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Another comparison of two Bibles. The KJB and the Niv.

The KJB ( Col. 1:14) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.

(The KJB says we have redemption ((THROUGH HIS BLOOD))

The Niv (Col, 1:14) Says "In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins".

(The Niv leaves out the words "through his blood".)

That should be a really big deal to all Christians who are seeking the True Word of God. Do you honestly think this version could be the Inspired Word of God?

The KJB ( 1 Tim. 3:16) This verse tells us "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh"

(The KJB says ((God was manifest in the flesh))

The Niv (1 Tim, 3:16) Says "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body"

The Niv says "He appeared in a body"

(The Niv completely takes away the words "God was manifest in the flesh" and says "He appeared in a body")

The KJB (Lu. 2:33) "And Joseph and his mother marveled at those things which were spoken of him" (This verse is speaking of Jesus, so the KJB the True Word of God says ((Joseph)) and his mother.

The Niv (Lu, 2:33) Says "The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him" The Niv is saying Joseph was the father of Jesus Christ. Is it not? Do you trust this Niv book? I don't even want to call it a Bible!



The KJB has the word (hell) in it 54 times.

The Niv has the word (hell) in it 15 times.

The KJB has the word (devil) in it 106 times.

The Niv has the word (devil) in it 33 times..

So the Niv removes the word hell 39 times.

And the Niv removes the word devil 73 times.

Do you see the difference in the Truly Inspired Words of the LORD, and the words of men?

The Truth matters!

Wow Gigi.

I didn't know Mishael was ill.

Sad to hear that.

Thank you.

God bless.

MountHoreb,

I believe I have read that archeology has only found proof of the written language of the Hebrew people as far back as 1000 BC. I have 'heard' by the voice of a man that there were no 'Vs' in the early 'block' Hebrew language. So I can assume that modern man has come up with 'Yahweh." When Moses received the Ten Commands, He said to God, 'what am going to say', when the people ask, 'who sent me'? God answered,

'I Am that I Am. The ditopology of I Am that I Am in the Hebrew is 'E H Y H' or the name spelled in English, J e H o Y a H.

There is not a 'J' in the Hebrew alphabet, so The Divine Name is spelled Y e H o Y a H.

According to E. W. Bullinger's, Companion Bible (KJV) God's Divine Name was hidden 'Five times' in the book of Esther. Two times forward, two times backward, and one time I Am that I Am. The reason it was hidden was to protect the bloodline of Christ. Each time it is hidden in the Acrostic, it should be in all capital letters, such as Esther 1:20, "ALL THE WIVES SHALL GIVE."

There is a lot to be understood here.

Please pray for wisdom, blessings, and clarity for Marc Perry. In Jesus name.

Hello S. Spencer and Jema.

I remember Mishael saying he was ill in the weeks before he stopped posting. He was very committed to participating here and so I continue to pray for him.

We miss him and T. Levi's and Suze, and Bro Dan, and Dr. Lee, and many other we have not heard from on here for some time.

It is good to keep praying for them when they come to mind.

You're welcome Jema.

And thank you.

As for T Lewis and Mishael,

I believe T Lewis left the site and dropped in a little while ago if I'm not mistaken, but Mishael just stopped posting and responding all of a sudden and never returned.

That is shocking considering the commitment.

Blessings

Hello Primalesque.

Jesus by calling Peter a satan tried to show Peter what a serious fault it is for one to oppose God's work in humanity for salvation. Anybody who does that is a satan, figuratively. Because it is satan who tries to stop God's work on people. Salvation has nothing to do with feelings. Jesus doesn't place His feelings for Peter infront of mankind's salvation. At that time Peter was an obstacle on Jesus way to the cross. Often newly saved christians are opposed by their families to follow Jesus. But they have to follow Jesus and not their feelings for their family. Because if they follow their feelings they will loose what they have earned and they won't be able to lead their families to salvation either. GBU

Pt 3, Chris

Similarly in Samaria and in Ephessus.

Cornelious and his own people got Spirit baptised before getting water baptised. Paul was also baptised in water after he was baptised in Spirit. So it actually seems that baptism in Spirit may occur before or after water baptism.

But definitely after believing, with the exception of Cornelius where it seems that believing and baptism occured at the same time. So Spirit baptism may occur simultaneously with new birth but also after new birth. Why? Because they are different things.

But definitely it can not occur before new birth. There is a verse in Galatians 4:6, "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father." Here it says that God sends His Spirit to people because as it says, you are sons ALREADY, not because you will become sons in the future.

