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I love Revelation for it lets me know that great wonderful place he has waiting for me; and lets me know it's just about home time. Praise GOD.

@Mrs Sheeba,
Asia was the first region that was evangelized, Asia Minor mainly. So, it's quite understandable that most activity of the holy spirit at that time, would consist in the growth of the churches located in that region.
GOD bless you.

Seven candle sticks are seven churches and seven stars are the seven angels of these seven churches in Asia and what about the other continents. Why GOD is so particular about Asia only.

Short and simple symbolic hair white as snow like wool? A lamb for the slaughter for the sins of this world. All things described are symbolic, has nothing absolutely nothing to do with race. God sees no color he loves us as people, there will be no race in heaven, no marriage. Jew, white, black don’t matter. So are you forgiven? Are you his child?

God is about to reveal the future to John. God eplains to John what the candlesticks and stars means so we would better understand these terms as we travel through the book of revelation.

wonderful knowedge

God gave the book to Jesus who gave to John who gives it to the servants. We Christians to understand the Word. Chapter 12 is an outline that may help and chapter 17 helps with the teaching of symbolism of what this book tells us.

I agree with Grant in saying, WHO CARES WHAT RACE HE TECHNICALLY WAS AS HUMAN?!?!?! God isn't human, so comparing humans to him isn't a valid comparison. God is God. Who knows, he could have been any colour under the rainbow (he could have even been purple, it doesn't matter); we won't know, but we do know that we can trust in Him because He died so that we could live without our sins. That is ALL that matters...
Trent also pointed out that the Revelations are the dream-like visions of John given by God. So the description of Him is essentially figurative...

People! Does it matter if he was Black, White, Jewish, or Greek?? NO! It all boils down to is Jesus was GOD manifest in flesh. And all that matters is that he died for you and I. So we could stand befor him on judgement day unspotted, without blimish. If we accept his forgivness, and live out the life God has predestined for us.

To set the record straight: Jesus was a Jew. He was of Jewish race, and his skin color like any other Middle Eastern Jew, including today. So, if you're curious what skin color that is, it's probably not black and probably not totally white either. You can travel there today and see for yourself.

In Revelation, the vision was of the Son of Man having hair that was white as snow. It isn't logical to say that because his hair was white as snow and like wool then the only option is for him to be a black man with white hair. It also says in the same verse 14 that he eyes were as a flame of fire, does that mean he's a dragon too? Of course not, nor does it necessarily mean he's a black jew. And keep in mind Revelation involves heavenly dream-like visions- not necessarily the way things are seen on Earth, such as Jesus' appearance when he was here.

ok, in the 14&15 verses lets u know that Jesus Christ is a black man. "White like wool" black people have wooly hair. "Feet like brass as if they burned in an oven" brass is already a brown color so when it is burnt it will turn black, letting u know his feet r a very black. u got to explain the details those details were not mentioned,I wonder y? It is plain & simple crystal clear.

Let us look again at what Jesus says.

Verse 18: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus says, "ALL POWER is given unto ME in heaven and in earth. In verse 19 He says "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME" . *Not names* ..

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a CHILD is born, unto us a SON is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The MIGHTY GOD, The EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus says in Revelation 1:8

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the FIRST, and I am the LAST; AND BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD.

Jesus says in Revelation 1:11

1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the FIRST and the LAST:

1 Timothy 3:16
3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Jesus says in Luke 24:47 And that REPENTANCE and REMISSION OF SINS should be preached in HIS NAME AMONG ALL NATIONS, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

49 And, behold, I SEND THE PROMISE OF MY FATHER UPON YOU: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

As we go into the book of Acts we find almost immediately the promise being fulfilled. And let me clear this scripture up.

Ephesians 4:5 ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism,

6 ONE God and Father of ALL,

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is PREFERRED BEFORE ME: for HE WAS BEFORE ME.

Now back to Acts 1:5

Jesus says in Vs. 5 : For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost NOT MANY DAYS HENCE.

Acts 2:1 1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Read the rest of chapter 2 and how men mocked and said " these men are full of new whine" but Peter stood up with the eleven.

Acts 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

After you read through to vs 37 says the men were pricked in there hearts and asked what shall they do?!

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Peter tells them what Jesus told him to preach unto ALL nations.

