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Hi GiGi,

Neither do I get that God would hate what He would redeem, for this would be to do evil that good may come, which is in direct opposition to the principle Paul established as he was guided by the Holy Spirit, that we should NOT do evil that good may come, for fear of just damnation (wrath) from God: Romans 3:8.

In regards to God hating humans, I'm certain you are aware of Malichi 1:3 which I believe Paul was referring to "As it is written" in Romans 9:13.

You stated, "I think it says that it is because of His loving kindness that He does nor destroy humans because of their sinfulness." To this I would suggest Matthew 10:28.

I'm inclined to think hate is hate just as love is love, although each can appear in different forms, which is the only thing hate and love have in common. As I've mentioned numerous times, Love can only create Itself and nothing but Itself. In the same manner, hate produces hate, meaning also that it cannot create Love. There is no compromise between the two. Actually, the two cannot even communicate with each other. We tend to think that fear as well as Love can be communicated and also be shared. Yet this this is not so real as it may appear; those who communicate fear are promoting attack, and attack always breaks communication, making communication impossible. How is it possible that God or The Prince of Peace have peace in condemnation, attack, wrath, vengeance, damnation, etc? If this is God, then what kind of unimaginable monster is the evil devil. Or if this is God, then its opposite must be Love, full of mercy,compassion, light, joy, and forgiveness?? This is simple logic.

Outside the two scriptures I mentioned about the Bible saying that God hates parts of His Creation, I'm not aware at this time where it says this anywhere else. Once is enough. Yet, there are many biblical passages in Scripture that reflect hate and darkness from God. I don't know if I will ever be able to accept this.

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What is the difference between the Bible word "Election", "Chosen", and "Predestination", seeing some camps seem to use them interchangeably? Election can cover not just salvation, but calling and purpose (i.e. Israel). Thank you.

Dear Emily,

I will pray for Gianna tonight. Bless you for continuing to put her on our hearts to pray for her. she is blessed to have a fiend like you.

Dear Heavenly Father, in Jesus' name we pray, Help Gianna right now and protect her from harm from without and within herself. do not allow her to lose contact with Emily and others who care so much for her. Send the remedy she needs to overcome this troublesome mindset that has gripped her. In Jesus' name , release the hold of this mindset on Gianna and restore in her a sound mind and peaceful spirit. Keep her from running away from You. Turn her around towards You and help to see You waiting with Your arms wide open to receive her and love her like no one else can do. Father, we trust You to answer our prayers for Gianna today. Amen.

Hello One Eighty,

Haven't heard from You for a while.

I am aware of Romans 9 passage. Can you give me any more passages that speaks of God hating humans.

I know that He hates the wickedness in us and those who are rebellious to Him are not favored by Him. But I do not know if that means He hates these people in ways we hate. I think it says that it is because of His loving kindness that He does not destroy humans because of their sinfulness. I am not saying that God does not hate. But His aim is to redeem as many as will come to Him when the Spirit draws them with the Gospel. So I cannot seem to get that He would hate what He wishes to redeem.

I know that Romans 9 speaks of some creatures who are targets of His mercy and others who are vessels of His wrath. I am not sure if He is referring only to humans here or if He is referring to humans as objects of mercy and the fallen angels as the vessels of His wrath since the Lake of Fire was prepared before they were even created as the place for them to receive His wrath forever.

What day did god create Eve

Hello again Richard.

Hmmm I was not aware that you had not had any responses to your posts for some time. That surprises me. I always read what you write. I like how you take a book and go right through it chapter upon chapter. I am trying to do that, too. But am very slow at it as I am only in Exodus. But that pace is what I do now. I do enjoy conversing with people on here. It helps me stay focused on what is really important, even in Christian conversations. I am learning quite a bit on here and your posts are part of this learning and growing in me. Thank you. Keep up the good work, Richard. God knows what He will do with your obedience even if you do not yet see the fruit. This idea makes me smile as I think that we do not need to depend on instant or quick results to know whether what we do from the leading of the Holy Spirit is worthwhile or not. God uses us and many times does not have anything bounce back to us for some time. But we should be satisfied that we have done what He has led us to do and leave it at that. I try to be content in whatever situation I find myself in, trusting God to bring about good from it for others and for myself as well.

