John Chapter 14 Discussion Page 23

"...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father..."
( John 14:9)

We recently went to New York City. Before we left, I had "googled" everything I needed to know. I had used Google maps to go everywhere we were to go. I had gotten reviews, and saw personal pictures of where we would be going. Every aspect of the trip had been covered. (places we were to go, modes of transportation, places we were to stay, where we would eat, time schedules, weather temperatures...)

Because I had "googled" everything and virtually walked and seen all we were to do, when we actually did it, the virtual was so close to being reality. There were a few variables that the virtual could not convey: encounters with people (whether good or bad), mechanical breakdowns, delays which alter the abstract schedule, and the human factor of leaving something out and having to improvise on foot; but, overall, the virtual was a copy of the real. You could almost overlay the one over the other and have a perfect match.

Jesus said, "...he that hath seen me, hath seen the Father."

Much like "virtual" seeing to "reality" seeing, God has given unto us His Spirit to see things now, and things yet to be seen.

"But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God has revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. ( I Corinthians 2:9-12)

Have you "googled" the Lord today, the date for the trip is impending?

ALL that JESUS want su ,is to belive in HIM AND OBEY HIS COMMANDEMT becouse HE IS GOD AND HE LOVE US ALL.

also one of my best,l like reading john 14:26 as in fact l love to read the book of john from chapt.11 thro"to the 21chapt.becos l want to learn about the holy spirit.

First of all in my comments I didn't say anything about rapture. In my reading of the Holy Bible I see the Lord telling His men/disciple/church etc that He comes back so that they could expect His coming.
John 14
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

Hebrews 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that LOOK for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation
1 Corinthians 1:7
So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ

1 Thessalonians 2:19
For what [is] our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? [Are] not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?
1 Thessalonians 3:13
To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Colossians 3:4
When Christ, [who is] our life, shall appear, then shall ye also APPEAR with him in glory.
Philippians 3:20
For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we LOOK for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet APPEAR what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1 Corinthians 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming

1 Thessalonians 4:15 - 17
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the COMING of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


The Church is expecting the coming of the Lord their Savior. We children of light and of the day. We are not going to sleep at all; we are not going to lose our faith.

The coming of the Lord is not as a thief in the night for the Church. The prepared Church is expecting His coming, His saints, His holy ones are awaiting His arrival. They are not going to sleep as the 10 virgins slept (While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.). They are not preserved or kept for the darkness. But those that are choosing to receive Him at night (spiritually speaking) will meet Him when He comes from the wedding. ( And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.).


Amos 5:18
Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what END [is] it for you? the day of the LORD [is] darkness, and not light.
Job 36:20
Desire not the night, when people are cut off in their place.
John 9:4
I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the NIGHT cometh, when no man can work.


1 Thessalonians 5: 1 - 10
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as [do] others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.


So I think, we must expect Jesus and receive Him and be with Him forever rather than being part of those who are waiting for the ati-Christ.

I do not like to use the word Christian today,If someone asks I will tell them I follow that WAY.This
is what we were called first.In that WAY you lose yourself completely Mike Golden inner man is dead and Jesus The Father son lives in you.

We need God Spirit within us the HOLY GHOST with the evidence of speaking in tounges.

But when the COMFORTER is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:( John 15:26)

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.( Gal. 4:6)

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the SPIRIT of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.( 1Cor. 12:3)

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.(Rom.8:9)For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. (1Cor.14:2)

Sunday only christians should really here this message.Knowing how much Jesus loved us and what He did for us, how people, christians live thier lives monday thru saturday boggles my mind.

To know Jesus is to love him,for he is love.He is the only way to the father. We must love him with all of our being and keep his commendments. We will be with the Lord in paradise. HE PROMISED.

This like many other sayings of Jesus, touches on the main if not the CORE teaching of Jesus. The key words are HATH my COMMANDMENTS and KEEPETH them. Unlike the indoctrination by the Church that "our sins are all nailed onto the cross"; Jesus clearly stated that we MUST DO HIS COMMANDMENTS. It is only if we DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, we will be LOVED by Him and God. It is only then He will MANIFEST Himself. The most difficult of His Commandments is in Matthew 5.44 where He tells us to LOVE OUR ENEMY. Can any reader who reads this, love his/her enemy? I for sure find it difficult. This saying of Jesus is therefore of utmost importance as many other similar teachings. Look at this:

"Why call me lord, lord and not
do the things I tell you to do."

"Not everyone who calls me lord,
lord shall enter into the kingdom
of heaven."

What is being practiced therefore is NOT JESUS' TRUE MESSAGE, but CHRISTIANITY MADE EASY which very much benefits the EVANGELICAL MOVEMENT and to some extent the material help to those who convert or say that they have accepted Him. I like to heat from everyone who cates to disagree.

Jesus words there comforts and heals broken spirits.

This is truly the word of God,verse 1,let not you heart be troubled:ye believe in God,also believe in Me.
It truly states,that many of us sits with worries,what people say about us,what we hear and our problems,but hear what God say's(the bible is alive)that we must believe in Him,we must not let our heart be troubled,cause in verse 6,He clearly say's,that I am the way,the truth and the life;no man cometh unto the Father,but by me.Verse 14 he promise,if we ask anything in His name,He will do it.
Trust in the Lord always,cause his love endures forever.AMEN

There is real promise God will come again to take us home to be with Him forever and suffering will be no more. He came to die for us in order to have life and His death is not in vain

this is the key to converting to God..one must love Him enough to obey...the finish work at the cross is enough evidence that God loves the world...THE CROSS SAID IT ALL...WE must have love, without love for Christ we can not keep his commandments...to God the praise and glory now and forever more, Amen

In this chapter, Jesus defines clearly his role, that he speaks only what God the Father spoke to him in the ear. God will reward those who both have and do his commandments. Jesus says the same in that those who do these sayings of his will inherit. That is when we understand completely what is said thru study and purposefully do his will in everyday life, those then will live eternally in the heavenly mansions. There will be no miraculous second coming al la Harold Camping but only a strict adherence to the word of God will transform these bodies full of iniquities to Pure bloodwashed Angels in heaven who will worship the Father in truth as He desires from us.

This is one of my favorite verses in the Bible. This is what it all comes down to. This verse strikes right at the heart of all other religions and proves them to be false.

ilove this book it great .

John 14 is the greatest promise of Jesus Christ of Nazareth to His followers. They would stay with Him in their heavenly mansions for all eternity without end. Only one thing can give any one entry into heaven. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." verse 6. There aren't many ways into heaven, there aren't many other saviors. The Bible says there's only one. Christ alone, through His death and resurrection, paid the price for our sins. And only through Him can we gain entry into the presence of the Father. Have you put your trust in Jesus? So, when Jesus comes again He will take you to be with Him evermore.

I think we all should trust in the Lord more, and not worry so much about what others do or say.
We have no control over that. Jesus wants us to trust in him, and he will see us thru no matter
what circumstance we are in. He wants us to
rejoice in him, and know that he has prepared a
place for us to go to in Heaven to be with him
as a beliver when we die, or we are caught up
in the rapture. We should trust him more.
We should never give up, even though the enemy, Satan, tries to destroy us everyway he can.

ydnick...im a baby in christ im going to explain it to you the way the spirit tells me...he that have seen me have seen the father...god the father needed someone without sin to bear all sins for mankind no one on earth was worthy enough so he been so great came into the world in the flesh as god the son witout sin he did not sin once growing up as a human being. knowing the pain he would feel on the cross as god the son he went to the garden to pray to god the father to let this cup pass from him even though he know why he came in the 1st place and that wasnt the only time he prayed to god the father he was setting an example for us to follow...you ask how can god be in heaven and on erath at the same time..im asking you how great is god? who made the heavens and the earth? right now he's with me do you think he's with you? if yes how did he do that cause he walks with me and talks to me each and every single day and im sure im not the only one that he has bless when does he get time to bless other people if he's with me day in and day out....that is to show you he can do things that looks impossible to us but with him all things are possible..be bless

how could god be on the earth and in heaven at the same time? who was Jesus praying to in the garden of gethsemane before the died? the verse is matthew 26:39. he said in that verse not my will but your will? who was he talking to himself? you need to learn grammer. Jesus did not pray to himself to ask for help. he prayed to god for help. he if he was god he never would have had to pray for help.why in john 14:28 did Jesus say the father is greater than i am if he is God? That would be like me saying my father is greater than i am but i am my father. who were the christians praying to if God was a man on earth. who were the christians worshiping in heaven if Jesus was on the earth? why would Jesus say to Worship God instead of saying worship me because I am god. get your grammer on.

GREAT WORD AF GOD. BUT THIS KIND OF ENGLISH IS VERY STRANGE. WE HAVE MODERN READABLE AND ACCURATE TRANSLATIONS. AFTER ALL WE CAN COMPARE SOME VERSIONS FOR DEEPER BIBLE STUDY. GOD BLESS US

V.3. "Where I am"! (present tense?) Was Jesus in the (4th dimension) realm of heaven, while he was walking and talking with humanity? There are many indications that He was. He was about to leave his disciples to prepare a place "mansions", rather (Abodes or dwelling places) so that his body (the church) could dwell where He was dwelling in the spirit while He spoke. That being now done (Christ in you the hope of glory Col. 1:27) we are now seated (With authority) in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.( Eph. 2:6). Let us actively clothe ourselves with his provisions so that Jesus will recieve the reward of his sufferings and that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

V.6. Jesus said,"I am the way, the truth, and the Life. The Bible way for us to enter this way is by believing in Him. This believing is obviously more than just mental assent to a historical fact, but rather trusting/relying on the promises relating to Jesus. Jesus was a Jew and the beginning of his Church were all Jews, and yes, there are many believing Messianic Jews today. Sad to say, a religiously defensive segment of the Jewish system still has not yet been able see Him (see 2 Cor.3:13-14). Lets pray for them.

@Ben weaver thanks 4 the reply. Starting to make sense of it now.
But I’m still a bit iffy on people going to heaven simply because of believing in Jesus.
As there are some Jews who do believe in him too. So just to make sure you think they would go to heaven too?

V.6-reply to Jeff. Thanks for asking, and my apology for being so brief. Maybe, "disassociated" was not the best word. Romans 5:12-19 explains it well with "sin", "death", and "condemnation" which passed from Adam to all mankind. About our bodies being the temple of the Holy Spirit; I think refers to only people who have Jesus, since 1 Corinthians is written to such (please see Chapter 1:2). Why! descending through the father and not the mother? I don't know, but the Bible uses men's names in geneologies and even today, most people inherit the father's last name. Could it be that the egg has no life till it is fertilized by a male? The Bible says Eve is the mother of all living and she disobeyed God first, but Adam is blamed for passing the sin curse on to all men. And Yes! this new life in Jesus is for whoever believes in Him ( Jn. 3:16) regardless of background heritage. There are many reasons why a believer should go public. It honors Jesus, it releases God to work in our lives, and opens the door for others to receive that new life too.

@Ben weaver, how did we dissociate ourselves from god?
And why would we need a new connection by a human being who is conceived by God's Spirit?
Are we not conceived by the holy spirit? E.g Corinthians 6:19 “know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost”
Your other comment “rather than a human father that is not associated with God” does that mean a father inputs more to the offspring than a mother (who holds the child for 8-9 months)?
Also would you clarify your last statement “Therefore, no one but Jesus qualifies and no religion can attain to that life without Jesus” I will presume that “attain to that life” means heaven; but does that mean Mormons, Muslims and etc. will be able to enter heaven because they believe in Jesus?

V. 6. A few thoughts on the logic of such a radical statement. Hundreds of prophetic predictions, over thousands of years have been satisfied by only one person. Also, it is obvious that all humanity (including Christians) has inadequacies. According to the most trusted book, this is because Adam and Eve disassociated themselves, and thus all their descendants, from God. Now, humanity needs a new connection by a human being who is conceived by God's Spirit, rather than a human father that is not asociated with God. God's way with the Virgin Mary is the only way I can think of that a human could possibly be the WAY, the TRUTH (reliable plan) and LIFE source for believing humanity. Therefore, no one but Jesus qualifies and no religion can attain to that life without Jesus.

Jesus is saying there are only to roads available to us; the road to destruction and the road to heaven. Following Jesus is the way to heaven. He speaks the truth as opposed the devil who is deceptive. Jesus is life and gives life, not just here on earth but life after. No man comes to the father but by men means if you cannot accept Jesus for who he is you cannot receive God. You MUST go through Jesus to get to God!

The earth is what is promised to us,and the place s called The New Jerusalem.

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