Luke 24:47 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in HIS NAME among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the NAME of JESUS Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Personally i find the revelations quite interesting.i honsetly belive at one point the world will end. but no man shall know that day,but god

Love lots of these comments, very cogent and insightful--especially by those who love to Study God's Word. Also the innocent ones from the youngters are precious. The one from the Phd is the most far off. As an apostle said of that type of people they are "ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." A candlestick in Hebrew--and Jesus is the Hebrew God, and John is a Hebrew--is filled with finely beaten olive oil that burns. This candle is made out of metal to hold the oil. The Phd who made the comment above is beholden to a Western religious construct having no spiritual insight. Hebrews are semitic/oriental peoples: they are not "westernized" nor is the Judeo-Christian theology a western construct as some "over-learners" erroneously attest. (Hence the phrase "That's a lot of bees wax. Har har.)

Please notice the verses14-16.

<< His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength>>

the white hair is His pureness.
The eyes, John sees as fire, because he sees the spirit of distinction in them. His feet show strength in holiness,and the water is His Blessings, more water,deeper water means more blessings.the two edged sword coming out of his mouth is the Word, which comes into the heart of the believer, to fight against any devilish power.
In Him we should trust because in Him is all the Power and the Glory

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If man believes the existance of the Devil, then they must believe God the father,God the Son,God the Holy Spirit.The Devil is yes a fallen Angel(a Serpant. God created the Devil for how could we see how good GOd is if nothing bad ever happened ? we would be robots (worshiping God)God is king of kings ,right ? well the devil is a Prince. God can never die so the devil is the eternal Prince. He is powerless beyond earth itself.The devil can only a act on free will. Yes we are cursed upon sin,born again though the body of christ we sin less and less.Deception is simple for evil doesnt have to look bad to be bad, you can be blessed by the devil. Anyone or anything that challenges your faith is the devil. It can be an attractive woman who is pleasant to the eye and seems like she is of good doings,but is she doesnt credit God and boasts then she is the devil ,Atheus no belief. or The devil can be a pleasant man that seems nice but can do the same. Example you're struggling,don't attend church because you have no transportation. You ask God for a vehicle and promise to go to church. Say you gain a larger income thats cxonsistant and do recieve a vehicle and procrastinate and still never attend church. ANything that keeps you from God and challenges your commitment may be the devil. It seems good but you're really blinded. You contenuie to recieve so called "blessings",setting you're faith of God on the back burner. If you financially depend on someone or depend on everyone but God ,you have a tendency to loose your faith. Why do you think millionaires commit suicide?Money can come close but can't exactly buy happiness. It just trade to get what we want. With the Bible you'll never thirst or hunger. Also no one knows what physical form jesus will return in so its important to treat people nice not think negative for jesus may live in the body of a homeless person, a political leader,a new neighbor and elderly person anyone. You may even incounter him face to face and not know it. Tried to live as holy as possible
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i think that what is happening in 2012 is that the bible is being reviled to everyone on earth in plain true.

Revelation is technically not a book, but a journey through the Mind of God. The word means: to reveal or disclosed hidden things. Within John's visions are details we must understand, as such we study by researching, then, through study and research, we become illuminated to the things revealed. Note that some of the prophecies John saw more than 2000 years ago, are yet to be fulfilled because the time has not yet come. However, they will come to pass because God's words are true.

I beleive god produce another jesus and he is back for people thats doing wrong on earth and demons to kill anything in his way.lord of lord and kings of kings.people already saw miracles of him.food, blessings,die for people sins,bring back the dead 2nd chance.all demons shall die thats on this earth. hell shall crack into a lake and burn or he shall fight all of them himself casue god dont need a army of angles to kill them.he the begin and the end.

That's right Jeff! Revelation 1:8 says - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the *Almighty*. Jesus spake this.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. -v,14- And *the Word was made flesh*, and dwelt among us*, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Whoever you are ~ 123 ~ let me give you some knowledge. John 3:16 says For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him *SHOULD* not perish, but have everlasting life.

It does NOT say that you SHALL be saved! I bought an ozarka water the other day and it said on the back of it, " this item SHOULD not be sold individually." well i bought it by its self. So, maybe it wasn't meant to be sold individually but it was. Same goes with the scripture. Yeah if you believe that Jesus is god and you believe this,

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, -6- One God and Father of all,

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we MUST be saved.

If you think there is three gods you are sorely mistaken. There's not two nor five. Only ONE !

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The Past The Present and The Future

RE:Ralph L. Gosselin's Comment's concerning candlesticks, Lamps and Sacred Oil. Yes you are correct about the sacred, but that is it. Candle have been around about as long as eating animal flesh. The fat was rendered down into candles which acted like wax. But also, Bee's wax was used and pre-dates the time frame in which John (The Revelator) wrote of his account. Sorry to burst your bubble, but research it. You claimed that it should be the inerrant word of God then, you must believe that it was indeed a candle.