I am blessed to be married to a man who believes, too. Our whole relationship from the beginning of our first date up to now (45 years later) have been as believers. He is fairly quiet and reserved. As with our 3 sons, he is introverted and I am the lone extrovert in our family though I come from a whole, big family of extroverts, mostly. Too many bossy sister, that is for sure. haha. I have learned a lot living with introverts and that has led me to be more sensitive to their needs as far as interactively and emotionally. I have needed to set aside my preferences and bents for their needs more often than not. That is a good thing. It is part of dying daily to self, I believe. I certainly am not one to insist on my one way nor to need to run the show. So, God is at work in our family. Praise to Him.

Yeah, that's where you lost me bro, Christ comes to establish God's Kingdom Here on Earth, no one goes anywhere, we are CHANGED when He returns.

All who are alive and remain (will) go through the tribulation, only difference is those who have the seal of God will not be touched by the Locust army,,, it is commanded by God

Who are these locusts? God's Army

Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, My great army which I sent among you.

Joel 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.

Revelation 7:2 - And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 9:3 - 7 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

9:4 And it was commanded them{locust army} that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; (but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.)

What is a womans role in a married couple placing membership in a church?

I appreciate your comments. Haven't heard anything for probably 2 months on any postings on the site.

You probably don't need these admonitions. That is a hard saying; how God is impartial. He will bless those who bless Him; and curse those who curse Him. It seems you have a great desire for the Word; and having a husband in the faith; hopefully you are growing as well in the role God has given you in this life. It is the fact that those who are hundredfold that have the greatest rewards is simply God's character being reflected; as well as gaining more "interest" as it were because of heavenly rewards. He who sows in tears will reap in joy. ( Psalm 126:5-6). It goes against the flesh to invest time and energy and finances in ministry for the Lord but we are told that we MUST believe that God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him ( Heb. 11:6). These crowns of course extend to those who patiently hope and wait for His coming; those in leadership over the church (held to a higher standard); a special one for martyrs; and several other designations. We may cast our crowns at His feet but as adopted children we have eternal promises and positions. It is hard to say in eternity as compared to the Millennium the differences in rulership; etc. Obviously it is better to be a doorkeeper in the house of God than to be lost and cast out.

It is not taught today how some will make it through the Bema suffering loss getting in as through the fire ( 1 Cor. 3:15). Revelation 3:11 is not taught much either. One of my frequent comments on that is that if I fail I'd better be honored to see someone else exalted due to my lack of service. God will use anyone as a method of spreading salt and light; some sowing others reaping the benefits.

Sad truth today is that there are few who can discern those who are shining as the stars among the masses of confessing Christians ( Daniel 12:3 associated with leading many to righteousness).

Agape; Rich P

Miya, I am so sorry that this has come of your marriage. This indeed is very sad news. I will pray for you, your husband, and children today.

Dear Heavenly Father, we ask You in the name of Your Son, Jesus, to help Miya in this situation. Give her wisdom and strength to follow what You will for her and her family. Give her a heart that will listen to You, a mind that will think clearly and reasonably though so troubled, a soul that will remain hopeful in You and Your ways. We ask that You will bring repentance and guidance to her husband. If he is not the best person for Miya to remain with, please have him part from this situation respectfully and responsibly. If he is the one You wish to stay with Miya, then repair this relationship in love and trust. Protect these children during this painful time. Help both Miya and her husband be careful what they say to one another and especially what they say around these children. Lord, Miya is heartbroken. She is feeling such a sense of loss and betrayal, as You know better than anyone. I ask that You comfort and cover her during this time. Help her to always have a right perspective and attitude during this trying time. Keep her from temptations to hurt this man back for what he has done, from harsh words, from spitefulness, from depressing thoughts, from hostility, and from being easily swayed into agreements that may not be best for her or the family. We ask these things of You, Father because this situation is so much bigger than Miya is able to cope with. Only You can do miraculous things and can bring about a good resolve to this relationship. We ask that Miya find her sufficiency in You, O Lord. Amen.

