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Hey Jesse,

Thanks for your reply. You have a better knowledge of Greek than I do, what I see is today, the Greek word , smeron, meaning today, this day, this very day. I think the word today is correct it is how we read the sentence and how it fits with what the thief said and when will he be in paradise, and if paradise is part of Hades or the new earth when it is all fulfilled.

Heb. 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: What do we understand the meaning to die/death? Platonism says it is a separation of the soul from the body and the souls go to Hades. If the soul is immortal what is appointed to die?

Luke 16:19-31. Was this a real story or is this a parable He told to people mainly the Pharisees? If we take it as reality, they were judged at death because Lazarus went to Abraham's bosom, and the rich man went to a fiery place of torture. Does scripture support that? Dan. 12:2 Matt. 25:31-34 John 5:28-29 Rev. 20:11-15.

The rich man was aware of where he was and talking and seems they have a body, asking for Lazarus to wet his finger and cool his tongue. Does scripture say we are awake in death? Job 14:10-12 Ecc. 9:5-6. The context of this chapter is the love of money, and stewardship, Jesus was addressing this to the Pharisees, "No servant can serve two masters".

Eph. 4 I know some understand this to mean that when Jesus ascended into heaven, he led a host of captives who ascended into heaven with him. But in Acts 2:29-34 David is still in his grave and has not ascended, would David be left? John 3:13. Does this show Jesus ascended alone?

I will leave it there, I guess it comes down to if we believe our soul is immortal which influences how we understand the scripture. Just some other thoughts, like you said there are probably more understandings. Thanks again.

God bless,

RLW

Salvation; the gift, by god's grace

being saved and being born again are two completely different things.

romans 6:23 the wages of sin is death, the "gift" of god is eternal life through (the resurrection) of jesus christ.

jesus and all mankind died on the cross of passover, because jesus was raise from the dead; by the spirit of his father, death has passed over all mankind.

1 corinthians 15:22 as in adam all die, even so in christ (by his resurrection) shall all me made alive.

this happen 2000 years ago, yet man want believe god's word; mankind was saved from death by christ's resurrection, 2000 years ago: god's "gift" by the resurrection of christ.

salvation from death; has nothing to do with your works, it was given to you before your were even born: humble yourself before god.

isaiah 52:5 ...my name is continually ever day blasphemed.

my people; by that resurrection, you and christ together were made one: you were bonded; married to christ, a new creation, your the body in the marriage, christ is the life of that marriage.

philippians 2:13 for it is god "his life" that worketh in you "his body" both to will and to do his good pleasure.

by that resurrection you were married to christ: you now bear his name.

acts 2:38 "repent" ( of your false beliefs), and be ye baptised in the name of jesus.

revelation 3:12 ...and i will write upon him (my wife) my name ....

matthew 22:14 many "all" are called (to be save from death: the "gift" of god), few are chosen (to be judges) in the kingdom of god.

those born again by the word's of god, will be judges; on the earth, when christ subdues all under him: the kingdom of god.

1 peter 1:23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible seed, by the word of god, which liveth and abideth forever.

god word is truth and life, a kingdom.

god bless you!

Make no mistake, you are saved by obedience of the gospel, it is not just believing it.

Water Baptism is all through the new testament bible. Peter preached Acts 2:38. Again he was not in error.

Brother Chris,

Thank you for this information on the "last days." I agree with you that " Acts 2:17,18 is very applicable to the 'last days'."

There are two what are called "platform phrases" on which this message is built on. In Verse 17, it says "And it shall come to pass." In the Greek text it says "And it will be." And in Verse 21, it says "And it shall come to pass," and it's literally "And it will be!" Those would be the two platform verses!



So Verse 17 says and it will be in the last days. Now in Joel's prophecy ( Joel 2:28, 29), it just says afterward. Peter changed it to last days. What he is saying is that in Joel's prophecy, when he said after the judgments here, there will be another judgment day.



