Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 82

Hello Chris,

Curious to know how the following passage fits into your idea of an earthly kingdom with Christ ruling from Jerusalem.

Clearly, those spoken about in Hebrews 11 were not looking for an earthly kingdom of any kind.

I suspect part of your misunderstanding stems from the fact that you want to understand "Israel" as always speaking about either Israel the man or National Israel the Jewish nation.

God very clearly defines Israel in many different ways, depending on the context. Remember that Christ spoken parables and without a parable, spake He not.

The Israel, that God is concerned about from a covenant salvation perspective, is the Israel made up of all true believers, both from the nation of Israel, and from every other nation.

These are God's elect. Whom Christ has chosen from before the foundations of the world and fully paid for their sins. These are the elect. God's elect, whom God has applied or will apply salvation to their life by giving them a new resurrected soul, have no interest in an earthly kingdom with Christ ruling from Jerusalem. They seek an heavenly kingdom as talked about in Hebrews 11. But thank you again for your response.

Hebrews 11:13-16 "These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were STRANGERS AND PILGRIMS ON THE EARTH. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they SEAK A COUNTRY. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that [country] from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a BETTER [country], that is, an HEAVENLY: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath PREPARED FOR THEM A CITY"

May God in his mercy lead us into truth, as we compare scripture with scripture using the principles that God has laid down in his word.

Sadly, most professing Christians in my part of the world look at scripture and support it through scripture. Yet when topics especially in Revelations (book) come up, I here so much hypocrisy about peoples illusion about the 7 year tribulation in the end times. In Daniel 9 to 12 people can gain insight into the underlying message that the entire book of Revelations is based on. Also understanding the Olivet discourse would move mountains on this topic. The majority of Christians are being deceived about the true meaning of the 7 years trib. pre trib. ect Sometimes praying in the spirit, we can receive instructions on the truth. Revelation 12{9 and 2 Thessalonians 2;3 have already been fulfilled. Revelations 13:4 and who can make war with the beast. We are already here as the son of perdition has already been revealed. I gain everything I receive through the direction of the Holy Spirit or Ruach spirit. If anybody has interest in this area, I would be more than willing to share the truth as per the spirit and not the flesh. I would suggest those individuals look first at the 70 weeks of Daniel, the Olivet discourse, and then Revelations. Do not be deceived as the devil and his minions have already deceived most of the world with twisting scripture, Historical history knowledge about these areas will open a lot of eyes. Last, if people are not living in the spirit and truth and following the great commission of healing, casting out, speaking in tongues ( Mark 16:17, and the rest of what Christ asked us to do, these words mean nothing. My hope is always in the promises, as I truly feel like a stranger in a fallen world waiting for the promises by faith in of serving in the millennium reign and then the new heaven and new earth to follow

Dear Bible Alone,

I do agree with you that these Scriptures both speak of the Lord's return in glory at the end of this age. I do not believe that the Thessalonian passage speaks of a rapture prior to His one and only second coming, also.

Thanks for sharing.

To clarify, S. Spencer,

I cannot remember if I asked these specific questions in the format I did with Lbooth, but most likely within responses to different people.

Perhaps I was not very clear, so to clarify, I was speaking of questions about dispensational beliefs in general, not necessarily the specific questions I posted. So I apologize for not being a clear as I should have been.

I appreciate both your and Chris' responses to my inquiries. However, I would not consider the "answers" to my questions as giving clear, direct, explicit, and convincing Scriptural references to prove any of the questions posed.

That evidence is what I am seeking.

More on signs and wonders: Reflections on the latest Pope's new mandates

If anyone has not investigated the latest upheaval of 12 or 14 mandates (depending on which article is read) it is something that should be checked out. The one mandate alone regarding total accountability using 4 secular accountants no less on all the Vatican's wealth is enough to make him a target; as well as not having any official titles so that everyone is considered a brother in Christ. Now when you get to the last couple things being decided there is no doubt it is thrusting the world to a One World religion. Given the transparency here as to overthrowing the institution; bolstered by the layperson involvment in abuse charges hereafter and releasing other documents hidden in such matters it would seem that he wouldn't qualify necessarily for the false prophet due to his transparency. The Vatican apparently will no longer have the Papal residence where it is but that facility is turned into a library. I would recommend reading these mandates; as an institution the control seems to be relinquished; but again the overall agenda of ecumenicalism is strengthened along with the environmental mandates (the Vatican also is going to have some sort of alternative energy used).