Jacqui,

So glad to have you here with us. be blessed today, in Jesus' name.

Good day, Job

This is a good question to ponder. It is similar to asking questions like: Why does God love us? Why does God hate sin? Why does God desire to be worshipped? The Scriptures tell us that God's thoughts are higher than ours and His was are far above ours to fully understand.

I think of reasons why God is He is a jealous God along these lines:

God knows that He alone is God and there are no other gods, even if anyone chooses to worship one other than Himself. Therefore all worship of idols is false because the god worshipped is just a vaporous idea with no substance, no power, no divinity, nothing to offer the worshipper.

God knows that worshipping Him is the best for all He has created. He knows that only He can satisfy all of what His creatures and wants to do this for those who worship Him alone.

God knows that idolatry can never bear good fruit. Its fruit is always rotten and, even more so, poisonous, always destructive to the worshipper.

God knows that what He has in store for all those who believe in Him and worship Him only is far more than what anyone can ever have in this life., that is eternal life of knowing Him and His Son, Jesus.

God knows that idolatry leads to more and more sin, which He hates, and it deadens us to Him even more.

God has compassion for those he has created and so does not want His creatures to suffer needlessly due to idolatry.

God desires for all to be saved through faith in Him alone. Anyone who worships idols cannot have this salvation He desires for them to receive.

God's ultimate purposes in creation, redemption, and eternal life are not realized by idolaters. These people do not receive the gifts He has laid up for those who worship only Him.

I hope these ideas help you to understand why God does not want us to turn from Him to any idols or to choose to worship Him and idols at the same time. This is what He is jealous about. This jealousy is for our good, not because He is selfish or conceited.

Anthony

a. If I understand well you believe in a rapture in the midst of those last 7 years or sometime before the 2nd coming of Jesus on earth?

b. The Revelation is not written in chronological order. God's wrath will not occur only at the end but also during those 7 years. Rev 15:7 "And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven ANGELS seven golden vials FULL OF THE WRATH OF GOD who liveth for ever and ever." It is God's punishment of the sinful world. This is what causes the great tribulation. They are not due to physical causes. If the great tribulation is not due to God's punishment, what is it then? Which are causes of that tribulation and which events are a result of that tribulation? What do you actually mean with great tribulation?

c. The tribulations in one's life that Paul talks about are persecutions due their faith and for their spiritual training. They are a completely different thing from that great tribulation.

d. Lets read carefully the discussion Abraham had with the Lord just before the distruction of Sodom and Gommorah, it shows how God thinks and how God acts in similar cases.

Genesis 18:23-33

"And Abraham drew near, and said, WILT THOU DESTROY THE RIGHTEOUS WITH THE WICKED?

Peradventure there be FIFTY righteous within the city: WILT THOU DESTROY AND NOT SPARE THE PLACE FOR THE FIFTY RIGHTEOUS THAT ARE THEREIN?

THAT BE FAR FROM THEE TO DO AFTER THIS MANNER, TO SLAY THE RIGHTEOUS WITH THE WICKED: AND THAT THE RIGHTEOUS SHOULB BE AS THE WICKED, THAT BE FAR FROM THEE: SHALL NOT THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH DO RIGHT?

And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I WILL SPARE ALL THE PLACE FOR THEIR SAKES.

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And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure TEN shall be found there. And he said, I WILL NOT DESTROY IT FOR TEN'S SAKE."

So there is no way God orders His angels to destroy, that is to "kill" His children together with the wicked world. Noway at all. My opinion.

Dear Frederick. I will pray for you today.

Heavenly Father, Gracious Lord, we come today in Jesus' name asking You to restore to Frederick, myself, my sons, and other's loved by believers all that has been stolen, devoured, or destroyed by the evil one. We know that you can make all things new, bring back from the dead that which is destroyed, recover what is lost, replace blessing for what is meant to harm us, repair all that is broken, uplift all who are downtrodden, redeem all who are astray, and work all things for good for those who love You. So, knowing these things are true, we ask that You indeed hear our prayers and take back from the enemy all that he has done to us and undo all the harm he has brought upon us. We are so thankful for your loving care and faithfulness, LORD GOD. Amen.

