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Study of Ez.47-1 "North South divide"

Prophet Zechariah refers to in that day' to the day of regeneration where the apostles shall judge the 12 tribes. The throne of glory is set in relation to his 'footstool', "when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."(Matt.19:28) This judgement we shall see in the measurement the angel uses, "a measuring reed of six cubits long by the cubit"(Ez.40:5) The same measure applies to the idol of the nations."Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits."(Dan.2:5). On the other hand in the case of St John it was a single measurement man-angel where the man and his angel in Christ served as one unit. "and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day."(Is.2:11)."Therefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob, because they be replenished from the east, and are soothsayers like the Philistines, and they please themselves in the children of strangers."(Is.2:8-11)

North indicates judgement. Jeremiah also refers to 'in that day' which is different from what Prophet Zechariah predicted. It is not to cleanse them but to make a distinction between what is holy and what is not. The holy city of God is holy and the footstool is not. "And it shall come to pass at that day,"and "I will give my sentence against them".(Je.4:9-12) "At that time shall it be said to this people and to Jerusalem, A dry wind of the high places in the wilderness toward the daughter of my people, not to fan, nor to cleanse,/Even a full wind from those places shall come unto me: now also will I give sentence against them."

The term 'idols" we need see as a tag overarching from Mount Sinai to the end times. The golden calf was in the hearts of nations,- and Israel like Rachel had by stealth carried it along. (Ge.31:34) Jeremiah continues, " For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate;

Study on Ez.47

"Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house." (Ez.47:1)

We have in the preceding chapters on laws and ordinances regarding the house of God in eternity different from the temple polluted by the apostate Israel. vv.2-5 we have "the man that had the line" proceeding with measuring. What does 4x1000 tell us? Compare with John's vision where the golden reed shows 12x100 furlongs. "The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal."(21:16) Ezekiel according to his Jewish sensitivities gives us the decalogue as base unit. The Word is tagged by command number Four.

In 44:5 we read thus, "And the Lord said unto me, Son of man, mark well, and behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears all that I say unto thee concerning all the ordinances of the house of the Lord."From thereon we have we have various ordinances which are not relevant at the moment.

The Spirit uses Afterward with direct reference to the measuring of the holy city of God.(Re.21:15-16) We need look at this vision from the tree of life being positioned on this side of the river where the throne of God and of the Lamb is situated. (Re.22:1). This water which flows from the threshold "And, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward" requires explanation. Threshold is set as the line connecting the two thrones" so the pure water of life ("a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb"), is implied here.

Further down in Ez.47 we are shown the living waters in its mighty course, "Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed."(47:8) There shall be a revival for them. Prophet Zechariah refers to in that day' to the day of regeneration where the apostles shall judge the 12 tribes.

Jaz, the same to you today. Your encouraging post cheers me.

Hey Jesse: Nevermind. I found them. God Bless :)

Goodmorning Jaz.

I hope you're having a blessed day as well.

1 Ti.4:1 "Sprit of the times"

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils."

Spirit of the times is spirit of doctrines which have a form of godliness but denying the power of God. Man having the gift of the gab gathers a following and such a one was Theudas was a populist leader, one who would have taken a bullet for democracy and he did gather a party. "For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to naught."(Ac.5:36) Judas followed and Acts of the Apostles tells, "After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed." Seducing spirits whip up doctrines and man shall take up to sow mischief and garner public support. The Spirit is still that of the devil. Nationalism is such. Jesus would have none of it. "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."( John 18:36) Yet what makes the churches still pursue it? They do not want to know word of God and the spiritual demand on their lives, it is a total surrender. Instead what does the spirit of times teach these Christians? "Never surrender." What do they care abou walking in faith and not by sight? What conspiracy theories they swallow and yet call themselves Christians. This is what makes worst specimens of human race pass for their champions, so they wage a cultural war for them. "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:/That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Hi Gigi , I just realised that my comment about the attributes of God being a popular thing to do , might be misinterpreted as a dig at you , I promise you that's not what I intended . I'm sorry if I made you feel that way .

Ez.47:13 "Two portions"

"Thus saith the LordGod; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions."

