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James, that is indeed a creative interpretation I've never heard before. You claimed 'this is where your grave error starts', but have you considered if it's yours. The entire chapter is about the Word, who is Jesus, and the first 5 verses don't even change the subject in terms of the English. You could probably hand these first 5 verses to any English teacher in the world and they will know it's the same subject. Let's break it down...

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Subject: Word

2The same was in the beginning with God.

Subject: Word (because it says "The same was..." so it's the same Word)

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Subject: Word. In this language we are still talking about the same entity, unless there's an obvious change.

4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Subject: Word, and introduced a new synonym: the "light of men"

5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Subject: Word, using the new name "light"

6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

Subject: John. See how when it changes subjects, it's obvious? There was a man... whose name was John.

So, if what you're saying is true about He/Him in v3 suddenly switching characters without warning, it's inconsistent with the rest of the writing.

Then in v6-7 it says that John came to witness to the Light who is the Word, and it only further confirms it's Jesus as in v14 it says the Word became flesh. I wonder how you would interpret that to fit your current belief?

Do you believe Jesus is Lord? Romans 10:9.

Do you believe the Lord is God as it says in John 20:28?

God bless...

Your blessing will bless your people in jesus name we pray amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know Christians need unity, but why did the KJV compare this with the ointment on Aaron's head that ran down to his garments? I know I'm thinking like a woman, but it has always bothered me that beautiful garments were made for Aaron to wear as Priest, but letting the oil drip on them seemed to be ruining the garments and making for a big washing job required for those garments. Does anyone have any spiritual insight into this verse in Psalm 133:2?

Well said Adam.in addition to your response n to all

There is One reason Hell is filled to the brim

and One reason Heaven has its occupants

The Gift of Freewill

But...its only a Gift,when used wisely.

a curse when not.

Everyone has the Freewill choice'

A' is life

B ' is deth

If a person does not choose A or B

then it defaults to B.

simply because A was not chosen (thru Freewill)

Psalms 147.3

He health the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.

This verse tells us that God ministers to us when we are brokenhearted-

And brings comfort and healing to our wounded hearts.

2 Corinthians 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort.

God is different than man.

"But God, who is from everlasting, who is holy and righteous all together, cannot and never will change, for He is only truth, and out of truth no change can come.

With God, there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning ( James 1:17)."

"...God is different; He is outnumbered, outclassed , set aside, rejected, and spoken evil of when it is suitable to man's cause, but when He comes to the earth again as a Judge, He will still be different. The masses will be facing One whom they rejected in life as incompatible, unreasonable, and not fair. He will be the only One to speak: "Well done, thou good and faithful servant...enter into the joy of thy lord" ( Matthew 25:21). "...depart from me, ye that work iniquity ( Matthew 7:23)."

written by a brother minister in 1981.

I agree, when Christ speaks....the words come from God his Father. Amen.

John 12:49

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."

John 14:10

"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

God bless

God Bless

My cockatiel is sick and injured please pray that God will heal him.

You said: "The term "pre-existent" is an oxymoron" & "Noone has ever pre-existed oneself".

This is not so according to ( Jeremiah 1:4-5) Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

When a born-again believer dies, his soul goes immediately into the presence of the Lord.



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We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:8

King James Version

Senior I am so confused. Teachers are taught that Jesus is the word of OT/NT. Scholars disagree the same. It needs to be resolved.

It is a spiritual relationship.

1 Corinthians 2:14

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

John 4:24

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

God Bless

please pray for Kristie and myself

Adam, you said: "He, the Word, was also the light of men. I hope we agree on that. So far we have 2 different names/metaphors used to refer to Him."

This is where your grave error starts. The "Him" and "He" in John 1:3,4 is refering to God. Not the Son of God or the mythological god the son. The Word is God and God is a Spirit. Just like you have your word. Your word is not another person from you. It is you. When you speak, it is you who speaks, not a co equal person.

God did not become a man, he is not a man. But God was manifest in the flesh, he came in the flesh.

You misunderstand, Chris. Of a truth, the word was put into the mouths of many men. But none of these men (except one) were the only begotten Son of God. god the son is a fable and does not exist. God (the Word) was in Christ. God put his words in the mouth of his Son. Jesus said that the words he spake were not his own, but his Father's.

Hi Chris ,ive always thought that people burned bodies rather than have wild animals dismember and eat them ,if there is some where like a secure cave etc near by obviously you would use that ,i think it helps to remember the times and places and limited resources people had ,i would rather my loved ones body was burned that eaten by lions ! Once the fire was out and the soft parts consumed the bones could be buried latter in a safe place ,just my thoughts ,a bit morbid ! Sorry.

