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Bernie,

In John 5:24, Jesus is summarizing everything He just said by saying that you must believe in me and the one who has sent me. You have to take us together as equals. If you reject either one of us, you will be condemned!

The words "Usury" & "leasing" mean to make money from additional fees like "interest rates" additional profit from the person "giving" usury is "unusualy high rates" Leasing also meaning lying, falsehood.

Exodus 22:25, Leviticus 25:35-43, Deuteronomy 23:19, Ezekiel 22:12,29,

Psalms 15:5, Proverbs 28:2,

Ezekiel 18,

Hopefully these are helpful also

Thanks Richard.

God bless you and all you do.

what is the meaning of john 5:24

t's OK GiGi, the Necene Creed is exactly as you quoted it in your post.

I think it looks like America today, before the return of Christ. The EU has undergone it's triumph of one money, but it didn't fully succeed. In America today, discussing Christianity is turning from "the way," to those who more openly oppose faith. Many of the Churches are too quiet, and many Christians are accepting non-scriptural things as Scriptural. For example, many people are accepting and defending trans-sexuality, when the Word clearly tells us there are only two genders and that it's an abomination for a man to dress as a woman and a woman to dress as a man.

A clear millennial psalm. We have Christ ruling and reigning as designated in the authority of God in the first four verses. As long as the sun and moon endure His fear shall be throughout all generations; which would exemplify the physical offspring that will continue until the end of the 1000 years. (As a side note; even after that period it is said that there is no NEED for the sun and moon-whether they are restored as some eternally lasting form of what they currently are is up for debate in the end of Revelation). The righteous enduring and "abundance of peace" in verse 7 once again is shown to last "as long as the moon endureth." Verse 8 about dominion from sea to sea again; would terminate after there is "no more sea" according to Revelation 22. The next few verses show submission of the kings of the earth and presents being brought in where the Messiah reigns. Delivering the poor and needy; once again is something not needed after the eternal Kingdom comes into place; nor delivering their souls from "deceit and violence" (v. 14). The verse about "prayer for him" in verse 15 seems a bit odd. It probably corresponds with the praising of Him; in asking that, perhaps others who are coruling under His authority will be found to be a blessing to whom He can delegate responsibility. It is interesting to note that as far as I can tell no one prayed for Christ anywhere in scripture even when He endured His fateful hour of death. He certainly prayed to God and now intercedes for us in heaven. Fruitfullness is indicated in verse 16; and of course verse 17 indicates that His name shall be continued as long as the sun. Certainly for all eternity beyond the 1000 years He will continue to retain this status; as to the sun enduring; other verses in Psalms seem to indicate perhaps it will. ( Psalm 72:17)-etc.

Giannis,

Yes, I agree with what you wrote. Also, no worries on the lettering. I do own a copy of the Textus Receptus and do read from it when I am looking for help in understanding certain sections of my English bible. English is such a general language where words can have multiple meanings. I think that is why we have so many denominational churches today. It is because people cannot agree on what the English text is saying. However, not so with the Greek which is such an exact language and almost impossible to come away with multiple meanings on what the text is saying. I think the Lord knew what He was doing by choosing Greek as the original language for the doctrinal section of our bibles.

Thank you for sharing this!

Thank you Giannis, this is really helpful and gives me more knowledge as how to consider my question.

Kelly,

I will attempt to answer your questions with guidance from the HOLY Spirit. With scripture.

Hebrews 4:12-15, Matthew 25:31-46,

Matthew 3:7, Matthew 16:1, Matthew 16:6, Matthew 16:12,

Romans 14:12, Matthew 18:23, 1Peter 4:1-19,

Hopefully these are helpful.

I mean the one before the Kingdom of God, the one that the antichrist will use to rule earth and make people accept the beast's mark.

Hi Daniel , please read the first chapter and first verse if Revelation .

Jay,

Here is the text of the Nicene Creed.

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and all things visible and invisible.

and in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages; God from God, Light from

Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, through Whom all things were

made. Who for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven; was incarnate by the Holy Spirit; born of the virgin

Mary; and was made man. Who for us, too, was crucified under Pontius Pilate; suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day

day He rose from the dead, according to the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father. He

shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; and His kingdom will have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; Who together with the Father and

the Son, is worshipped and glorified; Who spoke through the prophets.

And I believe in one holy, catholic, and apostolic church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look to the

resurrection of the dead and the life of the age to come. Amen.

This creed omits the part of Jesus descending into hell, and the communion of saints. I do not know why.