Finally we see that during that early age ALL believers were baptised in God's Spirit. The apostles urged people to receive the Spirit. That is shown in Samaria where with no delay at all the apostles went there to lay hands on believers, it is shown in Ephessus where the very first question Paul asked those disciples was if they had received the Spirit AFTER they believed, it is shown in Paul himself when he received the Spirit as soon as he saw again etc. So in the ancient times there was an urgency that all believers should be Spirit baptised. That is why in all the epistles the apostles wrote they talk to people who are Spirit baptised. But this is not the case with many of today's christians who assume they have the Spirit dwelling in them just because they are tought it is so but it actually isn't so.

Chris, would you ever think of starting asking God in your prayer to give you His Spirit with an external manifestation? What would you think if you started talking in unknown languages? Would you then believe me that it is so? I know I can not convince you that I am right but God can certainly do that.

GBU

Pt 2 Ghris

2. Spirit Baptism.

Tongues on Pentecost, in the case of Cornelius, in Ephessus. In Samaria although the text doesn't reveal anything about external signs, Simon the sorcerer must had seen something happening, otherwise he wouldn't try to bribe the apostles. He saw or heard something. ...?...

THE WAY NEW BIRTH AND SPIRIT BAPTISM OCCUR

1. New Birth

Going back to that discussion Jesus said that new birth occurs by the "water" and the "Spirit'. Now about the Spirit it is clear it means God's Spirit. Water?

Ephessians 6:26, "That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,"

Peter 1:23, "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

Also James 1:18, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

So when one hears the living Word of God, that Word produces repentance in their heart and desire for a new clean life with Jesus, then next the Spirit of God regenerates their heart.

2. Spirit Baptism.

On Pentecost during praying.

In Cornelious' case when hearing the Word of God. This is the only case that matches with the way new birth occurs.

In Samaria when the apostles laid hands on believers. Similarly in Ephessus. Similarly in Paul himself.

In Luke 11:11-13, "...if ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?". So when we ask God in prayers to baptize us in His Spirit.

WHEN?

When Peter preached to Jews on Pentecost He clearly places Spirit Baptism after believing and getting water baptised, Acts 2:38, "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Also verse 41 says that all of them got water baptised afterwards.

Pt 1. Hello Chris

Thank you for your response. I will make some comments and leave this subject, unless you would like us to keep on.

Firstly I can not accept the idea that things used to be otherwise in the early times of the church than nowadays. In such a case the Bible does not serve as a ruler to compare things with the Truth of God's Word. In the case that things change anybody can claim anything and nobody can check if something is right or not. This is not to offend you but it is something I firmly believe.

I do accept the change in your life. In John 1416-18, Jesus said to His disciples, "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for HE DWELTH WITH YOU, and shall be in you.". That is how the apostles were clean. It was the Spirit who worked in them, although it didn't dwell IN them, He actually dwelt WITH them. So the Spirit works in the heart of a born again person, although He may not dwell in them.

But lets take it from the begining

EXTERNAL MANIFESTATION OF NEW BIRTH AND SPIRIT BAPTISM

1. New Birth

In that famous discussion between Jesus and Nicodemus, Jesus explained how new birth occurs, John 3:5-8, "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

Jesus said that we can not know how new birth occurs, there is nothing to show that a person is saved, not any external sign but only their life (this doesn't mean that one can not leave their good course later on)

I'm sorry, but scriptures like this make me wonder if Jesus was anything more than a very kind and wise philosopher. It contradicts his own teachings. Calling your friend "Satan" because they don't want you to die?! Even if Jesus' death was ultimately good for us, there's no way Peter could have truly known that. I guess even Jesus could be in a cranky mood sometimes.

All "the things of God" are about loving other PEOPLE. We can only manifest our love for God through our treatment of each other. It's too convenient to "put God first" in a vacuum where you never have to ACT on that love. God cannot die; people can. God cannot starve; people can. God doesn't reproduce; humans do. God doesn't take up space or dillute resources we may want for ourselves; people do. Many "things of men" ARE things of God, like marriage, brotherhood, charity, medicine, math and language, and much more. Things that help us fulfill Godly ambitions, not things we designed for our own pleasure and convenience.

Hate to sound like I'm arguing with Jesus. Maybe he was referring to something else about Peter that isn't mentioned there, I don't know. Just don't see how it could be "Satanic" to warn your dearest friend away from a brutal death. Especially if you don't know that their death will be good for everyone else. In that case, Judas should be considered a hero for turning on him.

2 Timothy 3:16,17 What do you all think?

Yes thanks

Galatians 6:9

2 Timothy 3:16,17

Like your reply,

Galatians 6:9

2 Timothy 3:16,17

Beautiful reply,

Galatians 6:9

Matthew 24 Doesn't have to do with the eclipse that you where referring to. but Jesus did talk about

the end of times. of course he was talking here about Jerusalem's temple at that time which did happened. but this scripture event continues into our day until Jesus comes. as you read this scripture; you read the signs Jesus was talking about would happen and compare it to pass centuries and today? also Jesus talked about his appearance ( Matthew 24:30) after these things (verse 4-14) will be accomplished. After that Great Tribulation of the destruction of Jerusalem (verse 29,30) The son of man which is Jesus will appear ( Matthew 24:14).

