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Hello Steven

When we read the first verse of 'Revelation' we see Jesus being given the Revelation which he is to shew unto His servants concerning the "things which must shortly come to pass."

So, we see the timing being set for what is to be written to the seven churches, after which John identifies the recipients of this revelation when he says

4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: "

This will be the first revelation given to John and which Jesus Christ signified by his angel unto his servant John:

It is specific to the SEVEN CHURCHES WHICH ARE IN ASIA

There is no reason or cause to believe that each church represents an era of time in the future. The text says no such thing. It is a false supposition to say that the letters lay out the history of the Church. ( In order.) This supposition is not even remotely supported by the text.

When the text says "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.", it is obviously referring to the churches who are being addressed.



Of course, the churches could learn from each other's messages in a general sense but in a specific sense, each of the seven messages has a very deliberate message for each individual church and their own individual circumstances at the time of writing.

We can learn from Revelation as we consider future events, but we should be careful not to add any suppositions which could distort what the text is saying.

'Revelation' uses much symbolism so I would advise anybody who is studying Revelation that they should do so in the light of the scriptures where the teaching of Christ and his apostles is clear and easier to understand, so that they don't erroneously depart from God's truth.

I hope that you find this comment helpful.

Hello Chris, I believe that the hour of temptation/trial was experienced by the generation who were alive at that time in terms of the persecution of the Christian church which was ongoing.

If we read the message in Revelation 2, to the church in Smyrna we see that they were to undergo terrible persecution where many of them would be imprisoned and were told to be faithful unto death.



Revelation 2:10

"Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

I believe that persecution of the church is a catalyst for trial and temptation when Christians are subjected to much suffering. The temptation for some Christians might be to depart from the Christian faith in order to escape persecution.

I believe that this testing is what is being referred to in Rev. 3:10 with the promise of escaping the temptation, i.e., that they would not yield or succumb to it.

The majority of the world's population would have been compliant to the Roman Empire and its edicts and in doing so would have yielded to the trial and would have succumbed to the temptation of being at peace with the Romans to the exclusion of practising the Christian faith.



So, in this context the whole world was under trial, l but I believe that the promise to the Philadelphian church ensured that they would not succumb to the temptation of being compliant to the Romans for the sake of escaping persecution.

The author of the martyrdom of Polycarp mentions a would-be martyr who instead chose to make a sacrifice to the Roman gods in order to save his own life.

Here we see a person succumbing to the pressure of compliance to a Roman edict.

The world has experienced many trials including two world wars, but I believe that Revelation 3:10 is concerned with the specific church which existed at that time and the trials of that time.

Hi Anthony.

I just wanted to share my view on the seven Churches in Revelation ch 2 and 3.

1st. They all were local Churches.

The Revelation (Unveiling) of Jesus Christ. These letters also is to and applies to the complete Church Era.

In ch 1 vs19 we have "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

I believe that is what John did.

That is what he wrote in

Revelation 1:12-17.

In Revelation 2 and 3 he wrote about the things which are.

(What's existing) "Church Era, throughout history "

( And the things which shall be hereafter; )

Starts with Revelation 4:1 "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

( And it carries on throughout the rest of the book. )

I also believe the phrase "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches." suggest this is also written to us.

( He that hath an ear! )

Also "let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the CHURCHES." ( Plural ) suggest that all seven letters apply to all seven Churches, It's admonitory. All seven apply to all of us. And the letters lay out the history of the Church. ( In order.)

God bless.

Hi Anthony. Could you expand on Revelation 3:10 please? Given your understanding on it, the verse sounds like the the Philadelphian Church is promised to be non-existent by the time "the hour of temptation which shall come upon the whole world" takes place.

But if they're promised to be kept from that hour while they were in existence, then the question, 'when did that hour arrive that would come upon & test the whole world?' Was history remiss by not recording that great event or maybe we've misinterpreted "hour of temptation"? It gets confusing.

Hello Duncan, Revelation 3:10 is not addressed to present day Christians.

In Rev: 1:19 We see that John is told to write about things that were current and about things that would happen in the future.

"Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;" (Rev: 1:19 )

So, a clear distinction is made between what was current and what would happen in the future. So where do we draw the line between the messages to the churches and the prophecies concerning what would happen in the future? We are given the answer in Rev: 4:1

1"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

So, in Rev. 2and 3 each of the seven churches received a message specific to that church and it's circumstances at that particular time and are separate to the prophecies concerning the future.

