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The words of the LORD are pure words. Every word of God is pure. EVERY WORD IS PURE!
You say the rapture or Resurrection event is at or near the first seal. Can you please provide the verses that prove that to be true?
It seems that pre-tribulation rapture believers are reading things into Scripture that are not clearly written in Scripture. God is not the author of confusion.
The final revival you mentioned as being ( Rev 7:9) comes during great tribulation, ( Rev 7:14) shows us that.
All who believe in Jesus Christ will have everlasting life, when will this everlasting life start? At the return of Jesus Christ in the clouds for His true Believers ( 1 Thess 4:16-17)
( Jn 3:36) Tells us believers in the Son hath everlasting life, and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.
God's wrath is poured out on ALL non-believers who will be left on the earth, they are also called the children of disobedience in ( Eph 5:6) and ( Col 3:6)
Seeing the great tribulation and the wrath of God as the same time period only causes confusion. They are not the same!
( Mt 24:29-31) Tells us the Son of man comes in the clouds to gather together His elect, this event is the rapture. And it clearly happens after the tribulation.
I do not mean to offend Richard but the Truth matters as we are living the time of the Lastdays now.
The belief that we will be taken out before the tribulation period will not allow us to be prepared for the tough times of deception and of testing that are sure to come in the near future. That belief will also cause many to be deceived by the antichrist when he comes disguised as Jesus Christ sitting in the temple of God shewing himself that he is God. ( 2 Thess 2:3-4) Many will fall away! There will be great deception during this time period ( 2 Cor 11:14)
The great day of the LORD is the return of Jesus Christ ( Zephaniah 1:14-18) That day is a day of wrath for non-believers.
Blessings to you.
I agree with you, and you are not alone. My understanding, the soul is a living being human or animal. We see this first in Genesis 1:20 the word creature is the Hebrew word nephesh meaning a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, and emotion. Genesis 2:7 By the breath of life Adam became a living soul, not given a soul.
The breath of life is our spirit given to us by God for when this breath leaves us, we are a dead soul, asleep. This breath, our spirit is what goes back to God, every man or woman regardless of faith, Ecclesiastes 12:7. In Scripture the dead are in the grave, not in heaven or hell and it is called sleep, Deuteronomy 31:16 Job 17:13-16 and many more.
We have an earnest of the Spirit a downpayment, we are sealed, so, we are sealed until when? Until redemption, 2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Ephesians 4:30 1 Corinthians 15:51-55, resurrection for those elects, chosen, and faithful we see in Rev 17:14 and Rev. 20:4-6. This is when we will be absent from this mortal body and be with the Lord.
The soul is who we are, and our conscience is the recorder of our life that is in the books that are open for the rest of the dead not in the first resurrection, Rev. 20:11-15, The ones written in the book of life will receive their glorified bodies and the rest will be cast into the lake of fire.
My understanding from my studies is the immortal soul and the meaning of death being a separation of the soul from the body does not come from scripture it comes from the Greek philosophers Socrates, 400 BC, Plato, and Aristotle. Later Augustine 354-430 AD adopted it, teaching death meant the destruction of the body, but the conscious soul would continue to live in either a blissful state with God or an agonizing state of separation from God.
Just a little, if the soul, that is who we are is immortal, that means death does not exist.
God bless,
RLW
My earlier segment started discussion on the concept of the state of a soul determining the experience of the time in the Tribulation. Thus; the sufferings that the 144,000 go through (possibly allegorically stated in Matthew 25:36-40) would be still better than that of the unregenerate. They are protected from the judgments during much of the trumpet judgments because of the seal of God ( Rev. 7:3); although subject to imprisonment; famine and thirst. They will be given endurance whether living or dying (can't clearly tell) until they appear before God ( Rev. 7:16). The rest of the world; however by the sixth seal will be terrified ( Rev. 6:12-17). Contrast this with the state of the two prophets in Rev. 11:1-14. Death is swift and there is no fear of what comes thereafter for the saved; for the lost there is of course no peace ( Isaiah 57:21).
