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Matthew 5:18,19. Jesus was speaking about obedience to the whole Law, not to what the Pharisees taught that some Laws were less important to others. And as those under the Law, Jesus taught that the whole Law was current until "all be fulfilled" (i.e. only Jesus could keep the Law perfectly & through His death & resurrection, fulfilled the Law, removed the curse, by being made a curse on our behalf). Once that curse that the Law brought was removed by His death, we are no longer under the Law which only brought death, but now receive the blessing of Abraham, receiving God's Promises to us, not by the keeping the Law, but by obedience to the Spirit by the exercise of faith ( Galatians 3:10-14, also Romans 8:2-4).

Yes, Jesus' death fulfilled all the sacrifices that Israel had to do year-by-year, and these sacrifices looked forward to God's Perfect once-for-all Sacrifice. But only by Jesus' death could the New Covenant be ushered in, the Old had to be abolished, or else the New could not take effect (you can't have two Covenants operating simultaneously). And the Old Covenant most certainly included the Ten Commandments & every Law that was given to Israel. Those who are in Christ no longer abide by a Law that only had condemnation & death as its end, but now we can live according to the ministry of the Holy Spirit Who gives Life & Power to know & abide by all of God's Commandments.

Thanks for you input. I disagree with your assessment because scripture reveals time and time again that God's Saints keep the Commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus. I gave scripture that specifically tells us the 10 Commandments Moses put on the tablets are in fact the Covenant words God gave to Abraham. Reject it if you will, however the words as proof within scripture remain and will not be moved or changed by the will of others wanting to hold views contrary to this truth.

The following also adequately supports my position. However there are numerous other examples I could share, notwithstanding, Jesus Himself tells all men to keep God's 10 Commandments.

Many, many preachers teach falsity and lies. Some out of ignorance and others out of greed. Just as many listen to them and don't do their own due diligence to verify what they are told is truth.

James 2:18 Context

15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Furthermore, I can show definitive proof using scripture that Jesus was not Crucified or buried on a Friday, nor did Jesus rise on Sunday. A Friday Crucifixion and Sunday Resurrection is given as the basis for most Sunday observing denominations in holding Sunday in regard rather than God's Commanded Sabbath. However they err in doing so and as I said, I can demonstrate using scripture why they err in this.

Sorry. Scripture clearly disagrees with your statement the the 10 Commandments only apply to the Jews. This is discussed in Galatians 3. There was confusion as to what law Jesus did away with. The law of the Covenant that was given to Abraham was The Ten Commandments. Just as is also recorded when Moses re-wrote them on the tablets. The laws for sin were added later and it is these that Jesus came to do away with. We see The Ten Commandments were the words of the Covenant.

See here;

Exodus 34:28

"And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments."

Exodus 34 specifically says the words of the Covenant that was made with Abraham are God's Ten Commandments.

Then in Galatians we are show the difference between God's Law and those added due to sin, by men, the laws for sin were added 430 year later and were not part of the Covenant Law which is The Ten Commandments.

It's why Jesus says;

Matthew 5:18

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

See also;

Galatians Chapter 3

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

God's Ten Commandments remain in effect for all men.

Jesus tells all men to keep the Commandments of God. There is no Conversion if men reject them.

Revelation 14:12

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You make a very good arguement for your point thank you . Also , if we see that Christ is represented in the Old Testament by the Ark of the Covenant , then we must remember that the Ark contained the tablets of stone with the ten commandments on and also , that all of the ten commandments are based on love , love God and love our neighbour . This is the whole law , Jesus says that somewhere I'm sure .

All those other laws are about punishments for breaking the ten commandments , punishments for sin . Humans created sin , God created love , indeed God is love .

No the harlots wearing spiritually unclean clothes are worships of Adams 1st wife Lillith

There is a difference between saying something without providing evidence to support it and saying something with evidence that does. I gave supporting evidence based upon the established, accepted, historical record to support what I shared, while you didn't. Were I able to provide linked material for further support, I could demonstrate in better detail even more to establish what I share. So then, there is separation between fabricated claims as opposed to those that are recorded as accurate and true in the historical records, that are accepted as valid by such reason. Laws, courts and governing authorities rely on strict rules for admissible things to be included in the established record. They rely on witness testimony, valid documentation, official records and experts in the field of study or field of research to establish fact. You have provided none of that. If you were to state what you did before a judge in a court of law, it would be thrown out as hearsay. You have simply shared an opinion, without showing it to have any basis for being factual or true. Nor have you given any evidence or documentation in support of that opinion.

Leviticus 19:29

"Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness."

The entire book of Hosea is about the Whoredom of Israel. The 10 lost tribes went into Assyria and played the harlot and are scattered among the nations, even today. Jesus established a New Covenant with all men. Jesus says He has two flocks. One is redeemed already. They came out of the graves. Jesus returns to collect from among the Gentiles the second flock. 2 Esdras 13 speaks about Hosea, calling him Osea. Verse 40 shows the lost 10 tribes Christ returns for. Verse 48, shows the other two. Christianity, like Old Covenant Israel also has whoredom and harlots under the New Covenant. God's Ten Commandment apply to both the Old and the New. Only the Saints are God's Children.