While we study of inheritance as mentioned in the Vision of Ezekiel strangers are also entitled to their portion. "And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel./And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the LordGod. (vv.22-23)

"The LORD is the portion of mine inheritance and of my cup: Thou maintainest my lot. The lines are fallen unto me in pleasant places; Yea, I have a goodly heritage. I will bless the LORD, who hath given me counsel: My reins also instruct me in the night seasons." (Ps.16:5-8) Here David is extolling the blessings of being hid in Christ. This heritage is in the light. In short God as my inheritance is different from the lot that is given to the mingled race in the vision.

Gill's exposition on this verse gives us this info. "Joseph shall have two "portions" for his two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, and in virtue of the birthright which fell to him on the forfeiture of it by Reuben; he was an eminent type of Christ, with whom the saints are joint heirs; and who has two portions, one for himself as Mediator, and another for them." Joseph is set as the double for Jesus Christ is counted as a heir above. "Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:/Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son." The dream of Joseph already indicated the role of his parents and his brethren in particular. (Ge.37:7-11)

I believe that the first Christians suffered a huge amount of persecution , especially those who converted from Judaism and of course the Romans were vile to the first Christians . I think that is why Paul urges Christians to pray to have sympathetic leaders in power , in order to minimise the troubles that the first Christians had to endure . That's just my opinion .

Yes , I sometimes forget that other sites are available , I've found a few interesting ones but I have noticed that even though they sound authorative , they often contradict each other , which is frustrating to me , so I just end up confused a lot of the time and I give up and just stick to reading the Bible mostly . I've noticed that there are quite a lot of sites that contain the attributes of God alphabetically . It seems like something that a lot of people do .

Dear Travis , reading the word of God is not a race . You can't and won't appreciate it all immediately and you certainly won't understand it all immediately .

Through the Bible , the Word of God , you are learning about God and drawing closer to Him . This is not going to happen overnight , the transformation of you into someone who is acceptable takes your whole life because the Bible , no matter how many times you read it or for how many years you read it , it always always always , has something new to show you . If you started reading it when you were ten and read it every day for the rest of your life and you were still alive at age 90 , it would still be showing you and teaching you something new . The Word of God is alive . Jesus says : let these Words sink down into your ears .

Don't treat it as if you were on your lunch break and it's a burger that you have to eat within a set time , before your lunch break is over . It's a life long banquet . You will be feeding off of it for the rest of your life . Take your time and savour it and when you have read the entire Bible through once , start again , and then...again , for the rest of your life . Get that seed planted firmly in your heart and then keep feeding it ! May God bless your efforts and may He grant you the patience you need to appreciate His Word , for the rest of your life .

No problems Momsage , it's easy to misunderstand and to be misunderstood on here , one of the perils of the internet . Hope you have a good day today .

Good morning Brothers and Sisters , I hope you all have a good day in Christ today . Whatever you are doing I hope it goes well for you .

Ez.48:35 "Inheritance" (2 of 2)

Firstly we shall consider the single measurement with which the holy city of God is measured. The volume of 144 is made up by abiding in Christ where Gospel has a tag of 12. 144,000 refers to eternity. The measurement as used in the vision of Ezekiel refers to the world of the flesh with Israel in particular so New Jerusalem is heavenly as distinct from Jerusalem on the earth. The angel tells Ezekiel and the wording is very significant. "And the man said unto me, Son of man, behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears, and set thine heart upon all that I shall shew thee; for to the intent that I might shew them unto thee art thou brought hither: declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel."(Ez.40:4) How well did the children of Israel pay attention it? "(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day." (Ps.11:8) "Unto this day" is relevant for us upon whom the ends of the world has come. Is it not shame to declare"I have seen the light Hallelujah and yet turn to fleshpots of Egypt. It is thus imposter church serves the politicians. "because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:/Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ."(2 Th.2:13-14). Instead the stupor surrounding the Evangelicals to look to some fraud pretending to be their saviour is all the more shameful. The foundation of God stands sure and God knows who are his.

Ez.48:35 "Name of the city" (1 of 2)

"And the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there."

The city that Ezekiel refers is to Zion ,"Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.

"(Ps.50:2). This is with particular reference to the day which the the Spirit has freely made use to give context to the fullness of God in Jesus Christ. Unto this day is one example with which heaven declares the birth of Jesus. "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord." ( Luke 2:11). Of the city of David angels testify as in the case of Ezekiel, "The Lord is there." We shall consider another example, and it relates to the servants of Isaac finding water. "We have found water./And he called it Shebah: therefore the name of the city is Beersheba unto this day." (Ge.26:32-33). These cities from where God hath shined are another name for Zion, with the restricted sense of blessings. Zion is the holy habitation of God "Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth,ismount Zion,onthe sides of the north, the city of the great King." This is set in heaven.(Ps.48:2)

From that day refers to the day decreed for the Son. Decree is concerning the everlasting covenant the Psalm speaks "I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." Begotten in the sense the Word which was God endows among his inheritance, "and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession."(2.6-8). What we read in the last line of the Book of Ezekiel is to that day signifying Jesus Christ has two aspects of beginning and the ending. Blessings of man in his Son sets him beyond his body formed of dust from the ground to the heavenly places to which Zion is pre-eminent.

These two days of Salvation and of Regeneration are set apart by two measurements for the world of the Spirit and for the world of the flesh respectively.

verses 12-18 are Very powerful

in this chapter

Am I a God at Hand

saith the Lord

and Not a God, far off..

Hello again friends,

Yesterday I had my abdominal ultrasound. I will receive the results when the radiologists looks at the scans. Please pray that th organs examined are all healthy: liver, gallbladder, spleen, pancreas, kidneys. Thank you so much.

Thank you, Jesse,

I appreciate your support and insight into that verse.

Hi Giannis,

No worries, I was in no rush. I was just hoping you might have been exposed to some of those diagrams. I have several of them in my Greek study materials. I wish I were able to post one so you could see what I was talking about but there is no way to do so here.

Thanks for sharing that information on the KJB translators. It does seem sort of odd to have no one of Greek nationality in the list of translators. What was King James' motivation in giving the English-speaking people a new bible? Perhaps it might have been political. I have read that he relied heavily on the Bishop's Bible as a base text, but wanted the KJB to be without the study notes that were in the margins of the Bishop's Bible because he felt that some of those notes challenged his authority. So, it could have been somewhat political. After reading through what the KJB translators had to say, it seems to me as though the KJB was more of a revision of those previous English bibles, not that they intended it to be the only pure English Bible to be trusted throughout the ages.

And yes, I think a discussion on what "God inspired" means would be a good discussion. As you are aware, the phrase "God inspired" is only one word in the Greek that has significant meaning.

Blessings to you also!

GiGi,

I also stand with you in prayer for President Biden. We are to pray for our leaders, even those whose policies we may not agree with. And yes, I also think that applying 2 Thessalonians 2:11 towards you is very degrading. It is a complete misapplication of that piece of scripture.

If we look at the verse right before this ( 2 Thessalonians 2:10), this shows that Verse 11 cannot and should not be applied to a true believer such as yourself. It says, "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."

So, in power, in signs, and lying wonder, and in all deceivableness of unrighteousness in (them that perish); In the Greek, this is a participle, which means those who are perishing, that is, those who have rejected Christ, they are the ones who will be deceived. They are the ones being spoken of in Verse 11. No way can this be applied to any true believer.

I want to share with you this one very important phrase:

"Because they received not the love of the truth,"

God gives people the love for the truth. If a person doesn't have the love for truth, they will not pursue it. When God gives you a passion, a drive, you will pursue it. You see, they didn't reject the truth, they rejected the love of the truth. They didn't want it. They were not interested so that they might be saved. So, they rejected it. They rejected the possibility of being saved.

It is a shame for anyone to apply 2 Thessalonians 2:11 toward another believer. Keep doing what you're doing, and may the Lord continue to bless you in every way!

Thanks again I greatly appreciate it.

I believe you're correct, most modern Bible translations would opt for the neuter gender, such as "My soul shall make ITS boast in the LORD", as it would align more accurately with those reading the Bible today.

As far as Acts 12:4, the accurate word from the Greek is 'pascha', or 'passover', and this word Young's Literal Translation uses. I don't know why the KJB translators opted for Easter. My sense is that since they were quite high ranked in the C of E, 'Easter' would be a more acceptable & appreciated replacement by the masses instead of using 'pascha'. May the Lord bless you in the study of His precious Word.

