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Hey S Spencer,

This is part of the study I did on Daniel 9:24-27, the six things, this is as short as I could get it.

Six things determined upon Daniel's people and the holy city.

Part 1

Determined, cut, to divide, hence to decree, to be determined, be decreed, and shall come upon thy people, be settled, be marked out.

To finish, prison a primitive root; to restrict, by an act, hold back or in or word prohibit -- finish, forbid, keep back, refrain, restrain, retain, shut up, be stayed, withhold. Also, can mean the bending or subduing of the will, "tame for the yoke". An animal or land that is tamed has been worked and is complete and ready for use. Taming includes; the construction of holding pens, putting the soil to the plow, and harvesting of the crops.

Determined upon Israel and Jerusalem

1. To finish the transgression

2. To make an end of sins

3. To make reconciliation for iniquity

4. To bring in everlasting righteousness

5. To seal up vision and prophecy 6. To anoint the most holy

This prophecy is determined for Daniel's people, Israel, the lost sheep, and the holy city, Jerusalem. Not the world and the nations of peoples, it is just Israel and the holy city. The six points above are what is determined, and can we verify if they have been fulfilled? None of these were fulfilled in the first sixty-nine weeks so, does scripture show us if these six things that were determined were fulfilled by the Messiah, Jesus?

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Part 2

To finish the transgression

To finish; to withhold something from someone. transgression "transgress," to overpass as any rule prescribed as the limit of duty, to break or violate, as a law, civil or moral, the act of transgressing, rebellion, revolt, offend, that a penalty for the transgression a payment is due for the offense. Debt and transgressions, that they/we cannot pay, and the animal sacrifices fall short.

The only way anyone can stand before a just and holy God is if somebody is worthy and spotless to pay the debt. And the only one who has earned the right to pay that debt is the Messiah the Son of God and we have justification through Christ alone.

Psalm 32:1 Psalm 89:32 Psalm 103:11-12 Isaiah 43:25 Isaiah 53:5-8 Isaiah 53:11 Galatians 3:19 Ephesians 2:4-5 Hebrews 9:15-18

Jesus with a perfect life gave up his body to death; he fulfilled the first covenant of sacrificial law. His sacrifice is the redemption of the transgressions and the fulfillment of the first covenant of sacrificial law.

He became sin for us, and with his blood made the new covenant being the only mediator of the New Testament that we through faith in Jesus Christ receive the promise of eternal inheritance. Offered first to the house of Israel for He came first only for the lost sheep of Israel then was offered to the rest of the world.

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To make an end of sins.

To make an end; as put an end to/make an end to, affix a seal, to seal up, a document is rolled up and sealed with wet clay. The signet ring of the owner bears the image of his seal and is pressed into the clay. This is what was done by the Holy Spirit, 2 Cor. 1:22 Eph. 1:13 2 Tim. 2:19.

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Sin reaches for things, such as safety, knowledge, peace, happiness, and pleasure. Nevertheless, behind the act of good, sin ultimately creates a confrontation between obedience and rebellion. If not in faith, it is sin.

Psalm 32:1 Matthew 1:21 Matthew 22:11-13 John 1:29 John 3:5 Acts 5:31 Romans 3:25 Romans 8:3 Hebrews 9:26 Hebrews 10:8-12 1 Corinthians 15:3 1 John 3:5-6 Revelation 16:15

The covering of our sins was accomplished on the cross at Calvary. When he said IT IS FINISHED, he provided us with the garments (wedding garments) to cover our sins. Sin has not completely stopped yet but it is covered by the blood of Jesus and sealed by the Holy Spirit.

This passage points toward the Messiah who died because of our sins. In Jesus's death, punishment for our sins is paid for. Jesus's death we are dead to sin. Walking in the Spirit meant that we are trusting in Christ by faith to be made right before God, and not trusting in the law.

Whenever Paul speaks about walking after the flesh, it is in the context of trying to be made right before God by the law, which is equivalent to self-righteousness. I believe the prophecy is fulfilled in Jesus Christ and if we are in Jesus Christ, it is fulfilled for us. Praise God that Jesus Christ made an end of sins! As Jesus said from the cross, "It is finished!"

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To make reconciliation for iniquity

Reconciliation is an element of salvation that refers to the results of the atonement, to coat or cover, Isaiah 61:10 Rev. 3:4 Rev. 16:15, iniquity is guilt, crookedness, twistedness, perverseness, that which is not straight or upright, and moral distortion in the dark.