This concept as I see it will allow the future Antichrist to have the focus rather than the Papacy as the false prophet does things on the behalf of the Beast it says. The focus then necessarily has to be there so this probably makes sense; and it also takes away the control and influence from those who financially were creating a stranglehold.

I wish this man was truly saved without prayers to Mary in particular. This transparency is going to reflect to the other denominations as to things they could or should consider and no doubt will bolster popular support back to Catholicism.

It is equally likely; of course that this is short lived and shall we say coiuld easily be snuffed out. Time will tell.

Signs and wonders

Today I reacted to a sight which was discussing many children in particular who are said to have had visions of Christ. Without even getting into specifics I said that no doubt the enemy is sending out messages and there are many human copycats and finally you can tell by their fruits if someone is truly saved by their actions afterwards in sharing the faith; the true Gospel of Christ. We see some hope here with the first example; a well known story by now of a boy who was under anesthesia and supposedly saw Christ and other people he had no knowledge of. I remain cautiously optimistic in some cases.

Repentance that is granted by God is a gift as scripture indicates (Acts; etc). Our actions; no doubt reflect true salvation and repentance with change on our end. The basic issues of salvation related to our sin nature (not just outward actions) that needs atonement through Christ is often bypassed and people act as though we can be in God's presence without being flat on our faces. A chlld would have this same reaction truly seeing the Lord; it is a spontaneous and uncontrollable reflex for anyone and without such an experience even someone too young to understand sin has to be questioned as to the validity of the experience; this becomes clear later on with such as a very famous female artist now an adult; I suppose I won't mention the name here but it is clear she is very New Age and not truly Christian despite being a top 10 artist as a child in the world. Images of any sort of Christ have to be questioned; as to all this facination with cloud formations which at times are just natural phenonmenon; other times it seems nafarious forces are at work creating things to convince the masses; so to speak whether human tech or demonic. When Christ comes it will be from the east to the west. Anyone truly seeing the Lord will beg for forgiveness; but again Godly sorrow leads to true repentance; worldly to death ( 2 Cor. 7:10).

Agape.

Thanks Gigi.

That may explains why I never saw those questions before until you posed them to Lbooth.

I came along late in that thread with Lbooth.

I thought you told him you have asked these questions before and no one gave you answers.

I was saying that is the first time I've seen them.

However I thought Brother Chris gave you direct great answers! I couldn't improve on them!

However when time permits I will give you how I come up with my interpretation that leads me to my beliefs.

God bless.

2. So we indoctrinate them so that they learn this form. And in some cases only in my life I see it, but is my life so valuable to the world, or to the Lord Jesus? If I were actually dead in the body many years ago, but still alive in the body and glorifying God with my Spirit. Look, that's a difficult question if I made myself understandable. Because if medical science hadn't "cured" me many times with antibiotics. I would have been dead long ago. Antibiotics are just a small sliver of joy. They never completely remove the infection. So an infection will come back, sooner or later. This is where I think we are tricked into believing that science is necessary. And we continue to look at all the abominable things medical science deals with. We see that it is not for life, it wants death to.

I'll be back later, have to do something else. Be blessed in Jesus' name. Amen Acts 28

