Mark Chapter 13 Discussion Page 2

Key word here is to "Watch." V33, v35, v37. Many things will come to pass. We are to be diligent and study, make disciples, pray, and worship. Know that the coming of the Lord is nigh. Study and know the Lord according to Scripture. Jesus is teaching His disciples many things regarding His 2nd coming. This is not the rapture. Two different events.

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"And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory."

Study the whole counsel of God not just parts of His Word. If you do not believe in a "rapture" that's ok. If you are pre, mid, or post trib believer; that is ok too. Just rec' and trust the Lord Jesus as your Savior. You'll just be happy that The Lord God knows His Bible and is faithful to His promises. Know Jesus, know life everlasting. No Jesus, No life everlasting.

Watch and be prepared, expecting the Lord's return at any time.

Mark 13 is the events that will take place at the end times and 2 Thessalonians 2, Matthew 24, Luke 21. Also when you read of the appearance of the false messiah standing up in Jerusalem claiming he is God return and has supernatural powers and the world chases after him you might want to read Revelation 12:7,8,9,10 and catch that Satan is kicked to earth to deceive the world. On the first seal in Revelation check crown and bow you'll see they are fake and the bow is toxin, poison so if you hear the Lord is here or we heard the Lord is there don't go because at the 7th Trump when Our Christ returns it will be with fire and hail stones and for those who followed antichrist and didn't read the truth and listen to men they will get what they have coming to them. Revelation tells us that the time was cut to 5 months for the elect sake so when they are delivered up listen to them because it's God speaking through the elect. Store food, pay bills for about 3 months when you see the events of the 6th trump.

What is purgatory referring to

Benjamin,

2 Thessalonians 2:3 says "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Paul presents some things that must happen before Christ comes back and brings judgment. First of all, there come a falling away. The Greek word for falling away is APOSTASIA. It's the word apostasy. So first there must come an apostasy. Apostasy means that people will leave the truth of the gospel, leave the faith in Christ, and it will be a godless world more and more. So first an apostasy against God and the gospel.

Paul wrote to Timothy in 1 Timothy 4:1 and he said now the Spirit speaks expressly that in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of demons. We have that in our day.

Notice the order of things:

It will be the experience first and then scrambling to find the doctrine to back it up. When Satan presents the things of God, he gives an experience first, and then a twisting of the scriptures to back it up.

Some of us may have been in assemblies where things seemed a little strange. And it's the seducing of that atmosphere, the seducing of that experience that draws people to supposedly be following Christ, but it's a seducing spirit and doctrines of demons. These are demon-backed doctrines!

So there must be an apostasy first. That's happening in our day. It happened back in Paul's day and they thought that it would really be a serious time. It was for them, but it's gotten much worse today!

Secondly, and that man of sin be revealed, who is called the son of perdition;

The word perdition means destruction. It's a title. There's only one other person in the bible called that, and that's Judas Iscariot in John Chapter 17.

So first there must be an apostasy. Secondly, the man of sin needs to be revealed. He can't just show up. It's going to take some circumstances that are going to reveal him.

where are we in ref.to 2 thes.2, the man of perdition?

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Every person should read Ezekiel 13 because God says that those preachers who out of their own mind with their Devine thinking of made up stuff by themselves and not Gods Devine plan are going to get it, the boot! and telling people they are going to fly away is very dangerous so just so you know rapture people God hates those who teach His people to fly to save their souls and at the 6th trump when a false messiah stands in Jerusalem with supernatural powers as antichrist claiming he is God returned and the world will follow him and he just might say follow me and we will all fly away it ain't gonna be where you think. Now those who know Revelation 12:8 Satan booted out to deceive the world in a deception and Mark 13, Matthew 24 and 2 Thessalonians 2 take heed and don't be deceived. Also the 7 years was cut down to five months for the elect sake anyway 5 months Revelation 9:10 so Satan will be here 2 an a half so store food for 3 months and don't buy or sell and Listen To Those who are Delivered up its God Speaking. Wait for the 7th Trump that's when Christ returns, fire and hail stones and He ain't going to fly anyone out because He sets His Kingdom up Here!

Mark 13

This is Jesus answer to the end times and how it works out .

Notice verse 23 " But take heed : behold I have foretold you ALL things .

Where is the rapture in this ?

It is not mentioned as I understand this chapter . Surely Jesus told us all things . I hold to Jesus and his prophecy as being true .

Jesus did not surrender his power when He came to earth. He was fully God and fully man. He raised the dead, healed the sick, and forgave sin that only God can do. By His own power He rose from the dead. Indont remember where the verse is , but Jesus said He had the power to lay His life down and take it up again.

If you glance back at verse 14 of Mark 13, you will read:

"But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:"

This would occasion the prayer regarding their flight in verse 18.

This verse in turn refers back to Daniel's vision in Daniel chapters 10-12 which culminates with the abomination that maketh desolate in Daniel 12:11. Those hearing Jesus would likely remember from their history a desecration of the temple by a vile oppressor, Antiochus Epiphanes.

