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Brother Chris, the following might help us all to really know who our God is. As Christians, we all believe in God, but at one time or another, we were also exposed to the preaching of false teachers.

JESUS is LORD, God with biblical proofs, no Trinity

Old Testament Prophesy of Isaiah is very important, as his prophecy was fulfilled in the New Testament and revealed the name of God, whose name was kept secret in the Old Testament:

Isaiah 44:6 6Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

New Testament Prophet Isaiah prophecy fulfilled.

Matthew 1:24 Context 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Apostle John in Revelation

Revelation 1:8 - 9 8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 9I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 22:13 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 1:17 - 18 17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Yes. I think it's the music played that matters more.

Is instruments ok in church

Anne, may the Spirit grace you with his understanding;

Hebrews 11 is a testament about the old testament saints; but pay close attention to verses 39 and 40.

Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all (old testament saints), having obtained a good report through (the work of the Spirit of Christ or the Holy Ghost which is) faith, received not the promise (eternal life, incorruption, immortality):

(vs) 40 God (Spirit) having provided some better thing for us (children of the resurrection), that they (old testament saints) without us (children or the resurrection) should not be made perfect (complete in the Spirit of Christ or the Holy Ghost who only hath immortality 1 timothy 6:16).

John 11:25 ..... I am the resurrection......

Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us ( old testament saints, children or the resurrection and Christ) up together......

Revelation 20:5 .... this is the first resurrection....

Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many of the bodies of the (old testaments) saints which slept (died waiting for the promise) arose,

(vs) 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city (new Jerusalem)......

Revelation 7:1-4 (vs) 3 ......till we (Spirit) have sealed our servants (old testament) saints in their foreheads (given them the mind of Christ)......

Revelation 14:4 .......these (old testament saints) were redeemed from among men, being the FIRST FRUITS unto God.....

Revelation 1:3 .... for the time is at hand...

May the Spirit grace you with his wisdom.

What does this have to do with God's Word, if people would rise up and believe and walk in love mankind wouldn't have problems but because people choose by freedom of Will not to believe we do. Mankind will never get together that's why we were given a Saviour

Ditto what Chris said about racial remarks, and I've been here for years. Examples please, because "everyone on here" would include me, and that isn't so.

What you have said is very worrying. I've been on this Site for several months now & have yet to read of someone denigrating someone because of race. Certainly, both we & the moderators of this Site would not let that type of remark pass without due warning & condemnation. It would be good if you gave some examples of what is disturbing you, as I certainly can't recall any.

Everyone on here worried about the race of someone who was, supposedly, ALL LOVING AND ALL CARING is absolutely disgusting. Jesus loved all, not only those of a certain race. Y'all tripping, it's pathetic how, no matter what, we can never come together. Black people, White people, Asian, Hispanic, Native... Inuit... It doesn't matter, we all bleed red. If we came together as one then real change would come about, but nope... Y'all steady set with these rich masters dictating how y'all feel, who you dislike, who you trust... Divide and conquer, if we stay divided no change will ever come about, just like they want.

The use of the word unicorn is incorrect. And this isn't the only location in Scripture where a unicorn has been supernaturally embedded in Scripture in the King James version. Numbers 24:8, Job 39:9-10, Psalms 29:6, Psalms 92:10. Another example would be in the book of Revelation chapter 1. The word candlestick has replaced lampstand in 4 locations. Revelation 1:12-13 and twice again in verse 20.



"Unicorn" occurs 6 times in 6 verses in the KJV, including 6 exact phrases shown first.

Num 23:22

God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

Num 24:8

God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

Box Job 39:9

Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

Job 39:10

Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Psa 29:6

He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

Psa 92:10

But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.

so what is going on?

The Seven Stars on the alter are the Seven Mighty ELOHIM !

where does it say about the Vaccinations in the book of Revelations

Hades in Greek, or Sheol in Hebrew, is generally defined in these three ways:

a. the Grave. A place of bodily rest & decay. Acts 2:29-31.

b. a place of punishment for the wicked. Luke 16:20-23; Matthew 11:23.

c. a temporary place for the righteous dead. Luke 16:23-26. The Luke account seems to indicate that hades had two areas separating the righteous from the wicked in death. But after Jesus' death & resurrection, the righteous are no longer held there, being justified by faith, for which the Cross provided the means now which they didn't have before Christ's death.

Hades will always oppose Christ's Church ( Matthew 16:18); it must be distinguished from being just synonymous with death ( Revelation 6:8); it will one day be destroyed ( Revelation 20:13,14); Jesus has the 'keys' to it ( Revelation 1:18); & it is remains now only a temporary place of the unbelieving dead, as the Apostle Paul believed that Hades would not be his destiny, but Heaven ( 2 Corinthians 5:8).

