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Imagine the disciples sitting and listening to Jesus words. Jesus words in the book of John ,Mathew, Mark, Luke, word for word written perfectly according to the Holy Spirit, while John is exiled on an Island, the last only and the closest to Christ. What is amazing, while each book is different, in the end it is the perfect combination needed for what we need for our learning, and yet it allows us the freedom to look into those things that freely belong to us, opening our eyes ever wider unto eternal life!

The words are Christs, they are a well spring unto eternal life!

"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled!" This is what you seek! His spirit will guide and direct you! Jesus first sermon on the mountain would be a great place to meet Him!

Sanctification comes through faith, Baptism comes through the Holy spirit, the washing of regeneration, a renewal of our body and spirit, the miracle we all wish to see, and will!

Always remembering, it is not us, but what He did on the Cross!

That we might have life and have it more abundantly!

Repent and be Baptized

Yes Jimbo , my thoughts are....the same as yours exactly in this matter , I believe that 70 years is counted as a generation in this instance and that the year 1948 is deeply significant , I know a few others who also think that the six day war of 1967 is also very important . I do wonder if it might be a bit of wishful thinking on our part as we so desperately await the return of Our Lord . Let's hope , most fervently , that Christ returns soon . I love life , I love waking up every day , I love to see God all over His beautiful creation but these kingdoms of men , our doings , really get me down sometimes . It's only God who truly cheers me up and gets me through each day . May Christ return soon , when it is God's will . Acts chapter 1 verses 1-11 and Zechariah chapters 12 ,13 and 14 . Our best days are to come .

That's great news GiGi, PTL - both for your son & yourselves, that all is well in your home.

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Then speaking of faults, may I list just a few verses 'of concern' (in Caps), just in the very chapter we're referring to. And these errors might be very slight even inconsequential to you, nevertheless they can be concerning to some:

a. Revelation 22:4: "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be IN their foreheads." The Greek gives that word as 'epi' = on. Most translations picked up on this, KJV didn't.

b. Revelation 22:11: "He that is UNJUST, let him be UNJUST still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, LET HIM BE HOLY still." For 'unjust', it should be 'unrighteous' (Gk. adikeo) and for 'let him be holy', the Greek is 'hagiastheto', which is 'let him be made holy' still: implying a continued progression in holy living (as opposed to the finality of the unrighteous).

c. Revelation 22:12: "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to GIVE every man according as his work shall be." Greek is 'apodounai', which is 'to give back, to return, to restore'.

I only share these few examples to show that, at least in the Greek Lexicons we have, there are variations in translations of the Bible, even in the KJV. These may be considered minor & certainly they are if compared to verses that are missing or distorted in other translations; but the question is 'where do we draw the line as to what translation is absolutely faithful to the words given to the apostle?' In my perception, none meet that absolute criterion, but overall, in spite of the many negative opinions by others about the KJV, I still consider it the best we have - but not perfect by any means.

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Hi Jimbob & thanks for your comment. After going through it, I think we can focus on the Book of the Revelation as your comments appear to center on that.

You asked, "Ok which Bible does that book of Revelation have to be in?; referring to Revelation 22:7,18,19. Even as verse 10 states, "And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand." So we know that Jesus is speaking of this particular prophecy that He gave to John, to which John faithfully recorded. Had he not done so, I feel sure that he would have been checked, reprimanded & also become the first recipient of the dire warnings given in verses 18 & 19.

So what John had recorded was then passed on, presumably as copies to the Churches. Now for us, does it become a matter of which Bible version is the exact representation of Jesus' Message to John, considering the many hands it has passed through & the great passage of time as well? One could say, 'it does matter for we must read it as originally given' (and as you believe, the KJV is that version). But really apart from what we have now in our hands, we cannot refer to anything that the translators received & studied, & certainly not the original writings. So, if we are to state, 'KJV & nothing else', we must be entirely certain that it faithfully represents the original; to say that the words or prophecies given at the beginning can only find its complete accuracy in the KJV & nothing else, lacks verifiable proof. Why I say this, is because the contents of the Bible never point to the KJV as the repository of Truth - only one's acquired belief that the KJV is without error.

I just want to praise the Lord. My son who lives with us tested positive for covid last week and now he is cleared to return to work. He did not have much in the way of symptoms. But I want to thank the Lord that neither my husband nor I contracted covid from him. I just got over a month-long respiratory infection, so my system is a bit weak. But God preserved me from another infection. Hallelujah!

I have submitted prayer request for Jeff before. He is my husbands friend since Junior High. He has bone cancer that now is brain cancer, too. There is nothing else the medical field can do for his cancer. He is making arrangements to go on Hospice soon.

Please pray that my husband can visit with him soon and pray that my husband will be moved to share the gospel with him. Mu husband, Steve, has pretty much been in denial about Jeff's condition, not facing up to how bad and advanced the cancer is in his brain. This is a hard time for Jeff and his family. It is hard for Steve, too. It is tough when people our own age are dying, but we must think of the good of the ones we love who will only be here for a little while longer and care for their eternal destiny. I pray that Steve will heed my suggestions for him to share the gospel with Jeff. it is the most loving thing he can do for his friend.

St4eve is very private about his faith, being an introvert, but may the Holy Spirit help him to rise above that and obey God in this situation. How much better it will be if he does share and Jeff receives the salvation of Jesus. Then we can know we will see him in heaven forever.

So, true Jimbob,

Hope to speak with you more. Glad you came on this forum.

Richard, Yes, we can know that God has prepared the most wonderful and best place for us to spend eternity.

Adam must have seen so much in his 900+ years. I often wonder about him, if he was a God-follower after his encounter with God in the garden after his sin or if he resisted God's grace. I tend to think that he continued to follow God because of all humans, only he and Eve knew what it was like prior to their sin and then they were given the promise of salvation in Gen. 3:15. God must have said other things to Adam and Eve that were not recorded.

When I see how beautiful our world is despite it "groaning to put on the incorruptible" I am so convinced that God will prepare for us a most beautiful, pleasing, satisfying, and appropriate place for us to enjoy Him forever. With the internet, we can see photos from all over the world of the beauty of this world, whereas prior to this, we could not see what was in most of the world outside of "our own backyard", so to speak. But seeing so many photos that almost take my breath away, I can only praise Him and trust Him in all that He has planned for me and all of his adopted children by grace.

Let's remember to pray for those in Turkey and Syria who have been affected by these terrible earthquakes that claimed so many lives and injured so many others. I saw the rescuers pull a newborn baby out from the rubble whose mother gave birth and then died. I pray that that babe has a wonderful family that will raise him up rightly in the Lord. Somewhat of a miracle that he was found alive and unharmed.

But there is great need, So pray that God will send many workers and resources so that, perhaps, many more can be found alive.

Please pray for me to do a great job at work tomorrow! For energy, focus and strength for me, and for me to keep my eyes on Jesus, and to be positive! in Jesus name!

Timeline for the Lastdays? In Mt.24:34 Jesus says Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (For all things to be fulfilled, that would no doubt be the last generation, now when could that generation have started? When Israel became a nation in 1948. How long is a generation? Ps.90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away. A generation is 70 years, but if by reason of strength it be 80 years, then that last 10 years would be a time of labour and sorrow! From 1948 to 2018 is 70 years. So by this verse we are 5 years into the time period the verse calls (labour) and (sorrow). (labour) #5999; toil, wearing effort, worry of body or mind, iniquity, miserable (-sery) pain (-ful) sorrow, trouble, wearisome, wickedness. (sorrow) #205; to pant, (hence to exert oneself) usually in vain, to come to naught, also trouble, vanity, wickedness, affliction, evil, false, unjust, unrighteous, vain, vanity, wicked (-ness) (The meanings of the words labour and sorrow in the oringinal languages show us exactly what we are dealing with and living today! And went it is cut off "we fly away" Any thoughts, anybody?

Amen, That certainly is a blessing Richard.

That's the type of Facility my brother is in.

My the Lord lead you in your efforts

God bless.

Hi Teresa.

I would like to add to what Gigi has already shared.

You asked, "WHO is the CAUSE of suffering ?

I believe the cause of suffering goes back to the Garden of Eve.

All of God's creation was effected by the fall.

We suffer physically and emotionally.

And we suffer persecution because of our new birth.

We have a sin nature in this EARTHY TABERNACLE.

Romans 5:12 says "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and SO DEATH PASSED UPON ALL MEN, FOR THAT ALL HAVE SINNED:

Look at Romans 8:18-23.

For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

8:22 FOR WE KNOW THAT THE WHOLE CREATION GROANETH AND TRAVAILETH IN PAIN TOGETHER UNTIL NOW.

8:23 AND NOT ONLY THEY, BUT OURSELVES ALSO, WHICH HAVE THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THE SPIRIT, EVEN WE OURSELVES GROAN WITHIN OURSELVES, WAITING FOR THE ADOPTION, TO WIT, THE REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY.

We see what it will be like when all God's creation is redeemed in

Revelation 21:1-4.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Due to continuing space parameters it seems I need to remain a few feet away from the patients and my initial inquiry into visiting individuals in their rooms is not something I have been granted permission to do at present. There are others I am praying for (such as roommates) that are not in the meeting space along with some people that haven't said much at present. Thankfully; the lady who does activities works there full time and undoubtably has more access. She has been given requests by residents and should be there every other weekend (perhaps this Sunday depending on her schedule). Maybe she can bring some people in or give me some more latitude there as I continue. Her boss is in charge of the whole program for activities and is saved so for now I am getting permission to bring more Bibles into the reading room and have asked him about tracts. I will have to see about that. Getting in early has allowed me a bit more interaction as well.

Thanks for your concerns there.

Agape; Rich P

I am a Sunday school teacher who want to learn all that I. Can about the Bible

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; ..."( 1 Cor. 13:22)

There are enough descriptions of the heavenly city; the New Jerusalem to sufficiently convince our minds of the riches of His glory to come. One must; however get beyond what Satan himself beheld before his fall. All the riches of splendor are of no avail when the soul has become proud; corrupted and rotten. Compare this to the state of Adam after his fall when he saw an earthly paradise slowly decay to thorns in his garden; his progeny being about the first murder with Cain slaying Abel; and finally watching the antidiluvian world quickly spiral out of control hastening toward judgment before his own demise.

With both heaven and earth it is; of course God's glory which is the center of attention as He is the Creator of all things. The Spirit within testifies to our spirit that we are the children of God ( Romans 8:16). A dwelling place is being prepared for us suitable for our new roles as kings and priests; and eventually for us to partake in a new heaven and earth where there is no more death; and sorrow ( Rev. 5:10; 21:4).

Our earth at present is contaminated; ripe for judgment because of the sin of men; and fallen angels. Psalm 140:3 states that the "poison of asps is under their lips." There are numerous other verses about wicked men; and the fact that we were all enemies of Christ before being granted repentance ( Romans 5:10; 2 Tim. 2:25; etc.) Once we are saved; we stop looking within and focusing on ourselves; and we can look to Christ and His church as part of a future; a heavenly calling and thus truly be free to serve and love our Creator. The rest of the world; of course is caught up with created things; forgetting that the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God ( 1 Cor. 3:19). Thus; all the A.I. world with it's endless violence; cyber fantasies and other vain imaginations will as a vapor pass away as will all we hold dear to other than God in this world.

1John 4:13-21, Psalms 56:3,4,11, Psalms 112, Psalms 18:2-6, Proverbs 3:25, Psalms 31:24, Psalms 27:14,

Hopefully these are helpful

You're welcome GiGi. We should always remember Iron sharpens Iron! Nobody has all the answers from the Word of God. But the Lord is revealing His truth more every day. In Heb.4:12 it says for the word of God is (quick) and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,. The word (quick) #2198; it means to live, (a-) live. The word of God is alive. Amen

Damascus was a place mentioned several times in Old Testament, Genesis 14:15, Genesis 15:2, 2Samuel 8:5,6, 1Kings 11:1-25, 1Kings 19:14-18, 1Kings 20, 2Chronicles 16,

2Kings 5,

2Kings 8, notice 2Kings 8:12,13, 2Chronicles 24:23, 2Chronicles 28:5,23,

Isaiah 7:8,9, Isaiah 8:4, Isaiah 10:9, Isaiah 17, James 1:5,

In the New Testament it's the road to Damascus was the place of Saul's conversion to Paul: Acts 9, Acts 22, Acts 26, it's symbolic to many Christians as a turning point in Christian faith.

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

Let's remember to pray for those in Turkey and Syria who have been affected by these terrible earthquakes that claimed so many lives and injured so many others. I saw the rescuers pull a newborn baby out from the rubble whose mother gave birth and then died. I pray that that babe has a wonderful family that will raise him up rightly in the Lord. Somewhat of a miracle that he was found alive and unharmed.

But there is great need, So pray that God will send many workers and resources so that, perhaps, many more can be found alive.

Jimbob,

My NIV has that verse just as you quoted from the KJV, My NKJV does not have the I believe... part. So, I do think that where there are verses that conflict, are left out or added, whatever the version, we should make it known to others so that we can use that information in a good way. Thanks for the info.