Colossians 1:20-22 Isaiah 53:5-6 Isaiah 53:11 Ephesians 2:16 Titus 2:14 Romans 4:7 2 Romans 5:10-11 2 Corinthians 5:18-19 Colossians 1:19-22

The word reconcile means to bring back to a former state of harmony, Jesus reconciled both Jew and Gentile unto God in one body by the cross and now through Jesus we both Jew and Gentile have access by one Spirit unto the Father, no more strangers or foreigners but fellow citizens. Making reconciliation for iniquity concerns our involvement in the work of salvation. God has reconciled himself to us and empowered us by his Spirit to reconcile ourselves to God and one another.

To bring in everlasting righteousness.

Everlasting, no end, long duration, antiquity, futurity, forever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, continuous existence. Righteousness, God's attribute, justice, mercy, loving-kindness, in conformity to the demands of the covenant, and according to God's will, fair and balanced.

Isaiah 61:10-11 Hebrews 8:12 Romans 3:21-26 Romans 5:17-21 1 Corinthians 1:30 2 Corinthians 5:21 1 Peter 2:24

Everlasting righteousness was what our Lord manifested in His sinless life. Jesus by His blood entered in once into the holy place not made by hands having obtained eternal redemption, everlasting, and in Jesus we have everlasting righteousness and salvation, through faith, given by grace from God, by the blood of the Lamb freely offered for us. We have no righteousness apart from Jesus Christ.

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To seal up vision and prophecy

Seal up, affix a seal, a seal in biblical times as today, is used to guarantee security or indicate ownership. Vision, God's communication with man, prophecy (w-n-), the same word for prophet, a divine vision, a vision spoken of a divine vision or dream, Isaiah 29:7 God spoke in times past through the prophets, but these last days spoke to us by his Son, Heb. 1:1-2.

The Mosaic Law and covenant pointed to Jesus. He sealed them up, that is, he fulfilled them. The greatest prediction, which runs like a golden thread through the whole contents of the Old Testament, is that regarding the coming and work of the Messiah, Jesus; and the greatest use of prophecy was to perpetuate faith in his coming and to prepare the world for that event.

Daniel 9:23 John 6:27 Mark 1:14-15 Acts 3:18 John 5:36-40 Matthew 5:17 Matthew 11:11-15

The Bible shows Jesus fulfilled the prophets, and the Mosaic law the first covenant fulfilled, sealed and His ministry was confirming the New.

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To anoint the Most Holy.

Anoint, the meaning of mashach is fourfold. First, an individual or object set apart for divine use, the anointed. Most Holy q--m q-e most holy most holy place.

Some put this at the baptizing of Jesus by John the Baptist, the start of Jesus's ministry.

Matthew4:13-17 Mark 1:9-11 John 1:29-34

This could very well be the anointing in Daniel 9:24. It started Jesus's ministry, and we know he is most holy. There is another choice, which I believe is what is said in Daniel, not in the future, but was done by Jesus after he ascended to heaven before the destruction of the temple made by man. It is the anointing of the holy of holies in the temple not made with hands. Hebrews 8:1-12 Hebrews 9:6-14

With this, it shows Jesus went in once and anointed the Holy of Holies not made with hands. Jesus anointed the Holy of Holies once and made it possible for man through him and the Holy Spirit for God to dwell in us, a tabernacle. If we look at verse 9:8 "The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing". Remember when Jesus cried out and said it was finished? He gave up the ghost, the veil of the temple rent in half, and the holy of holies opened to man. Like the tabernacle of David an open tent everyone could see the glory of God.

This is to take however you may, my understanding These were fulfilled.

God bless,

RLW

How can death and hell be throwned into the lake of fire when hell is fire?

I agree the Bible is alive !

Forgive my ignorance please but would this be the same prince of Ezekiel ? I have always thought that this prince of Ezekiel can only be Christ , am I wrong ? Ezekiel is the hardest book for me , Isaiah used to be the hardest but that suddenly got much easier for me , then it was Jeremiah , I finally got to grips with Jeremiah and now it's Ezekiel that sometimes still leaves me stumped .

Yes I think so too . A couple of little verses that can get overlooked Romans ch4 v 17 and Hebrews ch4 v 3 .

I am looking for the scripture that talks about men that love other men and woman that love other women, and how it's an abonation before God

Jimbob,

I have a question for you if you don't mind?

