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Bro. Dan. I understand what you're saying & it is true that Jesus did not speak about the cancellation of the given Law because of His (future) death & resurrection. The Law given then, as it is now, "is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Rom 7:12.

The problem with properly arguing such an important matter is that all Scripture has to be considered in its proper manner & not a dependence on just a few portions. Had the matter ended with Jesus' Words in the Gospels, then we would indeed be content with that & both Jew & Gentile converts would maintain strict observance of the Law & somehow after Christ's death, still rigidly attend to both it & Christ's Sacrifice as equally necessary to be acceptable to God. Is this how you understand the Scripture? Do you make any differentiation between the purpose of the Law & the need of God's Grace through His Son? If we had only the O.T. & the Gospels to show us how to live properly under the Law, then that is how we would be judged; and by all accounts, we would fail.

Since you quote solely from the Gospels to present your position, considering them is necessary. As stated earlier, Jesus did not speak about the annulling of the Law in the future but He did direct his hearers to what was correct & appropriate for that time. The Jews, still under the Law, were not obeying it as God purposed; Jesus had to give them the proper meaning, viz, the condition of the heart, relationship to non-Jews, money, divorce, Sabbath, justice, etc. etc. Jesus only spoke clearly to His disciples of his eventual sacrificial death, that which they hardly believed & accepted ( Mt 16:20-22), how much less trying to get them to understand the matter we are discussing now (of the New Covenant resulting from His Sacrifice); though He did refer to it in the Upper Room ( Luke 22:20).

Study to be quiet and mind our own business. A mother and 8 year old boy in a public place and the mother is publicly anouncing personal info on child to the reception, if I find it inappropriate do I tell her that in hopes to help the child or do I mind my own business and pray to have opportunity to preach the gospel to her.

Should we accept grants and prize money from people we don't know?

If a person ch commits suicide is he ch ondemed to tell? When is suicide approved by God ?.

the events foretold in Revelation are today's headlines

I very much wasn't being critical of Jesus, but of how people precieve him. This was very much rhetorical. My point being that he didn't do the thing people often claim, it goes against his character. The last supper couldn't have been the passover Seder. Jesus was the Passover, he would have died on the day before The Festival of Unleavened Bread. God often gives exception to rules. We're not a religion of legalism, but he does set things in place as guidelines. If you're looking for scripture on healing on the Sabbath, that's Lev 18:5 live by the law (meaning don't die by it). Ez 20 something as well. Preservation of life, even animal life (donkey in the ditch) is sacred. My point was also that in a Jewish city Judas couldn't buy if he wanted to, the rabbis we're ruthless on Sabbath breakers. There's also the issue of Deut 13, if a prophet says anything contrary to Moses they are not a prophet of God. Lev 18 covers healing on Sabbath, and the law isn't a legalistic barrier of absolutes, but if Jesus taught against certain things he would be suspect. I believe with every fiber of my being that he is Messiah, Lord, redeemer, restitution, and equal sacrefice. My point isn't to actually ask, but to get people to look into the word. The main reason I even responded to this is because you seemed strong in scripture and I didn't want you thinking less of me because of a misunderstanding. But unfortunately, I apparently am not as strong in teaching as I would like or Paul would require.

Because these are the last days, we who love God are all being tested and burdened to the very limit. Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. You have his life in you. That life will never fail you . it's not an easy fix. The days are evil. Always stay in the light, and be a light to others. Peace

Judy May,

Try to be not discouraged by people looking to keep you down.

Go forward boldly with the Lord Jesus Christ as your covering.

May God bless you in doing what God has called you to do.

He will show you the way.

He said, many ravenous wolves will come among you, even now. He also said even now there are many anti-Christs. Paul was concerned for his brothers and sisters, but more for God's sake. He knew things were going to get really bad. in 70, the siege of Jerusalem, 100-300 the age of martyrs. 330-600 the age of the emperor's control on the church. If you were a follower of anything deemed "Jewish like" that includes praying, tithing to your pastor and not the empire, keeping Sabbath on a day not set by the Romans, refusing to fight in expansionist wars, reading the old testament, etc... you could be put to death, and it happened often. Then came 600-700, the age of the schism. People know about Greece and Rome, orthodox vs catholic, but they don't know about Bulgaria and Maphyiastite. Bulgaria kept a 7th day sabbath and Kosher, Maphyiastite didn't believe in trinity or state control of the church. they were hunted as heretics. 700-900, the Muslim invasion of Europe and Rome, as well as the "heathen invasion of Rome proper". Then came 900-1000 vikings, then 1000-1400 Crusades, where the name of God was vilified even more. Then came the "renaissance" when they started saying, "well, God didn't mean that." Not to mention Dante's inferno and that heretical piece of garbage that was used to scare people away from hell and into "heaven". Then there was the age of discovery and the "evangelizing" of America. Again, God's name was vilified and tarnished by people claiming to love him. Then the reformation happened and a huge war that claimed a million Christians on both sides. Then the Cossacks eradicated the Jews and Gypsies from Russia in "God's name". Then WW1, then WW2. Christians have been through a lot, and a lot of it was because of wolves and anti-christs that rose up within the midst.

