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Plz do not be upset with me....But the man you are grooming with concordences and commentries and the Greek language and siminaries is not gonna make it...Our old adamic nature is the man that returns to his vomit and the sow that returns to her mud...Jesus tells us of man who is forgiven but walks thru dry places seeking rest but finds none then takes with him 7 other demons more wicked then himself and they enter in and the last state of that mans worse then the 1 st... MATT 12:45...Stay away from all carnal man made devices,bible schools, concordences. Siminaries...Rich preachers commentaries...Stick to the word of God the Anointing that is supposed to live with in you, is Christ living with in you....Examine your selves is Christ is living with you. 2 COR.13:5...If Christ is living in you need no man teach you...1 st John 2:27...The anointing you have living within you will teach you all things....you need no man teach you....A lil Child is gonna lead us in all truth...Which is the Anointing the H.G....Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my NAME RECEIVETH ME...Remember Jesus said that the H.G. will come in his NAME

.....You cannot groom satan ( our old adamic nature ) the flesh into the Kingdom of God...Its gotta be a completly new Creature via the seed of the sower the living word the new covenant in his blood....Not circumcision nor uncircumcision...but only a new Creature...Which is the H.G...Nothin availeth any thing in Christ Jesus but a new Creature the manchild...mankinds fruit unto God...Its gotta be That Christ in you doing the Teaching...Anything that man ( the flesh ) touches brakes out into a viper....Our flesh our carnal minds is the very enemy of God ROMANS 8...k

Thank you Chris for your comment. I think you have a lot of great points. I'm no scholar concerning eschatology, so some of this is my belief in what I read. I think the book of Revelation is not written in the normal chronological way the other books of the Bible are written. I see segments that are retold in a different way with additional details of an event. I do believe that Revelation 14 shows that the saints will be here for the event of the mark of the beast, and after that event, Jesus returns for the harvest. So, to me, everything up to and including the mark of the beast, the killing of the saints is part of the great tribulation. Then, in chapter 15, after Jesus has gathered His saints (in chapter 14) it says the 7 last plagues/God's wrath will take place. So to me, it's clear that the great tribulation and God's wrath are two different events. If you read all of Revelation 14 and 15 I think you'll see the same thing. I hope that explained where I am coming from? God bless.

Gigi, I'm not sure who is reviling you, I know that I did not. I simply asked you to be mindful of your words because of our new brothers and sisters in Christ or even non believers on this site that could see your statement that God's Word has errors through out. This could cause a new believer to stumble and fall, or a non believer to remain a non believer. As Christians we have a responsibility, especially mature Christians to not put a stumbling block in front of those that are weak in faith. I don't feel like you addressed my concern, you continued to argue your opinion that the KJV is littered with errors, then proceeded to make comments about people who only read the KJV, calling this "cult-like". I felt I was kind in my plea to you, but it seems I'm met with a refusal to curb your sharp words. I've seen some of the arguments you've been party to on this site, I don't plan to be a part of one. So, I'll accept your refusal. God Bless

G.M. H.G. Kingdom seekers...let me ramble a bit plz... 2 Cor. 13:5 Examine your selves whether ye be in the Faith.. is Christ living with in you...Did you birth a baby Christ in your heart...Are you with Child of the H.G. That Child of PROMISE...Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in..The manchild is gona rule all nations...Thats y the new birth is so important we have to birth a baby Christ...Whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth ME..The Kingdom cannot come unless he sows his good seed in our hearts...Thats y he has to know us..And also thats y he died when a seed dies it multiplies...smite the Shepard Zech. 13:7 kjv ( his death ) and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my hand to the lil ones...a baby Christ that is gonna be born in us... Rev. 12:5 Thats y the woman ( humanity ) has to birth the manchild...Which is her new heart and new spirit..The Kingdom...And she keeps the commandments simply b/c he that is born of God cannot sin..Thats her Child the H.G. that cannot sin b/c he is born of God in us via the seed of our lord Jesus.

.....Thats y Elijah has to come and turn the hearts of the fathers to the Children...His Children, Whosoever receiveth one such Child n MY NAME.

.....But if Christ lives in us we donot need other teachers....The Anointing you have received of him liveth with in you and he will teach you all things...1 st John 2:27...The Anointing is the H.G. the Child of PROMISE...The kingdom... Isaiah 11 Thats y Isaiah 11 is saying a lil Child is gona lead them which is the H.G. that Spirit of truth, that y Jesus said he cd not speak of himself simply b/c he has to be born in us...He is just an infant spirit...Infants cannot speak for season...Thats y Isaiah mentions the woman with Child and she that travails with Child a great company....I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven.. Jesus said that which is born of the spirit is spirit....Thats the Children of Promise. k

Yes STU , all Christians believe this . This does not mean however that Mary was sinless . Do you know how easy it is to sin ? Do you not realise that we all do it , every day ? Only Christ is sinless . The rest of us mere mortals are filthy creatures , including Mary . Some of us are less sinful than others but we all sin everyday . Read the book of James . He always makes me thoroughly ashamed of myself every time I read it .