1. Hello Richard H P you know, when you go out in faith and want to pray for people, I would like to think that he was shocked.Not your fault, sir.But be encouraged, don't let the answer he gave you set you back.For here are spiritual opponents, here they are standing in line so that you will not approach anyone again. Know that the Holy Spirit is with you always until the end of the world.Know about people who in a way "cultivate their illnesses".They are the ones who get negative attention and such people are demanding. But you probably know this.He doesn't have to be that kind of person, but he was touched by your openness, see if you can get an opening again sometime.Because that need is a reminder from the Lord. It makes us not forget either. The need we get is the Lord. I see here on the prayer page that gives me a lot of blessing.I can feel alive in the middle of the forest. Where I normally sit, breathe and live. Few people come by.And those the Lord sends me I have need in my heart for. Also some I meet. But people are generally well off and lack very little in these areas.It was worse before 1930 and until after the war. But that was before my time.Then the need for people must come in the form of a war. Oh no I don't want that.You know this man can probably afford a doctor and has a treatment plan. See how the antichrist works. Put in easier alternatives, (we think) We believe that running to a doctor or a hospital will heal us. What we see in God's Word is the exact opposite. Here is Jesus our doctor! And how much easier it is to ask Him. but no we run to the doctor, ps I have done that and, not least when I had small children. Then you have a responsibility over another life. But we believers should run to the Lord. He may also be one of those who trusts in medical science, and believes and does not bother the Lord with it. Because when we take our children to the doctor, it becomes easy for our enemy to make them think that the doctor is best.

Thanks for writing in Willow and sharing that rather different testimony by your friend whilst she was in the baptism waters; that she heard her pastor's question to her in such a different way.

Anyway, as you mix more with Christian friends, whether in person or online, attend Church or Bible studies, the amount of information coming to you to digest will be both great & at times conflicting in your heart. When Scriptures are given to support the belief or teaching, note those portions and study them including the Book and chapters the verses are in, asking the Spirit to help you understand. It's only the LORD God with His Own Word that can show you what you need to know & how to apply those Truths in your life. And this understanding sometimes takes time as the Spirit leads you in your reading more of the Word & your readiness to learn what He has to say to you. Every blessing in your earnest desire and walk with the Lord Jesus.

Spiritual bondage vs freedom

And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. ( 1 John 5:19).

But godliness with contentment is great gain. ( 1 Timothy 6:6)

This posting is really bearing my soul as it were but necessary medicine.

When we start out life we are utterly dependent on our parents or whoever our caretaker happens to be for food; clothing and shelter. Of course the famous adage is that you never need to train a child to say NO and therefore they need parameters.

As someone gets older; of course they are expected to become more and more independent until eventually they forge a life on their own with their life partner in marriage many times.

This of course can be used as an analogy of the same situation of someone just Born Again; and in others not. God is forever sustaining us and we are ever dependent on His provisions. We are asked to suffer as indeed Christ suffered as a servant. In all this we are UTTERLY dependent on the Holy Spirit. Although He lives inside us as a permanent resident we need to constantly fellowship and pray; today the Pastor discussed the Transfiguration and Christ in prayer immediately before that. Thus we are restored and renewed or you could say refilled in the proper context. I look at it more as our old self trying to assert dominance and we forget who we truly are; again with the caveat that only a truly saved person can do that or even has any joy in it. I can only speak for myself but always recognize the Spirit at work but it amazes me how I seem to be estranged much of the time and sadly often think I'm doing alright when in fact I have drifted away from where I should be. It simply isn't enough to make a formula out of procedures every day reading the Bible; prayer; etc. and in fact it probably does more harm than good if it is disingenuous from some ritualistic routine. I for one have to seek Him more every day before anything else.

God bless.

Later.

RHP

Does not Wisdom care for her own, as a good mother does

Thru Wisdom, the Lords Holy children

observe his feasts n sabbaths

as one

Have Faith,in Faith

she will take you there

Baptism

So many theologies I'm learning I think I'll wait a few more years and, above all, seek to understand what God wants me to do.

I talk to many friends who are already advanced in the teachings of the Lord and have already been baptized.

One of them told me that she felt the Lord was asking her to do it again.

Note: she gave me permission to share this testimony.

This particular friend said that, the second time, something changed - the atmosphere became peaceful.

She said that when the pastor asked, "Do you accept Jesus.?", she, while speaking to Jesus, replied, "No, I want to do it!" and began to tremble.

Because she heard the question in a different way: "Do you accept to make videos and share your testimonies?"

Today, she is making the videos and, each day, continues more steadfastly, reaching other people and knowing Jesus more deeply in her life.

God knows exactly what He is doing with each of His children.

Hello GiGi,

You are correct. The Bible does not teach multiple raptures and returns of Christ. Nor does it teach that Christ will return to establish an earthly kingdom on this sin-cursed earth; that was the mistake that the Nation of Israel made 2000 years ago and that those that teach this idea make today.

