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Hi Christine Daves ,please dont think me rude ,im guessing that you havent read the Bible or you wouldnt need to ask this question ,the answer is no ,its not ok ,definately not ok under any circumstances ,no astrolgy or tarot or so called psychics ,mediums or any kind of stupidstitions ,not ever . Please ,enjoy your Bible ,you wont need to read it for very long before you will get conformation of my answer from it . May God bless you and bring you closer to Him .

Dahg,

Thank you so much for pointing that out. I know very little Hebrew so I did learn some as I did a little research on the Hebrew meaning of Har. As you mentioned, it does refer to either a mountain or a hill, not a valley. I also understand that the battle of Armageddon will take place in the valley of Meggido. Surrounding this valley is a group of small hills. Many OT battles took place in this same valley.

I would be interested in you sharing more on this if you wish to. Mainly, is there an actual mountain called Mt. Megiddo?

Thanks again for the clarification!

Begging your pardon, the Hebrew word Har means mountain, not valley. The word for valley is 'Emek' as in Emek Refaim where David defeated the Philistines

"for in the day thou eatest thereof thereof thou shall surely die" Genesis 2:16-17

"by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men" Romans 5:12

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?..." 1 Corinthians 6:9

"But your iniquities have separated between you and you God" Isaiah 59:2

"the wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die" Ezekiel 18:4

"shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" Revelation 21:8

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" Revelation 20:14-15

"For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16

"And all things are lf God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ...To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them" 2 Corinthians 5:18-19

"Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" John 1:17

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8

"But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ" Ephesians 2:13

"and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Revelation 1:5

"the veil of the temple was rent in twain from top to bottom" Matthew 27:51

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace" Ephesians 1:7

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature" Colossians 1:14-15

"But God commendeth his love towards us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8

"And of his fulness have all received, and grace for grace" John 1:16

Judas iscarot is the son of Simon,is that simon peter,the apostle? john 6 71

Ears that hear, what day did the I AM that I AM begotten his son Jesus?

Revelation 3:14 ...... these things saith the Amen ( Revelation 1:8), the faithful and true witness ( Revelation 1:5), THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD.

May the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding

"took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men" Philippians 2:7

"his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh" Romans 8:3

"The first man Adam is of the earth, earthy: the second man Jesus is the Lord from heaven" 1 Corinthians 15:47

"He can not deny himself" 2 Timothy 2:13

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and forever" Hebrews 13:8

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world: but that the world through him might be saved" John 3:17

"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acception, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15

"For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost" Luke 19:10

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" Acts 4:12

"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This signifying what death he should die" John 12:32-33

John Chapter 19- whole chapter

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins" Ephesians 1:7

"Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Revelation 1:5

"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver or gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" 1 Peter 1:18-19

"And he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" 1 John 2:2

"Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it" Acts 2:24

1 Corinthians Chapter 15 whole chapter

What is the motive for this campaign to discredit Jesus's divinity? Why do you celebrate when you feel you have delivered your case? Does this actually come from God, or does it actually come from the great deceiver?

Some of these comments even have a sense of pride- as if demeaning Jesus is an accomplishment to be proud of. Whomever is behind this campaign seems quite closed off to just normal, non-distorted interpreations of the Word.

Shame on you and everyone who is attacking and trying to discredit the Bible and demean Jesus. I find these posts disturbing and even sickening to think that Christians are giving into a lie so easily without question. But the truth will always expose the lie. Jesus is Lord and Jesus is divine and Jesus is the Son and Jesus is one with the Father and Holy Spirit, Jesus is the I AM, Jesus is God just as the Bible says.

Isaiah 44:6

John 20:27-28

John 10:30

John 5:18

John 1:18

Colossians 2:9-10

John 10:33

John 1:1

John 1:14

1 Corinthians 8:6

Revelation 1:17-18

Acts 7:59-60

Matthew 28:19

2 Peter 1:1

Acts 20:28

1 John 5:7

No worries, Carleton,

Please don't feel obligated to write more. I'm happy with whatever you send me. Sometimes I write too much. It's always great to hear from you.

