Revelation Chapter 12 Discussion Page 24

Was the 3rd part of the stars in heaven cast down to the earth when Jesus was born? To my knowledge, no, that did not happen. The dragon did not stand in the manger and devour Jesus at his birth. "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” This verse proves that chapter 12 is written for Christians not Israel. Jews do not acknowledge the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation is a sealed book pertaining only to the events of World War 3. No one in the past could understand its meaning because knowledge of current events is necessary to know what is being revealed. I believe the woman is Christianity that is persecuted and condemned during WW3 and wants to give birth to a "child" that means Christian freedom to worship God. Verse 3 is describing a War battlefront, the Middle East war. "And they loved not their lives unto the death" describes brave men and women that fight to defend the Christian religion. "The 3rd part of the stars in heaven" ... stars are symbolic for missiles. The rod of iron is a nuclear missile that defeats the enemy of Christ and frees the world to be able to worship God once again.

Could the third part of the stars of heaven refer to some advanced technology which the devil will make available to men of science so as to further lead man away from GOD and the truth?

The lord is my shepherd I shall not want, even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I fear no evil for he‘s with me, my rod and staff, he further comforts me also prepares the table before me in the presence of the people of beast/dragon, he made me walk through the still waters for his name sake. Goodness and mercies shall follow us all The days of our lives (believers) then we shall dwell in his paradise ordained of DIAMONDS. In Jesus name, AMEN.

Jehovah, our God will shine and intervene by 2013 to really save his people because the devil is seriously searching for souls to destroy before rapture as implied by the Most High. He liveth and reigneth forever. AMEN.

The time is drawing near for things to be as they were. The church will be persecuted.

@ Boyet,
Let me give you further enlightenment. This woman of Revelation 12:1 is definitely representing the nation of Israel since she was with a child, crying and pained to be delivered. It is the nation of Israel prior to the birth of Jesus Christ under the reign of the Roman Empire appearing in the book of Daniel 7:7. Use the amplified bible version. Her pains represent the sufferings and hardship of the people of Israel crying for salvation. I hope this adds some truth. Thank you.

David Boyce and Boyet, you’re spinning and must be reading a lot of non biblical publications! Just stick to THE WORD OF GOD, please or you will be drawn farther into Satan’s lies! Please.

Revelation 12:17 In the New International Version of the bible, HOLD FAST is found in the last line' Holdfast their testimony about Jesus' showing the bible ends on 12 21 2012 in this area of Saskatchewan and moves us into the era of the Second Coming of Christ who will gain power in 2013. In Revelation 12:7, the Archangel Michael appears in the end time of the bible. This Archangel is tied into the Star of Wormwood found in Revelation 8:11 and thus solves one of the biggest secrets in the Book of Revelation. I will introduce this living angel to the world shortly and show the Archangel Michael code in the bible so your viewers can see for themselves. Revelation 12:17 is found in the angels birthday as is 8:11 and 12:7. 12:7 is mistranslated as the polyglot bible shows a female. If you find her surname in the scriptures and go on her surname wikipedia site, you will see my last name. She was found at birth.

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and did cast them to the earth - we know from the book of Revelation 1:20 that the stars represent Angels. So here the third part of the stars represents all the fallen angels who sided with the devil when war broke out in heaven and were cast down with him after losing the fight in Revelation 12:7-9. He caused them to rebel against God through deception. And the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, Israel waiting patiently for salvation from the Messiah- for to devour her child as soon as it was born. KING HEROD SEEKING TO KILL THE MESSIAH OR JESUS CHRIST AS A CHILD IN BETHLEHEM. HE HOPED TO DESTROY HIS EARTHLY KINGDOM BEFORE IT EVEN BEGAN.

THE SUN -REPRESENTS JACOB. THE MOON -REPRESENTS RACHEL. God revealed this mystery when he made known his plan about how he was going to use Joseph to save his own family from the worst famine in Canaan. The woman represents the nation of Israel derived from the twelve sons of Jacob represented by a crown of twelve stars upon the head of the woman. A crown of 12 stars - twelve sons of Jacob. Genesis 35:22-26.