If what you are saying is true, that "Jesus comes in the clouds to gather together His elect, the church after the tribulation," and you say the elect is the church, and if I remember correctly, you don't believe the word "tribes" is a Jewish term that refers to Jews, and I am assuming you are referring to Matthew 24:30 by this?

But my question is: why would the Church mourn? Wouldn't it make more sense that this is referring to the Jews, not the church?

That would make more sense to me. I can see why they (the Jews) would mourn. When they see Jesus coming in the clouds, it is then that they are going to realize who Jesus is. When they see Him coming in the clouds with the marks of His crucifixion, they are going to realize that they crucified their Messiah. That's why they will mourn.

Zechariah 12:20 says that when Messiah comes, they will look upon Him whom they have pierced. So at this time when Christ comes (at His second coming), the Jews who are left on the earth, they are going to mourn, and they are going to look at Jesus coming in the clouds, and go "Oh no, we crucified our Messiah, and here He is!"

If you are not referring to Matthew 24:30, then please accept my apology.

Now that's a great ism and thank God for it !

Hi Ronald.

It's no need to apologize, it's all in the context,

I just wanted to highlight the focus of the thread so I can present why I feel the elect is Israel in Matthew 24.

I believe Matthew 24:2 was accomplished by the "people" of the prince that shall come in Daniel 9:26.

I will get back to you soon Ronald with more to share on this.

Thanks and God bless.

Ruth,

Daniel mentions this in three places, Daniel 9:27, 11:31, and 12:11. Jesus mentions it in Matthew 24:15.

In Matthew 24:15, Jesus is talking to Jews who are familiar with their Old Testament scriptures in the book of Daniel.

In Matthew 24:16, Jesus gives instructions to the Jews on what to do when they see the abomination of desolation. Whenever those things in Verse 15 happen, Jesus says, let them which be in where? In Judea, because this is for the Jews. He says let those who are in Judea flee into the mountains.

The abomination of desolation is when the antichrist helps the Jews to start their sacrifices again. The bible says he is going to help the Jews to restart their sacrificing.



And then right in the middle of the tribulation period (approximately the 3-1/2 year mark), he is going to step in and put his image in the holy of holies. And he is going to say that everybody has to worship him. And he's going to corrupt the temple. And he's going to take over.



Jesus says that when you see that happen, when he puts up his image in the Holy of holies, He says flee, get out of there, because the great tribulation (the last 3-1/2 years), this pivotal point, is only a one activity event. Once that happens, then it is the great tribulation, like the world has never seen.

Here's something interesting I would like to share with you: In Verse 16, Jesus tells the Jews to flee into the mountains. This is recorded for us in Revelation Chapter 12 Verse 6. Isaiah says it is the Rock city of Petra.

The Jordanians went into the Rock city of Petra not too long ago and fixed it up as a tourist attraction. They put in nice restrooms and everything for the tourists.

As it stands today, the rock city of Petra has enough empty housing to house 250,000 people, plenty of room for the Jews who are told to flee. Maybe God had a hand in this? I'm sure the Jews in the middle of the tribulation period are going to say "thank you very much!"

Please pray that it's not busy at work tomorrow and tomorrow night and that I feel great ijnip amen

I am 60 years of age self-employed, taking care of my ill mother who is on a fix income. i have no savings, please pray that (god) in (the name of jesus) will (bless) me with jobs that i can complete with success and have no problems with pay. please pray for my health, i know i not healthy as i should be, please pray that (god) in (the name of jesus christ) will (bless) me with a (supernatural healing) in (all areas throughout) my body mind & soul. please pray that (god) will (bless) me with nothing but (miracles&blessings) in (all areas throughout) my (life), spiritual,faith,health,finance,protection throughout all areas of life problems,etc!!. thank you all for your prayers.

Jimbob:

I have a question?

Do you believe when you depart your body of flesh, you are at that moment in the presence of God?

Just trying to understand your beliefs.

God Bless YOU!

I see the word sober over and over in the Bible... I looked up the definition in Websites dictionary and it said to not drink alcohol. What about the other mind altering substances that we have out there? Do they not make you drunk as well? Or does the word sober in the bible only pertain to alcohol?

What is the abomination spoken of in the book of Danial?

Deliver us from anti-Christ, love of money, and addictions.

