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Remember, it's not just going through some formula to be saved from sin - salvation comes from a deep sorrow for your sin & your desire to turn away from such a life & finding forgiveness & a new life only through Jesus, God's Son. Read those verses given there & if you don't understand anything, please write again so that we can explain it to you. It is your full belief in what God has done for you that gives you salvation & NOT by what you can do for God. We can never do anything that could cause God to forgive us - He could only forgive us on His Terms & that is, His Son gave His Life in your place so you could be forgiven. Think deeply on these things & follow through with a true repentant heart before God. He will hear your cry to Him & He will forgive you.
John 6:37: "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." You can rest on that Promise directly from Jesus to you.
On Matthew 6:12 - why do you say debt and debtor and no longer trespass and trespasses? "Forgive us of our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us," has meaning and inspiration. It inspires someone (like me) to really think of what it means to keep holding onto bad thoughts or grudges against another while I am asking God to forgive me. How can I ask for forgiveness when I am not giving it? Trespass/trespasses causes me to open my heart and mind and to seek to love others as Christ loves me. Whereas, the words "debts and debtors" inspire me to think of monetary matters. As Jesus tells us "money is the root of all evil," I find myself dismayed and turned off by any Bible which has removed trespass and replaced it with debt. It is especially hurtful to see this happen in a King James Bible. I was holding out hope that with all the false teachings and false Bibles in the world today, the King James Bible would remain true to the word of God.
"no flesh will be saved?"
Are you now saved, or will you be saved? And how do you understand that all to come about?
Tithes were an ordinance for people of Israel. As a Christian, all you have is God's and how you "give/share" is what is from your heart.
"Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver." 2 Corinthians 9:7
"how can I get saved"
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 10:6-13
You "getting it" is between you and God. When you not only understand, but believe/fully trust he paid for all your sins, he makes himself known to you personally. The confidence that you will have in that relationship is something only you can say is sure. Nobody can tell you, you are saved, and when you are saved, nobody can take that reality away from you.
Give God a call, it's toll free for you, because Jesus paid it all.
Best regards, Peter
I agree, that 'fornication' is used quite often in the Bible, but when we examine the Scriptures referring to it, we would find that it doesn't always apply to how we understand it now, but can have several meanings & applications. There are references to Israel's spiritual fornication ( 2 Chronicles 21:11 & Ezekiel 16:26,29) & we know of the heathen's compulsion in this area associated with temple worship where temple prostitutes served to bring worshippers to a heightened experience of their god. A grievous sin indeed, but we shouldn't make this sin our focus because of its numerous references, as all sin, as seen in every book of the Bible, is as much sin as fornication is. But if fornication is made to be the cause of all sin, then we'll find that we have to alter the intent & meaning of relevant Scriptures to suit our belief & for this, thus you will have noticed the comments coming to you from us, to highlight this error.
Thank you Marilyn, for sharing a little of the background for your focus & insistence about fornication being the cause of sin.
From what you've shared, & maybe as a younger more nave lady, such a response from your Pastor would have truly shocked you as something unbelievable & abominably disgraceful. And that he added, "all men do that", surely must have applied to those who have that disposition & not to ALL men, including himself. Maybe you should have sought further clarification from him about what he just told you, but I guess you were in great distress & perplexity.
So armed with that revelation from him, you began your search in the Bible. Then with what you do know now (i.e. the truth), that such sins of o & a sex, are limited to those of homosexual disposition & not to heterosexual men (which are still in the majority, I hope), I'm left wondering why you still feel that from this type of sin all others are produced. In Sodom, this sin was clearly evident but so were many other sins (as in any country or community even today), so from where did your firm belief arise? The sin of fornication is indeed a most wicked sin, but it is only one of a countless number of sins which God detests & which sends men to hell. Even if a man or woman does not sin by fornication (in mind or body), some other sin will get them & consign them to hell.
There are differing views on what "that" is. Some say, the Word of God, so that we may know much more now, than Christians in those days. Others feel that it is when Christ comes (but then, why refer to Him as "that" or not "Christ"?), or maybe when we reach full maturity in Christ, as individuals & as a Church, most likely when we're in God's Presence. When this happens our knowledge will be complete. But for now, (v 12) we 'look at a mirror that is not well made or polished, therefore not with clarity (as in those days with silver or brass & not glass), but one day we will see all things clearly. Now our knowledge is only partial, but in the future we will know all things, even knowing ourselves as how God knows & sees us'.
When Paul was first Saul the Pharisee, his teaching came from both the Law of God & the traditions of men (i.e. Rabbinical teaching). He now writes that he no longer teaches that, nor can he, as the new life he has in Christ urges him to proclaim the message of the New Covenant & not the Old. What was the teaching under the Old Covenant? That man (the Jew), had to note every written Command of God ("the letter of the Law"), & had to given mental assent to it & obey it to the letter. If he failed, he suffered terribly. This was because the Law was given to show them how sinful they were, how they couldn't find complete deliverance from sin, & therefore any attempt to obey the Law fully would never work & would only result in their death/judgement.