Yes , even when the Word is true people still misunderstand it . I was talking to a neighbour just yesterday and for the first time he mentioned the Bible . I was so excited and my ears pricked up , he said : I was browsing my Bible last night and it's so full of contradictions ! I asked what they were and he said : what happened to Isaac ? One minute he's there the next God whisks him away ? I said I don't think you mean Isaac , maybe Enoch or Elijah , no no he said it was definately Isaac . I tried once more , very gently as I didn't want to discourage or push him away but he was adamant and then changed the subject . What could I do ? Even when it's all there in black and white ! I did say that his problem was that he was browsing through it , told him he needs to read it all etc , guess what he said ? He said ( he's 76 years old) oh I don't need to bother with all that really , I'm a catholic . I'm not joking :( . I shan't give up on him though , he's a sweet man , very kind and gentle , at least he showed some interest so maybe I can build on that at some point .

I'm confused , sorry , if it doesn't have the Greek or Hebrew meanings or words etc , what is it exactly ?

I do agree with you because I feel it , the Spirit of God makes me do the right thing . I'm tempted every day in so many ways but I mostly resist but only because I know in my heart what God expects of me and that He is with me guiding and watching me and getting me to do things that are right in His sight . I do also believe that Christ is physically coming back to set up God's Kingdom on earth . The Comforter is for us now , as we have to live in these kingdoms of men , to help us get through our trials and tribulations , Christ is physically coming back to earth , I am 1000 million per cent certain of that . In the mean time , I have the Holy Spirit , the Spirit of Truth , the Comforter with me , to cheer me up to keep me sane to show me how to be a better Christian . I feel this deep within me . I have not led an easy life ( who has?) , God has got me through it all with a smile on my face and joy in my heart , this smile and joy doesn't come from this world or the things of it , this world to me is dark and cold and vicious and dead , me ? I'm so happy every day , I see the blue sky and the clouds and feel the warm sun and hear the birds . I'm poor , disabled , living in pain , looking after relatives that are atheist and dying , I live in a drug riddled town and I just see God's goodness everywhere . His joy fills me as I'm waiting for His Son to return , as i know he will . Be thankful and joyful and patient , Christ is coming ! :) :) :) .

Hi again Jimbob, I just noticed your comment addressing Jesse & myself, & in particular to your references, Mark 13:13 & Matthew 24:13.

Both Jesse & I agreed with you that Strongs #5278 for 'endure' is correct. And that word is 'hupomeno'. However, the word 'endure' is not just a word on its own, but is qualified by the words, "that shall endure". Here, Jesse would give a better explanation of Greek grammar, but the word 'hupomeno' is no longer just an 'endurance' (which it certainly is), but in those verses, it changes to 'hypomeinas', to give the intended meaning by the writer. So, what you should be reading in the verses, is not just 'endurance to the end', but 'having endured to the end'; and this now gives our reading a different perspective. Where a cursory reading would imply 'one can only be saved if he endures to the end', a proper reading would assert the 'one who is saved will endure to the end'.

Leaving those verses aside & just thinking of an English example to give you (which is unrelated to the verses); if I said to you, as passenger in my car, 'a car is coming right behind me', or expressed it this way, 'a car is right behind me', I'm sure you would pick up on the nuance, exactly where the other car is positioned, apart from the look on my face. Even though 'coming' is understood as to where the car is approximately located, how I express its correct position helps you understand if we are in imminent danger of being hit.

Re: 1 Peter 1:7. Peter is writing to the strangers (Christian sojourners (of the diaspora) in Asia Minor), who were going through 'manifold temptations' for their faith - faithfully living in a pagan & hostile society; as also in 1 Peter 3:14-17. Also, the coming trials ( 1 Peter 4:12-19) upon them & Christians throughout the world generally. Their faith was already on test, not just prior to Christ's coming, but having come through their present & future trials, their victory would be to their credit & Christ's recognition. GBU.

How many people know what John chapter 14 is saying?

He was talking to his generation, Jesus was talking about after the resurrection, like the day of Pentecost. 2000 years ago Jesus has been coming to everyone that invites Him into their lives.