Jesus hasn't yet came. but we still see war (verse 6) but the end is not yet! (verse 36)

I'm not sure if I've ever seen Yahavah before. can you show me where the particular verse in the book of Esther.

I know Yahweh (YHWH/) is Jehovah in Hebrew. Thank

Well said Pierre,

Would have been my reply also.

Please let me correct you, who you are replying to. It's S. Spencer.

MountHoreb,

I am in agreement with these answers you've been given. If I may add a little bit of information and share some Greek word understanding:

It says, for consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself,



The word consider is a Greek word where we get our English word analog, or analyze from. It is an educational term for what a student does with their books and materials as they are preparing for a test.



So don't just look at Jesus, let's analyze Him, the one who endured the cross. He endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself, lest you be wearied and faint in your minds.



So he's introducing us to the fact that while we're running the race, we're going to become weary. If you've ever participated in a sporting event, after a while, you're going to get weary.



No matter what athletic event you're doing, you're going to experience some tiredness, weary.



So analyze Jesus, His suffering that He experienced by sinners against Himself, lest you be wearied. And it is interesting because there's really only one statement here instead of two, lest you be wearied by fainting in your minds.



So the last phrase is what is called a Modal Participle. It describes what wearied means. Lest you be wearied by becoming faint in your minds. It's the word PSEUCHE, which means Psyche.



So let's analyze Him. Let's look to Jesus.

Does anyone have any info on why T.Levis and Mishael don't post any more ?

Thanks S.Spencer , I spend quite a bit of time going through the older posts so I'm guessing that's why your post are so familiar to me , I've been reading you and a few others recently but they are older posts :) keep it up please .

Dear Rojofox

I will be praying for you and your husband today. May you find at the end of this day that God has answered to your needs in grand ways.

Dear Ttrob22,

I have prayed for you. I ask that the Lord will soon help you in you situation I ask that He will do what is miraculous to get you into a safe and comfortable place to live. I ask that the Lord will move people t be kind and compassionate towards you and assist you in you needs. I ask all these things in the name of Jesus. Amen.

Dear Dearemi,

I have prayed for Jonathan's father. I ask that the Lord cover him n this surgery and that it is successful. I ask that this man do well in recovery after surgery. I ask that the Lord keep him free of complications. I ask all this in the name of Jesus, our Lord. Amen.

Dear RicoUS

I have prayed for those you mentioned. I will continue to hold up your neice and sister in prayer.

Prayers for Brother Jonathan's father as he went into surgery.

I am currently homeless please pray god would make things better esatablish a home and bed under my head in jesus name amen! thank you

Please pray for me and husband to have a great day. Also pray for my husband health. God bless you all .

Paul is writing a letter to the Galatians, Corinthians, Ephesians, etc, etc...But why everybody is reading especially the Americans when it wasn't intended for them..? I'm just curious ;)

S Steven....You are not realizing what Peter is saying in Acts 2:34....David is dead and his grave is with us till today...This 2nd Samuel 7:12 is prophetic that Christ is gonna sit on Davids throne....And its the Child that comes out of Christ loins that is gonna reign for ever and ever...Which is the H.G. That Child of Promise....When Jesus breath on them his breathe was his words which are his seeds...That what Peter is trying to tell us in Acts 2:34...For David is not ascended into the heavens but he saith himself the Lord said unto my lord sit thou at my right till i make your foes your footstool....This 2 nd Samuel is telling us that a special Son is gona come out of DAVIDS LOINS...That is gonna reign forever and ever....But Solomon died at 58 hardly reigning for ever....But solomon was allowed to build the temple...And Psalms 89 is also telling us that Christ is gonna reign for ever but it Uses the name of DAVID INSTEAD OF Christ...I will make him my 1st born higher then the Kings of the earth....Thats prophetic of Christ, Gods 1st born in the flesh....David was not a 1st born....But all thru the 89th Psalm instead of saying the lord it refers to David as the lord....Thats how God hid this great secret that a very special son was gonna come out of Christ loins...Which is to the H.G. that is gona reign for ever...The manchild that is gonna rule all nations Rev. 12:5 is prophetic of that great promise that a special son that is gona come out of Christ loins....It was his seed his word that impregnated the woman in Rev 12 :5 Resulting in her Child that is gona reign and rule FOREVER.

....Fulfilling 2 nd Samuel 7-12....And the 89 th Psalms.... Acts 2 :34...Thats what Peter was trying to tell all the ppl its not David that is ascended into heaven...His tomb is with us till today...Its Christ and his son the H.G. that Child of Promise that is gonna rule and reign for ever..The Kingdom does not come till the woman births the manchild that is gonna rule all forever..