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To say that the Revelation is just a wrap to remind us that Jesus is coming back to establish the New Jerusalem, misses the mark a bit. read the 7 seals of revelations along with Mark 13 and Luke 21 and it's the same. It warns that before the real Christ retunrs, there will be a false one who will deceive the entire wrold (satan, the antichrist). Of the 7 churches only 2 were found without fault; their similatities? They new and taught of those wo claimed to be of Juda but did lie and were of the synagogues of satan (The kenites) ... but Revelations also tells us how this despensation will end... by peace, using the harmony of a false christ and a one world government system.

Revelation is the last book in the Bible and a "wrap up" written about 90AD. In my own opinion too many (preachers and churches) have developed a "Rapture" religion with their entire focus on Revelation and the 144,000. If one is not awed by the gospels and the resurrection then the remainder is not even fireside reading. The important message in Revelation (again i my opinion) it the admonition of the seven churches to avoid false doctrine (read Mark 8 and Matthew 17) and that Jesus Christ will return again in glory (Parousia) to establish the New Jerusalem. [many of the early believers thought Jesus would return BEFORE they died. Now John, the last, knew he was passing and bid the believers -- stay the course, keep the faith and Jesus will come in glory. Good advise.

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What I meant by the reference to Mark 4, is that although the word "revelation" means to reveal, If you take the book literally, you WILL fall into error. for example in 1 John 2:18 it reads that antichrist was ALREADY in the world. So either he's a 2000 year old man, or it's referring to the spirit of antichrist, a lying spirit who's sole purpose is to lead people into error through false doctrines. Daniel 12:9 says that the seals would be tsken off the book at the time of the end. Don't trust what you may have been taught in a church. Compare scripture with scripture. Seek GOD'S wisdom, not man's. See Proverbs 25:2

Good chance of rain. It may verywell start that way. 2 witnesses that God loves who were here are struck down dead, for teaching the true WORD of God and the Truth about the fake sitting on the Throne of God but its not Our LORD its sattan playing antichrist and there two dead bodies will lay there out in the open and all ( t.v.) world will see. If you turn away from being a part of satans system while your still in the flesh, you can be saved. In three and a half days they will rise up, that's 84 hours. I think, I see 8 and the 8 in Biblical Numerics is New Birth,New Creation or New Beginning and then there is the 4 Creation....World. on the return of Our LORD the LION I think, might turn very dark when two die that He loves and It take a very large cloud to make hail balls from 100 to 180 lbs to fall and flatten Jerusalem where antichrist sits and then a very bright light, For He is the Light. So, yeah, I think it will be a nice cloudy day, for them that waited for the true Christ. Stand on the correct ROCK and all who do will be fine.

the flow into chapters 2 and 3 should not be overlooked as the bible was written without chapter divisions. The introduction is a plain statement of who, exactly, is responsible for EVERY facet of our salvation. V 7 says He is coming with clouds.Do you think He's coming on a rainy day? Mark 4:34 says that "without a parable spoke he not unto them". With that in mind, we must understand that ANY revelation we receive from the bible will only come when we submit our will, our preconceived doctrines that we may have learned in a church, and our need to think we know, to the will of the most high GOD. He is the source of All truth.

Two Men sharing the Word
The non-believer said; What if you’re wrong about salvation? The believer answered; I would have nothing to loose. If you’re wrong you will suffer a great loss.
A woman was asked by a coworker, 'What is it like to be a Christian?'
The coworker replied, 'It is like being a pumpkin.' God picks you from the patch, brings you in, and washes all the dirt off of you.
Then He cuts off the top and scoops out all the yucky stuff. He removes the seeds of doubt, hate, and greed. Then He carves you a new smiling face and puts His light inside of you to shine for the entire world to see.

The Lords word in a barber shop
There was this Barber cutting his customers hair complaining about if there where a God we would not have any murders, stealing, robbing, abortions, hate, no crime what-so-ever. The Barber finished with his customers trim and the man left the shop, came back in about five minutes and said; I do not believe in Barbers. The Barber said what do you mean, I just cut your hair have a shop and a license on the wall, how can you not believe in Barbers! The customer said;I just seen people all over the street that are in need of hair cuts, trims and a shave how could their be Barbers? The Barber said "if they would only come and talk to me I will help them.

Luke 21:27
And then shall they see the Son of man COMING in a cloud with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:27
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the COMING of the Son of man be.

John 5:28
Marvel not at this: for the hour is COMING, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Mark 13:26
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.


Matt. 24:20-24
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
24 For there shall arise false Christ, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.


26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

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Klaus. Show me scriptures, where u deeply feel are inportant facts that plainly show u that your rapture is truth. I may be able to figure out what it is and give you my opinon on the page its located. G.Newman

I tell you the truth there is NO RAPTURE. I've read the Bible over 45 years. Went through the Letter From Our Father and can tell you, if its not in the Seals starting in Chapter. 6 the first seal to the 7th trump when we are all change in a twinkle of an eye, Its not in the Program.

The bible plainly teaches the rapture.

Jesus is not Playing

There will be two witneses that will be showing up 10 days before. They can do sign`s and wonders,they have power. They are from God and will be teaching against the false prophet that will be sitting on the throne saying he`s Jesus but is not. Its a total of 5 months or the hour of temptation, shorten for the elect, and for 30 minutes of that hour or two and a half months satan will be here defacto. he brings a locust army of priest, that's the breastplates of iron. O.k. its like this in Revelation 9 :1 satan falls to earth like a star. Scorpions have no stomach and they send fluids into their victims and suck it back in digesting them with there own fluid while making the victims backbone to mush. Its symbolism. Them that don't have the seal of God in their brain, the truth, will be deceived and become a victim of deception. The five months of torment,is 5 months shorten from 7 years spoken by Daniel for the Elects. The shape of locusts,horses,means power, they want to fight for your souls,them and satan think they can win. Not! They have fake crowns of gold and faces like men because they are men. Long hair like woman because they talk soft and sweet while teeth like lions cause they try to tare your soul away from you. Just a bunch of sissy preachers! In the old days our priest wore breastplates with 12 stones for the 12 tribes of Israel. That's the meaning of that.satan, anti-christ,instead of christ
will be supernatural and the world will chase after him. Don't do it! When you see the one world system begin and the money will change, you pay your rent up 3 months and your bills and buy food and don't buy or sell, don't nurse the system along,don't be a part or satan or his system. Just turn away and wait for the true Christ that you love. That first one taken is taken into hell so be a watch man for the LORD and stay. Listen to the two that God sends and when the Holy Spirit comes through the Elect in every tounge so all can understand it,listen to what God says through them. God loves all His children and wants us all back home. daniel 11:21 and thry chapter 11 tells you satan the vile one takes over with peace and flatteries and in 31 the daily sacrifice our communion stops because people think Jesus Christ is here. Makes Father mad! Study the word Father loves us.

Go to 2nd Thessalonians 2 and read the notes they may help.

Go to 2nd thessalonians 2 and read where Paul said, don't listen to that last letter, they were may of been misslead, but he tells us what will be on that day Christ returns in Chapter two and says that day will not come until there is a falling away first, meaning, people will be leaving their churches of God and joining a new religion, a one world religion, and the son of perdition, perdition means death, and people will be turning over their family members to death,or who they think is Jesus but is not but is instead of Christ which translating anti-christ is instead of Christ. Get away from the fly away doctrin,it will kill you.

There is no RAPTURE! God hates them that think they can fly to save their own soul. Ezekiel 13 :20 and on, read it. In First Thessalonians chapter 4 the subject in 4:13 is, where are the dead and Paul is telling us that the dead are with Christ in heaven gettin ready to return with Him first. In 16 Paul brings up the Seventh Trump and speaking of a twinkle of an eye where we are changed The word Air is spiritual bodies in and it translates a breath of life, a higher way of thinking and cloud is a pack of people,a crowd, same as he used in Hebrew 12:1. He used a lot of street Greek. No 6 and a half trump, Jesus is not coming down to save special people and leave His Elect to fight the war with there armour on and in place to fight the anti-christ which means translated, instead of Christ, who is the vile one spoken of by Daniel 11:21 who comes in peace and flatteries. Yeah, he`ll fly you away alright, right to hell. The LION returns at the 7th Trump with a rod of iron to thump them that wanted to fly with satan to save their souls. No chickens in Gods Army. Its not even in the word of God.

to: D.Colon1, regard with your question, God has a purpose for those will not be included in the taking or rapture, they will be reigned by our Lord Jesus and his many choosen Holy's for 1,000 yrs. and after that the great day of jugment shall come... Attn. to all may I invite you to log on our website at Link for any question with regard to bible matter, we have also have live streaming bible exposition wherein a lot of questions from different people haved answered.....see you there

D.colon1, Yes God has plans for those who will not be include on the what they call rapture, after the taking Jesus and his choosen holy will reign for 1000 years and after that is the jugment, if you want more info with regard on this matter you can visit our church website, we accept all kinds of question with regard to bible matter you can log to Link and its related sites.... hope to see you there God Bless....

When the rapture is occuring, does god or jesus have a purpose for those who stayed and/or for the people that are too late?

Luise_77's comment about verse 4
hey buddy, what are you talking about, the message to the SEVEN churches in Asia have nothing to do with the geographical locations. 7 in biblical numerics means spiritual completeness, the message was simbolically speaking to ALL churches of the world.

John Said:and ''from'' jesus Crist.these sentence, john got the massage ''from'' Jesus Crhist but some words having close parenteses (who is)(other is (and)meaning, John question, he was compare to those propets before what have thier done.But no one have done in the earth or any of those propets like jesus Crhist had done, he is the one who pay our sin by his blood,but if you remove the words with close parenteses (WHO IS)the right answer is jesus Crhist.....Next Again they parenrensis fro (AND)remove AND, he is the begotten of the Dead:Explaination:Jesus Crhist Actually he was not Dead he show it to his Apostle Thomas and he touch his hand and side of his ribs as a proves he was not Dead,And then Jesus Gave an order both of the believer to go in Galile,because before there is no television or radio station not just like before we watch it even the news is in the other places.So ok..he show it live to raise in heaven by the Sake of God.Who Act As a reporter before?the aswer is ..those apostle who attended they write whatever Crhist Do and become the Story As New testament call Holy Book not bible.All people as i believe they are not Dead they are only given as long sleep ,those our spirit are still on earth.nobody until now goin into heaven except jasus crhist ,because he has some asignmet given by god,he made and make ready the new paradise which is his promises to us.as written: unto him that love us.just like i told you,until now, Jesus he is the prince of the king of the earth.before God Given the throne as a king of kings.he fight to the devil who has control the Nation.So all of the tragedy from the nations are in order by god,to distroy the economy,Why Economy:because if the Nation is high Economy so the king can control the people and become materialistics if you are materialistic iether you forget the god.and you do anything what you wants, and your mind control by the devil to forget God.for how using electronics devices like computer,games,thief,hold up,to by your needs drugs,in high goverment they by nuclear,guns any types of arms,and becomes war.human mind controling by the devil just like now,it happen,the people are not thankful to god everyday until now we step in the land, but it is fire well Idont know...God They distroy Given Sign Some nation if the president or king only over acting for short only talking,listening after that nothing only collecting tax to the people ang eating what ever they want.meaning NO NOGOTS.

Sorry Mark you are not Alone I will Support you and i defend you if you are not compare jesus to God.Only one person in Earth Direct to talk with God this is Adam from THe other propet Like moises ,Abraham ETC Angel Michael Gebrail was talking Becuase Propet Adam In the paradise there is no sin even single sin All Angel Bow to Adam but after thatwhen he become A sin God there A gap to talk him.the people in earth are sinner So except Jesus like Adam.that why God did not talk directly to us.because God most clean.light.graceful and mercyful.but if you like to near in God believe All propets how wil you talk them ?by reading holy book.believe in all angels like Mechail Gebrail not to the bad angel.like San miguel Beer....Also Dont Believe in other religion your religion is your self and in your mind and your charch is your room the angel will guard you.and god they hear you....thats all....

Hi,mark can i interapped your comments:Christ is the name it is written in the holy book this is not the words:the word are given to all propet which is the word of God, the words of God is spread of All propets, through the people,all propet theyre wants to prove even Propet Jesus Christ prove have only one God but not is he, and we have one God.God is not belongs to trinity God is Alone no one God except God and who is our Creator.if jesus is the word and God.. meanig moises is the word and God Also .how about David? he is king and priest it also God?Please read:Rev1:5 (Please read it words by words it Clearly to undertand.So what you understand in that verse? who is the prince of the kings of the earth?. why they say that?the king only here in earth:Actually Until from Now on Jesus he is not the king. the king and priest of the Earth is King David According to Mateo 1:1 But if you believe Jesus has come back here in Earth, the trhone of David As A king and priest give to Jesus it is from God in heaven not God in Earth.So we have another Chance ,meaning, last Chance ok ?but dont be Afraid.SO As a king just like his Father David he fight all kings inthe Earth.But the Defference of David As a king he fight to the kings As conquire the nation to kill by sword and After that they priest As a word of God.But Jesus is the Conquiror of Earth,he fight all kings of the earth by word of GOD Rev 1:16 it is written: And out of his mouth went a sharp two edge Sword Meaning delivering the word of God,And those king who are believe his nation become as the sun shineth in his strength Rev 1:16 meaning peicefully.those Country, God count the people As one, So, it is Defend to your king if your King is not listen to the Word of God Delivering by jesus you Are not Save because There count to the faith is only one, Meaning:EQUal.So Jesus is Become president of king of the kings.If you Are not under law of Jesus this is you last chance hey... president and king behold take care your people....is is defend on you....After that we A new world order it came from GOD to Jesus To Us.....For Example President of one nation. he was Something Mistake totaly Provide war and not by words of God so what well happen?All people Are suffering from flood.huricane,bankraftcy,funishment made of whom?this is the question:So my Advice the best rifle or sword and more powerfull even in the middle of war is your tongue if you say sorry to your enemy you are the one strongest than to Propet Samson or strongest Country in the earth.

why given advice to john to the seven churches in asia?and why not to the europe? or middle east or Africa,the answer is.. God bless the Asia. because Asia are more perpect followers even thier religions are Christianism,hindunsm, muslims, budisms,judisms,bahai faith,protestan,comfuciansms and other.are totaly believes in God most of them are following to the rules of god,with piece.brother hood , respectful to the others even defferent religion with love and freedom, helpful,industriuos and patiance.and what ever the creation of God Showing at the sky they reach it and they love it,as a prove the most created of god it shown in the heaven or to the sky.And they show to all Nation handling thier flags .For examples the stars in heaven,the moon ,the sun .most of them are showing of the heaven.And from the beast:yuo see shown to thier flags. the sword meaning deadful or for killing or war.hammer and knife meaning communism,the lion or leopard the leophard are eathing meat even they are same animal it was not afraid to kill even the same species like in humanity they are not afraid to kill the people it make the wide way but you do not know it is trap after that you are in danger.the tress.it came make idolism and you pray for this is the god.those of this are materialism made in earth by mankind.So now I love Asia......

bless is he that readeth-yes some people they did not read the prophecy due to maybe blind,maybe different religion,maybe against to written,or either did not accept the truth of the bible or due to thier believe in accordance of thier doctrains.some of the topic is we will say excempted as per thier situations for examples blind people non educated they cannot read but he can hear.Actually the judgement is according as your reading defending if you are follow or not obeying the law of god ,but if you are reading and hear ,and see whatever happen this future,and God given you all sign from heaven .for example:killer typhons.tornado.melted snow.ozone and abnormal temperature at the earth ,religious war.killing of the humanity.war.earthquake.volcano eraption,flood,tidlewaves, adultery.and all belongs to ten commandment,are the sign of God coming in year up to years and more years, but until then still your eyes are blind and still deaf and all things are not heareth.of all of this you ignore it, well i dont know what did they call to you maybe stone,robot,or unbeliever.So keep this word according to the prophesy it will be your strong and rejoice to the lord what did they show it to us:Again for example in new years day the peoples celebrating it and youve done firing create high noise or by using trumpet or etc you rejoice .the birthday of god just like thats happen more sound,people crying people are dying anger came from heaven but make joy to the lord dont be afraid beacause we though we are trained already before it happen beacause you belive to thier signed...it is right?

GOd testified his word not a joke or not made by man it is came from him and testified by Jesus. To shows the word of God is true.for examples:In our future we will say it is true and we are lucky beacause we experience according to the words even if you are not experience according to the bible meaning the word of god is not true and the bible also is not true it is right?So onother examples they written more flood,fire,volcano eraption,tsunami or tidelwave.earthquake landslide,war,tyhon,tornado. in others written in ten commandments plus the last is asteroid dropping (stone)to the earth. also the others are nuclear weapons ,atomic weapons its part of stones .exacly must be joyful to us to the lord dont be afraid some believer until now they did not experience totaly as a christian they experience all of this items meaning the words from the bible is true.from the other holy book until now they did not see, they not hear,and they did not experience...So in the future what will happen meaning thier holy book are not true..

Revelation a type of news happed at the recent came from God or in heaven gaven to Jesus and sent to his Angel and recieved by John as his servant,and john sent to Jesus followers.Tottaly Jesus is also reciever not God.Why it must shortly? and it come to pass?:for example:in our future we have satillite + reciver+ signals + Televisions only split by the second we collect news.We bilieve god can do anything but it is limitated:why cannot directly send to John?because john is not under by spirit:other examples god create the biggest planet in universe it call the Sun. The Sun is 20 times bigger than to Earth,and made the whole universe:so how more than biggest the creator in to the planet and universe, thats why, God cannot step here directly in Earth he made all things together with seven spirit but limited.So he made like ladder to step by step going to the earth. it is common since if you made sand ball from beach pure sand and if you step this so what will happen ?it will distroy,God is a very very clean and light and we are sinner if he is step to the earth we are distroy totaly by made of fire. it is simple explaination in short cut way..

The Trinity is one the bible says in the begining it was God the word annd the holy spirit and the word was with God and then the bible says that Jesus is the word .So why cant you compare Jesus to God the only way to God is thru Jesus I belive God manifested himself in the form of flesh to show man that he is real.

peopole that hate need to wake up

can anybody tell why christians still makes the mistake of saying Jesus is God?. How can we compare him to God knowing fully well that Jesus himself knows his father has sent him to earth.If Jesus is God, it means God still has a father in heaven?.Common guys...whats going on here. there are also lots of reasons if you're interested.