Dear Richard,

Thanks for the good words on our heavenly reward.

I was just thinking yesterday about this as my husband and I were driving on such a sunny fall day. Considering the beauty of the natural environment, I thought that since God created such beauty and enjoyment on this earth in this life, how much greater will be the beauty and enjoyment of our heavenly life! I don't think we will ever grow tired or bored of what we will possess in our heavenly life. Just the eternal infinite perfection of God in all of His ways will be captivating to us for all eternity.

I love what John the Baptist said of Jesus, "He must increase and I must decrease." ( John 3:30). Our sanctification will bring this same attitude in us. Although God can never increase in any aspect of His Being, but our view and esteem for him will increasing grow in glory and our esteem for ourselves will lessen as we understand more fully how God deserves all the honor, glory, and praise, not us. It helps us understand why in John's vision in Revelation that the angels and elders would fall before the throne of God crying "Holy, Holy, Holy" continually. We will have that same esteem for Him. All to Jesus, holding nothing back for ourselves, knowing we have everything in Him anyway and will never lack for any good thing. How wonderful that will be.

Richard,

Very good exposition here. Thanks. In this life, we are, like Jesus, a little lower than the angels. But because we are in Christ and He conquered death, sin, the devil, and hell in his sacrificial death and resurrection and ascension to the right hand of the Father (which signifies dominion and authority over all things) we will reign with Him because we are in Him. We will in the next life be higher than the angels because of our position in Jesus. We will be like Jesus as a ruler, serving others. As you say, we will not be puffed up or full of ourselves concerning this ruling assignment. No, we will be humble, loving, and full of the Spirit.

When I think of angels (good and bad) I know that they are far above me and other humans in power and authority and many other abilities. We are not able to contend with evil angels in our own might or our own authority. We always must come to defend ourselves and stand against them in Christ Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit. These demonic angels will not listen or heed us unless we fight them in Christ Jesus. He is the our captain, our commander, our fortress, and deliverer. We must let Him take the forefront of every battle and when we come to stand against these evil angels, we are to do so as Michael is said to do, saying "The Lord rebuke you."

I love the Scripture that reminds us to not think too highly of ourselves than we ought to, but to think of ourselves soberly. ( Romans 12:3) I think this may be implying that we are to avoid being "drunk" on "pseudo-power trips". Humility is something that the devil and evil angels do not possess. They are filled with pride and arrogance and have deceived themselves into thinking that they have more power and authority that they really do have in relation to God. We ought not be like them in having a false sense of power and authority over them. Being humble is being Christ-like. Knowing that we do not deserve any honor is being realistic about ourselves before God

Reflections on heaven part 4

Ruling over angels.

We are told that we will rule over angels in scripture. ( Heb. 2:5-9). There are other passages in Hebrews that discuss how Christ was brought a little lower than the angels; however for His earthly ministry; and how they seek to learn the mysteries of God and salvation. It would be wise to examine the admonitions of Jude 1:9 however. In this present day we cannot even have the wrong attitude contending with the devil when God has allowed his authority for His purposes in this age. We indeed will rule and reign with Him; but clearly we won't have some puffed up superiority with angels assigned under us. These same angels now are "ministering spirits" ( Heb. 1:14) who are incognito only appearing when needed for a specific purpose without any additional fanfare. There are other verses on us judging angels; which I don't care to speculate on in this forum due to space constraints.

It was suggested in today's sermon that angels may be able to fill in what was going on that we couldn't see; or answer questions about how certain choices changed the course of events; etc. Surely we will learn more about specific ministries there; as well as between the differing ranks (Cherubim; and or beasts surrounding the throne; Archangels and others). Again; the angels that remained faithful were always drawing attention to God's glory and not themselves. Surely; that is how we will rule with Christ when He reigns in perfect righteousness; and settles disputes among nations ( Isaiah 2:4). There will be cities for us to rule over ( Luke 19:17) which someone could interpret as a figurative allegory but I see no reason why.

God has given His angels great power; such as the one assigned to kill 185,000 in a day ( 2 Kings 19:35). Since they are not puffed up over having that type of authority; we also will not be when because of adoption as sons we are exalted since Christ died for men and not angels.

I really got a lot out of 1 Tim chapter 3. I didn't know the Lord had qualifiers for the church elders. Very enlightening.

Reflections on heaven part 3 Our experiences

Today's sermon discussed aspects such as the verse saying that there is no more marriage in heaven. ( Mark 12:25). That seems cut and dry but everything else seemed to drift too much into what we enjoy here on earth (such as recreation; endless delicious meals etc.) My earlier comments reflected on service in heaven; which most believers in Christ should acknowledge (unlike those who don't look into the scriptures and think we are all floating on clouds someplace).

My issue is not that we won't have those pleasures in heaven; but again reflects what I said earlier that all the focus is on serving Him and rejoicing in Him. Christ surely has anticipated sitting down and drinking the "fruit of the vine" which He will do no more until He is in heaven with us ( Mark 14:25). That would presumably be at the Great supper of the Lamb but certainly could occur at other times as well. That surely does indicate that there will be fellowship among saints and Christ as well as with each other. There are also such things as unique names given to us that no one else knows but God and that person ( Rev. 2:17); and Revelation 19:10 also states the same for Christ Himself.

While it isn't necessarily wrong to reflect on what enjoyment of heaven will be like in our new Resurrection bodies; we shouldn't be so enamored with it that we drift away from rejoicing in the harvest; as well as the attributes of God. We also will be ruling and reigning on the earth; but won't be overtaken by all the unprecedented riches that the kings of the earth bring as tribute to the Lord. Heaven; of course will be ON earth (in terms of the heavenly city itself; that is). For God to restore His creation that surely also will be a thing to behold. Again; without salvation men's minds still won't be able to dissuaded from eventual rebellion despite 1000 years of material blessings on earth; since sin will still be present until the new earth.

Reflections on heaven part 2: Service toward God.

If we wish to separate those "would be" believers who desire to go to heaven but have no compulsion to serve God from those who already are His bondservants and just would be continuing what they started to practice here on earth we can evaluate their love for God and obedience to obey His commandments ( John 14:15). There are many shallow; foolhardy and at times downright blasphemous concepts of "love" today which permeate much of Christendom; particularly in the "music industry". The concept of obedience because of love seems a foreign concept today; especially in our nation. How many social issues could be deflected if that were the case of more children in their family upbringing for their parents today? Surely; there is more to His love than us being bondservants; as He calls us "friends." ( John 15:15 in the very next verse!) To serve to the length of our own hurt is surely seen in Christ's ministry; not the least of which of course was the crucifixion and all the sufferings beforehand. We often neglect the extent of the rest of His public ministry; where He wasn't even able to mourn the death of John the Baptist; despite making a deliberate attempt at retreat to be alone in a desert place with His chosen few. ( Matthew 14:13). While the Son of Man came to serve and not be served ( Mark 10:45) while on earth; He is certainly worthy to serve and exalt for all eternity for what He did for us. For Him to lift Himself up is not sinful like with the rest of His Creation.

True; there are "pleasures for evermore at His right hand" ( Psalm 16:11). This has to be balanced with the rest of our reverent service toward Him. The shallow; sentimental emotional "love" is at best a tepid version of the Spirit; at worst just a hyped up emotional mindset which is of the world; or comes from occult persuasion. Our emotions; mind; and soul must be incorporated into worship of God ( Mark 12:30).

Every thing the devil has taken from me I received it back anything that is damage in my body i declare repair it in Jesus Christ name Amen

Commentary on heaven

Today our church had the last of a series of messages about heaven and eternity. There were sufficient scriptural passages referred to make the basic point of the visual splendors of the great city; as well as all the ways we will find fulfillment there.

With reflection; however it would seem to me that we must be careful not to focus on the creation above the Creator. Lucifer; after all was a large part of the music worship and was clothed in splendor (see Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28). He would have seen all the ornate opulance of heaven itself along with the heavenly city in whatever state it was in prior to the time He had completed mansions for His people. Whether it existed for all eternity itself or was created at the dawn of time; we need to look at the Triune God Himself as being unique in character as well as superior to His created beings. Even the Word of God has patterns and inherent life in it's words which are suitable to cut to the marrow of soul and spirit ( Heb. 4:12).

