If we look to Psalm 119 we see the longest chapter in all scripture constantly referring to God's law and the author's love for it (I believe David). So the question is...(metronome sound and countdown music)
If we are in the Age of Grace what of the law if we no longer live under it; should we still love it?
This bears some thought; as we can glibly say well of course. We are reminded it is as our schoolmaster and seems harsh at the time ( Hebrews 12:11). Also the fact that no one can be saved by the law; on the contrary it is used to convict of sin; and of course if anyone breaks it even once is cursed ( Gal. 3:10 in KJV although other translations seem to try to dilute this concept it seems). How can we love His law then? The answer...(ditto metronome).
Of course it has to do with LOVE; and the verse I already stated that those who love Him keep His commandments. God doesn't accept alternate paths to Himself through our own self justification or righteousness. He doesn't accept clear defiance of commands that are part of the moral law that transcend to all generations. Obviously with grace abounding over sin we don't sin for more grace ( Romans 6:1-2).
Of course tied in with this idea man is basically good is the concept that we shouldn't offend anyone; or the scripture is twisted about not judging one another; despite Paul's clear teaching on the matter of judging within the body of Christ matters that ought not to be in the world's courts. We of course will also judge the world as corulers with Christ ( 1 Cor. 6:2); and angels ( 1 Cor. 6:3). Love therefore involves telling the truth. Telling a lie in a loving manner isn't really love of course; and neither is not warning someone when we can see they are headed for destruction.
God first loved us first ( 1 John 4:19); and of course we all should know John 3:16. His love had to come to us through imputed righteousness from Christ's atonament to be in His presence.
The moon has no light of its own but even in the darkest night when it is still shining it bares witness to the fact the truth that not only is the sun still shining but that there is coming a perfect day .
The church has no light of its own it is not infallible some religionists claim for " it is not that light .."but bares witness of the .
light it is the " lesser light " that rules the darkness .
Is it not written that "His Life was the light of men"? If then He is our Life who now dwells in us we in our relationship with the Son have been made the light of the world ,chiodren of light .
Every church an Embassy of the Kingdom of God and every true born child of God an ambassador of Christ . And of that Kingdom that shall have no end for it is founded upon better foundations.
I completely agree with you. One of the major misconceptions today is the true meaning of "grace." From a biblical standpoint, grace is unmerited favor.
The Law of Moses revealed our inadequacy-how despicable, miserable, and sinful our ways truly are. However, it did not provide the power to overcome these sinful tendencies; it merely exposed the problem. No one could perfectly keep the law ( Romans 3:12-20, Galatians 3:19, Romans 7:10). As Scripture says, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God ( Romans 3:22, Galatians 3:20, Romans 7:13-14). Jesus Himself highlighted this when He said, "There is one who accuses you, even Moses, in whom you trust." This referred to the Law of Moses, which the Israelites relied upon, yet it only revealed their inability to live righteously ( John 5:45-46).
Grace came to assist those who were unable to keep the law, enabling them to fulfill it. Grace does not make the law void; rather, it establishes the law by empowering us to obey it. As Paul explained, "the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us who walk according to the Spirit" ( Romans 8:3-4).
This principle is illustrated in the parable of the Good Samaritan. A traveler was wounded by thieves . The priests and Levites-representing the law-saw him but could not help. The Good Samaritan (Jesus), however, freely offered aid-representing grace-healing the man from his wounds, which symbolize sin. We partake in this grace by receiving the Spirit of Christ, which helps to walk according to the Spirit rather than our sinful flesh and desires.
The Holy Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of holiness. One cannot continue in sin and claim to possess the Holy Spirit. Grace delivers us from sin; it does not provide permission to remain in it ( Romans 6:1-2). Paul even warned against this attitude in Romans 3:8, where some falsely claimed that continuing in sin was a way of doing good.
To be more accurate Grace does not " empower us to obey the law" The Law is there to convict of sin and condemn .
Jesus fulfilled the Law by dying under the law and for sin . We cannot obey the law but IN Christ we "uphold the law" in that we are made "conformable to His death " fir is it not written " We are crucified with Christ"? And also " buried with Christ"? You only bury a dead man . Thus I am crucified with Christ ,nevertheless I live ,but not I butChrist that liveth in me" .