Before Judah and Israel are fully restored, they will endure their worst ever persecution at the hand of Satan. ( Revelation 12)

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 also tells us, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

When the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70, the very generation Jesus was speaking to was subjected to a similar catastrophe, enslaved and scattered throughout the world.

Mark 13:5. And [Victorious] Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

6. For many shall come in My Name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive MANY!!!

37. And what I say unto you I say unto ALL, WATCH!!! Amen.

This is for Rob Mitchell, The last book of the new testament that was written by John was revelations in 90 AD. Where did you get ur information about 70AD?

On MARK 13:22

The Word of God is God ( John 1:1) and not for any private interpretation ( 2 Peter 1:20). If it records in Rev. 12:9 that this whole world has been deceived it did not speak of a particular country, group of people, person or religion, it meant the whole world.

For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' how and by whom ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15) this whole world has been deceived and what mankind must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( Matthew 7:7; John 14:17).

Only through Repentance will God be able to reveal Himself, and adopt you as His sons and daughters ( Rom. 8:15,23; 2 Cor.6:18; Gal. 4:5; Eph. 1:5; Hebr. 12:5; 1 John 3:1) and reveal to you how this whole world has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9)..

The word 'Repent' means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).



For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9), and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( John 14:17).

It is only by revelation of God that people will come to know the true Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1), and only then will you be able to overcome the spirit of this world ( 1 John 5:4; Rev. 3:21). It should be remembered that it is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:14).

Jesus surrendered his power when he came to Earth as the Son of Man. He did miracles by the power God.

Jesus had not released the Holy Spirit on earth till after he had returned to Heaven.

How did do mircles

And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death

theres few places that say this. copy and paste this and you will find.

Matthew 24

2 Timothy 3:1-5

But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

See also, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

If you'll turn to these scriptures in the Bible: if your Bible has center of the page Columns; they will refer you to others like, scriptures or prophesies.

Where in the bible does it say, in the last days children will rise up against there parents? Son against father?

29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.

Note: I was so busy with 8-5 /job making sure money flowed to maintain the american dream. 75% of the dream was having perishable stuff /idols that rust or moths eat up. I was so busy I did not realize the TRUTH in 28-29 above. Thank GOD for HIS WISDOM. WISDOM to both know and understand TIME is NIGH exactly like 29-29 bare witness to. Never-the-less John 3:16-21 is waiting on all who is willing to follow IT's instructions because The return of JESUS is NIGH. Also 31 above is TRUTH.

Ted, you have read the account of Lazarus in John 11. After Lazarus died, it was the custom to entomb the body, just as Jesus was after He was crucified. A tomb was a cave-like structure, whether natural or hewn into the side of a hill, so after burying the dead, a large stone was rolled at the opening to prevent people & animals from entering. The dead body was wrapped in grave clothes, which was an elaborate binding from head to foot, maybe to preserve something of the body form during the decaying process. Lazarus was in the tomb for four days already so decay had already begun. But when Jesus came to the opened tomb, he called for dead Lazarus to rise from the dead. So here we have a dead man just come to life, probably having difficulty breathing & with blinking eyes, so (in answer to your question), Jesus ordered that he be released from those binding grave clothes so he could get up & come to him & his family. And Lazarus was alive for the rest of his appointed days, though the Jewish leaders later on wanted to kill him & Jesus because of this miraculous act by Jesus. So Lazarus had to face the prospect of death again, which he finally did at old age. A man acquainted with dead, in very truth!

In St. John 11, what did it mean when Jesus say loose him and let him go.

John 11:44 is kind of humorous to me. When I picture in my mind Lazarus coming out of the grave, and he is wrapped in little 3 inch bandages from his foot to his neck, and then he has got a towel over his head, and he is coming out like one of those mummies you see in the movies. He can hardly walk. He is bound hand and foot with grave clothes: and his face was bound about with a towel. Jesus said unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Basically, Jesus is just telling them to unwrap him and let him go.

In St. John 11, what did it mean when Jesus say loose him and let him go.

Hey John! :) glad to see you here. Grab a Bible and let's taste and see the goodness of the Lord.

I came here, looking for Jesus... and I have found him.

Matthew 24 , Mark 13 and Luke 21 make it clear that ALL who love God are going to suffer persecution during the Days of the Men of Sin...3 of them,..2 Main Ones...First is Dan 7 25 for 3 1 2 years and Last is for 6 yrs 4 months ..2300 days in Dan 8:14....People will shout Peace and Safety during Dan 7:25 during which Time Covent of Death is Signed .. Isa 28: 18. That will be When lMARK becomes La

Amen. It is sad and regrettable that men have done damage to the faith of many people and have successfully overthrown the faith of millions though corrupt and distorted translation of the bible based upon apocryphal MSS. Some relevant examples are: St. John 7:53-8:11 1 John 5:7 St. Mark, and in St. Luke 2:33 which calls Joseph the father of Jesus in the NASB, and other translations.

Your problem is your too late when all power is returned back to the Father from the Son. I am dealing with the now, when the Son has power via God his Father in the now. The bible is not just a carnal book that you can read and say that is it. You have to read. Matthew 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

John 3:35 "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 5:20 " For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel."