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Hello David, thanks for your reply.

Okay, I would like you to be the first person to say to someone who has called on the name of the Lord to be saved and believed the gospel, but has then turned away, that they were never really saved or born again when they first called on God to be saved, This makes God out to be a liar in His word and will likely cause someone to resist returning to such a God who will not truly save someone who seeks Him to be saved through Jesus. I know many people who have this history. My sons are among these, i will never tell them that, though believe since childhood and into their teens but then turned away that they were never saved or born again. This implies that children may not be truly saved when they believe the gospel. Or someone who was a strong believer for many years and through hardships or the draw of the world has turn away. You be the first to tell such a person, that God did not really save them when they believed all those years.

Jesus said that I have come to save the lost, even those who where "of His flock" and turned away. He leaves the 99 and seeks after the one who strayed. In the parable of the prodigal son, who was of His household, but walked away, upon his return the father said that his son was dead; but now he is alive.

But, David, I do not want to make an debate over this topic. I understand your viewpoint and respect that you are free to keep it, as I can do with mine.

Hello Gerald

1. Where exactly does it say that Peter was a "stone"?

2. I won't get into an argument about who is exactly the "rock" that Jesus meant. I don't think it is something essential, it is not a doctrine anyway. And to be honest I am not sure which one is right (the one that is the most acceptable in my church is the no. 2 in my previous post). But let's examine it. Firstly I want to say that I am in agreement with what you have written so far about Jesus on this topic. But lets see that conversation again. Peter says to Jesus that He is the Son of God. Jesus answers him that Simon(his real name) is a stone(Peter) and upon this stone He will build His church. So if you were a witness at that time what would you had assumed that Jesus meant? The obvious I think. Peter was a dynamic personality, that is why Jesus called him a "rock", he wasn't soft, he wasn't unstable. He had done some mistakes before Pentecost, but afterwards him and the rest and Jesus' brothers carried the load of spreading the Gospel everywhere. Of course Jesus(Word of God) is the foundation of our faith. But Jesus Himself didn't establish any church. The church was initiated on Pentecost after Peter's preaching to Jews, and from there on him and all the other apostles and disciples carried those good news all over the world under God's Grace.

The Catholics claim that he was the 1st Pope. But none of the 12 seems to had been a pastor. Peter in 1 Peter 5:1 calls himself an elder just like the other elders, not higher than them. In grk the terms elder and bishop are alternated in the text, they mean the same thing. Long later in some denominations like in Catholics the Bishop became a leader. But in Acts bishop is just another name for an elder. So Peter was an elder. Paul was not an elder, but an apostle. Similarly John seems to not had been an elder either. So that claim of Catholics' is not right. But even if it is right, this doesn't make the Bishop(Pope) of Rome higher than any other.

Thanks Ronald, for your prayers. Enjoy this time with family and friends.

DJ Grim, ONLY word tree in Psalms 105: in verse 33; "He smote(struck)their vines also & their fig trees; & brake (splintered) the trees of their coasts(territory)". Absolutely Nothing about being nailed to a tree. Praise goes to Jesus for our sins that HE was nailed to said cross.! Furthermore, He, God/Jesus remembers them (our sins) no more. We ask God for forgiveness in Jesus name hence 'through HIM we are saved'. To GOD be all glory *The word cross is mentioned 28 times in new testament. Esword dictionary states: From the base of G2476; a stake or post (as set upright), that is, (specifically) a pole or cross (as an instrument of capital punishment); figuratively exposure to death, that is, self denial; by implication the atonement 'of Christ':-cross. 'The cross' is the place where all the wounds of sin are healed. If you suffer from emotional problems--guilt, anxiety, depression, anger, or whatever-there is healing in the "cross of Christ". If you are going through tragedy or suffering, there is comfort in abundance as you contemplate the sufferings of the 'spotless Savior' on your behalf. Who was standing by "the Cross of Jesus"? Many a witness that HE was nailed to "a cross" Simply put, the meaning of "the cross" is death. "The Cross" is a great contradiction. A simple upright post with a transverse bar used crucifixion. It's a symbol of death, but so much more. Death and life, hate and love, violence and peace, accusation and forgiveness, sin and purity, brokenness & wholeness, all is lost yet everything is gained, destruction & restoration, defeat and victory. Once the cruelest form of execution, *yet now it is a symbol 'of abundant life*'. The Life JESUS gave to save anyone willing to except Him for dying for their sins. God showed great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners ( Romans 5:8). I feel, it's the unbelievers way to demean Jesus death & resurrection by calling it a tree. He died4U & loves you, RESPECT HIM PLEASE.!!

I am having a terrible time in my so many losses and bad tragedies. please can you pray for me God is going to do a miracle in my job and life situation soon. I have Been trying to get a job. Needing a open door miracle for a job soon.

Hey Richard,

I agree an eclipse does not last for three hours, the dark time when Jesus was on the cross. I feel many things will not be clear until they start. Like what was said about the beast, Rev. 13:4 "who is able to make war with him?" In today's world what beast could be that China, the US, Russia, and the world would be defenseless to make war? We just need to be ready and watching.