Hopeful, may the Spirit grace you with his (spiritual) knowledge and his (spiritual) wisdom.

John 6:63 ....... the words that I ( 1 Peter 1:11,the Spirit of Christ or 1 Peter 1:21,the Holy Ghost or 2 Samuel 23:1-2, the Spirit of the Lord or Revelation 19:10,the words of Jesus) speak unto you, they (words) are spirit, and they (words) are life.

The day of the Lord is prophecy about a spiritual day; but, a day in spiritual time is not necessarily a day in natural time ( 2 Peter 3:8).

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterwards (after the day of the Lord), that I (Spirit) will will pour my spirit upon all flesh......

Since the Spirit (Holy Ghost) was poured out on all mankind at pentecost; therefore, the day of the Lord begin at pentecost and is continuing to this day 2000 years later in natural time; but, only one day in spiritual time.

Second witness:

Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon (symbolic of Christ)..... Psalm 89:35-36 And it (the throne of Christ, from the proceeding verse) shall be established forever as the moon, and as a FAITHFUL WITNESS in heaven...... Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the FAITHFUL WITNESS.......into blood before the terrible (wonderful) day of the Lord (pentecost) come.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he (the Lamb) had opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth hair, and the moon (symbolic of Christ) became as blood.....

Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

Matthew 27:51 ........and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent.

John 19:34 ...and forthwith came there blood and water.

Revelation 8:1 And when he (the Lamb) had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half hour (spiritual time not natural time)

This time was the time between Christ resurrection and the day of the Lord (pentecost)

Daniel 12:11-12 45 days between vs 11 and 12

No comments, but would wish to know more

I apologize as I was following past conflicts into modern day conflicts. It has more continuity when you follow Edom.

I recently did a study on Abrahams family and did see the rest of Hagars story. She returned to her family's land and never married.

Abraham did wed again after Sarah's death.

You might want to consider that the majority of the vision has been completed during the time of the people to whom it was written ie. the seven churches of Asia.

The candlesticks are the seven churches named in vs. 11

I fully agree that this war has been going on for millenniums and that the animosity comes from the division between Esau and Jacob. However, I beg to differ in the case of Ishmael. Hagar was not a Palestinian. She was an Egyptian, probably acquired during Abraham and Sarahs' journey into that country previously. Also if you will check history, there was no such place as 'Palestine' at that time in history. Current day 'Palestine' was a part of Canaan and did not exist until modern day. Oh, Rome, after destroying the Holy City, named the area Capitolinia Phalistinia after the Philistine enemies of the Israelites. Ishmael had twelve sons who became Princes/Sheiks/Priests in what now is known as Persia/Iran. The present population of this area does not claim to be Arab. However, they are Muslim in religion. Thus enemies of modern Israel/Jewry.

the entity in the midst of the candlesticks is a metaphorical rendering of the glory, power and magnificence of Christ.

This is a vision showing the Power and Glory of Christ metaphorically. Remember, this is the 'revealing' of Jesus Christ to the churches of Asia.

It is my understanding that John was being told to write down the vision and send it to the churches that existed at that time as a "Revelation" of Jesus Christ. A revealing of him just as he had revealed his Father while he was among them.

what are you asking about - is this real?

If you are referring to the 7 churches; yes they were real assemblies of people during the time of what is referred to as the "Early Church"

The seven churches of Asia were seven churches planted by Paul during his journeys among the Gentiles.

what are the seven churches which are in Asia

Hi Rodney, I did post a reply to your similar request yesterday. Maybe you haven't seen it, or you might be looking for further comment from others. I do hope you get other views to help you with your enquiry.

Rather, than repeat what I wrote earlier, I would add here: that the early Church may have picked the First Day of the Week as the day to come together to worship the Lord in remembrance of their Saviour's resurrection on that day, as well as a show of further segregation from the Jewish Law. Of course, the Sabbath was being adhered to by the Jews, & indeed by Paul in his ministry to them (as in Acts 17:2). But it appears that believers no longer observed the Sabbath for worship (maybe it was still a day of rest though), but they came together on the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7), now being referred to as the Lord's Day ( Revelation 1:10).

In ministry in Pakistan, Friday is the Muslim's rest day & for a more dedicated worship & preaching in the mosque. As Christians, we had to fall in line with this day & so our corporate worship time in a Church Fellowship fell on a Friday. Some Churches still held a Sunday service, though that was not well attended, as most were required to work. So, any day that is selected can be used as a corporate day of worship, seeing that for the Christian, every day is alike to come before the Lord; but as ordered by the Lord, one day in the week still needs to be set aside as rest, for the health & recuperation of the mind & body. So I find it strange that an insistence for a Christian having to observe a Saturday Sabbath as necessary, as the Jews do, when that is not only meaningless for us but also demonstrates one placing himself back under the Law. I also wonder how well that believer observes the Sabbath: does he refrain from buying, or working in the garden, or dealing with an urgent repair job at home?

To your other question on observing the correct day of rest from the days of Adam & Eve, I wrote about this earlier.

My understanding: the Sabbath was created as a day of rest for Israel ( Exodus 31:12-17), just as the Lord rested from His creative Work. This fourth commandment was blessed by God & sanctified (made holy) long before He gave it as a direct commandment to the children of Israel. It was a day of complete rest (cessation from the activity that occupied the other six days) & a day devoted to God. The other important sign given to Israel to set them apart from all other nations, was the act of circumcision. Both were for Israel only.

From the time of Israel's exodus out of Egypt, they learned which day was the actual Sabbath: Exodus 16:25-27, when they found no manna on the ground on that day. Ever since then, the count was on: 6 days work - 1 day rest, right up to the time of Jesus when He observed the same Sabbath, indeed He did 'work' in it, saying that the Sabbath was created for man & not the other way around.

So the Sabbath was a specific day of rest for the Jews. And it could fall on that day as well, or any other day, for non-Jews. The important point was that man took the day off to cease from his labours for both physical & spiritual recuperation. Where this observance becomes a problem for Christians, is the compulsion by some that we too are bound to a Jewish Saturday Sabbath, & by extension, full obedience to the Law, which none could keep. This Law was not a sign to Christians but to the Jew who was under the Law. Hear what Paul says pertaining to the Law & the Christian: Romans 3:19-22; Galatians 3:21-25; Galatians 4:21-26; Galatians 5:16-18.

If the Christian then sets aside Sunday, the Lord's Day ( Revelation 1:10) as a day of rest & worship, he fulfils the need for both. If he chooses any other day as a rest day, does it matter to the Lord? Colossians 2:16,17. If one believes that the keeping of the Sabbath does matter to the Lord, then he shows a misunderstanding of the Law engraven in stones & the Law of the Life-giving Spirit ( Romans 8:2).

Trials and tribulations is what we go through here and now, when we stand for christ, if we stand for him and his word, its persecution, read what jesus tells his desciples in john 15:18-20. now if you are refering to the tribulation period, we are not in that yet.

where are we in the trials n tribulations? what chapters relate to us in the now?

Revelation 1:18: "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

To hold the keys to something indicates one's power & authority over it. As an important person may be given the keys to a city, or one has the keys to the home or car, demonstrates the authority, responsibility & trust that is also goes with it.

Of Jesus Who said that He had the "keys of hell & death", likewise shows that he has the authority to lock away for eternity in hell those who are the enemies of the Almighty, as much as he has also given all those who have come to Him in faith for salvation, victory over the sting of death & the grave ( 1 Corinthians 15:55). As Christ was victor over sin & death, all who have put their trust in Him will also enjoy His Power to live for Him on Earth & be raised in victory over death.

Comments by Alex about the Transfiguration on the mount the 7 th day . His raiment was Glorious ,White as Snow tho your SINS be as Scarlet they shall be white as Snow, his raiment is the Church he was presenting to God a GLORIOUS CHURCH without spot or wrinkle which was his Raiment his Garments , I was naked and you clothed me we are his Raiments ,AS REV. SAYS HE WAS CLOTHED with a Vesture dipped in blood, thats the Church US sinners that is made white by the blood of the lamb ,There is no fuller on this earth that can Whiten us like his blood, tho your sins be as scarlet they shall be white as snow. His raiments were Glorious and his face shown like the Sun ,He was presenting to God a glorious Church without spot or wrinkle. Remember Peter spoke of the Transfiguration on the mount saying he was gonna present to GOD a Glorious CHURCH WITHOUT SPOT OR WRINKLE OR ANY SUCH THING. not having any such blemish. Thats us the Church . Unto him that has loved us and has washed us from our sins in his own blood . Abide in me and i in you implies we are his Raiments . I was in need of garments and you clothed me. When his face shown like the SUN means we the Church that are gonna be the light of the WORLD, ABIDE IN ME AND I IN YOU. They spoke of his decease and what he wd accomplish at Jerusalem at the CROSS ,Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the WORLD. IF I BE LIFTED UP I WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME. there is no fuller on this earth that can whiten us like his blood , his Glorious Raiments are the CHURCH. US SINNERS NOT HAVING SPOT OR WRINKLE. Mercy there was great and grace was free ,pardon there was multiplied to me, there my soul found liberty at CALVARY. GBU