Discuss Revelation 3 Page 10

Thanks for your comments!

To clarify, I am saying, you can use the word hell anytime you want, but that it is spiritually much better for people to greet other people with, LoveO, instead of HellO!

Subconsciously and spirituality over time it is better for both the sinners and the saints!!

I certainly do like people saying to me "LoveO",

Reminding me that I owe love to people.

If for the pass 200+ years, the sinners and the saints were greeting each other with "LoveO", instead of HellO, there would be a lot less 'hell' in the world today!

--------------------------------

Also, if someone's name is Hellen, or some other word that has some negative overtones to it, then they can change their name to something more positive, if they want to! God changes peoples names all the time!!

Look at Abram!

God changed Abram's name to Abraham, and then God changed Abraham's wife's name from "Sarai," meaning "my princess," to "Sarah," meaning "mother of nations". Genesis 17:5 and Genesis 17:15



God changes names of people for spiritual reasons all the time!

God The Father even gives Christ a "new name", and this is for "spiritual" reasons first.

Revelation 3:12

"He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name."

Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with his wisdom and His understanding.

There is two groups of people in God's Kingdom. The ones being called NOW; resurrected with Christ, will be the ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.

Revelation 5:10

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, SHALL BE GIVEN to the people of the saints (priest) of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and ALL DOMINIONS SHALL SERVE AND OBEY HIM (being made one with Christ they will obey us also).

Those raised at the second resurrection are the ones under the authority of God's priest and judges.

Revelation 2:26-27

Psalms 2:8-10

Revelation 3:9

Psalms 149:9

Sacha,

I understand your feelings. I appreciate your thoughtful posts, and how you internalize the Spirit. I can answer your question in one sentence: All souls go back to God; dead children, like all dead, await the resurrection.

Everyone is trying their best, some withhold their true opinion for reprisal. Don't get me wrong, If someone nicked my horse meat pie, I'd throw a wobbly, too.

I am dedicating my forthcoming Ezekiel 38 composite to you. It took me about a week to compile from memory, and had to cut out bone to get it down to 6 pages. You will like it. The OT ties in the NT with unexpected delight, stories that fill in mysteries cracks, while honoring the majesty of the prophets.

Simon ,thanks but i gotta get out of this place ,love in Christ .

Sacha,

No, don't go. Give it one more week. You know I love you so, baby please don't go.

S Spenser ,you didnt answer my question as to why you believe this child went to heaven . These verses are very clear to me ,very simple . Im done on here . Bye every one , may God be mercifull to you all .

Dear Adam, You seem sincere so I will honor your reply. To rightly understand this, we must first use the instructions given to us by God and rightly divide the scriptures. Saved must be understood in context. For the saints under the law at the time of Christ and for those who will have to endure the time of Jacobs trouble (enduring to the "end" of the tribulation and entering into the promised Kingdom of Heaven on earth given to Israel), will be essential. Many if not most will have to die and be martyred to keep the faith. Their works will be evidence of their faith and will be essential as a testimony to that. That is why you read so many verses about that in Matt, Mk, Lk, Jn, Hebrews, James, Peter, 1-3 John Jude and Rev. You are correct in understanding that those during that time would be able to abandon their faith and would be judged for it. When the Kingdom of Christ is again set up through the believing remnant and reigning, the law of God will flow from Zion for the whole world. Violation of Gods law will be dealt with through righteous judgment and the penalty for transgressions will be quick. (please read about Ananias and Saphira in Acts.5:1-11)

That is why 1 John says to the saints of that time not to pray for some sins. See 1 John 5:16. Remember that Christ gave and will give the Apostles in the Kingdom of Heven on earth the divine authority to forgive sins or not. John 20:23. Matt 19:28. When Israel rejected the witness of the the Holy Spirit Act 7:54-60, God set aside Israel and Chose to reveal through the Apostle Paul a new dispensation. See Ephesians 3. Until the body of Christ is removed and the fullness of the gentiles if come in, works are not part of salvation. Believers can do nothing to be made righteous but believe in the faith of Christ. God seals us with His Holy Spirit and we are immersed into the Body of Christ and adopted into his heavenly family. Rom 8.Our works will be judged but we will be saved See 1 For 3:15. Eph 2:8-9 God Bless

If it was up to us we all would loose our salvation. THANK GOD ITS NOT!!!!!!

Hi Bob,

Obviously you took my post incorrectly. I'll try using Scriptures again.

I never said Christ and the Father was not a relationship. You brought this up. I never said Christ is the Father or the Father is Christ as it seems you took it. I know it's a Father Son relationship. Again John 10:30, John 14:11, John 17:21. Revelation 3:21. For a couple.

Some say the Father being in Christ means He left Heaven. God spoke from Heaven several times proving that false. Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 12:28.

Here are a couple stating the Spirit of Truth or Holy Ghost as He/Him: John 14:17, John 14:26. Putting the three in ONE as in 1 John 5:7.

As I've been trying to answer your questions though you seemed to have veered from mine. No one knows the depths and ways of God. He can do anything He wants. Isaiah 40:28, Isaiah 55:8-9. Just like giving all His power and authority to His Son so we honor Him just as we honor the Father. Matthew 28:18, John 5:22-23. Not knowing your beliefs on this but no one can say Christ did not exist before He was born here. Christ Himself stated this and there are other Scriptures that back this up also. John 17:4-5. All I do is use the Scriptures. I have no private interpretation as that is not what the Scriptures are for. 2 Peter 1:20.

Nothing is falling apart for me. I've given you many Scriptural verses as I have not seen one from you. Also I really don't even know your motive for making the first post the other night. The reason I made the reply is because you said something about a "man made trinity doctrine". Which I showed you is not man made it's Biblical.

Still not getting into how many titles the Father and Son share. Not knowing if it would make any difference to you.

I'm not here to argue and don't take my post that way please. You may have your own view.

Again as I hope I've answered your questions. I'll just leave the one again.

Do you believe the Scriptures I've posted?

Thank you. God Bless.

Beloved Brothers and Sisters:

My Prayer Request is that OUR LOVE GOD JEHOVAH, THE TRUEST LOVE, May Enter the Deepest of My Love Mind, Heart, Soul, Spirit and Body, so JESUS CHRIST Provide Me, this Very Moment, a Legal Voter's Card, Constantly and Eternally.

Thanks a lot!

Blessings from THE FATHER to You All,

Omar Trigo.

James, may christ in us grace us with his wisdom and his understanding.

god is spirit

john 4:24

the word was god

john 1:1

my words are spirit and life

john 6:63

christ was the first born of the word and the spirit

revelation 3:14 ... the beginning of creation.

yes the word is a person; christ existed long before he was made flesh.

Walt, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Man didn't start with eve; man started with Christ. Adam was just a shadow of the TRUE FIRST MAN CREATED.

Revelation 3:14 .... the faithful and true witness, THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD...

The true witness is Christ.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness....

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the BEGINNING and the ENDING....

Jesus was the first man created; and when HIS WORKS are finished, He will be the LAST MAN created.

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, and THEY ARE CREATED; and thou renewest the face of the earth.

Psalms 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which SHALL BE CREATED shall praise the Lord.

Romans 8:29 For whom he (GOD) did foreknow (ALL CREATION), he also did predestinate to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON, that he (THE SON) might be the firstborn (FIRST MAN OF CREATION) among many brethren (LAST MAN OF CREATION).

Thanks Richard,

King David can relate to the role of a shepherd. and he realizes as sheep we're Vulnerable,

As I just want to post this to you S Spencer. As that Psalm you posted lead me to open the Bible to that page. Then reading Psalms 71: is perfect for my heart this day.

In thee, O LORD, do I put my trust: let me never be put to confusion.

Deliver me in thy righteousness, and cause me to escape: incline thine ear unto me, and save me.

Be thou my strong habitation, whereunto I may continually resort: thou hast given commandment to save me; for thou art my rock and my fortress.

Deliver me, O my God, out of the hand of the wicked, out of the hand of the unrighteous and cruel man.

For thou art my hope, O Lord GOD: thou art my trust from my youth.

By thee have I been holden up from the womb: thou art he that took me out of my mother's bowels: my praise shall be continually of thee.

I am as a wonder unto many; but thou art my strong refuge.

Let my mouth be filled with thy praise and with thy honour all the day.

Cast me not off in the time of old age; forsake me not when my strength faileth.

God Bless.

Hi Bill,

That's another tough highly debated topic!

Thank God we are overcomers ( by the blood of Christ ). There is nothing we can take away from it and there's nothing we can add to it.

Often we just look at what we think to be the worst sins and single them out like murder ect.. So we don't carry those acts out, does that make us Perfect, Does that lift the old sin nature, Does that take care of sin where it generates before we carry out the act, which is in the HEART!

If it was up to us we all would loose our salvation. THANK GOD ITS NOT!

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, JUDE 1:24.

Let's take a look at Sardis and their condition.

Revelation 3:1.... I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

Some of those in Sardis is in a condition where they have a "name " they are live but they're dead. " Not all"

Man's righteousness is as filthy rags, the spotted garments can also mean your self righteousness, that fits Sardis.

Man is unable to clean himself or stay clean apart from the Holyspirit.

Revelation 3:4-5. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Jesus died for the Whole world, Some suggest that everyone is written in "this" book and their name will remain because they overcame by the blood of the Lamb.

Some only had a name that they liveth but are dead.

Psalms 69:28 (KJV) Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

If I may add my thoughts on salvation and "walking away," how can a true believer, one who has been born of God's Spirit walk away?

Once we are saved and sealed by God's Spirit, it is Satan who wants to take us away. He can't take our salvation from us because in order for him to do that, he would have to remove God's Spirit from within us, and he can't do that.

As was stated, God has promised that He will never leave us nor forsake us. If He never leaves, how can we leave?

If we walk away, guess what? He's still there inside us because He said He will never leave. A person who does leave was never saved to begin with.

1 John 2:19 says "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

This is one of the important verses of the bible. John is saying the spirit of antichrist has come into the world.

But there are people from our physical fellowship, our church that left us to go follow the spirit of antichrist, the false teachers, and the false teachings.

But, he says the reason why they left us is because they really were not one of us, because if they were one of us they would have remained with us.

John says don't worry about it because if the person belongs to Christ, they're not going anywhere.

If Christ is truly dwelling in a person's life, even if they did leave, it would not last long before His Spirit inside brings them back.

If we want to find out if we really belong to Christ, the best test would be to try and walk away. If you can stay away without any conviction, then His Spirit was never in you and you were never saved.

But I can tell you from experience, if His Spirit lives in you, you will not be able to stay away for long.

The conviction will always be there because He will never leave us nor forsake us, even if we "walk away" from Him.

That's a really packed verse and in its context a book in itself .

Thanks for your view .

To me it reveals how God the father is the source of everything Jesus was given , and Jesus proves the father true by his life . A remarkable testimony and I'm thankful to read this in the Bible .

Fearing God is a great answer... He can destroy Both! (soul & body)

God won't leave you if you follow Him, and following Him assumes you're being obedient, but if you turn your back on Him and follow the devil the Bible doesn't say you're saved. Salvation assumes you're doing your part and actually following Him. If you can show me a verse that says otherwise, please do. But I have a mountain of verses that support this, like: Matthew 7:21, Hebrews 10:26. 3 John 1:11 says if you do evil God doesn't even know you. John 14:15 Jesus says if you love Him you will keep His commandments, that means if you don't keep His commandments you don't love Him.

Most of the warnings Jesus gave was to His Christian followers, about being careful, being on watch, on guard, parables warn of most people going to hell and being prepared, Peter talked about running the race well to the finish to get the 'prize', etc. So, was all that useless talk? If everyone is automatically saved regardless of their actions does that mean all the parables and talk was irrelevant? Or, is it more likely Jesus was right, that your actions do matter, and that maybe some men need to adjust their expectations and begin to fear God like it says so many times: Matthew 10:28.

Most people will go to hell, and Jesus predicted that many will be surprised they're not going in, and cry out 'Lord, Lord'... You can't earn heaven, people are saved by grace, but this assumes you're a Christian- which is a verb that means following Christ and not sinning and being a light to the world through good deeds, because that's what Christians should do. It doesn't mean its impossible to sin, but Christians must avoid sin at all costs! Matthew 5:30 I think many who call themselves Christians will be shocked on judgment day and have deep regret for their actions and not taking Christianity seriously. God bless...

"Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee." John 17:7.

As you have read, this Scripture portion is Christ's prayer to God His Father (often called Jesus' High Priestly Prayer). This prayer shows His Glory (vv 1-5), His love for His disciples (vv 6-19), & love for all who would belong to Him (vv 20-26).

So we see this Jesus, Who enjoyed the Glory of God even before creation, now declares to His Father that He has faithfully brought God's Truths of Himself & the Kingdom of Heaven to His disciples. These disciples have "kept Thy Word' & do understand that all that He has declared to them have come from God. Jesus only spoke the words to His disciples that were given to Him by God and they received them & know for sure that Jesus came out of God (out of God's Being or Essence) & believe that God had sent Him to them & the world (v 8).