Jesus is coming to you as the Comforter, as the Holy Spirit. He was God in the flesh, an individual to be the perfect sacrifice for sin on the cross, and then come back in spirit form to dwell in you! You are God's (Dwelling Place in Greek for mansion) You are the temple that he's building. Read these scriptures again

John 14:16-21

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Luke 17:20,21 I dare you to read these scriptures

Jesus is saying I'm going to dwell in you and I'm going to reach the world through you.

Don't separate Jesus from God or the Holy Spirit, they are one spirit and he is risen in you! So stop waiting for Jesus, stop waiting for heaven, Heaven is spirit! what is spirit? It's the fruit of the spirit, Love Joy Peace and a sound mind! Who's mind? The mind of Christ! Jesus Said I have no place to lay my head! Put on the mind of Christ! You can have heaven right hear right now while hell breaks lose all around you, God didn't give you the spirit of fear but of love joy peace it's Jesus! Christ In You! that's the mystery of your salvation.

And Tammy,

For someone to degrade a translation other than the KJV (that a believer may have actually used for many decades of their life) may cause such a person to think that the Bible is not reliable also.

My point is that there are a number of very reliable and acceptable translations available today, the KJV is one of them but not necessarily exclusively "the inspired" version. I can recommends the ESV or the NASB and the NIV, not because I think they are absolutely error-free, just as I don't think the KJV is error-free, but because they are 99.9% faithful to the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts currently available from which they translated into English.

With any translation from one language to another, there will be something lost in the language translated to. English is not as precise as the Greek nor as rich as the Hebrew. One word in English can refer to many things: for example, "meet" can mean getting together with another person (a verb) or a track competition (a noun) or can mean to satisfy a requirement or payment. Also it can mean to come to a compromise as in" meet in the middle". So, in this way, English is not as exacting as Greek.

So, I would hope that we can grant each other the grace to use whatever translation one chooses without being reviled for doing so. That is the real problem with this discussion.

Yes Tammy, my question was a lead question as to how then should we define the Great Tribulation? In the comment I referred to, you asked, "a question for those that side on the pre-tribulation rapture point of view". When I read your questions there, I sensed that the problem we have, lies in our understanding of what the Great Tribulation is & entails. I would think that those who subscribe to a post-trib rapture position, probably believe that the Great Tribulation involves both an extensive & more intense series of sufferings that might come upon all (i.e. the Church & others on the Earth). And to those who subscribe to a pre-trib postion, probably believe that the Great Tribulation IS the time of God's Wrath upon the Earth.

I'm aware that a few who have written on this & hold to the post-trib position, understand that God's Wrath is only poured out at the latter part, i.e. a post-trib suffering only to the unbelievers. But I ask, can it be that God's Wrath poured out is actually seen in the Great Tribulation? When we look at those explicit passages in Revelation chapters 6 to 11 (specifically on the heavenly appointed judgements, shown as the Seal, Trumpet, & Bowl Judgements), how should we understand this narrative given to us? If in the post-trib position, these judgements probably happen in very quick succession as part of God's Wrath (post-tribulation). If in the pre-trib camp, then these judgements happen over a period of time, even during anti-Christ's reign, & culminating at the final outpouring of God's Wrath, after which Jesus returns for the battle at Megiddo.

The reasons that I believe that Revelation 6 to 11 declare God's Wrath, rather than a much later time, is due to the nature of the sufferings, the origin of those calamities, & Revelation 6:17 itself declares, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" These calamities appear to me as much greater than what we today have seen in history past or are seeing now.

Dear Tammy C.

I understand your concerns, but I am not casting aspersions on the KJV any more than on other translations. Historically, there have been scribal errors in the copies that still exist for use for translation from Greek and Hebrew. The task of translators has been to look at multiple text to determine what was most likely the original words used when they came across what seemed like a scribal error. This was done both in translating the KJV and other translations. Since 1611 many more documents that are older than the Received Text have been found that have been used for translations since 1611.

I am not disparaging the KJV. however those who hold to a King James Only position disparage other translations and assume that the translators had evil intentions to corrupt the Bible and also disparage and speak wickedly of those who do not agree with them concerning the KJV.

So, while I never want to confuse nor cause any believer to doubt the Scriptures or their faith, disagreeing with one who holds to King James Onlyism does not do that any more than the one who disparages other translations than the KJV or believers wh do not adhere to their King James Only viewpoint.