He meant now. So my understanding is that the theological or biblical definition of the "last days" begins here in Acts Chapter 2. From Acts Chapter 2 on, we've been in the last days for some 2,000 years.



In the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit. Twice now, he's going to say this. I'm going to pour out of my Spirit on all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophecy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

And then he says even on my servants and on my handmaidens, slaves, both male and female, I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: That is, speak the word of God!

Thanks again and God Bless!

Thanks Jimbob. "Last Days". 2 Timothy 3:1-4 would certainly apply to those days after the apostolic age - the days when his words would be realized. Since we're not given the years that these traits will be observed, we could safely assume that it was some time later. And certainly we can identify some of them (e.g. unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, lovers of pleasures, form of godliness, etc.) occurring well before our recent centuries. Therefore, I believe that Acts 2:17,18 is very applicable to the 'last days'.

Sorry, I can't take up the matter of 'sealing & the marriage supper' further, than what has already been presented. I can understand & appreciate your stance on them, and there is merit in what you write, but ultimately, it is what we understand the situation to be at the time that the Restrainer is taken away. Who He is & what are the resulting effects of His removal/departure can determine how we understand the other parts of this eschatological period.

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Thanks Jimbob. Briefly, referring to your points in these two pages.

a. Acts 2:17-20. If we note from verse 8, the peoples of surrounding nations heard these men speak in their languages, which they had not learned. Then Peter gave them his message: 'what you're hearing is God pouring out His Spirit on men, to which Joel spoke about"in the last days, I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh". This was the beginning of the Last Days & it has been ever since Jesus left this Earth & sent out His promised Spirit. And "they shall prophesy" as well. But the culmination of these Last Days is what you read in verses 19 & 20. And yes, the Comforter was promised to abide with us (the blood-bought Church) forever. But what happens when the Church is no longer here - and that "forever" day has arrived?

b. Ephesians 1:13 & Revelation 7:3,4 are not the same sealing, by virtue of that act & what is imparted. In the former, it is clearly the Holy Spirit Who seals the believer "Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory (v14)". He marks His Own, He is the "earnest of our inheritance" (Gk. arrabon = an advance part-payment guaranteeing our security), "until the redemption of the purchased possession" (the Holy Spirit remains in us & secures the believer until the redemptive work at the Cross is fully realized, i.e. Christ indeed fully paid the ransom for our redemption - but completed redemption is only realized until the body is returned back to our Redeemer: Romans 8:22,23).

In the Revelation 7:3,4 account, we are not told what the seal is & how it's applied; at least it seems to be a forehead mark (the Lord's imprint, unlike the false Christ's signature). If one should read this mark to be the Holy Spirit on their foreheads or His indwelling that results in an outward marking, then I have no other comment. All I can glean is that the world is now devoid of the Spirit's Presence & Work.

Did anyone watch the Asbury outpouring/revival in Kentucky? I saw many people receive the Holy Ghost w utterance. I sure did. The utterance most certainly is real. You will then walk in Gods power.

The men were preaching Acts 2:38. These were the men surrounded by groups of people outside, preaching them the gospel & the people were hungry for Gods truth. They are feeding the hungry for the Holy Ghost.

I pray that people open their minds & hearts to this truth. If you do not want this truth then it will be hidden from you.

There are so many false preachers out there, & they are the ones on the radio & on the tv, & most people are believing these false teaching.

No one can live for the Lord without the Holy Ghost.

Crucify the flesh daily.

If you want more truth, then fast & pray.

Bible says that we must know who God is & obey the gospel to be saved

We must always be seeking more. Never stop.

Hello, let's compare scripture with what I understand you to be saying. Please correct me if I am wrong in understanding your position.

God: "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23 KJV

You: It sounds like... you don't "need" or "want" God's grace and may not even need to follow Christ (be a Christian)? "In regards to "having a free get out of hell card", it appears you are assuming Alex and others who believe as we do, want one or even need one. "

God: "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:" Matthew 7:13 KJV

You: "salvation is all inclusive." It sounds like you're ignoring God or calling Him dishonest when He says that most will go to hell, that salvation is intended for everyone but most will not choose to follow Jesus and thus will go to hell. Acts 4:12

God: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 KJV

You: It sounds like you don't believe what the Bible says or don't believe God, because there is a risk of everyone going to hell. Someone must make a choice and "believe" as it says above. How someone can ignore this obvious verse I do not yet understand.

God: "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:38 KJV

You: It sounds like you ignore the above command, that you DON'T need to repent or do anything, and that you don't even need to be forgiven? Because you assume you're already saved regardless of your actions and will be in heaven with Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and the worlds worst mass murderers dining and hanging out with them?

Do you consider yourself a Christian and can you please share what criteria you followed to believe you are one?

God bless.

In Acts 10, read what the Lord told Peter when he was on the rooftop in a vision. It was not about water baptism. And we know it was not about food.

Acts 10:17, " Now while peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate",

V18, " And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there."

V19, "While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee".

V20, "Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing:for I have sent them".

V21, "Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ya are come?"

V22, " And they said, Cornelius the centurion, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear the words of thee."

I do not see anywhere in the bible where the Lord was upset at Peter speaking or preaching water baptism.

Show me.

Also, the Lord gave Peter the keys to the kingdom in Matthew 16:19,

"And I will give unto thee the keys to the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven". Peter preached Acts 2:38 & he was not in error doing so.

Dc730banks;

The Spirit of the Father raised Christ from the dead on a Friday the sixth day of the week, and Christ rested the seventh day, he had finished all the works of the Father. The women didn't come to the tomb until the first day of the week, because they also rested the seventh day, they found the tomb empty, he was already resurrected: according to scripture on Friday the sixth day, he died and was buried Wednesday BEFORE sundown; that is the first day and night in the grave, Thursday and night, 2 days and nights in the grave: Friday and night, 3 days in the grave, The Father raised him sometime after sundown on Friday.

We share that rest, we were resurrected with Christ, we too cease from our works, the WORKS of Christ are COMPLETE and HIS WORDS BEING FULFILLED made us complete in our being raised with Christ, Christ is the RESURRECTION.

Look at all the scriptures that prophesy this.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he HIM (him not them), male and female created he THEM (they became one).

Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them, and he called THEIR NAME ADAM ( the bride always takes the name of her husband), in the day they were created.

Genesis 1:31 ...and the evening and morning were the sixth day.

This creation wasn't possible until the RESURRECTION.

The first man was made of the dust; and the blood was the LIFE, the second man was raised IMMORTAL and LIFE was CHRIST (the spirit of OUR FATHER).

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth they spirit: They are CREATED (Christ and man, RESURRECTED to a new creation): thou renewest the face of the earth.

Acts 2:38 And be ye BAPTISED in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST ...

The bride always takes THE NAME of her HUSBAND.

Have you come to this TRUTH.

God Bless YOU!

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Yeshua is the Hebrew name, and its English spelling is "Joshua." Iesous is the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew name, and its English spelling is "Jesus." Thus, the names "Joshua" and "Jesus" are essentially the same; both are English pronunciations of the Hebrew and Greek names for our Lord. (For examples of how the two names are interchangeable, see Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8 in the KJV. In both cases, the word Jesus refers to the Old Testament character Joshua.

As for the controversy over the letter J, it is much ado about nothing. It is true that the languages in which the Bible was written had no letter J. But that doesn't mean the Bible never refers to "Jerusalem" or "Judah." And it doesn't mean we cannot use the spelling "Jesus." If a person speaks and reads English, it is acceptable for him to spell things in an English fashion. Spellings can change even within a language: Americans write "Savior," while the British write "Saviour." The addition of a u (or its subtraction, depending on your point of view) has nothing to do with whom we're talking about. Jesus is the Savior, and He is the Saviour. Jesus and Yeshuah and Iesus are all referring to the same Person.