Matthew 25:31-46,

Matthew 25:31-46, 2Peter 2, James 2, James 4, Matthew 24:42-51, Romans 14:12,

Hope these help

GiGi thank you again. I stand firm on the Word of God meaning exactly what it says, I believe every Word of God is pure just like my Bible tells me. I believe every Word of God is preserved for ever just like my Bible tells me. I don't think modern versions have the integrity and good intent with their translations that you do. The following verse is in the KJB but missing in many of the modern versions, in my opinion there's a reason for that and it has nothing to do with good intentions! Acts.8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, ((I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God)). Again thank you GiGi.

Hello Richard. Although the English language has had continual changes over the years, it is generally accepted that the KJV, translated in 1611, eventually was revised in 1769 into today's (Modern) English.

According to a bar graph of the history of the English language, when the KJV was first translated (in what was called Early Modern English), this era began in the late 1400s till the early 1600s. So, in a sense, had the 1611 KJV translation work waited a little longer, it might have made it into the Modern English era. I wonder how those translators & printers would have felt when that change, however gradual, happened!

Notice Revelation 10:7, 1Corinthians 13:9-13,

James 1:5,

Hopefully these are helpful

Jesus was the fulfillment of Scripture in the Old Testament. Luke 24:19-27, Psalms 22, Isaiah 53, Zechariah 13:6, & many more.

The Holy Scriptures are broken down in Books & Separated by New Testament & Old Testament, none of which have been accredited as authored by Jesus. However many believe all were written about Jesus (redemption ) The Old Testament is before Jesus was born. The New Testament begins with Jesus birth, death on cross, resurrection from the grave, the witnessed accounts of Jesus life, ministry, miracles. Then continues the Good News os Salvation & ministry of the Church. Christians & Messianic Jews believe in the New Testament as Christ The Messiah the promised everlasting savior. Psalms 93:2, 1Kings 9:5, Zechariah 6:12-13, Psalms 89:3,4, 1Chronicles 17:11-27, Hebrews 8,

Matthew 8:4, Jesus obeyed scripture, Mark 1:44, & Jesus parents on Earth obeyed scripture, Luke 2:22,

Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit = Luke 11, John 20:21-22, Luke 12, Acts 1:5, John 14:16,26, John 15:26,

2Timothy 3:16

Hope these are helpful

Thank you all friends and dear family members in the Lord Jesus Christ. We all walk our lives with God today. This day can make a difference. And it's good not to see the future in a way too.

I now have a prayer topic where people who are in my vicinity and people I meet must be touched by that love, that is, and carry with The Holy Spirit. If we imagine that we come to a place where it is crawling with worms and scorpions, and all other reptiles and animals. And we come walking there with the gospel of peace treading on our feet. Does what Jesus says mean that the road will be cleared. Because none of these threats harm us, isn't that so? Luke:19-20 Shall we now listen to the Lord and follow His word to the letter. Does this mean that no matter when a Jesus Christ ppl comes, it is for blessing. After all, we must get the Word and also say whether we really go out in the name of Jesus Christ. I say yes to that always all day and take the the opportunity as soon as it comes. But there is so little growth!

Then I ask myself, what can I do to see the growth, see that people repent from dead works to faith in the Living God? That people come to the realization of the truth and really want to be saved. I ask for that. Pray for me for this, I am on the verge of becoming a full time servants. Together with other faithful servants and maids. Thank you for your intercession in advance and I pray for all of you every day, in one way or another. Know you are loved and valuable, always be happy and walk in peace, I love you all in Christ.

Hello again Jimbob.

Since the KJV was written it may be the most printed (and sold) book IN ENGLISH. But through the centuries and also in many other countries, the Bible is written in other languages and therefore not the KJV. I can pretty much bet that there are more non-English KJV bibles in the hands of Christians around the world now and in the past that have out-sold the KJV. But that said, number of Bibles sold does not do anything to test the veracity of the KJV or any other Bible. Those people reading a non-english Bible (and therefore not a KJV) are still getting saved by what they read and hear preached in their language. The gospel is the power of God for salvation and the Holy Spirit uses it and Scripture to regenerate and teach those who are being saved. It is a work of God, not of man.

Jimbob, I don't think that I have much more to add to this conversation as I think that Chris has answered your inquiry very well. But i sense that you will stand firm on your ideas concerning the KJV, so, to me, for me to comment further is unfruitful.