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Sparkie73,

I would like to say yes, but I can't provide any scripture that specifically mentions babies or children under 12 years of age. There are places in scripture that would cause us to believe that God has a special affection for children. That's why I tend to believe they would also be taken. But again, I can't prove that by scripture.

Please pray for Christine who has stage 4 bone cancer and is in pain. Pray also for newborn Kayleigh who has only one kidney and has other problems and her special needs brother Gavin. We are praying that Jesus will heal them. God bless!

A men Plus a few other good songs.. Plumbs "Need you now" & Zach Williams & Dolly Pardons "There was Jesus". How are you doing today? Pray heavenly Father has blessed you with strength & the ability to change your mind from the other day. Prayers for you & yours.

When the church is raptured will the babies and children 12 and under be raptured also? Please give book, chapter and verse.

You're welcome Gigi.

God bless you.

Oh I didn't want to cause tears ! Wanted to cause a smile ! It saddens me when people think that all Christians must fit into a certain mould and if they don't then they are ostracized or made to feel like an outsider . We are allowed to be different ! We are allowed to have different personalities and feelings and opinions , we are in fact , all of us , unique ! And that's how God made us . 1st Corinthians chapter 12 . We are all in the process of being moulded , by our Maker , into acceptable beings , not robots . God puts us in very specific individual places and circumstances in order to give us certain experiences and knowledge , that He knows we need to learn , in order for us to grow spiritually . Never fear Texsis , He has His eye on you every second of every day . You will come through your trials like gold , Daniel chapter 12 verse 10 .

Thank you S. Spencer, for such a reasonable explanation.

Jacinda,

It doesn't seem so. Reading through John 12:37-43, this is the prophecy of Isaiah being fulfilled. It tells us that they could not believe because God had blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts. God did that to them. They were not His sheep. They had no response. So He blinded them so they could not come.

Some of the leaders actually believed in Jesus Christ as Messiah. But because they knew the Pharisees took everyone that believed, and excommunicated them, they didn't confess Him.

John 12:43 gives us the reason. Notice it doesn't say they love the praise of God, it says they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. They had a choice!

Grace is the love of God toward mankind! We have been redeemed by the precious blood of the lamb. Even so, you and I are justified by faith. We must have faith ! I saw a picture of the sheep that was lost and his wool had grown to 70 pounds! He was lost for a while! After he was shaved, He had new life. A new beginning if you will! Not unlike the parodical son, or the lost sheep!

We will fail, we will fall, but we must get up and do it all over again! This is His will that we might know the forgiveness in the shed blood of the savior! Cleansed always in the sight of the Father!!!

You shall know them by there works! They shall say in the last days ,lo He is here ,or he is there! The power of the Holy spirit is the sanctifying power given unto the children, we are all the same in Christ. Satan has no power over the "apostles" who are His instruments, going forth doing His will! Even so you will see more as the days go by! Repent and be Baptised

Ellix2u,

It it okay to respectfully disagree. Reading through your comment, I agree with almost everything you are saying. But do you realize that I am not talking about water baptism?

I agree that we are not saved by works. But is believing alone enough for salvation? I think believing is an important part of salvation, but what about acting upon that belief and surrendering one's life to Jesus Christ and being born of His Spirit?

I notice you did not mention those things. The demons also believe, but will they be saved?

When I said it was Jesus' ministry to baptize people with His Spirit, it had nothing to do with water baptism. Jesus baptizes people with His Spirit. Unless a person receives Christ, and is born from above (Spiritual birth from above), that person cannot be saved.

You have my attention: can you please elaborate on what you mean by "You don't have to go to church.keep the commandments-nor be baptized"

I understand the not going to church part, but not keeping His commandments, nor being baptized?

And again, I am referring to Spiritual baptism, not water.

What do you mean? Elijah gave more power and wisdom to Elias. Elijah's name means "Yahweh is my God" and is spelled Elias in some versions of the Bible. Please explain why this time in scripture is the same today!

What do do u mean "evil Doers"? Should we be worried?

Asking for strong protection and breakthrough for us and all in need.

Please Lord enrich James with spiritual wisdom in the job he has that his faith strengthen daily by the Your Grace. Please Holy Spirit guide James in Bible scriptures constantly to have peace and focus in service for you the Divine God Head I ask in Jesus Christ name!!

Please consider reflecting on 1 Chronicles 4:9-10, Psalm 18, and 2 Timothy 2:1.

Why was the books of Maccabees taken out of the Holy Bible when God says do not add or take away what happened

In Jesus name. Amen.

Anonymous, I just heard a song and it reminded me of you so I wanted to share it with you. It's by Rascal Flatts (tho they support thing not of the bible, the song is great), it's call "I will stand by you." If you don't or can't listen to music search the following scriptures: were God says; I will stand by you- Ephesians 6:11, He will dry your eyes- Rev 21:4, I will fight your fight- Exodus 14:14 & I will hold you tight & won't let go- Deuteronomy 31:6 .Prayers to you again, and always!

I respectfully disagree with Jesse's answer. The Bible is clear on salvation. One must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. John 3:16. It is by faith Ephesians 2:8. The question was asked how to be saved.. answered in Acts 16:30 ."Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved". Every Word of God is true.in Mark. 16:16 it says "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned". It does not say if you don't believe and are not baptizedyou shall be. Damned only that if you don't believe. Another proof that there is no need for baptism to be saved is that when Jesus was on the cross the thief said to Jesus in Luke 23:42. 42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." So clearly the thief was not baptized prior to his death and it was his belief alone that saved him. It is not of any works.lest any man boast. You don't have to go to church.keep the commandmentsnor be baptized . There's no amount of works or anything you can do to save yourself. It is the free gift of God. All these things are good .. but we all fall short.. and the reason God sent Jesus. Ephesians 2:8. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. It is easy to be saved that is why even a small child can be saved.

Alex1939....Hiya Ryan Gbu...But Jesus says there will be 1 only shepherd and 1 sheepfold...Not 2... John 10:16

.....And 1 st Cor.12:13...By 1 spirit are we all baptised into the body of Christ ,whether we be Jew or Gentile, Bond or Free...etc

there is no way we can get 2 gospels outa that...Jew or Gentile implies circumcision and uncircumcision born again of that New Creature..THE H.G...That 1 and only Spirit...which is the gift of God to Jew or Gentile...Thus there is only 1 New Covenant

.....And 1 gift of God which is the H.G....As Jesus tells the Samaritan Woman at the well...of that Living water the H.G.

.....And on the day of Pentecost...There were folks there from every nation....And God poured out his spirit on everyone of them.

.....Only 1 spirit the gift of God the H.G. That 1 and only Promise the gift of the H.G...Which is the multiplication of very GOD in humanity via that New Covenant...Living words and to whom the word came it made them Gods simply b/c of the marriage we are all gonna be married to God...And a marriage is when 2 are made 1 ....But for the life of me i cannot understand how you can get 2 gospels outa 1 blood...As John said Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world...Only 1 lamb..1 blood...ok lemme go

Ryan.

Part 4.

Was Peter preaching the same gospel in Acts 2 & 3?

Yes! Peter was preaching the gospel of God's grace to the Jews and the many that had come from other nations to celebrate the feast of Pentecost. Was it tailored to those that where there because of what they had just done in crucifying Jesus? Of course. But it is still the one same gospel. He didn't mention the blood of Christ but he certainly spoke powerfully about the death and resurrection of the Lord, and their need to repent and receive forgiveness from God. ( Acts 2:22-38) It is true that God revealed other 'mysteries' through Paul later (as Acts 2 is only 50 days on from the resurrection of the Lord) but this is simply bringing focus and revelation to the one true gospel. It isn't changing to a new gospel.

The church began in Acts 2 - at Pentecost. This is when believers were baptised in the Holy Spirit into one body. And though the Church began in Jerusalem, the commission to go into all the nations had already been given by the Lord Jesus to all the disciples even before this point. See Mt. 28:16-20; Mk. 16:14-16; Lk. 24:45-49. So later when Paul and others went to the Gentiles, they were simply doing what Jesus had already said to do when He was with the disciples on earth. It isn't something new.

I hope this helps. These arguments have been going on for many decades. The well-loved Bible teacher H.A Ironside wrote a great booklet called 'Wrongly dividing the word of truth' in 1938 that speaks to many of the errors in hyper-dispensationalism. If interested in reading more, you can find that here:

By J Vernon McGee.

God bless.

Hello Anonymous, top of the morning to ya (or what ever time yur readin). I pray this day finds you in better spirits & the strength to give God another, well deserving, chance. We have all been in your position before, promise. Abuse, lies, deaths, more unnecessary lies & abuse that we can't deal with yet can do our best to stop allowing it happen with your strength in Christ. We are here for each other and the good thing about it is you can say whatever you want. You more so then us because your Anonymous.! :) Hugs, prayers & Friendship

Hello, I am working as a case manager in a prison. It is stressful and I feel at times incompetent. I also feel like i am cast aside a lot as expendable. I am timid to an extent. I also just want to be competent and do myjobfor the glory of GOd and not feel expendable or be treated as such...I pray for favor and blessings and competence going forward. Please also pray the Lord shows me what to do in ministry and in church. Pray He brings me a spouse into my life and I am able to do the race He has set before and complete it in ministry and life....pray for dorothy, sunni, wayne and kenneth...