I REALLY ENJOYED READING, IT SPEAKS THE TRUTH.

Matthew 2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SATAN ATTEMPTED TO KILL HIM\'--AND GOD TOLD HIS PARENTS WHO HAD CONTROL OF JESUS AS A CHILD

Some people identify the woman of Revelation 12 as Israel. But, where does it say in the bible that Israel "fled into the wilderness" to be protected and nourished by God AFTER the messianic child has been enthroned in heaven? These verses clearly describe what God does for His People of the New Covenant after Christ’s coming, not the Israel of the Old era. Some people also say that the woman of Revelation is the Church, but the ecclesial interpretation by itself DOES NOT make sense of all the data, for Revelation 12:1–5 portrays the woman as the mother of Jesus Christ. If the woman represents the Church, we must ask, how could the Church give birth to Jesus Christ? Rather, it should be the other way around!

Three main characters emerge in this scene: the woman, her male child, and the dragon. The woman gives birth to the male child, who is attacked by the dragon. The child is caught up to God and enthroned, while the dragon is defeated and cast down ( Rev. 12:1–9). Two of the three characters are easily identifiable. The dragon is explicitly identified as "that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan" (12:9). The male child is Jesus Christ, for he is described as destined to "rule all the nations with a rod of iron" ( Rev. 12:5) a reference to the description of the messianic king in Psalm 2:9. Furthermore, since the child is caught up to God and sits on His throne, most scholars identify the child as Jesus Christ. The other two main characters are identified as individuals (the male child being Jesus Christ, and the dragon Satan), it seems unlikely that the third major character is only a symbol for a collective group. Rather, if the dragon and the child represent individuals, the woman also is likely to be an individual.

The woman of Revelation 12 is the BLESSED VIRGIN MARY. A Marian interpretation avoids the pitfalls of views that see the woman not as an individual at all, but only as a symbol for the People of God. Such an either-or proposition itself is foreign to the biblical worldview in which individuals often symbolically represent collective groups (e.g., Romans 5:19, where Adam represents all humanity, and Psalm 44:4, where Jacob stands for all of Israel). Given this biblical notion of individuals representing larger groups of people, the woman in Revelation 12 could be understood as both an individual (Mary) and a representative of God’s People as a whole. And the Blessed Virgin Mary is just the right person to embody both the Old and New Covenant since she herself stands at the hinge between the and the New. If there was one woman in salvation history who could represent both Israel and the beginning of the New Covenant People of God, it would be the Blessed Virgin Mary.

this scripture refers to the faithful of god the true believers who are the bride of christ, both of Isreal and of christians, it also speaks of the twelve stars as a crown which are the twelve tribes of Isreal also the twelve apostoles, and the dragon is saton the flood is the flood of Noah and the king is Jesus the christ who sits at the right hand of the father until he comes again. these scripture are what was what is and what will be.

Dear William, you are blessed of God, and Jesus wants you to know that after the rapture of the Church the day of the Lord begins. A Jewish day begins in darkness, and ends in light. There will be war in heaven Satan will be cast down to the earth, and he will persecute the woman, who is the nation Israel. God will protect her, and Jesus will come at the end of the seven years to set up his kingdom for 1000 years. We will reign with Christ in the kingdom. Then after this Satan will be loosed from the bottomless pit to deceive the nations for a brief period of time, and God shall bring fire down from heaven to end the rebellion. Satan shall be cast in the lake of fire where the Anti- Christ, and the false teacher are. The kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and God will make a new heaven, and earth. So praise God we have nothing to worry about we win, as the last book of the bible Rev.22 tells us, and we are to watch and pray now for that day will come as a thief in the night upon the whole world. We are of the day, and that day of the Lord shall not catch us unawares.