Doug,

My only question to you would be "How do you do God's work?" I speak for myself when I say this, but if God is counting on me to His work for Him, He's in trouble!

Thank you ahead of time if the Lord leads you to respond!

Hi Jay, I did some research on the Nicene Creed and it was addressing the heresies of Arianism, (that Jesus was just a human man) and Nestoriansim (which taught that there were two separate persons in Jesus, one human and one divine, rather than two natures in one Person) and explained further the Godhead. So this creed emphasizes that God is three persons in One God, that Jesus was fully human and fully God, but the natures were not mixed. and that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God, existing eternally with the Father.

This creed was developed at the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. and further expanded upon in 381 in the Council of Constantinople.

It is longer than the Apostles' Creed, but is built on the Apostles' Creed as a framework.

Adam, (Part 4)

Giannis had a good point about how thoughts can be placed in one's mind to cause damage. I will pray that God delivers me from blindness if the prayer list was truly a bad thing.

Thank you all.

Adam, (Part 3)

That's praying against the things that he's doing that are harmful to him, his Walk, and our family.

You said, "That's interesting that you say you'd be ok with your husband keeping a list of wrongdoing you've done and hide it from you, but I don't believe that's true. As you can see with the feedback, 100% think its wrong in addition to scripture and all feel it would be hurtful to them". It is absolutely true. I am being authentic about this. He's told me that he prays for me. I think that he should pray for these things until I am healed or cured. How else would he keep track and steadfastly (pray without ceasing) pray against my issues, if he doesn't maintain a list? I would hope that he wouldn't share it with anyone other than one-on-one with a Pastor, but of all the people on the planet, it is he who should keep me and cover me in prayer, and I him.

Now, in honesty, I believe that in all of this I erred when I did not talk with him about why I had the list (based upon the "tell the truth" Scriptures I shared) or how he responded based on Matthew Chapter 18:

15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

His response hurt me because he became so angry, he saw not my true intent, but he saw me as someone standing against him with the list, he went outside our marriage with the list. I felt hugely betrayed. My wrong is that I did not discuss the incident 20+ years ago. But me, 20+ years ago would never have spoken up.

Giannis had a good point about how thoughts can be placed in one's mind to

Adam, (Part 2)

Help me not to blame myself because this happened."

These are from lists of things that wives pray against. These are lists. There are similar lists for husbands. What exactly is the difference? Many online and in-person Churches ask people to provide prayer requests, so that two (or more) can stand in prayer against whatever issue or evil. Prayer requests are lists. Many online or tv Pastors jot down the requests of viewers. What they jot down are lists. I see no difference since there was no malintent. If I had maintained the list to hold over his head, that would be wrong.

I am not afraid to communicate with my husband. Afraid is not the correct word or thought. I was uncertain about discussing it because it's in the past, but present. Like I said in the beginning, I was not certain that I should bring it up because we're to "leave the past alone". I had not found the Scripture about telling the truth or had not been presented the other Scriptures until yesterday, so all that I had as guidance to more forward (or not) was the Scripture that I shared. I have talked with him about some things, and I will discuss the actual issue when the time is right--as directed by God.

I feel no regret in maintaining the prayer list. None whatsoever. My intent was Spiritual and not malicious. I feel regret that I didn't better hide it, that he found it, and that he was hurt by it. I just do not get how (other than the intent of keeping track of or laying in wait-which was not my intent) maintaining a prayer list for my husband is wrong. I understand that for the intent of pointing fingers, and because one is walking in unforgiveness, keeping track of offenses is wrong. If my husband were simultaneously drinking heavily, cutting himself, doing drugs (which he's not), and I prayed against these things, that's not keeping track of his offenses. That's praying against the things that he's doing that are harmful to

Adam, (Part 1)

I am not offended by your response or expecting that you would respond any way but kindly. Sorry that this answer is so long, but I want to reply to all of your point

I have realized that there are three components of this circumstance:

1 I asked for advice about discussing a 20+ year-old issue. That the issue is with my husband (though, a concern that I recently realized probably still plagues our marriage) was not germane to my query. I wanted to know if it were Spiritually correct to discuss the old concern, particularly since it's still a current issue. I believe that we collectively have reconciled that issue, and I appreciate the feedback.

2 I maintained a prayer list that people believe was wrong (though I had no ill intent). Many of the issues on the prayer list are ongoing today.