This is my understanding.

However there is other scripture to encourage that GOD is able to deliver: 2Peter 2:5-9, we are to be good soldiers, endure: 2Timothy 2:3, 2Timothy 4:5, 1Peter 2:19, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13,

Matthew 24, Mark 13, Jesus explains specifically it's after the great tribulation He will gather together His elect.

Revelation 6:9-11, Revelation 2:11, Hebrews 11,

GOD's WORD is called a living word by many because of it's HIS amazing ability to be relevant today, prophetic & historical

Psalms 22, for example, Psalms 41:9 King David being betrayed by Saul, yet predicting Jesus' betrayer

I see Revelation significant for today & more than simple coincidence when Philadelphia is researched online only USA references are found, being the only significant Philadelphia in our time, the the very foundation of an otherwise unmentioned World Power was founded on "in GOD We TRUST" in Philadelphia, where both our Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution were signed & US Mint prints faithfully those very words upon all currency. Revelation 3:8, The Liberty bell that has inscription about the Biblical Jubilee, Leviticus 25:10, also remains today ironically cracked._._. Philadelphia also the proposed Capital of USA, still debated today of the legitimacy of the meeting that decided a different venue. Song today trendy "The room where it happenes" Revelation 3:7-13, 2020 2nd largest Jewish population in the World is USA, Many claims of Jewish heritage in movie, banking, business, judiciary yet deny GOD's laws & justice ect.

Revelation Philadelphia, very interesting to me.

yes this message is for all believers and to understand more john 15 Jesus has also explained that if you abide in him he will abide in you.

he will give you strength to overcome because you have kept his word.

Some people believe that in Rev 3:10 Jesus is saying that if we believe in him that he will protect us from the great tribulation and they use this to support the notion that the rapture will happen before the great tribulation. But in Rev 3:10 Jesus speaks about rewarding the Philadelphian church for what they have done BEFORE receiving this message and not what they will do in the future. This message is addressed specifically to the Philadelphian church in Asia Minor and nobody else. So, to say that Rev 3:10 is referring to us Christians today, is an error which adds something to Rev. 3:10, which it has not said or implied.

Rev. 3:10 says

"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Psalm 1 is only five verses long; but contains several very important themes. Namely; it is avoiding heeding to the council of the wicked in terms of taking to heart; the character; longevity and wisdom of the righteous and their eternal destinies; and the opposing state of the wicked.

There are warnings for those who would esteem men and exalt those who the world does in Luke 16:15. The foolishness of God is greater than any of man's vain knowledge ( 1 Corinthians 1:25). We see this pattern among many of the Pharisees who believed but becuase they did not wish to lose their position in the Synagogue remained silent. (see John 12:42). We must heed warnings such as that of Jesus who stated that "he who confesses me before men I will confess before the Father in heaven in Matthew 10:32 and the denial of those who will deny Him in the very next verse. We see what the wicked counsel of the Jews led to with the crucifixion of Christ. At the very least we must heed to Revelation 3:11 which in my book is a very undervalued admonition about losing our reward and basically handing it over to another. We also must take care not to behave as the world does with gossip and chatter about every controversy.

Verse 2 and 3 discuss the characteristics of the righteous. We are reminded here of Psalm 119 where the longest chapter in all scripture repeats over and over the love of the law of God which is only possible with a regenerated heart; else it ends up being religious self-righteousness. The result of such a character is perseverance of character; and blessings for this life and the one to come.

Verse 4 and 5 discuss the wicked. It shows how they won't even stand at the judgment. That makes it clear why we shouldn't stand with them in the first place. They are compared to chaff (also seen in the N.T. and in Job 21:18; etc).

The last verse shows how God keeps His sheep; and the wicked basically are on a default mode to destruction.

Hi Gigi.

Sorry but this is not a topic I care to discuss much. But I do and will if I know the person is not looking to do battle.

My msg to you wasn't about the topic. It was conduct.

As I said before it was the way you responded that moved me to respond. And yes you you did everything I said you did.

However we can move on from that.

On to the early church farthers and Darby.

When you stated

The modern view in dispensationalism as promoted by Darby and Scofield are not identical to what Polycarp and Irenaeus taught. The interpretation of Darby is what is promoted and believed by many believers today. His theory began in the 1800's.