We refer to Him as "Jesus" because, as English-speaking people, we know of Him through English translations of the Greek New Testament. Scripture does not value one language over another, and it gives no indication that we must resort to Hebrew when addressing the Lord. The command is to "call on the name of the Lord," with the promise that we "shall be saved" ( Acts 2:21; Joel 2:32). Whether we call on Him in English, Korean, Hindi, or Hebrew, the result is the same: the Lord is salvation.

Acts 11,

Acts 11:2 Peter, was come up to Jerusalem._._. Acts 11:13, the man in Joppa, sent men to call for Peter, it doesn't seem to mention the name of the man, nor the other men Peter ministered to. Acts 11:17, Peter talking explained the Gentile was also given the Holy Spirit & Salvation, not just Jewish people. Galatians 3:28, Romans 1:16,

Luke 24, Peter was one of the 1st witnesses to see the empty

tomb. Luke 24:12, John 21, Jesus meets with Peter after resurrection again & tells him If you love Me feed My lambs.

Acts 2, shows Peter speak boldly in front of thousands Acts 2:14-47,

Hopefully these are helpful

More on this heresy (Man becoming God)

Part 2 and final.

The attributes of God. While the scriptures teach that God's people are to progressively become more Godlike in character, they do not teach that they will or can become God in the essential traits and elements which constitute deity. God is self-existent ( Jn. 5: 26), enjoys eternality ( Rom. 1: 20), has unlimited power ( Matt. 19: 26), infinite knowledge ( Acts 2: 23, 15: 18), absolute holiness, and truthfulness ( I Jn. 1: 5, Heb. 6: 18). Moreover, God has creative power ( Rom. 11: 36). To teach graduated Godhead, there must of necessity be the attendant teaching of polytheism or many gods. Again, we quote Joseph Smith:

"Hence, the doctrine of a plurality of Gods is as prominent in the Bible as any other doctrine. It is all over the face of the Bible . . . Paul says there are Gods many and Lords many . . . but to us there is but one God--that is pertaining to us; and he is in all and through all" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, page 474). "In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5).

Beloved, the scriptures teach and affirm there is only one God ( Deut. 4: 35-39). The state of Godhead, being God, consists of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit ( Rom. 1: 7, Heb. 1: 8, Acts 5: 4, 5). God declared: "that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me" ( Isa. 43: 10). Before God, there was no God. After God there shall be no God formed. Hence, man cannot so develop and graduate as to become God himself.

AGAIN!

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, NEITHER SHALL THERE BE AFTER ME.

NETHER SHALL THERE BE AFTER ME!

GOD BLESS.

Hi Star,

It doesn't say we have to "read, in the name of" but when we pray, receive a child, or when people are being baptized,

Jesus name is the principal thing. Matthew 18:5,20, Mark 9:37,39,41,48, Mark 16:15-18, John 14:13,14,26, John 15, John 16:23-28,

Hopefully this is helpful

Hello Fredscanlan

My church believes in receiving literally the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ in Communion, too.

Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:23-33 talks about the Holly Communion. In verse 27 he says, "Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.". Also in verse 29, " For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body." If the bread and wine were just symbols nothing would happen when one receives them when having a sin, exactly because they are symbols (you can not sin against symbols). But exactly because they are not symbols but they are literally the Body and Blood of Jesus when one receives inside them Holly things when they are unclean, then damnation awaits for them.

How does the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. The answer is by faith, no transformation of matter takes place(i.e. like the Catholics say), they are the Blood and Body of Christ by faith.

When should the church take communion? Many take Communion every 2-3 months or once a year, etc, etc. Although in the ancient Jewish church it seems that believers were receving the Communion everyday ( Acts 2:46), (although there is a dispute whether the specific verse talks about meals or communion), Paul in Acts 20:7 says, "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." Paul uses a definite article "the", not an "a" (it is more clear in greek). In modern English it would be: on Sunday, not on a Sunday. So it is every Sunday. Every Sunday believers must take care of themselves to repent for anything they have done during the past week and ask for forgiveness and then have Holly Communion and start the new week nice and clean. GBU

Hi Susanella,

I like to flip the question and ask why would a Christ-follower not want to follow Christ? Are there any legitimate reasons not to be baptized in water?

Jesus said this:

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:16 KJV

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matthew 28:19 KJV

Some Christians I encounter seem quite satisfied and maybe even relieved on their assumption that they don't need to be immersed in water anymore. But is that really what Jesus said and meant?

"John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost." Acts 11:16 KJV

Baptism with the Holy Ghost doesn't necessarily mean without water. It seems Jesus indicates the baptism before Jesus arrived was not with the Holy Ghost. And it's noteworthy that even though Jesus was now there, He still was baptized in water! It was so important that even Jesus did it Himself as an example to follow. And then they continued baptizing in water after Jesus left. I see no verse anywhere saying for everyone to stop baptizing in water.

Some are motivated to not be baptized for personal reasons, not for reasons of obedience as a Christ-follower. But it doesn't matter what man thinks, but what God says and He already said to be baptized. So, if following Jesus is important to someone I think that following what Jesus says is important.

Other Christians echoed this about water baptism after Jesus left too, like Paul in Acts 2:38.

It would be brazen to ignore such a clear and obvious command. Others seem confident and willing to gamble on this that they're interpreting it correctly. But obeying involves no risk and no downside, but disobeying and seeing how much one can get away with not doing seems risky. No one is claiming that act itself saves, but deliberately disobeying God while also claiming to follow Him seems questionable.

Please read these: Mark 16:16, context Mark 16:14-20, Mark 1:8, context Mark 1, Matthew 3:11, in context Matthew 3, Matthew 28:18,19-20, Luke 3:16,21,

Acts 1:21-22, Acts 2:38,

Acts 16:19-34, Romans 6, 1Corinthians 12, 1Corinthians 12:13, Colossians 2:10-15, 1Peter 3, 1Peter 3:21,22

James 1:5,

Matthew 7, Matthew 25:31-46,

Hopefully these are helpful

Thanks Brother Spencer,

I was not intending to create contention. I just don't agree with Acts 2:38 being the New Testament salvation message. Teaching that water baptism is necessary for salvation and that it has to be in Jesus' name only does not line up with scripture. Paul never taught that. Paul had a much different salvation message.

I have stated my position on water baptism in the past. I do believe water baptism is important, but it comes after salvation, not as a requirement for salvation. In Acts 10:44-48, the Holy Spirit was given before they were water baptized.

Water baptism is a testimony of our salvation and shows our identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection.

In 1 Corinthians 15:1-2, Paul speaks of the gospel that saves.

It is true what you say that "One verse does not make a doctrine," and yet there is a certain group where a majority of their teachings and doctrine center on one single verse ( Acts 2:38).

The epistles were written to the people that came from the book of Acts. They were the people that were water baptized in Jesus name & received the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38 is the gospel. It is the New Testament salvation message.

Therefore Ephesians 1:13-14 is not written to the world, nor to the sinner UNTIL YOU HAVE OBEYED THE GOSPEL MESSAGE. It is written to the saints that obeyed this gospel.

We must first read the 4 gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke & John then read the entire book of Acts. Acts is where the church was born.

So many people say they have the Holy Ghost & they do not. So many people think they are saved & sadly, they are not. Who is teaching you? Who are you listening to?

The epistles from Romans thru Jude are to be followed once you have obeyed the salvation Acts 2:38.

You do not receive the Holy Ghost once you believe. It took me close to 3 years to receive the Holy Ghost & with the utterance.

Acts 19, "He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, we have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost".

Do not jump into the epistles until you have read the beginning of each chapter. The epistles {letters} are written to the born again churches. Written to the saints. They obeyed the gospel which is the death, burial & resurrection of Jesus Christ.

For example many people preach John 3:16, however you must read the very beginning of John 3 before John 3:16. One verse does not make a doctrine.

Pray that we will not be deceived. False doctrine is out there.

Pray for discernment.

Psalm 139:8 makes it clear that everywhere; including hell God's presence is there. God; however depending on the state of an individual our soul has a different experience. With David; in old times sheol was the place of comfort as well as torment (see Luke 16:19-31). After captivity was made cptive (i.e. souls of the righteous were brought out after the Resurrection ( Psalm 68:18) then "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord ( 2 Cor. 5:6). Therefore; we saw some of the saints come out of their graves after Christ's Resurrection (sort of the "first of the firstfruits").

God cannot look onto sin ( Matt. 27:45-46). Christ was the "sin bearer" who took on our sins (see Isaiah 53; Numbers 21:8). This explains the Godhead in some sense; as if all of the Godhead died at the crucifixion the whole universe would cease to exist. Jesus; however overcame death as it could not hold Him ( Acts 2:24). When He said "it is finished" and died then the work was done ( John 19:30). The rest of the time He was declaring victory to all (including unregenerate lost souls and demons bound in the underworld) in 1 Peter 3:18-20 then He ascended back to the Father where He ever lives to intercede for us ( Heb. 7:25).

It is clear that every eye shall see Him ( Rev. 1:7); Rev. 5:13; Rev. 20 and Great White Throne Judgment). Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord ( Philippians 2:10-11 and also reflected in Isaiah 45:23. During the Tribulation men also will be actively cursing God and Antichrist Himself will blaspheme Him as well as those who dwell in heaven ( Rev. 6:15; Revelation 13). It is clear that everyone will know about God and Christ by the sixth seal but it won't do those any good who have not been regenerated. It is only in those God chooses to reveal Himself through the Son that come to know Him ( Matt. 11:27 and see much of Gospel of John including some of my commentaries on Predestination). Also see Psalm 19; ROmans 1

Matthew 28:19 is true but we must read the words "IN THE NAME OF". That name is Jesus.

Just like Acts 2:38 speaks on. Amen

In the book of Acts is where they were born again. Jesus said water & Spirit. They were baptized in the name Of Jesus Christ and received the holy Ghost. Therefore Acts 2:38.

That is the gospel to be obeyed.

Matthew 28:19 & John 3:3-5 is fulfilled in Acts 2:38.

The epistles from Romans- Jude was not written to the world, not written to the sinner. It is written to the brethren.

To those that disagree, you need to ask the Lord for a revelation.

Believing in Christ is just the beginning. Amen

Jesus is the same yesterday; today and forever. That could be said of the entire Godhead.

Christ has the fullness of the Godhead bodily dwelling within as said in Colossians 2:9. The Spirit was in Him without measure ( John 3:34) and whoever has seen Him has seen the Father ( John 14:9). Nonetheless there is certainly a destinction in terms of roles with Christ being the sin bearer and the Father turning away when He bore our sins at Calvary ( Psalm 22:1). God cannot dwell in unrighteousness; and for that moment it was God's will for Jesus to be crushed ( Isaiah 53:5).

The Holy Spirit isn't given any distinctive appearance except in the beginning of the Gospels ( Luke 3:22 for example appearing like a dove); and with cloven tongues of fire at Pentecost ( Acts 2:3).

Revelation 3:21 indicates Christ overcoming all things; death could not hold Him ( Acts 2:24).

In some sense whether in the Preincarnate form or since His Resurrection He is both in the form of a man (the Man who is the second Adam as it were) who still bears the marks on His body being the first of the Firstfruits resurrected from the dead ( 1 Cor. 15:23) and of course beyond time as the Creator of all things ( Jn. 1:3 and several other verses) fully God. So there is distinction and unity with the "Trinity" as it were. When looking at His glory; we see the fullness of sight and sound (with mighty thunderings with His voice ( Ezekiel 3:12-13; and verses in Revelation; Psalms etc.) We should be aware as believers of our sinfulness (as the Spirit indicates in John 16:8) and we tremble at His presence. This is different than the reaction of the wicked who sense their destruction and love their sin more than God ( John 3:19). Nonetheless it seems that there are "revelations and visions" abounding; but few seem to describe that Holy fear of God of which is the beginning of understanding ( Psalm 111:10). Compare this with much music and preaching today that presents a sappy God without other attributes.

Hi Gigi.

I would like to draw attention to the meal offering Leviticus 23:17. Here we have the only place the two loaves is offered with LEAVENED bread. (Not Unleavened)

"Ye shall bring out of your habitations TWO wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; THEY SHALL BE BAKED WITH LEAVEN; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD."

Why is this important?

The two leavened loaves represent the two groups (Jews and Gentiles) out of which the Church is formed.

The message spread to both Jews and Gentiles (the two leavened loaves of bread), extending the harvest to us.

It prophesizes what is to be fulfilled on Pentecost.

This is what Luke is saying in Acts 2:1 "And (when the day of Pentecost was fully come,) they were all with one accord in one place. " When the day of Pentecost was fully come, means the fulfillment of that which was given in Leviticus.

Verse 16 of Leviticus says "Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.".. The new meal offering is the Church.

There are those who believe the Leaven mentioned here in verse 17 represents the Gentiles.

And there are those who believe the leaven is prophesized to be the false doctrine are the tares.

God bless.

Why is it that people do not read the beginning of the chapter 3 and obey what Jesus said? John 3:16 is true but we must read the beginning first. Especially John 3:3-7.

Sorry, but water baptism IS most certainly in the new testament. It is about water baptism AND being spirit filled w the Holy Ghost, as we live a holy life for Christ with love.

John 3:3-5 & Matthew 28:19 is fulfilled in Acts 2:38.

Bible Study for all of us; essential doctrine for Salvation:

Mark 16:16,17

Luke 24:47,48

John 3:1-6

Acts 2:38

1 Peter 3:21

Acts 19:1-6

Acts 10:44-48

Acts 5:32

1 Corinthians 14:2,22,39

Acts 2:4

Acts 1:8

John 21:15,16

Johnnie,

Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 19:1-12, Ephesians 4:5,

I think the main point is the outward living life, dead to the flesh ( selfishness, bad actions, etc. ) resurrection in the last days, is the goal. Mark 10:38, Luke 12:50, Colossians 2:12-14, 1Peter 3:18-22,

* Romans 6:3,4, please read all of Romans 6, chapter, Colossians 3:1-17,

John 12:23-36, Romans 8:13, Luke 14:27-33,

Hopefully these are helpful

If you have trouble understanding pray for wisdom: James 1:5

-Every word stated at the top is important and i will add my summation to this. walking with God is a decision and that one has to make by knowing it's a commitment to followship with God.

But to start you need to repent of your sins then God will teach you his words and when He does don't Just listen but be a doer of the word.

-God the Holy Sprite Has said who is the man that fears the lord, came i will teach you the fear of the Lord. ( Psalm 25:12)

Acts 2:14-38

Peter replied, "Each of you must repent of your sins and turn to God and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Remember to

Read your bible

Pray without ceasing

Day and night search with all your heart mind and soul

Then you will find Him.

James 4:8 "Draw nigh(near) to God, and he will draw nigh to you..."

How do I draw near to God? By reading the Word of God, praying, attending a christian congregation and having fellowship with other believers. Acts 2:42, "And they(believers) continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."