3 My error 20+ years ago.

I did not notice that everyone thought my prayer list was wrong, but that is okay. Earlier, I was not defending what I did, but explaining because of someone else's comment/question. However, to be clear, I absolutely do not believe that maintaining his prayer list was wrong.

I am definitely not above reflection, so to understand why anyone would believe what I did was wrong, or why it was wrong for me to maintain a hidden prayer list for my husband, I went to several Christian sites to view other prayer advice and strategies. These were not my husband's issues, but here are some of the advisory prayers:

Prayer Against Gambling Addiction. "Dear Lord, please help (the person's name) to beat his gambling addiction. Please Lord show him the path toward a better life. Help him, please, to rebuild his life and regain the trust of his family. Oh, Lord, please fill him with courage and strength to say no to this destructive habit.

Prayer Against Spouses Porn Addiction. Show my husband that he idolizes sex. Reveal to him the reason he allowed himself to be addicted. Lord, help me to be supportive and not leave him.

Hi Giannis again,

You may want to check out the site I noted on another reply to Jay concerning the Apostles' Creed..

Hi again,

Chris, you may want to check out the site I noted on a reply to Jay.

Hi Suze, you may wish to see my new reply to Jay, as I found a site that gives biblical verses for each tenet of the apostles creed.

Hello, jay again.

I found a site that gives bible verses for each tenet of the Apostles creed. It is pastormarkdotinfo under "statement of faith.

In a journal I used this as an outline and also added other Scripture that I found, maybe this will be helpful to others.

Well this is hard to answer.

As far as Mose's law is concerned please read in the book of Acts when apostle Paul went to Jerusalem, before being imprisoned there, what apostle James said to him: ( Acts 21:17-20)

v17-And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly.

v18-And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.

v19-And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.

v20-And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

Pay attention to "Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law." What this shows? I don't think those Jews were not saved. Now whether this is true only for Jews and not for gentiles, I can not answer.

Now if you want to ask what happens in churches that preach that salvation must be accompanied by good works to get saved, my opinion is that as long as people there are reborn again and get baptised (the two necessary conditions for salvation) no matter what else they practise they still get saved (since they do those for God - Romans 14:6-10). God does not held one account for what one does not know but for what one chooses to do against His will. And some more. In my life I have met christians from those churches that surprise me with the good works they do and have met christians from reborn churches that have no interest at all in doing any good thing to help others. God wants us to become good Samaritans. And lets not forget that in the final judgement that is described in Matthew 25:31-45 people will not be sent to hell according to their faith but according to their works, not for what they had done, but for what they had NOT done.

Gob Bless you.

Linda,

Linda,

To believe as you are stating, we have to misinterpret scripture, and ignore much scripture.

Jesus held Apostle Peter in very high regard so much so that Jesus stated the following:

Matthew 16:18-19

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Read and believe!

Please advise me about the following questions:

Does the bible speak about God's human vision? Whether or not his sight was low during the daytime hours?

When a person repents - regarding pen testiment saducees? - is he/she required to write down who has betrayed him/her or what mistakes have been made? Is thinking about sinful mistakes enough for God and his son to forgive every person?

Is it ok for people to assume that committing a sin as a group is ok because it is easy to hide what they have done? The bible

states that each person is judged as an individual in heaven and on earth. I ask my children to tell on those who force them to commit sins so their judgement does not include the blame or responsibility of others.

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Hi Jesse

The greek text says (I am using latin letters since this site does't recognise greek letters)

V 22. - "Ei the thelon o Theos endeixasthai ten orgen kai gnorisasthai to dynaton autu enegen en polle makrothymia skeue orges KATARTISMENA eis apoleian"

English: "What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath FITTED to destruction"

The word that is translated in English as FITTED is the word KATARTISMENA. The noun of this word is KATARTISIS. Although there is not a precise respective in English for what it means, in general it means study, spiritual training, aquasition of spiritual supplies, spiritual forming etc. Thus what the verse means is that those vessels of wrath trained/formed themselves to be like that, wanted and worked in their mind to be against God's will.

Often a problem arises from not so successful translations. Even in modern Greek Gospels the word used is PREPARED which leads one to think that God Himself made and prepared some people to become vessels of wrath, which is absolutely wrong. Thit also violates God's rule that people must use their FREE will to accept Him. Your explanation is great.

Giannis, the last kingdom on earth, is the kingdom of God.

Luke 16:6 The law and prophets were until John, since that time the kingdom of God is preached....

AMEN to that Susan!!!

Link - Hi Ringo, the page about how to become a Christian lists verses about that. God bless.