Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • SKD - 8 months ago
    As per the understanding of Heaven and Hell, All Israelites who went against God during the Bible days, are they in Hell?
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hi SKD.

    Those who went against God?

    If what you are asking are those who didn't believe in or have faith and do what was provided for them for salvation lost and condemned. I would say yes.

    That is not just the Israelites in the OT, or the Gentiles in the OT.

    It goes also for the Israelites today and the Gentiles today.

    The Israelites before the crucifixion of Christ had to express their faith by the works of the law in their sacrifices and rituals pointing foward to one who would come. ( Their Messiah! )

    This is called the dispensation of the law which started at Exodus 19:5 and ended at John 19:30.

    This is what Paul is saying in Romans 10:4.

    It is also important to note that the Law of Moses was given only for the nation of Israel.

    ( Exodus 19:3-8; Deuteronomy 5:1-3; 4:8). Jesus made it clear that it was given to Israel and not the Gentiles ( Mark 12:29-30). The apostle Paul said the Law was given to Israel and not the Church ( Romans 2:14; 9:4-5; Ephesians 2:11-12). The dispensation of Law is over.

    While the Abrahamic Covenant continues and has not yet been completely fulfilled (even to this day),

    As for Hell, It is not open for business yet.

    According to the book of Revelation, the Beast and the false prophet are the first to be cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 19:20.

    I hope this helps.

    GB.
  • [email protected] - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Where in the Bible does it the word say that the old Testament or even the law was given only to the Hebrew children or the Jew?

    That is written in the comments here but I have never found it in the word. I understand when C-rist died on the cross that the sacrafices were no longer required but if you have that information I would love to see where i can find it.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hi Lucretiagriffin.

    Part 2.

    New Covenant and what the Old covenant could not do!

    Ezekiel 36:26-32.

    A NEW HEART ALSO WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

    AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

    AND YE SHALL DWELL IN THE LAND THAT I GAVE TO YOUR FATHER'S; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

    I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.

    And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.

    Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

    NOT FOR YOUR SAKES DO I THIS, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL.

    It's God spirit that will be put in the "HOUSE OF ISRAEL" and CAUSE THEM to walk in his statutes and he will bring them into their land that he gave to their fathers!

    This is the future fulfillment for the house of Israel concerning the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants.

    Blessings
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Repentance.

    Repentance often involves an acknowledgement of wrongdoing and an awareness of one's limitation.

    We all is born into this world with a fallen nature and must be born again.

    Being born again means being born from above. (Born of Christ Spirit)

    Israel was to repent from dead works as seen throughout the new testament particularly from the book of Hebrews.

    Especially Hebrews 6:1-4.

    Israel inability to produce fruit is not a testimony of Israel, it is a lesson to all!

    This shows the whole world as they look in that while God is in their midst and carrying them on eagles wings it doesn't change the heart of man.

    For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Romans 15:4.

    SALVATION.

    We preach repentance with salvation.

    The key to repentance is not what you turn from.

    It's who you turn to!

    Our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Jesus came to cleanse the inside the cup with the outside!

    More on this later.

    God bless
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hi.

    I don't know what to call you but welcome to the site and thanks for inquiring!

    You asked;

    Where in the Bible does it the word say that the old Testament or even the law was given only to the Hebrew children or the Jew?

    First I would like to add Romans 15:4 "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope"

    Here's what you have been looking for.

    Romans 9:1-4 reads, "I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

    That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

    For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

    Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the ( COVENANTS, AND THE GIVING OF THE LAW,) AND THE SERVICE OF GOD, AND THE PROMISES;

    The law is called the "Ministry of condemnation" which refers to the Old Covenant, particularly the Mosaic Law.

    We find that in 2 Corinthians 3:7-9.

    It was called this because it exposed sin and pronounced judgment, highlighting mans inability to achieve righteousness by their own efforts.

    Israel displayed that as any other people would have.

    Without this failure and documentation we wouldn't even know it and wouldn't turn away from our own unfruitful efforts.

    This ministry displayed even with God in their midst and as a husband to them man's nature remains fallen.

    There is no rebirth!

    One must be born again by the Spirit of Christ who ushered in the new covenant by his blood shed on the cross.

    God bless.



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