Ryan.

Part 3.

Now let me answer our critics who say that we who hold the dispensational view of Scripture teach that there are two or more ways of being saved. No, God has never had more than one basis on which He saves men, and that basis is the Cross of Christ. Every offering before Christ came looked forward to the Cross of Christ, and every commemoration since He has come looks back to the cross of Christ.

Is the gospel of the circumcised and uncircumcised ( Gal 2:7) different?

No.

Please be clear on this. There is not one gospel for the circumcised (Jews) and another for the uncircumcised (Gentiles). Look at the Galatian passage mentioned:

Gal 2:7-9 But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised (8) (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles), (9) and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.

This whole passage is NOT speaking of different gospels but simply who, among the Apostles, was to go to whom. James, Peter and John recognised the grace and position that God had given to Paul and agreed that he should go to the Gentiles while they concentrated on the Jews. They didn't have a different gospel to tell. They simply went to different people groups to proclaim the one gospel.

Please see part 4.

Give me scripture, forforgiveness.

Hi Ryan.

Part 2.

When Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom, He was announcing His coming as King of the Jews and explaining the terms of admission into His kingdom. His miracles showed the wholesome nature of the kingdom.

This 'gospel of the Kingdom' is again preached in the last days during the tribulation as stated by Mathew:

Mat 24:14 "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Again - this is not a new or different gospel. It is the good news of what Jesus did on the cross and the need to personally believe and accept God's incredibly gracious offer of salvation through faith. There is only one gospel. But there will be an emphasis during the proclamation of this gospel in the coming tribulation that Jesus is King, not the antichrist, and that there is a need to repent and turn to Him because God's judgment is here and the Lord's Kingdom is coming soon! (For example, Rev 14:6-7, 9-10) J.Vernon McGee writes on Mat 24:14

The gospel of the Kingdom is what John the Baptist preached-"Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Mat_3:2). And the Lord Jesus began His ministry with that message-"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Mat_4:17). Also, He sent His apostles out with that message (see Matt. 10). But in Mat_11:28, we saw that our Lord's message changed to "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." And in Mat_20:28 He said that He had come to give His life a ransom for many. But during the Tribulation period the gospel of the Kingdom will again be preached. It is not for our day, because we are to preach the gospel of the grace of God. Is the gospel of the Kingdom another gospel? No, my friend, it is not. It is the same gospel with a different emphasis...

See part 3.

short but oh so sweet, Amen.! not everyone rambles like me..lol

So true..Amen.!

Hi Ryan.

Here's what I believe in.

However not to say that it is right, hopefully others who truly understands have more to add.

Part 1.

there is an element of truth in this but you have to be very careful where you tread here. We definitely need 'to rightly divide the word of God' as scripture tells us but it is easy to go too far and move past scripture and into our own thoughts. There is a whole movement within Christianity that consider themselves 'right dividers' or 'right division' that, unfortunately, leads to a lot of error and division. Instead of 'classical dispensationalism' it often leads to 'hyper-dispensationalism' where people teach that Paul and Peter had a different gospel and/or the Church didn't begin until midway through the books of Acts... or at the very end of Acts like 'ultra-dispensationalism'. Some say only Paul's letters are for the Church! Hyper and ultra-dispensationalism are not true and should be avoided. So to your specific questions...

Are there two gospels, the gospel of the Kingdom and the gospel of grace?

In short, no. There is only one gospel. But there are different aspects that are emphasized depending on when the message is given. Mat 4:23 has the first mention of 'gospel' in the New Testament. William MacDonald in the Believers Bible Commentary writes well on this stating:

While there is only one gospel, there are different features of the gospel in different times. For instance, there is a different emphasis between the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of the grace of God. The gospel of the kingdom says, "Repent and receive the Messiah; then you will enter His kingdom when it is set up on earth." The gospel of grace says, "Repent and receive Christ; then you will be taken up to meet Him and to be with Him forever."

Fundamentally, they are the same gospel-salvation by grace through faith-but they show that there are different administrations of the gospel according to God's dispensational purposes.

See Part 2.

Just getting up and the tears you caused for giving me permission to be myself, tho I know I am, really touched me and helped clear my morning eyes :) cuz I've never been spoken to that way. Isn't it weird how just by hearing something makes a world of difference? Thanx Sammi & God bless always