The grace of God was in sending Jesus Christ to die for the sin of the world ,the " Lamb of God".
By the Law we stood condemned and if we seek to 'fulfill the law' we must fulfill all of the law . That is impossible .
But I say again we do however uphold the law .
Abel by his offering confessed his sin the righteousness of God and put his faith in the promised Lamb foreshadowed by his sacrifice and according to the pattern God laid down in the garden .
Cain on the other hand sought by his own 'good' works and by the " sweat of his brow" sought to establish his own righteousness by his own good religious works in doing so denied Gods righteousness and though by his own work it would outweigh his sin.
Thus he sought his own glory not Gods .
Calvary gives all the glory to God and not a jot to man . But in believing God and putting our faith in Him who God sent have the satisfaction of doing the right thing ( repenting) and finding that God is faithful to His Word .
If it is bread it needs to be broken before it can be digested .
If a seed it needs to sown and die before it produces fruit .
No bone of Jesus was broken on the cross but all His joints were out of joint .
Today the truth is out of joint . Or rather man subjecting the scriptures tomhis own reasoning rather than subjecting his reasoning to the Spirit of truth . For we have the body of truth which is the scriptures and the Spirit of truth that inspired men to so write them . We therefore need Him to " lead us into all truth " to understand what Hevinspured men to write .
For " what knoweth the things of man save the spirit that is in man? Likewise then what knoweth the things of God save the Spirit of God" with so many versions the people of God are " like sheep each going his own way".each holding tomtheir 'version' of the truth .
Is it any wonder the world is in such a state?
So to return to what you posted .
I don't know what you think by them. Or what I should understand by them if you do not break the bread? For while I cannot nor do reject the scriptures does not faith come by understanding?
How am Ito understand therefore what is written?
I could water so to speak those verses with my own thinking ;meaning endeavouring to understand with Gods help what I shouild glean from them for God would have it so with me as also with you .
Thus we all will be hopefully edified by every joint supplying .
God saves the soul quickens the spirit and our minds are to be renewed . Read once prayerfully think a lot more tends to do that aI have found .
If we look to Psalm 119 we see the longest chapter in all scripture constantly referring to God's law and the author's love for it (I believe David). So the question is...(metronome sound and countdown music)
If we are in the Age of Grace what of the law if we no longer live under it; should we still love it?
This bears some thought; as we can glibly say well of course. We are reminded it is as our schoolmaster and seems harsh at the time ( Hebrews 12:11). Also the fact that no one can be saved by the law; on the contrary it is used to convict of sin; and of course if anyone breaks it even once is cursed ( Gal. 3:10 in KJV although other translations seem to try to dilute this concept it seems). How can we love His law then? The answer...(ditto metronome).
Of course it has to do with LOVE; and the verse I already stated that those who love Him keep His commandments. God doesn't accept alternate paths to Himself through our own self justification or righteousness. He doesn't accept clear defiance of commands that are part of the moral law that transcend to all generations. Obviously with grace abounding over sin we don't sin for more grace ( Romans 6:1-2).
Of course tied in with this idea man is basically good is the concept that we shouldn't offend anyone; or the scripture is twisted about not judging one another; despite Paul's clear teaching on the matter of judging within the body of Christ matters that ought not to be in the world's courts. We of course will also judge the world as corulers with Christ ( 1 Cor. 6:2); and angels ( 1 Cor. 6:3). Love therefore involves telling the truth. Telling a lie in a loving manner isn't really love of course; and neither is not warning someone when we can see they are headed for destruction.
God first loved us first ( 1 John 4:19); and of course we all should know John 3:16. His love had to come to us through imputed righteousness from Christ's atonament to be in His presence.
The church has no light of its own it is not infallible some religionists claim for " it is not that light .."but bares witness of the .
light it is the " lesser light " that rules the darkness .
Is it not written that "His Life was the light of men"? If then He is our Life who now dwells in us we in our relationship with the Son have been made the light of the world ,chiodren of light .
Every church an Embassy of the Kingdom of God and every true born child of God an ambassador of Christ . And of that Kingdom that shall have no end for it is founded upon better foundations.
The Law of Moses revealed our inadequacy-how despicable, miserable, and sinful our ways truly are. However, it did not provide the power to overcome these sinful tendencies; it merely exposed the problem. No one could perfectly keep the law ( Romans 3:12-20, Galatians 3:19, Romans 7:10). As Scripture says, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God ( Romans 3:22, Galatians 3:20, Romans 7:13-14). Jesus Himself highlighted this when He said, "There is one who accuses you, even Moses, in whom you trust." This referred to the Law of Moses, which the Israelites relied upon, yet it only revealed their inability to live righteously ( John 5:45-46).
Grace came to assist those who were unable to keep the law, enabling them to fulfill it. Grace does not make the law void; rather, it establishes the law by empowering us to obey it. As Paul explained, "the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us who walk according to the Spirit" ( Romans 8:3-4).
This principle is illustrated in the parable of the Good Samaritan. A traveler was wounded by thieves . The priests and Levites-representing the law-saw him but could not help. The Good Samaritan (Jesus), however, freely offered aid-representing grace-healing the man from his wounds, which symbolize sin. We partake in this grace by receiving the Spirit of Christ, which helps to walk according to the Spirit rather than our sinful flesh and desires.
The Holy Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of holiness. One cannot continue in sin and claim to possess the Holy Spirit. Grace delivers us from sin; it does not provide permission to remain in it ( Romans 6:1-2). Paul even warned against this attitude in Romans 3:8, where some falsely claimed that continuing in sin was a way of doing good.
Jesus fulfilled the Law by dying under the law and for sin . We cannot obey the law but IN Christ we "uphold the law" in that we are made "conformable to His death " fir is it not written " We are crucified with Christ"? And also " buried with Christ"? You only bury a dead man . Thus I am crucified with Christ ,nevertheless I live ,but not I butChrist that liveth in me" .
The grace of God was in sending Jesus Christ to die for the sin of the world ,the " Lamb of God".
By the Law we stood condemned and if we seek to 'fulfill the law' we must fulfill all of the law . That is impossible .
But I say again we do however uphold the law .
Abel by his offering confessed his sin the righteousness of God and put his faith in the promised Lamb foreshadowed by his sacrifice and according to the pattern God laid down in the garden .
Cain on the other hand sought by his own 'good' works and by the " sweat of his brow" sought to establish his own righteousness by his own good religious works in doing so denied Gods righteousness and though by his own work it would outweigh his sin.
Thus he sought his own glory not Gods .
Calvary gives all the glory to God and not a jot to man . But in believing God and putting our faith in Him who God sent have the satisfaction of doing the right thing ( repenting) and finding that God is faithful to His Word .
In doing what He promised if we did so.
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The Word of God is both a seed and also bread .
If it is bread it needs to be broken before it can be digested .
If a seed it needs to sown and die before it produces fruit .
No bone of Jesus was broken on the cross but all His joints were out of joint .
Today the truth is out of joint . Or rather man subjecting the scriptures tomhis own reasoning rather than subjecting his reasoning to the Spirit of truth . For we have the body of truth which is the scriptures and the Spirit of truth that inspired men to so write them . We therefore need Him to " lead us into all truth " to understand what Hevinspured men to write .
For " what knoweth the things of man save the spirit that is in man? Likewise then what knoweth the things of God save the Spirit of God" with so many versions the people of God are " like sheep each going his own way".each holding tomtheir 'version' of the truth .
Is it any wonder the world is in such a state?
So to return to what you posted .
I don't know what you think by them. Or what I should understand by them if you do not break the bread? For while I cannot nor do reject the scriptures does not faith come by understanding?
How am Ito understand therefore what is written?
I could water so to speak those verses with my own thinking ;meaning endeavouring to understand with Gods help what I shouild glean from them for God would have it so with me as also with you .
Thus we all will be hopefully edified by every joint supplying .
God saves the soul quickens the spirit and our minds are to be renewed . Read once prayerfully think a lot more tends to do that aI have found .
Gerald
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