The woman of Revelation 12 is Mary the mother of Jesus because we can consider 12 in light of another passage in the Johannine tradition: Mary at the Cross in John 19:25–27. In John 19, we see from an earthly perspective what happens on Calvary: Jesus is crucified by the Romans while His mother and the beloved disciple stand at the foot of the Cross. Revelation 12 portrays the same scene, but from a heavenly perspective, so we can see with the eyes of angels what really happens on Good Friday: Calvary is the climactic cosmic showdown between God and the devil, and the real force behind Christ’s crucifixion is not the Romans, but Satan. While John 19 presents soldiers nailing Jesus to a cross, Revelation 12 shows us the dragon waiting to devour the male child and fiercely battling the forces of heaven ( Rev. 12:4–5, 7) and the son emerging victorious, enthroned in heaven, while the devil is defeated and cast down (12:5–9). All these parallels "woman," birth pains, Satan’s defeat, the mother of Christ, and the mother of Christ’s followers—show a unity of thought about the woman figure in John’s writings. Therefore, if the woman in John 19 is clearly understood to be Mary, the woman in 12 also should be seen as Mary.

Will you explain this in english i'm a kid trying to learn about after the rapture

what does this mean?

It is interesting that so many view this text as meaning one third of the stars of heaven, when the verse clearly states;the third part of the stars of heaven. The third part is not the same as one third. The third part is in reality three parts after the first part and two parts before the fifth part,four parts before the seventh part and so on. So the question is, what is the third part of the stars of heaven?

1. And there appeared a great wonder (sign) in heaven; a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet,and upon her head a crown ot twelve stars: (12 sons)
2. And she being with child cried,(Jesus)travailing in birth,(birth of a new age on earth in the flesh) and pain to be delivered.( Birth of the age of salvation to be borned of woman. Not knowing of before so that you can make a choice. Love God and be good or love satan and live wicked. Run the race to eternal life and shed the sins for our Father loves us all but you must want to live a good life. Satan don't love no body.
3. And there appeared another wonder(sign. 2 signs to watch. One good and one bad. Two Christ coming One Good and one fake. Jeremiah 24 two baskets of figs, one good and one bad. Sign translates from Greek semeion here "sign" not "treas" wonder.) in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.( this sign appeared at the katabole, cast down overthrow. Satans attempted take over of God and Gods Throne. Lucifer was one of Gods good angels made to almost the full pattern and then after millions of years as a good created man of God there was sin found in satan and this is speaking of the dragon and his leading 7 hells angels with 10 horns of power. A political party to steal what belongs to God. As the dragon it is showing us his method of operation. His established cause,position,his plan at the katabole and to watch this same manner at the end. Keep your watch for the anti-christ translated "instead of Christ". Don't follow a loser.
4. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven,(Gods children) and did cast them to earth:( Matthew 13:37 to 43. Parable of the Sower explained by Jesus of the casting of the childern of God and of the wicked one sending his third that he convinced to go his evil ways. But God loves life for his creations and loves all his children and hopes that all will be saved but God knows that many will die but He cares. Life is very important to our God of life and pure love.) and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. ( satan tried when Jesus was a little one and up to the time that Christ was put on the Cross. Satans kenites, tares, work their way into the position of the church to have Christ killed. Even in the garden in the beginning he tried to destroy Gods plan. Then in chapter 6 satan sent his fallen sons of God to destroy the family the blood line was coming through. Then through Herod a city of children died. Out in that desert when satan tempted Jesus with twisting the words of God during the night I think satan and his bunch were hurting Jesus. But now that the evil side killed Jesus, well, Father can killed satan and his evil bunch and get rid of them and we can have peace.
5.and she (Mary) brought forth a man child,(Jesus) who was to rule all Nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God,( ressurected) and to his throne. King of kings and LORD of lords.
6. And the woman( Isreal,Mary,Elect.) Fled into the wildreness,where she hath a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Solar. 1,260 days, Daniel`s 1,290. Note 600 B.C. the 10 tribes that were scattered. Captive to Syria and went north over the Carcus Mts. And settled in Europe and then to the America`s. Christians Nations of today. In God we trust.
7. And there was war in heaven: Micheal and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels. ( Michael kicking the dragon around.)
8. And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.( no place for satan the dragon in heaven and Michael is getting ready to kick satan to earth.)
9.and the great dragon was cast out. (Booted de-facto to earth.) That old serpent, ( cunning slick talking snake and liar) called the devil, and satan. Which deceiverth the whole world:( what dose he do, deceives. A wolf in sheep clothes bringing peace and buying souls. There will always be wars and rumore of wars,so, what's the opposit, peace as instead of Christ or antichrist.) He was cast out to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Long hair soft spoken preachers saying bring your loved ones to to death or instead of Jesus.

Hello,I have a walking staff and it say's (and the dragon was wroth)it has a dragon carve on it and the dragon has a celtic cross on top of it.

Truly this is a mystery to believe Satan had a place in heaven. The more that this great book is read/studied, the more believeable this gets.
Has one considered the ripple effects this change makes to present theology?

Yes! God loves us! If you want to be that woman that is protected by that Great Eagle you must listen to the verses just before that. Silence and joy in heaven because satan is kicked to earth. Woe! To them of the world that don't know that! Flee from the world, well, flee meaning when you see the one world system forming and if you love Jesus, the true Jesus, get your bills payed up and wait for the true Christ because antichrist comes first or translated "instead of jesus"and if your in Jerusalem, Get Out! That first seal is the first warning in Mark 13 don't be decieved.

The four living beasts are real chosen people todayby God.These four are written in the bible all the way to the end of revelation book.Also written in ezekiel,and daniel.These four are leaders who go all the way,to the end,to lead those left behind in tribulation time.{Living is the key word.}These four are,the chosenwoman,the ruler with iron cepter,and two witnesess.Plain and simple.The lamp stands represent the churches,the candle sticks represent the saints.

1.I saw a time when i was on the streets of london ontario,on dundas st,next to arkaid mission.The day was bright and all of a sudden,the sky went black,the clouds rolled very quickly,like the sea.I was yelling the time of the tribulation,a girl yelled ya right nina.2.I was walking through a field,it was desolate,the mission was moving away from me.As i walked up the field to a forest,the field turned into beautifull flowers.I looked down and saw a purple liloc ,i picked it,tasted it,it tasted sweet.I turned to my left and saw a light in the sky,i then saw a river flowing to oneside,i walked down the river,and saw a angel,who i didnot worship,he said,nina ,do you know why people push you away?No i said why?He said because you have a love that confounds them,and they cant get close to it.This second vision was seen inmy sleep,when i was 18 years of age,bedridden after a operation,because of a tailbone sist.At that time a church was there helping me and God gave me a song.Ill write that song at the end of these visions exsplained as God showed me.3.A building,i was on the floor,on the right of me was a evil entity,i was yelling out in labour pain,i then had a baby boy,and some authorities came out of another area of this building and rescued us.4.I saw a mountain,i saw Jesus Christ comming down from the sky,smiling at me,i was going up and down a river very fast,i ended up on dry land,i saw people in my vision,that died and were alive again,i was preaching the gospel to them.5.I was running through the streets,as i ran i saw people falling to the ground,the sun was very hot,and there flesh was hanging out.6.I saw a vision of me running,i was with a young boy,on a patch of green grass.I heard a authority yell from a helocopter above me,he said stop right there,as the boy ran off,i stopped and the helocopter landed over me.7I saw a tree,under the tree i was preaching the gospel to children,i saw a evil force in the distance,one of the children ran to the otheside,i yelled loudly,dont go there.8.I was on a white horse,with wings,it ran very fast through a field,i was in a white robe,with long white hair.9.In this vision in 2010,i was awake,i saw in the sky,when i walked out on patio,chariots running through the clouds,i was exsited and had to look again,sure enough it was so.I had friends there,and they came out,and i believe they saw them too.Latter at church,they preached on chariots in the sky.9.A black car,a white house,and children that were missing and being abused,i went to this house,and was used by God to recue them,i saw a horse and buggie running down dundas st,with no coach very fast.In 2009,a child went missing in london ontario,tori,and my friends new at my sisters place a organzation about this vision,i latter walked into the place,and they said nina you were right,this child was found near a mininite asstablishment near a river in a field.The vision concerning the tree my friends,you now see a tree on every governmental truch,or sighn in ontario canada.This woman in revelation12,is represented as one who holds up what God is asstablishing concerning the governments.She protects the saints from governmental abuse today.Her teachers are two witnesess in revelations11,one is her biological father,they are chosen by God,and persicuted by the nations,because they dont like how they pretray thereselves today.These two are prophets who preach the gospel of Jesus christ around the world.These are only some of the visions given to me by God.There are more.

I infact believe it would help if i exsplain,the visions first God has given me,then ill proceed.

The woman is a true Chosenwoman,who is persicuted today for the name of Jesus Christ,the dragon is the enemy satan,who is in the form of a man,in presidency.The dragon hates this woman because she bares witness to the one who will come again,as a child in the flesh again today,to finish what He began.He will rule with a iron cepter.In the tribulation time,then He will be taken up by the angel micheal to the clouds.This is the second comming of Jesus Christ.He then will come through the clouds in all His glory,desend on mount zion,where everyone will meet Him as He is,He will judge everyone,be on the throne,and every knee shall bow and every tongue confess Jesus Christ as King of Kings.This is a simple exsplination,ill exsplain in detail as i go.I also will exsplain ezekiel concerning four living beasts and who they are,and revelations11,and who they are.This is based on the creatures and what God has shown me.Then i will tell you about some visions Jesus christ through His holyspirit has given me.Ive had these vision since young age,and never new they were visions that are true and comming true today on earth.

(1)first sign, wonder translated. Going to be two wonders or signs.Mother Israel and 12 Zodiac Job 38:32 Mazzaroth translates 12 signs speaking of Zodiac(vs2) birth of a new age(flesh)(vs 3) satan and his political structure. This structure has 7 and I think the next when he is kicked out by Michael to earth satan has 10.( Vs4) satan stole a thrid of the stars/children of Gods( Job 38:7) and parable of the sowerMatt. 13:36-44. Satan always trying to kill Christ or stop the plan of God. (Vs5) Christ will rule with a rod in this we see He rose from the cross.(6) this Mother is Israel-Mary- elect taken care of by God. Given solar in days.stay out of Isreal at the time cause the next verse of satan gets kicked out and he shows up their for 2 and half months of the 5 months spoken of in chapter 9. (Vs8) satans out on earth didn't win but woe to the earth(vs9) some of satans names.some of the rolls as an actor but not all of them. Tyrus, meaning little rock in Ezekiel 28 is one.

I saw this in the sky last year- Jesus wasn't yet on the horse.
We all know what it means.
Revelation -It is a story of love... "Give testimony of your healing and they overcame him(satan and illness)
by the blood of the Lamb by the word of their testimony and they did not love their lives to the death. -I've witnessed this heal cancer, etc. Don't be afraid. References to fear not are made 365 times in the bible. He really is a God of such a great magnification of love that I can only pray that you be able to feel just a drop and be quenched for eternity. Don't believe anything the press or any media says about Jesus or God unless it is good. In Jesus.
PS. Your sins were/are forgiven.

ISIAIh 41 BRING forth your IDOLS did they PREACH to you see they can’t speak they can’t DO ANYTHING all they do is cause confusion. spalms 115 and spalms 135 thier IDOLS are FALSE cant speak can't hear cant smell and those that make them shall become like them. Jeremiah 10 they nail their IDOL down like a scarecrow it can’t move can'...t speak can’t move must be carried these are nothing but the WORK of CON men. john 10 jesus christ sais his sheep hear his voice and another voice thy will not follow and if another person tries to preach to them they WILL FLEE from him. jeremiah 5 the priests bear rule on their own authority what will you do when your judged my word is not inside them. Now here is the kicker john 5 son of man voice goes back in time mathew 16 jesus christ claims to be the son of man.‎1 cor2 mind of CHRIST preached internally and john 16 sais the spirit of truth comes in the future. Ezekiel 13 lying prophets of ISRAEL my word is not inside them saying god sais god sais god sais wrote hoping mankind would CONFIRM their WORDS. all of this is EASILY verifiable.