Therefore, to answer your question: the Word of God (i.e. Divinely inspired messages), the Power of God (i.e. seen in Jesus' miracles, power over the devil, etc.), & the Wisdom of God (i.e. to know how to live that God-ordered, God-centred life which far surpassed the erroneous teaching of the Jewish religious leaders), would be what Jesus received of the Father to share with His disciples. And these disciples were then to take all that they learned from their Master, to the world (v 18-23).

The Bible says that someone born again will not do that , they could stumble but not crucify Christ afresh by putting him to open shame .

My opinion is some people are seeking God but have a hard and bumpy path in and out of sin . But they are not born again either . But they should persist until they are , call upon the Lord for mercy til they get it . Then leave sin behind .

John 17.7

What did Jesus mean here ?

I feel like god is punishing me. I have cystic fibrosis I get get lot in infections in my lungs. I am be among very verbally abusive to husband, I have lot of anger my words are very hateful. I was not raise like this. But I do have issues towards men. He my husband is blessing. I know if I continue being this away our marriage will end. I pray to Lord Jesus it seems like I get even more angry. I do pray and talk to Lord Jesus. I do want to be and became a better christian wife. In honestly I do not know how to be wife. I do not cheat. I am 45 I believe woman place is in kitchen. Taking care of her husband children housework and all. Even though I do not have have children myself, this is my 3rd marriage he has 20 yr old daughter. I don't know what to do??????

Dear wild bill, If you can walk away etc. as you say, then perhaps you are believing with your head and not your heart. God will never leave you nor forsake you. He called you and saved you by his works, not yours. There is only one thing you can give God. Your love.

So, let's say... If I walk away from Christ and back to The World?/... You, are saying I can't have my name Blotted Out?/ if I commit suicide...You! say I'm still saved?/... or I leave Jesus's save hands and follow the devil saying no one can pluck them out of my hand? but I make the wrong choices and I'm a goner. So what's changed... Thank-You! for your (time)

Salvation must always be understood in context. In this dispensation we are chosen by God when we believe and trust in the faith, death and resurrection of Christ as sufficient for eternal salvation. We are made alive by the Holy Ghost given to us by God and made a part of the Body of Christ. We cannot be condemned eternally for sin since God counts us as having died and resurrected with Christ. The mystery of this gift is given to us freely and explained to us by revelation of God through Paul. See Romans 6 and 8 etc. This was not the case in other ages before the Holy Ghost was given to indwell believers. When one believes and trusts God today his name is and was written before the foundation of the world. Eph 1:3-14

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels..... .The question, once your name Is in the book of Life! or (does) my choices?/ and can my name be blotted... by them?/...then (we) need to think about this..., "once saved".., "always saved"... Jesus please will help Us..., when that (time) happens... I believe some will be called out by Jesus... and not who we think either...

Continuation,

We must stay humble before the Lord. Give our lives to Him and follow Jesus Christ as He is the only way to our Father.

I guess to end this post will be to "lukewarm" Christians. We are warned there is no middle road. It is one way or the other. Wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many go that way. Straight and narrow is the way to life and few that find it. You cannot serve two masters. You cannot drink of the cup of the Lord and the cup of devils. 1 Corinthians 10:21, Matthew 6:24. As this comes to Revelation 3:15-16. People who are walking the line are going to have to make a choice. I pray they make that choice today as no one knows when the Lord shall require our life. Or when our last day shall be.

Another question I would feel to ask a believer is "are you ready"? Do you love the Lord enough to give your life for Him? As in John 15:13-14, Jesus states there is no greater love than to lay down his life for His friend. Matthew 16:24-25. Love is not perfected yet if you are still afraid as in 1 John 4:18.

I will just leave some Scriptures for others. How we should focus on things above and not of this world. Live our life for the Lord to do the Will of our Father in Heaven. As all is conditional in that the closer you draw to Him the closer He will draw to you. God Bless you my brothers and sisters in the Lord.

Colossians 3:1-6, Colossians 3:13-17,

Matthew 16:27, 1 Peter 1:17,

Malachi 3:7, James 4:6-8,

Billy

Your post seems to be intentionally offensive, And is far from the truth.

That reply has no place here.

:This is a site where Iron sharpens Iron. Not a site where we cause strife and try to tare down the body of Christ.

Please consider.

Ears that hear, what day did the I AM that I AM begotten his son Jesus?

Revelation 3:14 ...... these things saith the Amen ( Revelation 1:8), the faithful and true witness ( Revelation 1:5), THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD.

May the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding