John Chapter 19 Discussion Page 4

Jeff (cont. 3); Lastly Brother, I think it is very important to understand things of this nature, as they have so much to do with not only our own walking in truth but how we should discern and be able to judge rightly among each other, and teach new Believers. Not everyone has a deceitful and desperately wicked heart! But many take Scriptures like that and throw it on everyone without discretion.

Jeff; for what cause is this contention? Did Judas Iscariot ever get engaged in his calling like Peter did? Was Judas named the first of all the Apostles? What time Peter spoke ill advised, was out of love for Jesus, but not understanding the meaning of the cross. How can you compare those two men? Judas fell away in his heart after covetousness, became a thief, and stirred up murmuring and evil.

Disciple, your defense of Peter is unwarranted. I like Peter have through repentance been a recepeant of God's wonderful Grace! I want others to understand that (whatever sin they are guilty of) they (like Peter) can repent and be a partaker of that grace. Be like Peter not like Judas (who apparently never found repentance). I want everyone to know the wonderful grace of God that I have enjoyed...

Hi Jeff; Thanks for writing back! I'm glad you say we don't disagree; however I don't like the words, "same path" for what it implies. Up until the day Jesus was risen from the grave, and He breathed on them and opened their understanding to the Scriptures; it was hidden from them how Jesus had to go to the cross for us. All the disciples fled for fear; in this Peter was like them; NOT like Judas!

Disciple; I don't think we "disagree". (Unless you believe that Judas had no choice...then I would respectfully disagree). Certainly, Judas had traveled much farther down that path than Peter. (And possibly Judas was never a believer). But Peter repented. I just see a contrast between Judas' choice and Peter's and an example of God's wonderful grace. Blessings my friend!

Jeff; you said, "..Two men, both heading down the same path.." I have to strongly disagree with you brother. There is a huge difference between Peter and Judas Iscariot! Peter loved the Lord Jesus, but being unprepared for the sudden crisis, he was filled with fear and not himself, and in that vulnerable condition, shamefully sinned. Judas on the other hand was willfully fallen away for some time.

I do not doubt that Judas could have repented at any time....Scripture would have been fulfilled. We have here another individual (Peter) that is an example of someone that also denies Jesus but responds to God's grace by repenting. Two men, both heading down the same path but only one embraced God's wonderful grace.

John 19:36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. They were supposed to break Jesus bones, but thru the Grace of God, they didn't. The Bible is true and Holy.

Amen.

All of this should of happen to set people free from sin. From then do today until Christ setts his kingdom on new Earth and new Heaven

V. 26 - in the back 'comments' pg. it has been noted that the disciple whom Jesus loved was - somebody's - nephew. This is what is meant by - "wrest - to their destruction"

People just don't understand about Sun. worship: it's not a DAY we worship, it's the PRACTILITY of Sunday: a LOT of people don't work at their jobs on Sun. Phariseeism, narrow mindedness, self-righteousness. Sunday is just common sense. Saturday is fine with us for folks who worship on that day; it's not the day one worships, it's WHO. Outside of the cup is beautiful, but ........

V. 21 - "Chief Priests of the Jews", said write I Am; Ex.3: 6,14; Jn. 18:5-6. Interesting - that the priests didn't realize who He was or what they said. In Jn. 19:21 -- they SAID Jesus was - God - and didn't even realize it. Matt. 23:15

JESUS IS SO REAL! It also show no matter how Good you, mans thoughts are nothing we should aim to please GOD NOT MAN GOD IS GREATER THAN
MAN! HE DIED FOR US YET ARE WE GRATEFUL AMEN
IN JESUS MIGHTY NAME BLOOD

John 19:30 - Today I give all PRAISE! HONOUR, GLORY the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords for he died and shed his precious blood for everyone of us for our sins, for our brokenness, for our pains, our sorrows, our burdens, all he wants you to do if you don't have Christ in you is repent, TAKE YOUR BURDENS TO THE CROSS AND LEAVE THEM THERE FOR IT IS FINISHED JESUS DID IT ALL FOR YOU AND FOR ME!

we need to give our life to GOD , so that all that JESUS suffer for us in the cross will not be in vain .accept the salvation, so that you will be save , when you do that the lord will bless you in JESUS NAME AMEN.

Thd phrase "It is finished " means that Eolhim 's design is completed. Eolhim created the cosmos. The cosmos became flesh. All have sinned except one. The Lamb of God. 16 "For God loved the world in this way He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will have eternal life. John 3:3-5 ...no one can see the Kingdom of God unless born again of water and the Spirit. James 3:10 tells us that cursing and blessings can not come out of the same mouth, Jesus tells us a house divided can not stand...

All prophecy was fulfilled how could we doubt that Jesus was the Christ?

A magistrate is regarded as someone having the super powers in the worldly human sense but I see Jesus Christ overiding all their powers and instituting his dominion ,authrity and power. He said unless the power is given from above that is Christ himself.

Can you imagine the condition of this body, beaten and bloodied? How depraved is lost fallen mankind, and still worse than ever today.

Look Mr.Pilate, I came to fulfill the old testiment prophecies. Now I am to be beaten, mocked, spat upon, cursed, despised, then nailed to a cross until dead. This is my FATHER GOD 'S will that I do this and I love you as well as my accusers. So unless you would take my place, let 's get the show on the road. HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH! PRAISE GOD! JESUS LIVES! JESUS HEALS! JESUS SAVES! JESUS LOVES! HALLELUJAH! AMEN. IT IS DONE.

John 19:26 Jesus saw sorrow on his mother 's face and want his mother not worry about Him, that the script must be fulfilled.Rather she should look to other sons who are with her

to me he 's telling to come take care of nephew who needs care for

Jesus was send to come and destroy de works of the devil 1John 3:8 and in John 19:30 de mission was fulfil when He said on the cross It is finish and gave up de ghost. By this every man or woman tHat Believe and is born again is save from every power of de devil.Just mention de name Jesus de devil is cast out.

It is finished! We who believe in the glorified Christ can now enter His Rest. We can come boldly to the throne of Grace and ask for mercy and grace to help us in the time of need.

please this goes to our friends who think Sunday is God 's day for worship as per ten commandments,if at all you believe that Christ was crucified on GOOD Friday as you call it,please clearly analyze this chapter mainly 19.31 which talks on the next day which was a Saturday a GOD 'S sabbath

The death of Christ was ordained before the foundation of the world and nothing could have changed it. The devil was really blinded to the extent that he thought he has finally got the opportunity to destroy the only Begotten Son of God and he did not see the real reason for the Death on the Cross. If he had clearly known that Christ 's Crucifixion will Snatch the Key of death and Hades from him Give us repentance Give us easy forgiveness Wash away our sins Give us a new birth Bring us closer to God Make him and the entire kingdom of darkness bite their tongues anytime the name Jesus is mentioned Make him bow before us ordinary mortals he would have fought tooth and nail to avert it. You see, Pilate has every right to set Christ free with no one questioning him WHY but everything worked according to the perfect plan because when the chief priests read the inscription "Jesus of Nazareth, The King of the Jews " and asked him to change it to "He said, I am the King of the Jews ", Pilate stamped it that "what I have written I have written " and that was final which means that he could not change the decree sanctioned from Heaven to save mankind despite the fact that he really wanted to because God sent Him to earth to die and save us.

i find it interesting myrhh was at Christ 's birth and death

i like god i praise him

Jesus said I am thirsty, He was not thirsty for the vinegar, but for the souls who don 't knw knw about Christ. He wanted to fullfill the scripture.