The work is huge and as a worker, we must do our best to be the best. You have to be punctual in the house of God.

There must be difference between workers and students.

The workers were given talents to do business. we can see three main things:

1. Integrity - it is practice of being honest and consistence to principle tenent of faith. You must show uncompromising deal on the call of leadership

2. Stewardship - obligation of exercising the talent God has given to you.

3. Growing and developing

As a worker, we must use our talent judiciously

Hello Roger. Hebrews directly connects to the previous chapter, a chapter which is generally referred to as the 'Gallery of Faith Heroes'. In there, as you would know, is a lengthy description of some well known Old Testament saints, of their faith, their love for God in spite of the many troubles they faced. But all these "received a good report through faith" but did not receive the promise: "God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect." ( Hebrews 11:39,40). They might have known the promises of God & certainly knew of God's Presence & Power with them, yet those Promises did not find their fulfillment in their lifetimes. But they continued undeterred IN FAITH, knowing that God had something special that lay ahead for them.

So then chapter 12 comes into focus (for us). Seeing then that we are surrounded by such a great (eminent) group of witnesses, how are we to behave. So departing from the personal exhortation the Hebrews writer gave in chapter 10:22-25 towards holy living, he now implores us by the witness of these saints of old. Here, it is difficult to discern whether the writer believed that we have all these sages looking down upon us & our behaviour, or more likely, that we have yet another imperative to godly living because of the lives that these men & women lived, in spite of the odds against them. They didn't even consider their lives of any worth in comparison to what God had for them in the afterlife.

Hebrews 12:1,2 then reminds us that we not only have these great examples of faith, of perseverance & resilience before us, but even much more than all this, we have JESUS, Who not only is the Designer, the Forerunner & Completer of (our) Faith, but the One Who took the meaning of suffering to its fullest extent (much more than what those in chapter 11 had done), in that He willingly laid down His Life for us. "He Who knew no sin became sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him".

God is greater than our feelings.

Beloved Brothers and Sisters:

My Prayer Request is that OUR LOVE GOD JEHOVAH, THE TRUEST LOVE, May Enter the Deepest of My Love Mind, Heart, Soul, Spirit and Body, so JESUS CHRIST Provide Me, this Very Moment, a Legal Voter's Card, Constantly and Eternally.

Thanks a lot!

Blessings from THE FATHER to You All,

Omar Trigo.

I and my father are one , that's a relationship.

Do you know what a relationship is ?

Husband and wife are one .

So it's starts falling apart for you right at the start .

Can you prove that the father and son are not a relationship?

To Deborah Kuradal on Romans 8: God is perfect in masculinity. Jesus called Him His Father. Jesus even said, "Who is my mother, or by brother, or my sister...but they who do the will of My Father. God is not a man that He should lie. He is our Creator and God. Thank you Heavenly Father! Holy to the LORD!

John 1.18

No man hath seen God at any time ; the only begotten Son , which is in the bosom of the father , he hath declared him .

This verse explains why Jesus knows God so well , like no other man . Jesus begotten of God , And a relationship so close and dear to God . Jesus came from God and maintained a relationship in the bosom of God. Now that is about as close as you get in a relationship. A father and Son relationship. And a relationship with God all the more remarkable and unique. Obviously Jesus had to be of the same spirit as God or this would be impossible.

Some good for thought ?

John 10:30 I and my Father are ONE.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE.

Do you believe these Scriptures? As I could put more titles that both Jesus Christ and LORD(from the OT) share if you'd like.

There is no trinity "doctrine". That is what is in the Holy Bible. Trinity is just a word of tri/three + unity= trinity. Jesus Christ is ONE with God the Father and so is the Holy Ghost.

And in those days, the Chosen One will sit on his Throne, and all the Secrets of Wisdom will flow out from the council of His mouth, for the Lord of Spirits has appointed Him and glorified Him.

So as you are a man are you trying to explain God yourself? All we do is read the Scriptures.

that a negative evil spirit is removed from the spine of my back perementley and good, that my grandmother Verna learns to forgive herself and those of her past too, and that she allows God to through her and change her for the better good to where she can become the person who he wants her to be, and that my auntie Nicole learns to open her heart up and forgive me for that situation that happened not so long ago with the food when through she might have seen as me being ungrateful. I just know in myself that I should not have got upset in the first place knowing it was just a big misunderstanding. And that christan faith publishing accepts my book and is willing to publish it.