I asked in what ways do they differ?

My reasoning for asking is I never read anything from neither! I was interested in knowing ""the accused differences"" in their Pretrib view because I believe what Brother Chris was saying is that some of the early church farthers had a Pretrib view aa well. It didn't start in the 1800's.

And you responded with several pages.

1st) I should have made myself clearer. We were discussing the pretrib rapture not the Millennium.

However I got my answer from your first page.

You said the ECF believed that the church will go through the tribulation. The DP believe that the church will not suffer any to the tribulation.

Another of many internet clippings that is argumentative and not inspired. Not to say it's wrong but I think I can trust what scripture has to say instead.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-11.

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee ""FROM THE HOUR"" of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

( Do you notice it doesn't say I will protect you from the tribulation, It says I will keep you from the "hour ).

My issue was you providing material from off the internet to correct ones view that seemed to line up with scripture. And the scripture you provided was not even scripture about the rapture.

GB

Revelation 22 concluding thoughts

Once more in verses 11 and 15 we see how the state of a person remains for all eternity; either in Christ and entirely dead to the old self and in heaven; or else remaining in a sinful state no doubt punished for the specific severity depending on what types of sins are being judged.

There is no room for lingering on any aspects of this life; as heaven will be paved with gold. There is truly joy to service which those not in Christ cannot comprehend. It will no doubt be fellowship of the saints that moves beyond male/female and all barriers that the cares of this life tend to separate us from now.

The focus of verse 18 and 19 are what I would like to focus this study on. The first verse warns of anyone adding to the prophecy that God will add the plagues in this book. Since that involves anything in the seal; trumpet or vial judgments it may allow for some hope of repentance. The next verse; however indicates a name being removed from the book of life for those who take something out of it. This is the only verse in the Bible warning of direct response of taking someone out of the book of life. ( Exodus 32:33). The earlier verse in Revelation 3:5 shows someone NOT taken out of the book.

Personally; I would tend to think this would refer to the book of all the living on earth who; when lost are not able to retain it and thus enter the book of life in the first place. Therefore they die the second death. This would mean; of course that potentially everyone can come to Christ and it sort of decimates the idea of the doctrine of election. Frankly I had never paid much attention to this verse before. Furthermore the specific actions of meddling with God's Word is a specific way such an individual reveals their turning from whatever their conscience dictates to a delusion (see Romans 1; Psalm 19). However you slice it no one who messes with God's Word should be surprised by His judgments.

QJohn 16:12-3 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:15-16. Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. Galatians 1:3-5. All I can tell us is thismemorize your KJV Bible. Save as many as your love one's. Be patient. Listen more and speak less. Love your spouse deeply. Grow in grace and true charity 1 Corinthians 13:1-13. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18. The time is at hand. We will see more changes and mark this day. Watch carefully. Revelation 3:2-3. There is a spiritual message in Job 20:1-29. Be careful for nothing Philippians 4:6. Hebrews 10:31, but Revelation 21:8. I comfort you with these 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18. As you walk in the Spirit of God, Proverbs 23:4-5. Those who are in Spirit understand Psalm 90:10 read the whole chapter. Our meditation be Psalms 91:1:16 memorize and our prayers today be Psalms 55:1-23. Peace.

Revelation 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what THE Holy Spirit is saying unto the churches.'

14 And unto the angel of the church in Laodicea write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Chief Ruler of the creation of God;

15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to spue thee out of My mouth.

17 Because thou sayest, "I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing;" and knowest not that thou

art the wretched one, and miserable, and poor(in spirit), and blind,and naked:

Tempted above what ye may be able to bear.

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon (all the world), to try them that dwell upon the earth.

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death

Too bad this gets Misinterpreted:

Dear Alex,

I really would not have noticed the lower case. I am not that sensitive, anyway. But thanks for the clarification. GiGi or gigi or both ok with me.

I hope you are doing well today. I will be canning beans and pickles today. Did the same last week. My garden has produced well. Thank you LORD!

Gi-Gi ....Sorry for my reply in lower case letters....I didn't type it this way....But it came back in lower case letters...Sorry GBU SWEETY...

Hiya gi gi...thanks gbu too.

Well said, Alex. hope you are having a good day today.

Brenda good question....But we must remember what Jesus said in John 10:29....My Father that gave them me is GREATER THEN ALL and NO MAN is able to pluck them out of my FATHER HANDS....While we were yet sinners Christ died for us...WE are not our own...We were all bought with a price...His blood of that New Covenant....In Rev. 5 there is a book that Jesus wrote with his own blood of a New Covenant....And His Blood is not eraseable....Thats y Roman 8 is saying there is therefore no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus....Even in the O.T....Once the Blood was applied to the mercy seat it cd not be erased or washed away for 1 yr it was an annual thing.... but now under this NEW Covenant its for all the world for eternity

.....We are bornagain by his LIVING WORDS...And Jesus said heaven and earth will pass away but MY WORDS WILL NEVA PASSAWAY....Our conduct does not keep us simply b/c of Satan and his Tares makes us do things we donot consent unto....As Paul said if i do something i do not consent unto its not i that does it but sin that dwells in my Members.. Romans 7:6 kjv....Thus Satan will tell you O YOU HAVE SINNED THUS YOUR NAME IS BLOTTED OUT OF HIS BOOK...But thats not true simply b/c there is no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit...

There is no man that is stronger then God Almighty God including the devil ....And Jesus said my Father that gave them to me is greater then all and no man can pluck them out of my FATHERS HANDS....PERIOD....Thus Jesus will not lose any of his sheep

Matthew 24:26-28 states that where the carcasses are the eagles (or similar birds of prey) are gathered. This would indeed; make it seem that those taken were taken for judgment and in Revelation about half are taken out that are listed in the one fourth dying in the first four seals; and another third in the Trumpet judgments. We can look at the tale of the ten virgins in a similar light. It would seem indicative of this being representative of God's church as they were all "virgins"; but clearly those who Christ stated "I know you not" or "I never knew you depart from me you workers of iniquity" ( Matt. 7:23) never were believers. There are difficult passages which could just be allegorical warnings; as well as different scenarios (such as that of the servant who hid his talent); in Luke 19 and lost his reward; contrasted with the version in Matthew 25 where he was "cast into outer darkness" which sounds like hell; but it could be into the Tribulation as well! The virgins who went out to buy oil seems to be at least a possible hint that in order to have more "oil of the Spirit" they had to buy gold refined in the fire such as in Revelation 3:18 which again COULD represent works through the "fires" of the Tribulation.

Basically; these are eschatological issues. What we can b certain of is that FAR less than half of ANY population will be raptured.

Even if we take at face value the Rapture as a salvation and not a reward issue; Christ made it clear that FEW are saved. There is always a believing remnant among those confessing faith; in the O.T. as well as the New. Thus; the passage in question sounds more like God taking half out for judgment; but even that is in question as only FEW will live through the whole event (one third of Israel ( Zech 13:7-9). and those of the Gentiles will be rarer than the "gold of Ophir" ( Isaiah 13:12 on how few remain in the Day of the Lord). This verse could speak of Israel's casualties, SPECIFICALLY.

Agape; RP

Brenda. Not to be confusing since Christian's those who confess Romans 10:9+10

As you said our sin or sins are forgiven i.e. age of grace it is not of works then the

Question is who are the seven churches because they are being judged by their

Works? We will face the bema and be rewarded for our service and not judged by

When we sinned. So since believers don't face judgement and are righteous in

God's eyes by Jesus Christ I don't see how those assemblies are about the church

In the age of grace. P.S. also the book of revelation is written in old testament

Nomenclature and does not purtain to the church of God in the age of grace

Because we will be gathered together before the appearing starts.

Dear Brenda

You have pointed out a very important thing, that salvation can be lost, our name can be literally erased from the Book of Life. When? When we don't end up victorious in our course of life.

Paul says to Timothy about himself.

1 Timothy 4:6-9

"For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.

I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

Hence forth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."

And then he says in verse 10 "For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica;...""

So for one to get the crown of righteousness, he has to fight the good fight, to finish his course and to keep his faith. To be victorious in his christian life (by God's power and grace). If not then he will not inherit the Kingdom of God. And one doesn't know when his life is going to end, so we must be always ready. That is why in another part of the Bible ( Philippians 2:12) Pauls advices christians to work out their salvation with fear and trembling. God will always work in us to bring us in the right position of righteousness but He needs our cooperation and obedience. If one becomes like Demas who eventually loved and returned to his previous sinful life then he will not enter into eternal life. Remember Lot's wife. If one has love for this sinful world in his heart he won't be able to follow Jesus till the end. His love for other things will deviate him from his goal. If one is a lukewarm christian like the 5 unwise virgins of the known parable then he will be left out of the Marriage etc.

God Blessings

This is a good passage Brenda, that clearly highlights the condition of many calling themselves 'Christian', but are not. In fact, Revelation 3:1-6, speaks about the Church in Sardis, that was in its death throes. They "had a name" in their community, but were in fact a defeated Church, entertaining sin, & about to expire. But, Jesus says, 'there were a few among them (only a few) that remained pure from engaging in evil - and these were worthy to be with Him.'

So in verse 5, Jesus speaks about those who are true believers & are victors (overcomers) & there names are secure in the Book of Life. I looked at the Greek for "I will not blot out his name", and there seems to be an emphasis there, rendering it as 'I will 'no not' blot out his name'. We know from Ephesians 1:4-14, that those who belong to Jesus have been chosen, predestined to adoption, having received redemption, an inheritance, and been sealed with the Holy Spirit. That speaks to us of complete security in Christ.

Unfortunately, most in the Sardis Church were still carnal unregenerate folk & they were told to set things right in their hearts lest they face judgement. But a few were true to the Lord & kept themselves clean - these ones were secure in Christ & their names indelibly inscribed in the Book of Life. So does that mean that some can have their names blotted out & at some future date be rewritten back in, etc. etc.? I understand that Jesus is emphasizing the fact that it is an impossibility for true believers (those fully trusting in the Lord & walking in His Spirit) to have their names removed - once written, never, no never blotted out.

In Revelation Chapter 3:5 ""All who are victorious will be clothed in white. I will never erase their names from the book of Life....." I thought once your name was written in the book of Life then you are guaranteed a seat in heaven. This scripture implies that your name can be erased based on how you live your life. I would love to hear what other think about this scripture.

Dave,

I'm not sure if your question was about GOD or man. I will try my best to answer it. Ironically " ambiguous " meaning double meaning._._

I think that GOD's WORD the Bible is clear, when we study, & pray for wisdom. James 1:5,

1st GOD gave people dominion: Genesis 1:26,27,28, = power, dominion ect. Within 2nd Generation & continued; 1st crime: Genesis 4:6-9, & Genesis 4:23, dominion with disregard for others, even anothers very life. Genesis 6:5, Exodus 1:8,13,16,22, even disregard for life of children

Even then though GOD doesn't disregard HE repayed. Exodus 12:29, Exodus 13:15, notice the whole chapter of Exodus 12, points to John 3:15,16,17, Again people with dominion & power disregarding life of innocent: Luke 22:1,2,7,20,54,63,64, continued; Luke 23:1,2,15,21,33,34,

Also: they killed their own children, Leviticus 18:21, Leviticus 20:1-8, that GOD had destroyed nations for that sin! 1Kings 11:7, 2Kings 23:10,

Jeremiah 32:35, ( how? ) it's unimaginable even to GOD ALMIGHTY ! Jeremiah 7:31, Jeremiah 19:5, 2Chronicles 33:9, 1Kings 11:1-12, Deuteronomy 6:14, Deuteronomy 7:1-8, why? Was it because they destroyed the children, had disregard for innocent lives of their own offspring? Images of GOD

Psalms 82:6, in context Psalms 82,

GOD will Judge: Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 18:5,6,10,14, Matthew 19:14, Mark 9:42, Luke 17:2, 2Peter 2:7-9, Psalms 9:7,

If your question is regarding "us" "believers" Luke 12:32, Revelation 21,

There will be suffering here on Earth but promises to those who endure, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Revelation 10, 2Timothy 2:3, Revelation 6:9-11,

Hopefully these are helpful

Protecting children, why does this seem so hard or ambiguous

Verses 1 through 5 relate to Sardis; with a rather vague condemnation of works not "perfect" as stated in verse 2. Clearly; sin was involved as the "garments were not stained" who would walk before Christ in white because they are worthy as verse 4 indicates. This would seem to be a subset of those who eventually will overcome as verse 5 indicates. Verse 3 shows that those who don't watch and wait as Luke 21:36 exhorts will have Christ return (probably the rapture) when they don't expect. It would seem that those would be the ones left behind; but still are saved as we note that they have garments but they are defiled. Those unsaved wouldn't be clothed in any spiritual garments. This is of course controversial; but it seems that few will wake up in time for the rapture. The alternative to that is that they will stand at the Bema seat and suffer loss ( 1 Cor. 3:15). One thing is for sure; those who do believe will be martyred and this in large part proves their faithfulness. Some are given white robes in Revelation 6:11; Revelation 7:14 seems to indicate robes made white by martyrdom; however. The question whether robes and garments are the same could be asked. Perhaps the best thing that can be taken here is that we must die to self daily and be ready for martyrdom; which comes largely from not fearing death. Only through the Spirit can we do this! We do well also to heed to ongoing persecutions and pray daily for our brethren.

Next the Philadelphia church and Laodiceans are brought up as polar opposites in many ways.

The theme of "patience" in verse 10 is repeated throughout many N.T. and even O.T. passages as characteristic of those faitfully waiting for the Lord's return going about their business. ( Luke 19:13). Overcomers once again even in this church are promised a future blessing (in this case to sit with Him in His throne). Spuing them out certainly once again sounds like being cast into the Tribulation. Let the reader pray and decide.

Brother chris:

and god replies at verse 14, i am that i am-i am

the whole bible is the gospel of the king(dom) of god, the old just a shadow of the new.

what does it mean when god says i am? i am: who are what?

the gospel is: there is only the life of god and truth of god ...... there is only: i am.... the king(dom) in you, his body.

man was predestinated to become the image of christ: romans 8:29

not many believe this, because man has demeaned the gospel of the king(dom) of god.

ephesians 4:4 ....one spirit .......

john 14:6 ..... "i am" life ......"i am" truth ....."i am" the way .....

revelation 3:12 ....and i will write upon him (my body) the name of my god .... i am (put your name here).

so now truth: i am; jesus christ.

i am; chris: the king(dom) in you.

i am: the being of every body.

ephesians 4:4 ....one spirit (the life of god) ....one body (man, that holds the life of god)....

revelation 3:8 ...and has not denied my name. i am (the life of every body)

i am; abraham, i am; isaac, i am; jacob ...i am; the life of man ...all creation is in birth pains waiting to be delivered: the new creation born again of (i am) truth.

1 corinthians 15:28 and when all things (in the ages to come) shall be subdued unto him, then shall the son also be subject unto him who put all things under him, that god (i am) may be all ("i am" life) in all (bodies).

genesis 3:22 ...behold man (the body of "i am") has become like us ....."i am" truth. life and the way.

we have to eat (i am) the tree of knowledge ....it contains both evil and good.

proverbs 16:6 by (i am) truth and (i am) mercy iniquity (deception) is purged .....

god will be all in all: isaiah 55:11

everyone; his children, is going to be called by his name.

god bless you.

Brother Doug:

I read your comment, you believe we are one with The Father and the Son John 17:21; but you don't believe we exchange names.

Are we the bride (the wife) of our HUSBAND (Christ)?

Does the WIFE not always take the NAME OF HER HUSBAND?

Revelation 3:12...and I (CHRIST) will write upon him (my wife) the NAME OF MY GOD ......and I will write upon him My NAME.

God Bless You.

1 Thessalonians 3:10. I prayed and re-read the Bible. 2 Timothy 2:15. Matthew 24:4-5. If you are guided by the Holy Spirit of God, Colossians 2:2-3. Grow in grace and Charity 2 Peter 3:18; 1 Corinthians 13:4-9. Colossians 3:14. Many of you 2 Timothy 3:10. Galatians 6:6. Galatians 6:10. All scriptures tie out-Old Testament and New Testament. God directed my paths to be a very honest Corporate Auditor on earth to testify that the Bible is true and indeed cannot lie. Men lie. Every word in KJV Bible you can follow stories upon stories for us to know and learn what to do. There is no man can pervert the word of God, except you are lost. I pray that all be saved. Read the Bible and be guided by the Holy Spirit; Cover to cover are blessed and believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. All scriptures directed in the end to The blood of Jesus Christ for the world salvation. 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22

Revelation 3:2. Thank you for the opportunities to communicate through written comments to some of you. Thank you for the website Agape.