I am not attempting to minimize the appalling conditions which come by the unsealing of the seals by Jesus Himself for anyone; but am stating that our spiritual condition determines if we are in terror of God; or are a centerpiece of displaying His glory despite going through the fire at the time of Jacob's sorrow (see Jeremiah 30:7 and surrounding verses for that description).
Now; going back to the Rapture and Resurrection event at or near the first seal event. Matthew 25:1 COULD be thought of as representing those who are either not walking in the Spirit or unsaved. A key verse is at the end in verse 12. Does it mean Christ doesn't KNOW us intimately (know you not) mean the same thing as Matt. 7:21-23 where He NEVER knew us; or could it signify a church like the Ephesians who forget their first love ( Rev. 2:4)? Other interpretations exist-we will leave it there.
No matter who misses the Rapture and is left behind it seems clear is too late to be part of the Bride of Christ ( Eph. 5:27). Nonetheless there will be the final revival in that time ( Rev. 7:9).
We all go through times of busyness where we must concentrate on accomplishing certain things for our good and the good of others. We also go through times that try us in many ways, such as this matter of the inheritance and the relations between family members you are going through. Stay strong in the Lord and determine to do what is right and good in this situation.
But again, we all have times of rest, were all is good and we can be refreshed daily by the Lord as we spend much time in the Word, in prayer, and in meditating on the things concerning God and His ways. We walk in open fellowship with the Lord and converse with Him often throughout the day. These are wonderful periods of time when God brings renewal in our walk of faith as well as respite from the cares of this life.
Yet it is not just one or the other, God has our lives cycle through these and other times such as intense movements of the Holy Spirit upon us to act or pray or fast or seek Him more deeply. In these times God is shaping us into the image of our Savior, renewing our minds to align with the mind of Christ, and in sufferings where we offer up our pain as petitions on the behalf of others who are suffering, focusing our minds and hearts on others above our own pain. Thus, we share in the sufferings of Christ as Paul states in Phil. 3:7 and elsewhere. We are His workmanship created anew in Christ to desire and do the will of the Father in all manner of acts, thoughts, motives, and words, all for the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Free, please check in with us often, as doing so reminds us to pray for you and others who post on here.
:( . The more mystery people try to attach to it , the more suspicious I become . God doesn't contradict Himself . I shall try to look at those things you suggested but I only have internet on my phone , thanks , stay strong in the Truth .
You will be amazed!
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God Bless you Jema, and all who seek His Truth.
18 A Standard lifted up
Concerning what works are accepted of God, and what works are not accepted brought forth by the Creature.
Whatsoever work man is moved and led unto by the Spirit of God, and guided and ruled in the practice of, to speak or act whatsoever by the same Spirit (which moves and leads into all the works of righteousness, and not into any evil) this is acceptable in the sight of the Lord, and these works are well pleasing to him: where the Lord goes before, and is the leader in all things, and this man and his works who is led with the Spirit of the Father is justified and accepted of God, and not for the creatures sake, who respects not the person of any but for his own Name sake, because they are wrought in him through faith, and is moved unto, and guided in by his own Spirit, and they arise from Gods righteousness revealed in the creature, and not from the righteousness of the creature, for man being changed and replanted into the living Vine, and the root being good, every work which springiest forth from it is good also, and accepted of God, because the root is so: But whatsoever works are brought forth by any creature, though the same in appearance which are accepted of God from another, yet not being moved unto
and accepted of God, because the root is so: But whatsoever works are brought forth by any creature, though the same in appearance which are accepted of God from another, yet not being moved unto, nor guided in by the Spirit of the Father, but brought forth in the will and wisdom of the creature, which is from below, and acted in imitation from the Saints words; these works are not accepted and well pleasing unto God, but is offence unto him, and sin against him, even the sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination unto him, and if a man come before the Lord with thousands of Rams, and ten thousand of Rivers of Oils, and if he give the fruit of his body for the sin of the soul, and cover the Altar with tears, and is not led with a measure of Gods Spirit, none of all these works are accepted; nor his preaching, praying baptism, nor breaking of bread, nor any other observances towards God whatsoever, are not good in his sight but evil, and to be contented, and the root from whence they spring; because man is in the enmity against him, and not changed out of the old root, nor in that state is not led with the holy Spirit of the Father; and the root being bad, the branches are evil, and none are accepted of God in any thing which they perform towards him, but such as are in Christ Jesus, the second Adam, and such are new creatures, so that it is not for the creatures sake that any work is accepted of, or offence against God, but only for his Name sake, and because of being guided, or not of being guided with the measure of Gods pure Spirit: Therefore is man and his works good and accepted; or evil and not regarded, but condemned of God.