Jesus frequently healed people on Sabbath.

He healed the Roman Centurions slave. He healed Gentiles & the Samaritan woman, plus everyone in her town.

I don't think that we should be critical of anything Jesus did. He had his reasons.

Now I have to go read all the center of the page (abc) reference columns again. All I am sure of, is that all of our questions will be answered when we get to Heaven.

Let's not suffer loss of rewards at the Bema Seat Judgment of Christ; for teaching something that's contrary to what Jesus did.

I'm thinking there's a scripture in the Old Testament that will shed some light. Must be Lamentations because I don't read that book enough.

God puts stumbling blocks in our paths, so we will trip over them. This may be one of those. Let's keep studying.

Please pray for my Grandma and Grandpa. Pray that their health is ok and they are well. I worry about them so much. Please pray for them. Also I need prayers because I'm struggling with anxiety and some depression. Ihave always been happy in life but since my Grandparents health has started going down, I worry too much and I think it's why I have anxiety and depression problems. Pray that GOD will heal my Grandparents and will take care of my problems and let me put the worry in GOD'S hands. Thank You for your prayers.

Andy you sure do like to promote Your website here in this forum along with blunt criticism to any who post within. Everything everyone says is wrong so why are you here? (Rhetoric) Why not put more focus on Your site and allow This forum to be what IT is. Maybe craigslist is a better marketing option. Your "36 year" spiel is over redundant. You are selling a book(skeptical in nature) and we understand what traffic to a website does.. For someone claiming so many website hits you sure are fishing awfully hard.

Just allow this forum to be what it is and post your deception criticism within your site until your heart is content. All of your posts are clearly for self promotion. "We" "our" "us" over and over comment after comment.

Those of us within this forum believe in using it with it's intended purpose. Okay

You disagree, we understand. The only person who knows God's will is andy van den berg.

Craigslist might be the place.

Vincent Calvert,

Do you know what God has in store for Judy May?

Are you telling Judy May to keep silent concerning the word of God and not offer help or understanding to those that are confused or have never heard?

Are you really that confident in your understanding of the word of God to be the judge of Judy?

Why would it matter that Deborah was a Jew?

Does a prophet not teach?

Therefore, does a prophetess not have the same ability to teach?

If a woman does not have a husband and lives alone, who is the head of her household?

If you are only speaking "expressly of Christian matters," then what do you do with Acts 2:17 or Acts 21:8-9?

How do you explain Luke 2:36 or 1 Corinthians 11:5?

Do "sons AND daughters" not prophesy in the end times?

I'll give you one better, why don't people follow his commandment to "call none father except our father in heaven?" Or one better still, why was the martyr Antipas( rev 2) called that? his name literally means anti-pater, or father. But he was very obviously godly. So what father was he being "anti" to? Then, when did Pastors start being called Father's? We are called to be Judges, and that isn't only as in law judges, but like the book. In Judges they're called Deliverers of the people. But there's an issue with it, in Judges things get really bad really quick. Judges is summed up by the last verse, "in those days there was no king in Israel, every man did what was right in their own eyes." Many Christians have no king, so they do what is right in their own eyes. So, that is the answer to your question.

So question to get people thinking. "My God, My God why have you forsaken me"? Did God actually forsake Jesus? If so, does that make God a liar? Because He says in Deuteronomy 31:6 "...the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you." He even repeats it in Hebrews 13:5. So does that mean that God loves us more than Jesus? His perfect son? The son who delighted in him? Well Psalm 147:11 disagrees with that. "the LORD delights in those who fear him, who put their hope in his unfailing love." So why did he forsake him? Is God a liar? Did he change his mind? no and no! "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine..." 2 Tim 3:16 and Hebrews 13:8, "Same yesterday, today, and forever."

So we have a problem, either the bible is wrong or we're wrong. The common argument to this is that, "God's wrath was so much, because sin was so bad." To which I reply, is God a god of wrath? or of Mercy? "The LORD is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love," Psalm 103:8. They say, well it was a long time, but time is nothing to God, "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." 2 Pet 3:8. No, God wasn't so angry. There's something else here. When Jews memorized the bible, they didn't have verses, they memorized the first sentence in a chapter as it's name. And guess where that first sentence appears? Psalm 22, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Read the Psalm, whether Jesus said the whole psalm and it was recorded as just the title or not, doesn't matter, that is what he meant, and his disciples new it. This isn't a psalm of poor me, but of love, mercy and restitution! Jesus's last words were, "They will proclaim His righteousness, declaring to a people yet unborn: He has done it!" HE IS PRAISING GOD! Not crying out! He just recited the prophesy of his death, bones out of joint, pierced hands, flogging to show bones! God didn't forsake Jesus, Jesus praised God!