In the response I made to Jimbob, the Scripture he cited as his "proof" that the KJV is pure, perfect and inspired by God does not say anything about any translation of the original words of Scripture that were inspired, KJV included. But obviously, my disagreement with King James Onlyism strikes a nerve here, showing that the problem does not lie with me, but in those who hold to a cultlike dogma concerning the KJV. I do not apologize for anything I have said to Jimbob or you. Like Jimbob and you, I am entitled to my viewpoint here, so let's respect that for one another.

GiGi, please take into consideration other people's faith. Your opinion on the KJV, having errors through out, could cause a new Christian to stumble. You do have the right to say whatever you want, but as a Christian, you have a responsibility.

I will say, in defense of God's Word, that God is quite capable of sending His Holy Spirit down upon the KJV translators, to ensure His Holy Word to be Perfect and True. And, it is perfect and true.

God Bless

GiGi I'm sorry I just found this comment. I'm not sure if you want me to comment on it or not so this will be very short. I believe if God was in control of the KJB being translated then whatever they used for the translation was exactly what was meant for them to use. Thats what makes it Inspired by God. God Bless you GiGi.

GiGi Thank you for that, it sounded from your comment like the Niv had a Concordance like the Strong's Concordance that shows the meaning of all the words in the Hebrew and Greek language, that's in perfect alignment with the KJB. I will be respectful GiGi, our conversation about this is over. All we can do is show what we see as the Truth in Scripture, everyone has their own mind to believe what they want to, right GiGi. God Bless you.

Jesse and Chris. This is what I get from ( Mk. 13:13) and ( Mt. 13:13) the word (endure) is #5278; it means to stay under (behind) i.e. remain fig. to undergo, i.e. bear (trials) have fortitude, persevere, abide, endure, (take) patient (-ly) suffer, tarry behind. That word (endure) has the same meaning as the word (suffer) in ( 2 Tim. 11-12) v12 "If we (suffer), we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us". Also if we look at what's going on in that part of the Chapters we see in ( Mt. 24:8, 13) The beginning of sorrows started 5 verses before "But he that shall (endure) unto the end, the same shall be saved". In ( Mk. 13:13) The beginning of sorrows started 5 verses before "And ye shall be hated of all men for my names sake: but he that shall (endure) unto the end, the same shall be saved". ( 1 Pet. 1:7) Tells us "That the (trial) of your faith being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be (tried) with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ". The word (trial) is #1383; it means a testing, trustworthiness, trying, test. The word (tried) is #1381; it means to test, by implying to approve, examine, try. (This verse tells us our faith will be tested before the appearing of Jesus Christ) In ( 1 Pet. 4:12-13) Tells us "Beloved, think it not strange concerning the (fiery trial) which is to try you, as some strange thing happened unto you. v13 "But rejoice as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings: that when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. The words (fiery trial) is #4451; it means calamity as a test. In ( Ps. 11:4-5) The words (try) and (trieth) in these verses have the same meaning #974 they mean to test, to investigate, examine, try, trial. And then we have ( 2 Thess. 2:3) Tells us there will be a (falling away) first. The word (falling) is # 646; it means deflection from truth, (writing of divorcement) Plese read this more than 1 time. Blessings

Jimbob, since the Great Bible and the Bishop's Bible are not the KJV (which you state is the only inspired and perfect version) and these were used to translate the KJV, then I would deduce that the KJV translators used corrupted versions in developing its translation. But, this topic is not one that I find to be vital to my faith. I have several translations I can use to check between them with KJV being one of them. I find all of them helpful.

Jimbob,

This NIV concordance is not a Strong's. It is a simple concordance without the Greek or Hebrew.

Yes STU,

Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit and the Father. The Son willingly entered Mary's womb to take on a human nature. Mary was a virgin at this time and remained so while pregnant. This is what is said in the Gospels of Luke and Matthew.

Jimbob,

I have stated my ideas on this and do not concur with you concerning the KJV vs. other translations. So, I will exit this conversation at this point.

Jesse there are many Christians today who have no idea the Word of God is Alive today. God is in control of His Word being preserved for the Lastdays, He is the judge of ALL people. God decides where and when in history all souls are born into this world. I honestly believe everybody alive today are on this earth right now because God wanted them to be here right now. He chooses when a soul is born, and where. Those who were alive back then will be judged with righteous judgement just like you and I will be judged righteously. Look at how much the population has exploded in the last 100 or so years? God is in control of that as we are now living in the time of the Lastdays. To think our God is in control of so much today, and then to doubt that He would preserve His true Words for this time period which is prophesied in His Word to be major deception with false prophets, and doctrine that's not sound doctrine. I honestly do not see that from our God. There is much deception today Jesse, I know you can see that because its everywhere, and in almost everything. Then if we just look at the verses in the Bible that tell us God preserved His Words for ever, and that prophets have (perverted) or (changed the words) of the living God. Verses that warn against adding too or taking away from His Words. All modern versions add to and take away. The Strongs Concordance is like a second witness in the languages to give us a deeper meaning of the words in the Original languages. The KJB is most important to have today, but using a Strongs Concordance with it is very, very helpful in deeper studies. Truth matters. God Bless Jesse.

GiGi You said its (most likely) the KJB has errors also, you also said the translators of the KJB (supposedly) used corrupt English versions when creating the KJB. I say the Words of God should speak for themselves GiGi. To say "most likely" and "supposedly" doesn't sound like you are very confident in those statements. I will say again GiGi I am 100% confident the KJB is the Inspired Words of the LORD. The King James Bible is a translation which was Inspired by God. All modern versions are just that , they are (versions). You say you don't read anything in ( Ps. 12:6-7) that singles out the KJB as the only true Bible. This is two verses. Lets take a deeper look at these two verses? ( Ps. 12:6) Clearly tells us the subject is "The words of the LORD" Those words are (pure) words. The word (pure) again is #2889; it means sound, unadulterated, uncontaminated. In v6 we are also told "as silver tried in a furnace of earth, ((purified seven times)) What do you think the (seven times) means GiGi? Words are not meaningless in the Word of God, Every Word has meaning. A (time) in the Bible is 1 year, (examples in ( Dan. 12:7) and ( Rev. 12:14) So being purified (seven times) means it was purified 7 years, remember the subject in this verse is ((the Words of the LORD)). The King James Bible took 7 years to finish its translation. The Words of the LORD were purified 7 times, 7 years. Now ( Ps. 12:7) "Thou shalt (keep) them, O LORD, thou shalt (preserve) them from this generation for ever. The subject is still the Words of the LORD! The word (keep) is #8104; it means to hedge about (as with thorns) i.e. guard, to protect. The word (preserve) is #5341; it means to guard, (to protect, maintain, obey). This verse tells us the Words of the LORD are hedged about (as with thorns) guarded, protected, maintained FOR EVER. GiGi this is only two verses. I hope you can read more into Ps. 12:6-7 after reading this GiGi. I am 100% sure the KJB is the Inspired Word of God. God Bless you.

GiGi I'm not doubting your word but the Niv has changed their own words so many times there is no way they can be in alignment with the Hebrew and Greek languages. How can they possibly have a Strongs Concordance that takes (all the words) in their bibles back to the Original languages of Hebrew and Greek so we get the True meaning of the words? Are you sure you have a Strongs Concordance for the Niv?

In Christianity, Mary is commonly referred to as the Virgin Mary, by the belief that the Holy Spirit impregnated her, thereby conceiving her first-born son Jesus miraculously, without sexual relations.

Yes, Mishael,

Whatever our need is, God is the one to satisfy it. Hallelujah!

Well Ronald

I am 66 and so I know that I may have 20 years left before I get to join all of the saints already with Him. But if He comes back before then, all the better.

Hi GiGi,

Hope you and your husband are well, thanks for your reply, I agree Jesus will return bodily not as a spirit, the glorified body in which He was resurrected, as we will be resurrected, Phil. 3:20-21. This mortal must put on immortality, our spiritual body,

1 Cor. 15:44-53.

I know it will be amazing to see Him face to face and as we see in Revelation 21:22-23 the new Jerusalem on the new earth will not have a temple and no need for the sun or moon for light, for God and the Lamb/Jesus will be the temple and the light. John 17:5 I don't know if our minds can even imagine what that glory is, or what it looks like, but we will know when we see Him.

I wanna be there, don't you?

God bless,

RLW

Hello little pebbles,

In Number chapter 1 the Levites were not counted when the men of Israel was numbered as God had instructed as they were set apart for service to God for the care of the tabernacle and all the services they were to perform as priests. They were set apart for this work, and so they did not have to tithe as the other tribes were expected to do. Numbers chapter 3 and 4 tell us about the responsibilities of each group of Levites.

This was also spoken of in Exodus chapter 13, I believe, when speaking of the consecration of the firstborn of every family. The Levites were set aside to fulfill this command of the consecration of every firstborn. Instead of having every first born be given unto the Lord, the Levites took the place of the first born. The parents of the firstborn would then give to the Levites what the Lord commanded as compensation for the Levites ALL being consecrated to God for life in lieu of every firstborn.

In this way, the Levites belonged to God in a special way because they were to perform all of the priestly duties before God.

Does this help you?

Are you the same Mishael from last year ? I think a lot of people have been wondering about you and hoping that you are ok . Me included !