When viewing the Tribulation to come; we can tend to be locked into a matter of fact chronological and literal reciting of events; even keeping the proper concepts of Christ's eventual return to rule and reign in glory and defeat the Antichrist and False Prophet as well as to judge the world when He returns. This is a necessary undergirding for the message; but often people seem to have a sense of morbid curiousity; or feeling that there is a random series of events that occur and resigning themselves to the idea that no real design or logic can be given to explain them.
Perhaps the biggest thing that is ignored i that there are concurrent things going on depending on the spiritual state of individuals. Purpose #1 for the Tribulation would be to finally get Israel to acknowledge their King; but first as Isaiah 10 and 11 demonstrate they will embrace the "Assyrian" who God uses to chastise them until thy realize at the last minute is their ultimate betrayer. Thus; we have the rather shocking contrast between the indestructible 2 Prophets as well as protected 144,000 compared to the rest of society. Whatever their struggles are they will hold great power until the Beast from the Abyss destros them (2 Prophets) and the 144,000 appear in heaven. Once God's purposes are done for Israel; He will deal with the rest of the nations which is purpose #2.
God will use the Tribulation to bring the final fulfillment of Joel 2 for the nations; but of course it involves individuals; some of which will be saved and others who are lost. Once the world is ripe for judgment there are prophecies such as Isaiah 17 that will come to fruition; many of which complete judgments against rebel nations and certain descendants laid out in the O.T.
Revelation is the "Grand Central Station" of the final conflagration and what all other scripture leads up to.
I hope to cover some of this in detail shortly.
First of all music is basically more of a spiritual thing (whether good or bad) than anything else; no wonder with Lucifer's ministry as stated in Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28. God has used music to repel armies and send angelic hosts of protection through the songs in Psalms and other scriptures. I have put forth the concept of how ANY music that is secular CAN have a demonic attachment; the obvious being things that sound evil which of course set forth men on violent outbursts and perhaps the more dangerous being things that have hypnotic sounds; and/or cause feelings of love; suicide and other self destructive behavior. The allurement of humanism; and some sense that our affections apart from Christ are inherently good is something unregenerate man is drawn into and hence ensnared and powerful enough to drown men in perdition if they are not in the Lamb's Book of Life.
Our relationships of course manifest what seems right to a man (which of course leads to death). I had a dream that I want to incorporate into this concept. I believe that we can do no good and man is inherently evil but don't feel that I need to push it for God will reveal it to His own. The enemy; of course wants us to think we are missing out on something but always has some poison in with his temptations. What is truly sad is that God's pure and perfect love is dulled out in our minds when we chase these carrots. SOMETHING IS WRONG IN US if His presence isn't overwhelming our soul whenever we seek Him. Sadly that is my own experience.
Hope it was ok sharing some of this stuff. Be Ephesians 6 prepared this battlefield isn't child's play.
Agape.
Romans 1. Love you all
Since I had about 6 people contact me from my church I am confident the Lord is going to work mightily there in time; as to my own walk matures perhaps I am in an intense season of testing.