But, writes Paul, unlike the Letter of the Law, the Spirit of God Who writes God's Laws upon our hearts, enables us to know what is sin & what is not, what pleases God & what doesn't, or how to use discernment over many things that come to us. And so our immediate confession to God when we fail Him & sin, sees the efficacy (continual application) of Christ's Blood for our cleansing & an assured, joyful heart. The Jews never had that experience, because the Law wasn't designed for that - it only brought him death & not life. But Jesus said, "I am come that they might have LIFE, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10.
On this "God and Jesus are not the same" all I can do is give you my perception on this. As other people may have different views. Maybe others more learned than I would like to share but I will proclaim what I feel about our Lord Jesus Christ. I do not believe Jesus Christ is God the Father as it seems pretty obvious to me as they are two, Father and Son. Although things like Jesus stating "I and the Father are One" and "If you have seen me you have seen the Father" some people may use those to proclaim that "Jesus is God". As I have said before I really have no problem with people saying Jesus is God as they are One. As God is Spirit the Father being in the Son and the Son in the Father is truth. They being One. All things that the Father has have been given to the Son.
Jesus Christ being the Elect or Chosen One of God. He is the Word of God and the Perfect Lamb of God. The Mediator between God Almighty and man. Sent to us by our Perfect Father in Heaven to bear our sins on His shoulders.( 1 John 2:1-2. By the Glorious Grace and love that God has for us. I believe Isaiah 42 is a good chapter, in the Old Testament, that speaks about Jesus Christ.
Maybe some other verses of Jesus and the Father not being the "same" even though they are One:
Proverbs 30:4
Matthew 26:39
John 8:17-18
John 20:17
( 1 Timothy 2:5
The Book of John is my favorite out of the four books of the journey of Chirst. Reading chapter 15-17 is good to see correlation between the Father and Son.
I hope what I have replied helps you. This is Truth to me in how my eyes have been lead to perceive the Lord Jesus Christ. And no person has taught me these things.
God Bless you brother.
So, in answer to your question, I understand that the those left behind to face God's Wrath are those who are unbelievers, & also those who think they are believers, but are not. That is why, throughout the epistles by the apostles, the challenge is always given as to the 'Christian's' position in Christ: are they truly saved & in God's family, or merely imposters, who might show some spirituality, attending Church, etc., but lead lives that carnal & never born again of the Spirit? Of course, we can never be in a position to judge someone else's salvation - we have to accept one another & encourage them. But when sin is made evident to us, or wrong teaching given, we must take action, whether to give help or deal with those who alter God's Word for their own ends.
However, since you're asking about those left behind, you will be aware of the different views on this by many Christians. Some, like me, believe that the Rapture is for believers to remove them from the time of God's Wrath (Pre-Tribulation Rapture). Others believe in a Mid-Tribulation Rapture (occurring in the middle of the Tribulation). And others, a Post-Tribulation Rapture (that all people, including Christians, go through the Tribulation & then Jesus comes to take us away). You would have to discern with the Spirit's help as to how you need to understand the Scriptures on this matter.
However, when the blind lead the blind much of what the blind believe is not the truth. The Bible tells us those in Sodom and Gomorrah are God's lying children and when we look at the Christianity of today many denominations will marry and ordain the gays. No truth is being spoken in those denomination. Which denomination is telling truth? Is there one?
God said he had to shorten a day or no flesh would be saved. Are we close to God having to shorten a day or no flesh will be saved?
Exodus 18:1 "When Jethro, the priest of Midian, Moses' father in law, heard of all that God had done for Moses, and for Israel his people, and that the LORD had brought Israel out of Egypt;" Exodus 18:2 "Then Jethro, Moses' father in law, took Zipporah, Moses' wife, after he had sent her back," Exodus 18:21 "Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:"
Numbers 12:1 "And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman."
Can someone help me understand 2 Corinthians 3:6....what did Paul meam when he said the letter killeth?
I've had similar conversations with some of my friends over the years, we need to understand that, all these events happened prior to the law being given to Moses, and for these events happening as scripture says it does, and as per God's plan, I believe. I do hope this helps.
1 Corinthians 1:25 "Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men."
I did the search for you brother:
Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:69
Psalms 110:1
Mark 16:19
Acts 2:33
Acts 7:55-56
Romans 8:34
Ephesians 1:20
Colossians 3:1
Hebrews 1:3
Hebrews 8:1
Hebrews 10:12
Hebrews 12:2
( 1 Peter 3:22
The Bible has much to say about human sexuality. Fornication is one of the main words it uses. In 1 Corinthians 6:13 it declares, "The body is not made for fornication, but for the Lord. " And in Jude we know that those in S&G committed fornication. But the body is not made for that. Many translation have removed the word fornication from the Bible. Even the New King James removed it from the book of Jude.