Chris, page.2 I should have mentioned the belief I have of the Lord's return is ((Post-tribulation, Pre-wrath)). Jesus comes in the clouds to gather together His elect, the church after the tribulation, (Post-trib) which is just before the wrath of God (Pre-wrath) is poured out on the disobedient non-believers who will be left on the earth to face Gods anger, His vengeance, His punishment for them rejecting the Son of God. (Jn.3:36) The same time Believers are at the marriage supper of the Lamb in heaven, On the earth that same day the wrath of God will begin to be poured out on the non-believer's who were left on the earth. After this, When He returns riding a white horse He will return to the earth, and we come back with Him, this will end the wrath of God and begin the 1000 year reign of Christ on the earth. Thank you again Chris.

S. Spencer.

I am not offended by your response to me at all. I understand your point about supplying Scripture. And I failed to do so.

When I researched (as I indicated in my post you quoted) I studied the Scripture noted in this research to see if it truly does support the views presented. Because I read many articles on this topic, there was a lot of info and Scripture noted. It would take very long and involved posts for me to share the core of what I studied.. That is why I did not do that.

I was speaking to the dispensational theory in my post, which is not directly taught in Scripture as it is a recent introduction to the realm of Christian thought. I was not expounding on a Scripture, but relaying my journey towards where I stand on this subject. I 90% of people on this forum supports dispensationalism, ok. This is just my opinion and others are free to have theirs.

As to the the tenets of dispensationalism, my objections are numerous, but I do not wish to address all of this in this conversation. I am not looking for a disagreement, I was just affirming what the poster had stated in her post.

Have a good day, S. Spencer.

Chris thank you for your reply. You said "One great fact of the Church's Rapture, is not only its imminency but its suddenness". All the verses you provided show more of being (watchful) and (ready) but I don't see that sudden return that could happen any minute that you seem to see in them. When Jesus comes in the clouds it will be sudden, but Mt.24:29-31 tell us its after the tribulation, not before. That time period will be shortened, so we still will not know the day or the hour. You also said "It seems much more likely that death would first overtake me rather than the coming of Jesus for his own" Read Revelation.20:4-6, those who reign with Christ for a 1000 years are those who did not accept the mark of the beast, (which will come during great tribulation) and they were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God. Many verses tell us we must suffer, or be persecuted. Read Romans.8:16-18, Phil.1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake. 2.Thessalonians.1:4-5, 2.Tim.2:11-12 (11. It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him. (12. If we suffer, we shall also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us. 2.Tim.3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. Read 1.Peter.2:18-21, 1.Pet.4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. Rev.2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 1 of the verse you listed was Titus.2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. Jesus (appears) in the clouds with power and great (glory) in Matthew.24:30, Immediately after the tribulation. Thanks again Chris.

Mel8:

There is only ONE "ism": Bapt"ism" in(to) the NAME of Christ (submerged into LIVING WATER); your his wife, he has GIVEN YOU his NAME, you have BECOME ONE, as he and the Father are ONE.

Numbers 6:27 And they shall put MY NAME upon the children of ISRAEL (Christ is the promised SEED of Israel): and I will Bless Them.

2 Samuel 7:13 And He (Christ) shall BUILD a house for MY NAME, and I will establish the throne of the kingdom forever.

Isaiah 43:7 Everyone that is called by MY NAME; for I HAVE CREATED him for MY GLORY, I have formed him, I have made him.

John 17:22 The glory which thou gavest me I have given to them; that they may be ONE as we are ONE.

God Bless YOU!

My mistake, I was looking at two different books in the Old Testament at time.

Why did the verses in chapter 16 of Exodus stop with verse 36?

Sorry wrong book mentioned earlier.

Why did the verses in chapter 16 of Numbers stop with verse 36?

What does the Holy Bible say about Abortion?

Fred luv ya but if righteousness came by the law Christ died in vain and the cross was just foolishness... Gal. 2:21 kjv

At Calvary God made a new covenant in the blood of Christ ...Nothin like the old covenant...If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me...When Jesus said its finished there is no more works we can do...All our righteousness is filthy rags in the sight of God...

When ya imply there are certain works we have to do...You are in essence saying the blood of that New Covenant was insufficient for our righteousness....

When Peter was commanding water baptism Acts 10....God Almighty told him 3 times what i have made clean donot call common or unclean.. (By commanding water baptism)....When Jesus said its finished it was finished....Lest we make the cross his blood of no effect.

All the unclean animals in that sheet was the Church that was made clean by the blood of the lamb...Not water baptism

Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world...There is no other cleanser in this world that can whiten us like his blood....For millions of yrs folks will be talking about what Jesus did at Calvary....That New Covenant IN HIS BLOOD. K