Dear Bennymkje,

It seems that you think that you know who knows God's will and who does not. I think that is a wrong attitude to have concerning what is happening in our world. Only God truly knows what will come about. We do need to study Scripture to discover how we are to prepare ourselves for the events that will occur at the end of times. Anyway, I think it is best to end this conversation because it seems to me to be degrading towards me. I think it is wise to pray for those who are in positions to lead others. That is a biblical thing to do obedience and that was my aim in beginning this thread. I did not and still do not wish to make it politically charged as you are doing here. So I'll simply not respond to you again on this thread.

Jaz, I agree that we cannot put our trust in a human because God is the only Savior and Sovereign we are to serve and worship. Yet we are told in Scripture to pray for those who are put over us in government. 1Tim 2:1-6 and this we should desire to do for it is for our good that God asks us to be prayerful in this way.

It was also put on my heart to pray for President Biden this week, too, but I sensed the need to wait until today. Now I can post a prayer for him, too. Now I know why.

I hope that there will be those here who will agree with me in prayer for President Biden today.

Dear Heavenly Father who chose me, Blessed Jesus who redeemed, Holy Spirit who leads me, today, We bring before You, God, President Biden asking You to bless him with spiritual awakening and a turning from wrong beliefs about You to the truth. We ask You to be made new in his inner man, causing him to choose You and your ways for the rest of his days. We pray that You will protect him from evil people who wish to use him for their purposes, but instead we ask You to use him for Your purposes.

We ask that President Biden will have a deep desire to learn from Your Holy Word and that his heart will be softened to the work of the Holy Spirit within him. We pray that Joe and Jill Biden will together make the best decisions in the days and months ahead that are not based on the forces of politics but based on what Your word says is right and just. Guide both in the way You would wish them to go, walking by the Spirit and not by the ways of the world.

We ask that people in President Biden's sphere will give him good counsel and direct him in ways that improve his leading of our country. Bless President Biden and his whole family with faith and wisdom that comes from Your grace and only glory to You. Give President Biden a passion to bring glory to You and to proclaim Your greatness to the world.

We ask these things of You, God, for President Biden, today. Amen.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I see what you mean, a word here and there won't change my mind that the Kjv is the most faithful. I wonder had it been translated today if that one would be different! Perhaps given the days we live in.

Same for Easter, had they been translating today and seeing what goes on it too may have been different.

Thanks again.

Gigi,

My last line answers your comment. We are living in the end times and may this verse shall help you understand what you are up against and by not understanding the will of God may be you are also part of the problem. " And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie." Prayerfully ask God know and understand what is His Will for you.

Dear Bennymkje,

I know you live outside of the U.S.A. and are free to have your own opinion of Trump just as much as anyone else. Let's just leave Trump in God's hands and will, exhibit charity towards Trump and faith in what God can and will do.

Dear Jaz,

I did not want to make this prayer political in any way, so I will just respond that I do know a lot about Trump and his past. But I know God much better and affirm that nothing is impossible for God, so I have much hope for Trump being transformed, even after 78 years. I prayed as God led me to pray for him. I have obeyed the lead of the holy Spirit. All is in God's hands.

Hello Jesse

Firstly sorry for my delayed answer.

No I don't know anything about grk word association diagrams. After reading your post I had a look on the net about them and found out that they'are about grammar and word syntax. Well I may have a more detailed look at them later, but not now since I am a bit busy for the time being.

Now if you don't mind I would like to say something about the KJB translation that makes me thinking about it. There is not a single greek scholar in the group of people that made that translation and to me this sounds a bit strange. Example, if I ever wanted to make a translation say of the OT I would primarily approach Hebrew people. But there is not a single greek name in those translators of the KJB. During that time there were very many of them in Europe. Especially after the fall of Constantinople to the Turks in 1453 AD. Almost all of them fleeded Greece going West. And their descendants flourished in Europe. Were there political reasons that king James didn't invite even a single one of them? Maybe religious reasons, since grks were from the Eastern Orthodox region of Christianity whereas the English were protestants? I don't know really, but it makes me a bit cautious.

And something else. Maybe sometime later on we should start a discussion about what it means "God inspired", because I think many people got it completely wrong. Anyway we will talk about it later on .GBU