My understanding is different, I know many believe in the rapture of the church and will be taken to heaven and the 7 years from Daniel placed at the end times. My understanding of Daniel 9:27 has been fulfilled, the whole prophecy was about the Messiah and the lost sheep of Israel. Jesus's ministry, the first 3.5 years and Jesus through His apostles the last 3.5 years, which ended the 70 weeks. Dan. 9:24 the things determined, then the gospel was taken to the Gentiles. The first was Philip the evangelist, Acts 8:5.

I feel it will start when Satan is cast out of heaven, Rev.12:8-9.

God bless,

RLW

RE: 2 Peter 3:5

Present day scoffers are willingly ignorant of literal 6 days creation written with the finger of God as stated in Exodus 20 and 31.

Specifically the creation and flood accounts in Genesis. Uniformitarianism, proclaimed by evolutionists, is anticipated and warned against. The flood account does not allow for millions of years but instead accounts for the evidence in nature.

God Bless,

Creation Truth

Thanks, GiGi hope you are feeling better, you are in my prayers, I don't post my prayers. Merry Christmas to you and all on this site.

God bless,

RLW

Praise be to GOD for our sins are nailed to a tree and He remembers them no more Hallelujah

GiGi,

I quote from your response to Adam...

"Adam has not said that we need to obey God to be saved or do any sort of "work". He does not say that we need to continue to obey God to stay saved. He does say that one can turn away from God once born again through disobedience. Our good works and obedience do not "keep" us saved, but our disobedience and apostasy will bring us back to a state of spiritual death."

If we have truly become "saved" it means that we have become Born Again, that God has given us a Resurrected Soul in which we will have an earnest ongoing desire to be obedient to what God reveals to us in the Bible, both in doctrine and in practice. It means that we have past from DEATH into LIFE in our Soul. It means that we are Eternaly Secure and CANNOT lose our salvation.

If we fall away it means that we in all likelyhood have not become Born Again and are still UNSAVED and remain in a condition of Spiritual Death. Not that we have returned to that state.

Wonderfully, however, that is not the end of the story. God continues to save His Elect right up until the very Last Day. Anyone that is still living, including ourselves, may be one of God's Elect and God has obligated Himself to save every one of His Elect.

But God's Elective program is GOD'S business; it is not OUR business. it's not our job to decide who are Elect and who are not. Only God knows.

If we are uncertain about our own Salvation it is still the Day of Salvation and we can still cry to God for His Mercy in the Hope that He might save us, Just like the Ninevites (Read Jonah 3 and Matt 12:41).

Psalm 34:18 Psalm 51:17

If we have loved ones or others for whom we are concerened about their salvation we can, and are in fact encouraged, to pray for their salvation, if it is His will. Knowing that if they are one of His Elect, they will certainly become saved.

Always recognizing that God determines who and when He saves anyone. God does all the work of salvation on His time table

"M E R R Y C H R I S T M A S EVERYONE & AN EVEN HAPPIER NEW YEAR (and the year to come).! JESUS IS THE BEST GIFT YOU CAN GIVE ANYONE. WE MAY NOT HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER, YET TOGETHER WE HAVE IT ALL! This time of year most ppl want to help everyone so first pray allowing God to guide you & give you proper discernment for He knows all truth & who is really in need or merely wanting the next fix. Not what you think yet, that feeling you get-well, it's Him so follow it". Ohtay, if electric goes out, I wanna pray for each & everyone of y'all to have the best holiday season ever.! Love as He first Loved us. Forgive & you Will be forgiven. Praise God for Everything, even the hard times cuz through those, we grow in His wisdom. When you see someone without a smile, give them one of yours! Every now & then, pay it forward, like if your going through a drive thru, to the person behind you. To a grocery store clerk, waitress, person in uniform or a Teacher. God bless & be w/each & everyone, Amen. oh wait, that wasn't a prayer..lol haven't slept all night I'm so excited I already cleaned & now I get to cook yeeha.. My 2 faves.! Prayers I get the fireplace to stay burnin, Brrr its cccold , bbfn fellow KJV 1611s p.s same to the owners of this site too. p.s.s (if there is such thing, haha) Keep praying for the evil in this lovely world. Love the sinner not the sin.

1 Peter Chapter 5

6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

Ill add you and your family to our prayers Josephine.

God bless you!