We must keep in mind that if we have come to any Truth from the Bible, it is only by God's mercy and grace. We can take no personal credit for this in any way.

Faith cometh by Hearing and Hearing by the Word of God, ie Christ Himself.

May we walk very humbly before God, praying that He might lead us into Truth as we search the Scriptures, using the principles that God Himself has set forth in His Word. Praying also that He might give us an earnest desire to be obedient to that Truth.

We could all benefit by reading Romans 9 very carefully. Applying the principle that Christ spoke in parables and without a parable spake He not.

Matthew 11:25 "At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes."

Luke 18:17 "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein."

Blessings

Yes Mr. Spencer,

There certainly will be a rapture and resurrection of true believers on the Last Day when Christ returns on the clouds of glory to wrap up his judgment and salvation program, destroy this sin-cursed earth, and create New Heavens and New Earth.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 "13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

2 Peter 3:10-15 "10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;"

See earlier response re Kingdom of Christ.

In light of the teaching tonight I did want to say that I plan to not be always focused on my issues; or agenda with these postings. I can say that it certainly isn't an overt and obvious thing in that regard as far as being disingenuous to being edifying; etc. But it affects what seems important to me at the time and some of that no doubt is unbelief leading to fear over events and I am trying to hash some concepts out which may end up only making me feel better at the time. Such logic of course may not really edify others. With too much focus in one area other real life issues can take a back burner. I can't assume what is burdening me is relevant to others; or necessary to rant about the moment something comes up in the media of concern.

I'm sure some of these things would be clearer as far as my strengths and weaknesses in person. Hopefully transparency has had some good effect here. Again suggestions are helpful; one way or another.

This once again has me considering the Rapture. The experiential part of God's Kingdom of course lives in His saints now (the Kingdom of God lives within His church). I have discussed this before but when we exit this earth it is part of our fellowship of the saints; finally to where it should be without all of earth's separation; distractions and illnesses. To be saved and in fellowship now we are known by God and in true communion with His saints. Of course we will see those from all nations at that time. Let us start to consider these things now where we are spontaneously worshipping. We will no doubt be compelled to worship but are reminded everyone in heaven and earth (that would include those who aren't saved) will be compelled to admit Jesus is Lord. We have to be careful not to make the ceremony a ritual that supersedes this concept of being in unity if indeed we are around those who are truly of the faith. Let us ask God to give us Agape for the saints and remove any unforgiveness.

My last request is that for now at least I plan to stick around where I am; hopefully being able to get a trip up to see the electricity hooked up to this cabin purchase and if it is God's will my friend can accompany me to check out the wiring. I have training already one day next week and my job in Food Service is slated Sept 2. The lady at work had a tragic death of her nephew after she had already left to do other work for the summer; and I want to be a decent witness to her. My performance was said to be sub par but they are short one guy who went to college so although I missed a project after the school year due to my apparent need for supervision they are taking me back. I want to serve there as best I can and be a witness to whoever is new tehere; as they have someone else as the "2nd in command" over the program. The crappy and severe evaluation is understandable with the rules and regulations and one particular error I made leaving something out too long. I respect the people there as they allowed me time off when my mom was dying even time wihout pay when I was never formally terminated after an extended leave when my mom was in hospice.

I did want to say that it is encouraging here that such deep conversation on scripture is occuring without fluff lately. Maybe at some point shifting people can take on prayer requests; there are a few which are ongoing. It would be helpful if people would share when prayers are answered; even if it wasn't requested here I'm sure we could all use encouragement.

I will say from my earlier comment on the guy in church today when I asked if I could pray for him since he has some cancer in his face and other issues I was saddened he declined my offer. Maybe he thought I wasn't right in my walk. It saddens me whenever that happens.

One last note; it is very interesting the reforms this Pope is making; the hierarchy of the finances and secrecy is overturned; but sadly he's into one world religion.

Today in church I got a chance to talk in some length with one particular elderly man who clearly is sold out for the Lord as His Word in his real life experience is a testimony. It is refreshing to hear someone who challenges me at times; especially after about 20 minutes of small talk with the rest of the crowd.