"he sent and signified it by his Angel". Why does everyone ignore this and then assume that the figure whom John see's is Jesus? From the plain text it seems that The Father gave the revelation to Jesus, who then relays it to John via his Angel. So when he says "I" he is not speaking of himself, but of God.
And the figure that is described is the angel, not Jesus. Can anyone explain this to me?

Identifying the serpent is key. The same serpent that tricked Eve in the garden of Eden is the same one who's tail will sweep a third of the starts out of the sky. Pluto, in another mythology, gave Persephone a pomegranate which she choked on. The "new heaven and new earth" seems to be created by this collision. I'm even going to go so far as to say that it was encoded into the Disney's Hercules. Hades/Pluto says he's going to rearrange the cosmos and the one idiot who can get in the way is running around in the woods. The flames around the cartoon character grow and if you pause it, you can see that they spell "Jesus." In Revelations Jesus or "The Son of Man" is amidst the Lion, Ox, and Eagle. The four living creatures are the four fixed signs. Leo, Taurus, Scorpio, Aquarius. Therefore, Hecules/Jesus is the 4th fixed sign Aquarius which is ruled by Uranus. If you read into it, you will find that Uranus might possibly collie with Pluto.
The cartoon made in 1997 states "in 18 years, precisely, the planets align very nicely... a word of caution to this tale, should Hercules fight, you (pluto/hades) will fail." 1997 + 18 = 2015. Beauty and The Beast does this, too. 1991. "The rose she had offered was truly and enchanted rose which would bloom until his 21st year." 1991 + 21 = 2012 The rose is a symbol of Venus because the bud opens to form a five pointed star. Venus has an elliptical orbit which causes her to cross the sun. She does this in 2012. The four horseman in Revelations are Death, Scorpio. Scales, Libra. Bow, Sagittarius. Sword Aries.
"The last days" are the Age of Pisces.

Like all of Revelations we need to read more often and take heed lest we find ourselves not ready.

Studying history, one can only notice that throughout history religious men have percieved the apocalypse in their own time from Revs 1:1.Reading canon histories from across medieval europe they are all cirtain they live in the end of days. I personally deem 2000 years not a short period of time. Is this not more apt for creationist followers of the bible who see the world as 4000 years old. Could this be wrong? Or was the biblical perception of time different to modern social norms?


Or is it as it always is when a religious person is wrong, a metphor and not real?

Let me tell you something .. Jehovah was used for the Old testament .. We live in the New Testament now and do you find Jehovah in the New Testament. Jehovah was just another name for God .. Do you find them using Jehovahs name to cast out devils in the Old Testament ? NO ! Revelation 1:8 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. ~ Jesus said this .. We are reading from Isaiah are we not ? Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, *The mighty God*, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Hey for Ian Wilson and the ones who "think" the name of the almighty should be Jehovah read this. 18 Let no man deceive himself.
1 Corinthians 3:18 If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
Here is a little more Scripture for you .
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

John 1:1 Tells us that "The Word was god" in John 1:14 it says "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us ! " then it talks about how we beheld his "glory" .. let me add this .. In Isaiah (which is the Old Testament) 42:8 , It says " i am the Lord: that is my name: and my 'glory' will i not give to another ~ and in 1 Corinthians 2:8 is says " which none of the princes of this world knew: for had that known it, they would not have crucified the 'Lord of glory'. They would not have crucified Jesus if they knew that he was god wrapped in flesh! Let me add 1 Timothy 3:16 .. "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit,soon of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world,received up into *glory* " !!

Exodus 3:14 - And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that *I AM HE*, ye shall die in your sins.

* Act 2:38* Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of *Jesus Christ* for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism.
I'll give scriptures to show the Oneness of God.
Isaiah 9:6 - Revelation 1:8 ( Jesus spake this ) Isaiah 44:6 - Isaiah 44:8. Isaiah 42:8 - 1 Corinthians 2:8 .. And to end this with no argument whatsoever .. John 1:1 - John 1:14 - * 1 Timothy 3:16 * - The only way of receiving Salvation is through Acts 2:38 !! Jesus Is GOD !

Don't waste your time speculating as to where, when and how he will return. He has already told us to "Work as if you had a thousand years to go and live as if He is coming today". Take care of what He has given you and thank Him for what he has in store for you. Faith is a difficult thing to aquire, but it is what will bring us through the struggles we have to face. Just keep in mind His words of caution, "We struggle not against flesh and blood, but powers and principalities in high places". It's not our war to win, but we will be part of the army that wins the final battle. "Rejoice your redemption drawth neigh" Keep America a Christian Nation and He will reward you.

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