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  • Tin - 1 year ago
    I've been panicking over my salvation and feel truly awful. I just want to know for certain that I'm secure in eternal life. I seriously need that relief because the anxiety about it won't stop and I don't feel like doing anything because I'm too paralyzed with fear. Your prayers are greatly appreciated and I seriously hope I break out of this state.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    ( Eternal ) life.

    The Holy Spirit does not bear witness with our spirit that we are the "worms" of God. No, He encourages us when we are in times of weakness and trembling, and in spite of all our failure says that we are the children of God.

    A remarkable thing is stated in the following verse:

    For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. ( Romans 8:15)

    The word Abba is an untranslated Aramaic word. The translators of the first English Bibles, who had great reverence for the Word of God, who believed it was indeed the Word of God, would not translate it. Abba is a very personal word that could be translated "my Daddy." We don't use this word in reference to God because of the danger of becoming overly familiar with Him. But the Spirit affirms it and causes us to realize that God is our very own Father through regeneration and by adoption.

    There is an experience of salvation for the child of God that he does not have to seek. It will come, for it is impossible for the Holy Spirit to regenerate a sinner and for Christ to dwell in the heart and there not be a corresponding experience.

    Do not look for an experience! Do not probe your feelings! Do not use psychoanalysis! Believe God! Take Him at His Word! Trust His faithfulness! "Let God be true, but every man a liar" ( Romans 3:4). Christ says, "Him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" ( John 6:37). Will you come?

    He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. ( 1 John 5:12)

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    ( Eternal ) life.

    Part 9.

    Not only will the believer love those within the Christian fellowship, but there will also be a desire for those outside the fold to come to a saving knowledge of Christ. It is impossible for Christ, the One who died for sinners, to be in the heart and there not be a longing for the salvation of sinners. A sterile and frigid Christian is not likely to experience the sweetness and joy of full assurance, but a vital Christian, who knows something of the Savior's compassion, will find the joy of belonging and an abiding experience.

    Conscious of Being His Child.

    A consciousness that we are children of God comes to the soul and says that we are the sons of God. This is the gracious work of the Spirit of God and not the product of psychological presumption.

    By this know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. ( 1 John 4:13)

    This does not mean that we are conscious of the presence of the Holy Spirit, but it does mean that we are conscious of the work of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not speak of Himself, but He speaks of Christ:

    Nevertheless, when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself, but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will show you things to come. ( John 16:13)

    Part of the work of the Holy Spirit is to make us conscious that we are the children of God.

    The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God. ( Romans 8:16)

    There is a counterfeit humility going the rounds today, and it sounds very pious, but it does not have the ring of the genuine. Some say that we are to grovel in the dust and act like worms - this is the modern way of putting on sackcloth and ashes. It is true that we are sinners; there is no good within us, no good comes out of us, and we have nothing in which to glory save the cross of Christ.

    See Part 10.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    ( Eternal ) life.

    1 John 3:20.

    For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

    Nevertheless, when our hearts are rightly related to Him, then there is a confidence given to us:

    Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. (v. 21)

    Furthermore, when we are in His will, there are added tokens that we are His children:

    And whatever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. (v. 22)

    Answered prayer is an argument that one is a legitimate child of God. The prayer life of the believer is vital in assuring the soul of salvation.

    Love for the Brethren!!

    A love for the brethren and a passion for the souls of men are evidence that we are children of God. One of the most convicting and confirming facts sealing assurance to the heart is love of the brethren. Scripture is positive at this point:

    We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. ( 1 John 3:14)

    Animosity and hatred in the heart will rob the child of God of assurance. Malice toward another Christian produces bitterness of soul and is therefore not a fertile soil to cultivate assurance. Malice is condensed anger. Lack of love for another believer robs more Christians of real enjoyment and satisfaction in the Christian life than perhaps any other single factor. It not only blights the soul of the Christian, but it also destroys any public testimony:

    By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. ( John 13:35)

    To love other believers is not elective:

    These things I command you, that ye love one another. ( John 15:17)

    Do not let a little root of bitterness rob you of assurance. Make things right with other believers.

    See Part 9.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    ( Eternal ) life.

    How Can I Know?

    Having listed the main things that rob a person of the assurance of salvation, let's look at some things that are evidence of salvation.

    Desire to Obey

    The child of God longs to obey God and to please Him:

    And by this we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. ( 1 John 2:3)

    This desire to obey God gives him an assurance that he is a son of God.

    He wants to know the will of God, and therefore he wants to know the Word of God. So he goes where he can hear the Word of God:

    Oh, how love I thy law! It is my mediation all the day. I hate vain thoughts, but thy law do I love. I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil. ( Psalm 119:97, 113, 162)

    He finds that he not only has an appetite for the Word of God, but he also begins to understand it, and thereby growth takes place:

    But he that is spiritual judgeth [understands] all things, yet he himself is judged [understood] of no man. ( 1 Corinthians 2:15)

    There are other tests that indicate to a trembling but trusting heart that he or she is a child of God. God urges us to make the tests so that we may have assurance:

    Examine yourselves, whether you are in the faith; prove yourselves. Know ye not yourselves how Jesus Christ is in you, unless you are discredited? ( 2 Corinthians 13:5)

    Reality in Prayer.

    A reality in prayer is evidence that we are children of God. There is a very remarkable statement in this connection made in the third chapter of 1 John:

    And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. (v. 19)

    As the child of God approaches the Father, a holy boldness confirms the heart. This is not presumption - it is the assurance that a child has in approaching a father. However, sin or some other impediment may make us hesitant and reluctant to approach the Father. God does not hear us because of our reluctance but because of Christ, and He hears us regardless of our condition:

    See part 8.

    1 John 3:20
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    ( Eternal ) life.

    The Christian should come to the light, which is the Word of God. It reveals our sin, but it also shows us the remedy. The blood of Christ is still potent, and it is the basis of forgiveness for the sins of a child of God.

    But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanseth us from all sin. ( 1 John 1:7)

    The believer who walks in the light and discovers sin in his life knows that the blood of Christ keeps on cleansing him from sin; consequently, he goes in confession to Him.

    If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. ( 1 John 1:9)

    Immediately, fellowship is restored for the sinning saint. The family fellowship is resumed and confidence and assurance are restored. You see, the child of God is always disturbed by sin in his life, as he knows it breaks fellowship with God. In fact, the line of demarcation is drawn at this point between God's children and the devil's offspring:

    In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth [practices] not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. ( 1 John 3:10)

    Deliberate and continual sinning, without remorse or without repentance, is a clear indication that one has not come into the place of sonship. The child of God is distressed, disturbed, and distraught by the presence of sin. He hates the sin in his life and longs to be delivered from it. The presence of sin robs him of his assurance. The legitimate child of God can never compromise with the sin in his life.

    See Part 7.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    ( Eternal ) life.

    ( 1 Thessalonians 1:5)

    The gospel that produces changed lives comes in much assurance. Many who lack assurance are sincere, but they have actually never been born again.

    Emotionalism..

    Some depend upon an emotional experience, and they do not have the knowledge of their salvation. The gospel has not been given to them accurately, and they merely rest upon an emotional upheaval. If the experience was significant, then they fall back upon it to fortify their faith. When the emotional experience wears thin and there is not much to rest upon, then doubts and uncertainty creep in to make the heart disturbed. Many of these people do not know the assurance that there is in the gospel:

    That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ. ( Colossians 2:2)

    Sin.

    Unconfessed sin in the life of a believer is the greatest single factor in robbing one of the assurance of salvation. God wants us to have the full assurance of faith; this comes experientially through fellowship with God. Sin breaks our fellowship, and this, in time, sets up a chain reaction that breaks our assurance.

    If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth. ( 1 John 1:6)

    We can bluff our way through before others by putting up a front that all is well. But underneath, doubts begin to gnaw like little foxes at the fringe of our faith, and we actually feel that we are not really God's children. We dread the light because it makes us more conscious of our doubts. God is still our Father nonetheless, and a conviction of sin is pretty good evidence. We have lost our fellowship - not our salvation.

    See Part 6.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    ( Eternal ) life.

    Part 4.

    The righteousness mentioned here in Isaiah 32:17 is not man's, but it is the righteousness of God revealed in the gospel. This is the righteousness of Christ, which is made over to us and gives us a standing before God. It cannot be improved upon because it is perfect, and it cannot be disturbed because it is given to the lost sinner who trusts in Jesus.

    God wants all who trust the work in Christ to come to a place in experience where each can say with confidence, boldness, and much assurance, but with true humility:

    I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. ( 2 Timothy 1:12)

    To fall short of this goal is to miss the best that He has for us. It reveals a defect in our understanding and in our appreciation of His "so great salvation" ( Hebrews 2:3).

    My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, who gave them to me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. ( John 10:27-29)

    He never lets go. Now sit back, relax, and enjoy your salvation. Someone has said, "All the way to heaven is heaven."

    Why Do We Doubt?

    There are many reasons why believers do not have the assurance of their salvation. Let us look at some of the principal ones.

    Fear.

    Some are frightened souls who received the gospel in trembling and fear. The gospel was presented partially, and they were not told that they could have any assurance. There is always a serious doubt whether folk like this have ever been saved. The instability and inconsistency of the lives of many who live in the atmosphere of uncertainty do not reveal a thoroughgoing conversion. It is interesting to note what Paul wrote to the Thessalonians concerning the preaching of the gospel in their city:

    See Part 5.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Part 3.

    God is offering eternal life - everlasting life - to those who believe in Christ. It is not temporary or uncertain. It is not paid for on the installment plan. It is a gift the moment one believes, but for longer than a moment - for eternity.

    You may or you may not have the assurance of this salvation that God offers as everlasting life. An anomalous situation exists today. Some Christians believe in the security of the believer but do not themselves have the assurance of their salvation; "My brethren, these things ought not so to be" ( James 3:10), but they do exist.

    God wants you to know that you are His child through faith in Jesus Christ:

    But as many as received him, to them gave he power [the right] to become the children of God, even to them that believe on his name; who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. ( John 1:12, 13)

    It is not honoring to Him for you to have misgivings, doubts, and a lack of assurance. "Maybe" and "perhaps" should not be in the vocabulary of a born-again Christian when the matter of salvation is the subject. It is not a "hope so" but a "know so" salvation that God offers. It is always described as everlasting or eternal life; it is not temporary or conditional. Listen to God and be assured:

    He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:12-13

    Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Hebrews 10:22.

    This is not the language of uncertainty. There is a remarkable passage in this connection expressed in Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness, quietness and assurance forever.

    See part 4.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    ( Eternal ) Salvation.

    Part 2.

    Eternal security is an objective fact; assurance of salvation is a subjective experience.

    Eternal security is not in the realm of experience, and therefore is totally independent of a person's feelings; assurance of salvation is truly an experience - an inner consciousness and confidence that a right relationship exists between the soul and God.

    Eternal security rests upon certain objective facts that are established and sure; it depends upon God's faithfulness. A simple illustration will clarify this point. The Battle of Bunker Hill is a fact in American history. You and I did not experience the Battle of Bunker Hill, and our feelings are, therefore, no guide to the accuracy of history concerning it.

    Eternal security rests upon what God says!

    He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. ( 1 John 5:12)

    The most wonderful statement in the Bible (or out of the Bible, for that matter) is Romans 8:1 -

    There is, therefore, now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus..

    In conjunction with this verse are verses 33 and 34 of the same chapter:

    Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? Shall God that justifieth? Who is he that condemneth? Shall Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us?

    The throne of God is behind every sinner who has trusted in Jesus. Christ's work of redemption is adequate enough to secure the perfect salvation for the sinner who trusts Him. If not, then the work of Christ was of no avail, and it was not a finished transaction but must be written down as "unfinished business." However, He, as it were, wrote over His cross, "It is finished" ( John 19:30).

    See Part 3.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Tin.

    Salvation is in a person! Our Lord Jesus Christ!

    If you have Christ you have ( Eternal ) life.

    That's what Christ is offering! (Eternal life!)

    If you truly accepted Christ as savior you have Salvation "Eternal life".

    He that hath the Son hath life; and he that

    hath not the Son of God hath not life. These

    things have I written unto you that believe on the

    name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye

    have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the

    name of the Son of God. ( 1 John 5:12, 13)

    Let me share a article on the subject from J Vernon Mcgee.

    Part 1.

    Can we know experientially that we are saved and that we are the children of God? For years, my soul was tossed on the troubled sea of uncertainty and insecurity. Finally, there dawned upon my darkened mind the light of Philippians 1:6 -

    Being confident of this very thing, that he who hath begun a good work in you will perform [perfect] it until the day of Jesus Christ.

    It was then that the sun of Scripture rose with many shafts of light and penetrated the dark recesses of fears and doubts. I pray that I may be given wisdom and power to convey to your fearful heart the assurance of your salvation, if it is not already your present possession. For those who have experienced the assurance of salvation, perhaps these few words will stabilize and strengthen the fabric of your faith. Assurance is your rightful possession, and God wants you to have it as your portion.

    First of all, we need to distinguish between one's eternal security and his assurance of salvation. The line of demarcation must be clearly drawn if we are to enter experientially into the joy of salvation.

    See Part 2.

    ( Eternal ) Salvation.
  • Dogman - In Reply - 1 year ago
    As Christ said, My flock know my name, wherefore do they answer Him when He calls upon their name. No one, not even Satan, can pluck them from out of His possession when He moderates how their lives shall fall out (to better, green pastures). We latter learn in Romans 5-13 that how we will know who goes to the abyss or to heaven? The assurance that he who calls upon Him in faith is already saved, insured by the fath that no more of the Laws shall trouble their salvation. Amen.

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  • Jackieboy80 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    You can only get security in this life from God . To get it you need to have the strongest foundation , which is , His Word . You must read your Bible every day and you must acknowledge God in prayer through Christ . 1st John chapter 4 . This is just one chapter amongst many hundreds that will help you to be strong and confident in your faith and in your understanding of what exactly the Gospel is and what it means to you in your daily life . Build your faith on a sure foundation , the Bible . The Living Word of The Everlasting God Almighty .
  • Giannis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Romans 10:8-10

    "8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."



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