Another guy who spoke tonight started attending regularly with his music ministry last year. He was talking about different forms of greed; not just material that included the concept of someone wanting others time and attention on them rather narcissistically.

All this makes me think of my own life in terms of my hobbies and other ventures. I am in the hope that I can possibly team up with my one friend who isa struggling artist and do some sales of things; which would include some coins the dealer isn't interested in but of course others where I could make some profit; as well as a lot of other stuff eventually that formerly belonged to my parents once I am able to sell them. I would appreciate prayer on that subject if that is meant to be; I need to seek God's direction and continue to work on my friendship. It would be a venue where Gospel tracts could be on display along with his book and artwork and also a way potentially he could offer me a cut on some of the profits to pay for the venue.

I guess my point here from the first part of this post is that there is no substitute for in person communication with other believers. This site; as helpful as it is doesn't have direct online video conferencing; but that also is limited. It should be an aide rather than the end all unless we are truly living away from the grid.

My second point is that I will have balance as to investments; I am sort of treating it like a part time job in terms of how much I can realistically make and selling some to help finance my friend. I want to keep some for emergencies but not have a hording mentality.

Not at all GiGi. I was simply impressed by how conversant you are in this subject. My understanding of dispensationalism is very basic, only now learning that its implications delve into the area of eschatology as well. If I have not answered your earlier questions well, please let me know; I was simply awaiting any further ones you had for me (or for us).

Dear S. Spencer,

Everything I have presented as questions to Lbooth have been put forward on this site. And, as I have read up on mid-acts dispensationalism, these beliefs I posed in my questions are found in this as well as other dispensational sub-groups. So, even if you do not believe all that I presented, that does not mean that my questions do not represent dispensationalism. You can do your own research on these beliefs within dispensationalism if you would like to do so.

Please know I am truly trying to get serious, precise, and clear answers to my questions.

I do have many others about dispensationalism and how its tenets are proved by Scripture.

And, you know I do not adhere to dispensationalism, but that should not prevent me from asking such questions. And since I am the one asking for clear answers I do not think it is up to me to refute these beliefs from Scripture at this time. I feel that those who believe these tenets should prove them correct by Scripture. I am not asking these questions in order to refute them. I just want to know how dispensationalist prove their view.

Perhaps down the road I will feel led to present my view on such ideas with Scriptural support, but at this time, that is not my aim nor the lead of the Holy Spirit.

I thank you for giving me time to interact with me in this thread. I hope your work week goes very well.

I am sure we will have many future conversations together and I look forward to those as long as they remain respectful and gracious even when we disagree.

May God give you peaceful sleep tonight and good focus on your work this week. May He bless you in your quiet times with Him in prayer and in the Word. May you grow in grace and knowledge of Jesus as I ask the Lord to cause me to do as well.

Hi GiGi. Just to state that my reference to that question being hypothetical, was purely my understanding not anyone else's belief, since I definitely wouldn't agree to it; I don't see any Scriptural support that teaches Jesus would have gone on to establish His kingdom on earth if the Jews would have accepted Him as their Messiah at His first coming. There would be too much else to contend with especially in regards to the sin question, if Jesus was to be installed as King without Sacrifice, since He was "the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world".

Chris,

I wish you well this evening.

I was not trying to peg you into any specific "ism" in dispensationalism. I am sorry if you thought I was.

Lbooth admitted that he was "mid-acts dispensationalist' which teaches many of the questions I asked him to prove by Scripture. He has not responded to my questions, which saddens me because I really want to know how such people Scripturally justify their beliefs on these matters.

If you wish to seriously answer my questions with specifics, I will be happy to read your ideas. God bless you.

Hi Bible Alone. Thanks again for sharing this also. I won't write anymore, as bro. S. Spencer has conveyed my thoughts very clearly. GBU.