Even Old Testament people's married people of lighter or darker skin shades. Moses and Abraham did. Moses when he was soon to die, sent his wife back to her fathers home.

Moses's sister Miriam, protested his wife's color. God gave her a dose of leprosy. He took it off later.

I'm sure Joseph's wife, who was Egyptian may have had darker skin because of the brutal sun there.

2 CORINTHIANS 6:4

Be ye not unequally yoked together with UNBELIEVERS, for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light (GOD), with (SATAN) darkness?

Comment: Clearly God does not want Believers to marry Unbelievers.

All through the Old Testament (read in Joshua)... God told them to go in the Promised Land and run off or kill the idol worshippers. We see in Nehemiah, the Israelites sent their idol worshipping wives and the children away.

What God cares about is Believers being prevented by the Unbelieving, to attend Church and Worship God; raise their children to believe in God too. Read through Deuteronomy: the blessings and the curses.

NOTHING is said about race or color. You'd be wise to discover what prospective spouses believe. It is very difficult and naive to teach your kids: do as I say, not as you see me do. As soon as they're old enough, they'll do what they've learned in the home.

God is only trying to save us from heartache and confused kids by going against that scripture.

Unbelievers can be many things: mixed religions, mixed up morals, lax attitude about drugs, alcohol, yelling, physical or mental abuse to impose "obedience" on the Christian, refusal to pray at meals, etc.

Our current culture has crossed over into something that is beyond God to fix. We know what is right; we just don't do it. He's going to let us reap the whirlwind.

Repent means to change your mind and walk with God. Vote for chaos or vote for God. He'll get us through. I'm sure. Are you?

Hope this clears it up? M.

(My rant is on what I meant, I apologize at its length) That is very much not what I was saying, I mean that the last supper couldn't have been Passover, Passover is at the beginning of the feast of unleavened bread, which is a Sabbath. Even if Judas could have gotten things on the Sabbath, what could they have prepared for if not the Seder. You're right about what you said, it's just not what I was implying was wrong. If Jesus was the Passover lamb he had to be killed at the same time all of the other lambs were being slaughtered for Passover. He arrived 10 days before slaughter, as was the law. He was without blemish as was the law. He was even the equal sacrifice, he was the only person in history born of God except Adam; Paul said that Jesus paid Adam's sin (ours as well) but he was, therefore, an equal sacrifice to Adam. He fulfilled hundreds of prophecies, came out of Egypt (salvation from Egypt), baptized at 30 (as was the law for priests), became the high priest (after Melchizedek), fulfilled all of psalm 22 (no broke bone, pierced hands, out of joint, hanged on a tree, etc...), he restituted the gentiles to Israel, he hasn't wed the perfect virgin yet (that's revelations 21 where he does that), but he has fulfilled every prophecy except a few to come. What I am saying is, if he did all of this, if he fulfilled all of these prophecies, fulfilled the festival of Sukkoth, fulfilled Yom Kippur, Rosh Hashana, EVEN Hanukkah! Why would he not die on the day when the Passover was supposed to die? It drives me crazy, he is a perfect God, why would he set up a festival literally about passing over sin (Egypt being bondage, bondage in sin specifically) and have him die on the WRONG DAY! I'm not even going to get into why people think it would be Sunday that he rose. I do apologize for the rant, it is completely not directed at you, but toward an idea that I believe has no basis in the bible but has its basis in a painter from the 1300's misinterpretation of it.

Jesus already knew what Judas Iscariot was going to do; but not his other disciples.

There was an Old Testament prophesy about the event. Judas fulfilled it.

Psalms 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

Even Jesus submitted to be baptized by John the Baptist. "So all righteousness would be fulfilled." It was the fulfillment of prophesy.

Matthew Chapter 3

13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

In the book of Acts, people were still being baptized by the disciples in water to repentance.

Even tho in John chapter 3, Jesus told Nicodemas he must be born again and baptized by the Holy Spirit.

Water baptism was not forbidden by Jesus. I chose to be baptized publically, to show the cast out demons that I belonged to Jesus.