We need to stop to reflect on the true nature of heavenly treasure; it is first and foremost meant to honor God; as well as being a place for His saints to dwell in; where there is nothing unclean entering into it and it is perfectly Holy. ( Rev. 21:27). It should be seen in the dirt villages and the prisons where humble servants who are saints of the Most High are serving the Lord by proclaiming the Good News. There; we can look into the eyes of believers and see Christ who through obedient service are gaining eternal blessings in treasures that cannot fade away ( Luke 12:33-34). Here; we see people who are sold out to Christ and have no desire to grasp onto things of this world. It is a process for some of us; but we must all produce good fruit and overcome the temptations of this life and ensnarement of the love of money; which only can occur when sealed with the Holy Spirit and living out what lives in our hearts. ( Eph. 1:13-14; Phil 2:12-13).

Why is god a jealous god

Does the Bible anything about difference between those who know the word verses those who obey or do the word (other than James)?

This is what have found so far: Two Books of the Bible, Ecclesiastes, which is within canonized Scripture, was written by King Solomon, and this is the New American Standard version; and Ecclesiasticus, from the Apocrypha or "hidden books", was written by a man named Jesus Sirach, and this is the King James version.

There are two tribulation's in the end times, The tribulation of Satan, and The Tribulation of Christ, which is The Day of The Lord, The Day of Wrath, The Day of Vengeance Luke 21:22 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who is

able to stand?" Revelation 6:17

The word STAND in the verse is asked as a question for a reason, asking Who will make the First Resurrection as it does in Psalms 1:5 where the ungodly will not.

i am glad that the lord loves me and all people

Why is the book of Ecclesiastes in the King James bible have only 12 chapters and The king James Standard version has 51 chapters please explain this situation thanks .

Hello Giannis

Much of the punishments in Revelation are noted AFTER the day of wrath is mentioned in Rev 6:17 which is when Christ returns and raptures his saints before pouring out his wrath on the unbelievers. So, it is my belief that the saints will have been raptured before those punishments are poured out on the earth.

The bible does not say that there will be a pretribulation rapture, so neither should we.

Applying this notion to the word of God only causes confusion.

Paul says that we must through much tribulation enter the kingdom of God.

Whatever happens in the world can only happen when God permits it. So we cannot say that he is oblivious to the persecution of his people. He allows it and sanctions it so that his people can be tested

God has often punished his people with war and famine because of their unbelief and rebellion.

But even a righteous man like Job can be sorely tested at God's discretion.

The great tribulation will be a time of great apostasy where there will be false prophets and false Christs who would deceive even the elect if it were possible. Even today there is increasing apostasy in the church so the church will be tested by God during the great tribulation.

Paul says that before Christ returns to gather his saints that there must first be an apostasy and that the man of sin must be revealed sitting in the holy place. 2nd Thessalonians 2, 1-6

There is no 'age of grace' mentioned in the bible. God has always been gracious and long suffering towards his people.

Psalms 145:8

The LORD is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy.

But he also judges his people and can punish them for their disobedience and their rebellion. When God brings a famine or war the righteous and the unrighteous may suffer together.

So, God's people will suffer persecution and famine during the great tribulation, but Christ will rapture his saints on the "day of his wrath" before He pours out his wrath on the unbelievers.

one of the bigger laws of physic is that energy can not be created or destroyed, So where did it come from? It had to always existed. Can you imagine there being nothing, not even energy. I can't. So I have to accept that it all started, with energy. So what is GOD if not energy and obviously that energy must be good; and energy can create matter; and in the beginning, God created Heaven and earth and his spirit, his energy, moved upon the face of the earth; and He created man and man became a Living soul, living energy; and He talked with Adam; but Adam sinned and took the power to tell right from wrong, Adam's mind; and so we are living soul with a mind. Now a search on the internet confuses and speculated how the the soul and mind are the same; but it is not according to me and I think the Bible if you tke it in sequence.