You are certainly appreciated; only the Lord can ultimately console me in these valleys. Trying to put into words some of this stuff is hard. It did seem there was literally a Satanist near my room at thehospital as well as other strange goings on. Still the Lord revealed to me a couple Christians as it seems if someone is a believer I just ask and get a positive response.
The enemy has tried as hard as he can to continue to have me love myself and the world but I have resisted things for quite some time so apparently he is angry.
That's it for now. I guess all this helps me to focus on what I say but saddens me that it seems I am still lost sometimes; I don't have dreams of anything of the Lord it seems. I have gotten pretty adept when for instance I dream of some beautiful woman not to be drawn in and enticed; the mind of Christ thankfully taking command over the flesh.
SOrry don't want to be too long here. It is almost laughable to me how some act like our state ( Jer. 17:9) isn't utterly hopeless without Christ. We need to trust God that whatever He has no matter how uninteresting it seems compared to the enemies bait is indeed worthwhile and joyful in the end.
Anyway hopefully I will have worthy; not worthless words in further commentaries and live by example.
Agape; Rich P
I don't see where the verses you referenced conflict in any way with what I said or the verses I quoted.
If God has "saved" us, i.e. we have become Born Again, we will ENDURE TO THE END. We will have an earnest ongoing desire to be obedient to the Law of God and we will more and more turn away from sin in our life; not in order that God will "save" us, but because we have a "want to" in our Soul to obey Him.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Then God will COMPLETE our Salvation at the Last Day when we receive our Resurrected Spiritual Bodies.
Here are some other verses for your consideration:
John 3:3-8 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
The soul and spirit are separated at death!
The spirit is what goes to be with God, the soul goes to the grave.
Heb 4:12 Tells us "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the ((dividing)) asunder ((of soul and spirit)), and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart".
The word (dividing) is #3311; it means a separation, to part, to disunite, differ, difference between.
This clearly tells us the soul and spirit will be separated, disunited, there is difference between them.
The spirit goes to be with God who gave it (Eccle 12:7) ( 2 Cor 5:8) This spirit is what Christ brings back with Him in ( 1 Thess 4:14)
The soul goes to the grave ( Ps 44:25) ( Ps 49:15) ( Ps 89:48) and in ( Acts 2:27) The word (hell) in this verse is #86; it means the place or state of departed souls.
The soul will rise from the grave at the return of Christ to meet the Lord in the air ( Jn 5:28-29) ( 1 Thess 4:13-17) and be reunited with the spirit that returns with Christ.
This is not my opinion David but it is the truth from Scripture.
If this is not Biblically correct then please show where it is not correct. If it is correct then please accept it as it is the Truth.
We should all see truth when presented with truth, IF we are being led by the Holy Spirit, Right?
I do not mean to offend anyone, but we are very quickly running out of time.
The Truth matters!
Blessings to you and all who seek His Truth!
Concerning Faith, this testimony I give unto the World.
Faith is the gift of God, and by it Christ is received and enjoyed; it is the substance of things hoped for, and the very evidence of things not seen, gives the creature to believe God in all what he hath promised, all that which is acted and spoken in it, is well pleasing unto God, and that which is done without sin; it is the strength of the creature to act for God, in all things it is that whereby the world is overcome, and all the powers of hell and death, it is the armor against the Devil, and the defense of all the children of God, by it they overcome all their enemies, and through it they reign over all the world, it carries through all sufferings and tribulations with joy and patience: Faith is an act of God in the creature, through it peace and righteousness and the crown of life is received from God, by Faith all things are received that are received of God by any of his children: He that hath Faith sees and feels the Lords presence at all times, and through Faith we do and suffer gladly for the name of Christ in all things, and this is thus far our testimony given by the Spirit of the Father, of these things of which we have received the knowledge from God, who hath given us his treasure, and we have this treasure in earthen vessels, even the knowledge of these things which are eternal, which is not our own, but the Lords to give forth according to his moving's, and of those things have we handled, tasted and felt.
Concerning the new Covenant, and how man comes to the knowledge of God, this testimony I give.
The Covenant of God is unity betwixt God and man, and a binding each to other to serve each other, the one is bound to obey, and submit, and worship; and the other to blesse, and keep, and lead, and preserve; this Covenant is established with his own seed for ever, and there is no teacher but God, all is taught of him, from the least to the greatest, who are in this Covenant, his just Law is written in their heart to condemn all transgression, and his pure Spirit is put into the inward parts, to be the rule and guide of life in all things, and none need to say know the Lord, but all knows him in the Spirit, and worships him, and obeys him, and follows him in spirit, and in truth, and such are come into peace and reconciliation and God and the Covenant with Hell and death is broken: and in this Covenant, there is no Priest nor offering but Christ Jesus the high Priest of God, the one offering for sin, he takes away sin and makes intercession, and in it is no temple, but our bodies are the temple of God, and he dwells in us, and walks in us, and there is no circumcision but the circumcision of the heart, which is the putting away of all the uncleanness of the flesh, nor in it there is no means of salvation but Christ the only way the truth and the life, and none comes to the Father but by him, he declares of the Father and there is no light but the light of the Lamb, all that are saved shall walk in the light of the Lamb, and there shall be no need of any other light, no need of the light of the Sun, nor of the Moon, nor of a candle, but the Lord is unto them an everlasting
light, and God alone is their glory, and this Covenant is for ever, and cannot alter nor change, but is sure unto the seed of his own inheritance, but he that is born of the flesh hath no part in it, who is shut out from the knowledge of God, who is not known to the wisdom of this World, which is foolishness' with God; and the knowledge of God is received no other way but only by the revelation of Jesus Christ, and by the working of the Spirit of the Father in the heart, he opens the blind eye, and unstops the deaf ear, and changes the heart, and causes it to understand, and he removes that which hath stood in the way betwixt God and the creature, which hath caused ignorance in the creature, that the Lord could not be seen nor perceived. Christ Jesus the second Adam lighteth every man and all mankind that cometh into the world with the true light, but some hates the light, and they will not come to the light, least their deeds should be reproved, and their deeds are evil, and they are in a condemned estate, and such cannot receive Christ nor the knowledge of God, but such who love the light with which Christ hath enlightened them, they bring all their deeds to the light, and walks in the light, and their deeds are wrought in God never to be condemned, and such as loves the light receives Christ and the knowledge of God, which is eternal life, and none comes to the knowledge of God, and of Christ any other way but through the light of Christ, and by the operation of the Spirit of God, and evil is condemned out of the heart, and the heart is made clean by the word of God, and the knowledge of God is received into the clean heart, and nor into the impure, for without holiness none shall see God; nor ever come to the knowledge of him, neither can the knowledge of God be received by the traditions of men or any outward observance in the will of man, but only by the teachings of the eternal Spirit, is the living God known in the creature
Concerning all creatures that God made, this testimony I give unto all the World.
ALL creatures that God made in their creation and beginning was very good in his sight that made them, and unto man that was to use them, and no creature was evil or defiled in its creation, but mankind transgressing against his Maker, he became evil, and did evil in the sight of the Lord, and he being possessed with evil and corrupted, he makes all creatures evil in his exercise of them, and he corrupts them and perverts them to another end than wherefore they were created, and by the creatures, dishonors the Creator, who should have honored him by them, and they are become a curse unto man and not a blessing, though in themselves are neither cursed, nor evil, nor defiled, but is become so unto man, because of his transgression and disobedience; for he being in the curse and defiled, all things are so unto him, and in his exercise of them he is wicked, abusing them upon the lust to satisfy his devilish mind, and ruling over them in oppression and cruelty, and hard heartedness, and not in the wisdom of