Hi Richard, I wonder whether you're referring to Exodus 4:10,11. These verses do seem to imply that God specifically creates some (in the womb) to have defective organs or other impediments. He is after all the Creator of all people & things & so has the right to do as He pleases. However, the question: why would God then create a new life with such physical or mental problems? Is it simply sufficient to say that 'He has every right to do so?"

Apart from the above, I see two other aspects to this dilemma: we are all born in corrupt sinful flesh. Even though an embryo cannot be classed as one having committed any sin, its very state, being formed out of the seed of sinful man & woman, already consigns it to an existence (whether in the womb or outside), into a sinful state. And secondly, the Ways & Plans of God are unknown to us. We don't know how God uses such people so afflicted in various ways; whether to glorify Him, to lead them to Himself, or to touch other lives through their infirmity. We usually see the suffering of the one afflicted & ask 'why has God allowed this to happen'?, yet we remain ignorant to the Purposes of God in doing so & for the one afflicted to still return praises to Him in spite of it all.

Here in Exodus chapter 4, we see Moses with a speech impediment; in John 9:1-3 (a man born blind); Mark 7:31-34 (deaf man & with a speech impediment); Acts 3:1-3 (lame man) are a few examples. Then we have babies born with disabilities from no fault of the parents, or maybe because of something ingested by the mother (e.g. Thalidomide when taken during pregnancy for anxiety & morning sickness). All these are the results from what we are as humans or what God has allowed for His Own reasons. What is more important is how we accept our lot in life, how we can be useful to others in some way, & whether through it we are reminded of our own weaknesses & sins & therefore run to the Saviour for spiritual healing & hope, & strength to live through each day.

God existed before the world and is the father of all .

Any one doubt that ?

Jesus being born of God ( as well as a women ) anyone doubt that ?

Jesus being of God ( the son of God ) automatically makes him before the world existed because God is .

It's a no brainer unless you think Jesus is just a man like a prophet .

Peter said Jesus was the son of the living God and the Christ for told in scriptures.

All this trinity doctrine is just mans attempt to explain God .

And it's still just mans doctrine not found in the Bible but formed hundreds of years later .

Hello James. As far as I know, the Bible is silent on this topic, probably because it was not a practice of God's people, rather more in line to what the heathen would do. The references that come up are found in the Old Testament: 1 Samuel 31:11-13; Amos 2:1; Leviticus 20:14. However, Israel generally resorted to burial in a tomb, cave or ground: Genesis 23:19; 2 Chronicles 16:14; Matthew 27:57-60.

So, the Church is not given a specific direction on this, as ultimately, the body returns to dust "from whence it came" ( Ecclesiastes 12:7). It then becomes the decision by the family of the departed to have a burial or a cremation, depending on preference, costs, or availability. My choice would always be for a burial, in line with what was practised by Israel.

Hi James. You said, "The Word is not a person. The Word is the word. A 5 year old can understand this. God put his words in the mouth of a man. This is how the Word (the Word of God) was made flesh."

As you know, the Word of God was put into many men over the ages. Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, the prophets, & many others. Was this Word from God also made flesh in them as well? If so, of what importance, relevance or accuracy would this interpretation be? We are never told that the Word became flesh to any of these men: they were just men chosen by God to bring forth His Word to His people. As far as I can discern, the messages that came to them to be given to the people, were simply God's Word for Israel's obedience, knowledge & instruction - there was no reconstruction of that Word into a fleshly form - it was just an echo of God's direct Word to them.

But when Jesus came on the scene, He didn't just echo God's Word to Israel, but He was the Word of God - He wasn't just a Proclaimer but the Word was His Character. If this were not so, He would have been just as all the other prophets in the past (no different, no better). But Hebrews 1:1-3 tells us that this Prophet was different in His Birth ('express Image of God'), in His Glory ('the brightness of God's Glory'), in His creative Work ('made the worlds & upholds all things by His Power'), in His Sacrifice ('purging our sins'), in His return to His Glory, John 17:5 ('at the right Hand of God').

If you see this Jesus & believe that He was just another Prophet or a godly Man chosen of God, how does God's Word brought out through flesh have any relevance on God's Word made flesh? The former was given by man inspired by God. The latter was done by God sent out from within Himself, so that His Word would become flesh (man) for our sakes, which no other prophet could ever do. This separated Jesus from all others. John 1:14: "..the only begotten (unique, one of a kind) of the Father...".

Hi Willow, your absolutely right, let Jesus take the wheel, let Him be the captain of our ship.

Matthew starting at chapter 5, the Beatitudes and sermon on the mount is one of my favorites, also Galatians chapter 5 explains the works of the flesh and the fruits of the Spirit.

Galatians 5:12-18, I would they were even cut off which trouble you. For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.