Wow GiGi. You've really studied this subject in quite some depth. I did not even realize that there were so many different degrees of "dispensationalism" (& that I might even fall into the 'progressive' category). Not sure if I should pat myself on the back for being found into that maybe elite category. Seriously though, my only exposure to dispensationalism was from a ginormous book of charts by Clarence Larkin. Have never read through it, but have since learned that my dividing the Bible into different epochs of God's dealing with Israel & others, I share similar beliefs to him. And to be clear, I don't believe that affirming these seven (or, more) epochs (dispensations) is necessary for understanding the Bible, but something that I see as evident and of course useful to new Bible readers who are seeking a very general overview of this great mysterious book called the Bible.

So thanks for that GiGi; I would be eager to read, in time, what other questions you might have on this subject, that would stir my understanding at least on the eschatological aspects of it.

Welcome to you Legettj and appreciate you writing in. You're correct that all that the Bible has revealed to us will happen regardless of how much we meditate on & analyse the Scriptures. But for me personally as one who loves and studies the Scriptures, this Site has been a great blessing as I can share with other likeminded brethren what they have learned from their studies & be challenged afresh to what I believe. I don't get this type of "in-depth" spiritual interaction in a Church fellowship, for most I find are content with what they've been taught & are not prepared to dig deep into the Word & allow the Holy Spirit to reveal precious gems of Truth. All I can say is, if one is truly hungry, then only the meat of the Word can fully satisfy. Blessings.

Thank you Bible Alone for those worthy reminders about how we should treat God's Word. Only correct biblical hermeneutics, without personal feelings & inclinations entering in, will reveal the Truth and richness of God's Word. And yes, comparing Scripture with Scripture is essential, and again we need care that Scriptures compared are indeed very relevant to the matter being revealed.

Also, I appreciated your quoting John 18:33-38. I think you were directing our thoughts to Christ's coming Kingdom - that His Kingdom was not of this world. A couple of things came to mind here: Jesus' Mission was not to conquer and subdue His enemies, thus installing a premature kingdom, but to first give His Life for our sins that when He comes again to reign in Jerusalem it will be a Kingdom based on fulfilled prophecy & righteous rule when sin & its despicable author will be chained for a long time & prevented from causing havoc in human hearts.

And this should also remind us that it was never in God's Plan that His children would attempt by force to bring about His Kingdom on Earth (it simply is not our job to do), rather that we should lead holy blameless lives before all, standing sure & being vocal against the rampant sin around us, be instant in sharing the Gospel, and to await the coming of Jesus Who alone will rule and judge righteously. GBU.

Thanks responding Gigi.

There has been plenty of discussions on the rapture topic and the proof has been presented.

The rapture isn't what we call the second coming.

You said you agree that our gathering to the Lord will be quick after the sounding of the trumpet and the appearing of Jesus, which is why the term harpazo is used. But I believe that this passage is speaking of the second and only return of Jesus at the end of the age.

Thanks, that gives me something to build off of.

I will attempt to show why I don't believe that it speaks of the second coming.

Give me some time because I am in the middle of preparing for my work week.

And as for your question "e" "Where does Scripture teach that Jesus would have gone on to establish His kingdom on earth if the Jews would have accepted Him as their Messiah?

I also don't believe in that.

I believe that the cross was necessary to atone for the sins of the world.

In Matthew 26:39-44 Jesus prayed 3 times "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

If it was any other way like the Jews accepting Christ as savior the Father didn't answer that prayer.

That would be totally against all of scripture clear back to Genesis!

And we would be still under the Levitical priesthood and the old covenant!

That would also be against what is mentioned throughout the book of Hebrews!

Especially Hebrews 9:15-17.

I also don't recall ever seeing that viewpoint being presented on this site.

I also don't see how that fits into a dispensationalists theology or viewpoint.

Thanks and God bless.

Dear Chris,

Getting back to you on this response. Question e is a belief that many dispensationalist state is true. It is not an hypothetical question in their view if they believe it to have occurred if the Jews had received Jesus as their Messiah in his lifetime.

I am trying to understand where in Scripture this belief is taught. If you are not able to answer this question, that's o.k. with me. And if you do not believe this dispensational belief as true, please tell me.

Saying it is hypothetical seems to me to be a bit evasive or dismisses of my question. Please understand that I am desiring to gain answers to my questions that are clear and to the point.

I do thank you for taking the time to attempt to help me out here. I always appreciate your inpu.