Heavenly Father thank you for your son Jesus as well as your Love, Forgiveness & Grace. Lord I ask that you please be w/Derek especially at night when its super cold & the sun isn't out to help warm him. Let your son shine in him keeping him strong, lifting him up & giving him the strength & wisdom to endure. Find him better shelter to keep warm Lord & all the help he needs, oh & food. In Jesus precious name, Amen.! I feel for ya. I was homeless from Nov 2021-about a month ago. Though for a few months I was at a shelter. Do you have a shelter around you? As rough as it is please be strong. Do your best to ask EVERYONE: churches, a sign asking for a roof even if its a shed, government assisting type offices to apply for such. shelters may have a blanket or if there is any type of clothing place. With the Holidays things may not be open for a few days. Furniture places have things by dumpster too! I Pray it doesn't snow yet find a overlaying type bush by a river bed or building to sleep under, so even if it does, you'll be warm. Something to block the wind too. During the day look for things you'll need to help with a shelter like plastic bags, news paper, rocks or bricks not owned to hold things down, bottles w/lids to pee in, clothing laying around yet not on a clothes line & even dumpster dive, It all helps. Plus, fast food places, or any restaurant, through away food every night. Find one that has a smoker out back & ask them. You figure they have to have a heart keeping them alive cuz they sure don't have lungs...lol Yet if your a smoker it would be wise to save money (if have any form of income) to get what you need first (or pace yourself) then pick up the nasty habit again. If at all. Been there done that too :) With Jesus in your heart, Have a Safe warm Christmas & an even Happier New Year & keep in mind: all we need is Jesus for HE is the best gift you could ask for.! Ask around for jobs, even little pay. This time of year there is more need of help.! ok?

I once had a number of conversations with a Muslim ,a sincere man but one quite ignorant of God .

Who in one of our last conversations in which he held in his hand the Koran in Arabic and the opposite page an English translation . He surprised me by saying " only the Koran in Arabic is the true word of God " ( so he believed) Astonished ,I replied " have you been lying to me then ?He answered no! I pointing to his book asked is that book lying then? His answer was the same .is God an Arab then? He equally astonished said "No".

I said is God an Englishman ? One time they thought perhaos he was . But He isn't .

Is God Chinese? and other examples to prove the point .

For God is none of them , you might argue that Jesus was a Jew after the flesh but still you cannot argue God is .

All those languages then are all mans langauge . God must therefore if you will have His own language.

Who " humbles himself to speak to man"

It is not then the langauge it is translated into that is the " original" but God who inspired men so to write what it is written .

The devil changed that "Word of God that came forth out of His mouth" into a lie .

Men still do it today and still boast in their " better understanding" of the original texts but prove otherwise .

An overconfidence in understanding or having a knowledge of Greek or Hebrew has led many into gross error .

Even as an overconfidence in one's intellectual abilities has as well .

In the same measure as the Holy Spirit was needed to inspire men to,so write the scriptures so He is needed to understand what is written in what ever language it is written in .

We are very fortunate in this country to have had the KJV for so long but men in their pride have cast it aside and think otherwise and by many in the church it is despised and rejected .

While other versions are held in high esteem ,for reasons which escape me and they would be hard to explain .

Yet Paul does not fit that criteria .

The trouble with this is that which usually goes along with it .

That the gifts of the Spirit no longer happen as too miracles etc .

This clearly is not true .

God has not changed yet we seem to have made our God set in aspic or stone .

And many have " heard of thee" but how many " now seeeth thee"?

Moses had heard of God as he grew up . But a day came when he met the Living God .

Gideon had heard of God but he too had a day when he met the living God and the lines of a lively communication were established .

Samuel had heard of God and had served in the temple for a number of years but he "knew not the Word of the Lord "

It could even be said of Isiah .

And what about Saul of Tarsus ?

and others .

An assertion is not an ' argument' and to assert all three are applicable has to be substantiated with an argument .

The Lord stating thou art Peter a " stone" not a rock he clearly differentiated Himself " the Son of the living God" the Rock ,from Peter ,the stone .

GB

" NOW faith is.."

It is written that because He loved them he delayed going to them . Mary said if you had come earlier you could have healed him .

Her faith was in the past and was thus ineffective .

Martha said that she believed Hecwouid raise him up at the end . Her faith was in the future and thus ineffective.

Jesus replied to her " I AM the resurrection and the life "

The Lord is always present ,now .

And while we may and should have a "sure and certain hope" for the future , our faith must always be and can only operate in the

"Now"

Merry Christmas to you as well & a Happier New Year.!

Praying. God is able!

I'm praying for you this morning. In Jesus name. The Lord is able.

A, I'm praying over your requests this morning. In Jesus name The Lord is faithful.

Julia, I'm praying for you this morning, in Jesus name.

Praying for you.

I'm praying for you today. In Jesus name. For healing and wisdom.God bless you.

Yes and amen!

He is worthy of all of the honor, glory, and praise that we can pour out upon Him.

Please pray that I have energy strength protection favor great health do an excellent job it's not busy at work today and tonight and I can go to the store ijnip amen

In Jesus name.

David, I'm praying for your family. For Louie. For Christmas miracles.

There are but two forms of righteousness . That righteousness that is of the Law .

And that righteousness that is by faith .

Jesus fulfilled the Law and justified by the law . He walked by faith and was also righteous by faith .

We who are true born children of God are not saved by baptism for it is written that in baptism we are buried with Christ .." only the dead are buried .

But we do willingly ( by grace) conform to Christ .

We "uphold the Law " for we die and are crucified with Christ confessing our sin and putting our faith in Him who died for us all .

And are then justified by faith in Christ .whoGod raised from the dead " for our justification "