Thank the Lord if you have never been oppressed by demons for meddling in the Occult: had one try to break your neck; restrain you so you cannot stand or speak; had one levitate your bed 6 ft off the floor; manifest to guests in other rooms , scaring them to pieces. Every single day, turn your paintings sideways. When you sit down in Church and the church prays corporately to cast the demons out of the building...the demons tell you that you "better get up and leave with them."

I confessed my past to a whole Church and was set free from the oppression finally.

If you don't know zip about spiritual warfare ; don't tell people it's heresy to be water baptized!! Few church's teach deliverance ministry. You sure don't teach it here. Be a disciple full bore.

Don't email me either unless you need deliverance from Pharisee-ism. Thank you. Mishael

Please pray for Adrian Walsh because he broke both of his hands and his arms falling off of a 12 foot building . He was working on a roof and he is 15 years old .

And his Mom has two weeks left of being pregnant so please please pray that the stress does not affect she pregnancy .

Pray that Lord will bring me fully into the word of God so I can a leader unto my family....

Thank You for Your reply. Elisa went up too without physical death. I got Elijah and Elisa from The King James Version following the footnotes of verses.

There's an issue with traditional teaching on this. Other than it doesn't hold up to the actual Koine Greek in some places, the traditional view is that he rose on Sunday, therefore we do sabbath Sunday. But first, that comes from acts 2, "they gathered on the first day of the week" that is actually Sabbaton, they gathered on Sabbaton, or a "certain sabbath", not Sunday. Second, Jesus never says they are celebrating Passover, he is only telling them to prepare, if he was the Passover he had to die when the priests were killing the lambs for Passover, not after the feast. He died at Sunset what would be Wednesday night (for Jews, the next day starts at sunset), So he died Thursday (the same time they slaughter Passover lambs), was in the tomb at the same time as the Feast of Unleavened bread ( a sabbath), then Mary, Mary, and Martha went and got the oil and incense on Friday (when it wasn't a sabbath) and came to Jesus's tomb on Saturday, where they discovered him risen. This not only fits with Hebrew Scriptures, it also addresses the issue of if Jesus had sent Judas out on that night the disciples would have thought he was committing a sin by having him buy on the sabbath. There's no actual scriptural evidence he rose on Sunday, he would have arrived in Jerusalem the two weeks prior, as is custom. Also, the Passover lamb was supposed to be in the house 10 days, and that's 10 days before Wednesday, the day when Priests slay the lamb. If he had died Friday night, you're right, because it's Jewish, not Greek, night was the point of the new day, so he would have only been in the ground Saturday and Sunday, but he died Wednesday night, so that's Thursday, Friday, then Saturday.

Please pray for me. My work situation is getting worse and more emotionally hostile. I am actively looking for a new job but very little is out there right now. My family depends on my financial support and I feel stuck. It is really bad. Please pray for me. Please pray I feel better soon. It is awful. Please pray that I can find the right job and that God guides me to where He wills me to be. For four years it has been where I am but a new boss took over and it is unbearable. I dread work. I am sinking into depression. Thank you and God bless you.

Yes indeed we serve a mighty and very good God.

If it was the Passover Seder, why did they think Judas was on his way to buy for the feast? Also, how can Jesus be the Passover Seder if he was killed the day after the Seder. Meaning this has to be the day before. Food for thought.

Alex, keep prophesying the tenth (fruitfruits) well understand.

Patrick, the major and minor books of prophesy all speak of the day of the Lord. The day of the Lord began at the ministry of John the Baptist and has continued to the present. Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. (vs) 12 And from the days of John until now the kingdom or heaven suffereth violence ,..... Malachi 3:1 Behold I (Jesus) will send my messenger (John the Baptist), an he (John) shall prepare the way before me (Jesus): and the Lord (Jesus) whom ye seek shall appear in his (Jesus) temple,.... ( I Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God [Jesus] dwelleth in you?) Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his house; whose house are we,.... Zachariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh,.... (vs 6) And it shall come to pass in that day (day of the Lord: began 2000 years ago), that the light (Jesus; Spirit of God) shall not be clear, or dark: (vs 7) But it (day of the Lord) shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day (light) or night (dark): but it shall come to pass at evening time (end of the day of the Lord) it (day of the Lord) shall be light (Jesus; the Spirit of God in you, Jesus is the light of the world in you ). Matthew 13:33 ..... The kingdom of heaven (Christ in you) is like unto leaven (Spirit of God) which a woman ( Galatians 4:26 new Jerusalem: the mother of us all) took, and hid in three measures of meal (us; the meat offering to God), till the whole (lump; all mankind) was leavened (by the Spirit of God). Romans 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, then the lump is holy;....

It's actually speaking about life and obeying the Holy Spirit and God's response to His children that obey Him! While not listening to the devils lies and doing his will Shalom!

Please pray for my uncle. He has been sick, and is in surgery. Thank You!