Just another little something I can share with you. I like to say faith "of" Jesus Christ instead of faith "in." I believe there is a difference.

Hello Brother Jesse, Thank you! I feel that I would like to give you more time and write more. Perhaps later or tomorrow.

God willing. Also glad that we know of each other in the Faith in Jesus Christ!

Carleton

Carleton,

Separation of a church member who is involved in sin and refused to repent is a must because the bible teaches that a little leaven leavens the whole lump. But as you say, it's for the person's own good. It should never be used as punishment.

As far as knowing verses far better than you, I am not comfortable agreeing with that. Only the Lord knows. And besides that my dear brother, it doesn't matter because the same Spirit that lives in me lives in you. We have to thank the Lord for whatever understanding He gives us. For me, there's so much of His word I still don't know or understand. I thank the Lord for what he gives me, and I also thank Him for the things that I don't understand.

I used to get frustrated when I would read a section of scripture over and over again and still not understand it. But not anymore because I know that when I don't get it, it's because He knows I'm not ready for it. And that's why I thank Him for that also. I pray for understanding, but I know it has to come from Him. I'm careful about asking for wisdom because I know what that word wisdom in the bible is making reference to, and it's not what we think!

I do agree that Satan has dominion in this world. I recall where Satan offered to give Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if He would bow down and worship him. Jesus never said they are not yours to give.



I suppose you are referring to the book of Revelation when you speak of the warnings of the end times? There is a blessing there. In fact, the book of Revelation is the only book in the entire bible that promises a blessing to those who read it. Reading it over and over again could really bless us.

Happy to hear of the encouragement sent to you from Oregon!

Good evening Jesse, I support what you wrote mostly. I am a strong believer in the Church of God including separation of offending members for their own good and to keep the Church pure. You know the verses far better than I. There is a blessing in all Christians heeding to the warnings of the end times and reminding others by love that they have an ally to the flesh that is not their friend. We understand him to be Satan who has dominion in this world, but we are not of this world by our faith in Jesus Christ our Lord, that we live in Him. We love Him, because he first loved us so much that he died in our behalf.

On another note, the other Jesse a state north and his wife and daughter sent a nice note (received today) of Christian encouragement to stay True.

God bless your meditations in the Lord.

Carleton

Hello there Carleton,

I tend to agree. Satan constantly pursues and chases us (DIOKO) around in order to keep us distracted from the things of the Lord. He can't steal us away from Christ because in order to do that, he would have to penetrate God's Spirit in us, and he can't do that. But he can keep our minds occupied (MERIMNA) with the physical things of this world.

Once we are saved, the battle that takes place is for our mind. We are to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and Satan does everything in his power to keep us from growing.

Paul fought for the believer's mind. 2 Corinthians 10:4-6 is one of my favorite pieces of scripture, especially Verse 5 which says "For pulling down reasonings and every high thing exalting itself against the knowledge of God and taking captive every thought into the obedience of Christ;

Even though we are constantly being chased, we are to resist. Don't even run. We don't have to fight Satan because he's already been defeated. So don't even run. The psalmist wrote in Psalm 46:10, "Be still and know that I am God!" Satan can chase us, he can attack our flesh, but he cannot touch our soul which has been sealed by God's Spirit.

Hi Sacha If there's nothing wrong with you holding on with what you believe in it shouldn't bother you if others feel the same way! Listening to your recent posts you're critical on people debating their differences but you join the debate and you presents yourself the same way in this Post when you say I'm quoting you. "you know it's nasty", and "you know it sounds spiteful," You've said before you "struggle"with Loving the brethern, it was something you have to work on", You've said "you slip out a curse word every now and then", end quote. No one is perfect, our flesh provokes us to do these things, but it's something the Spirit convict us of, ""ITS NOT A TESTIMONY " No one has defeated the flesh. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. Romans 8:11-12. That same Spirit teaches us all things, Including patience and Longsuffering, And he opens our eyes to the Scriptures. And he causes us to Love the brethren, "We are to hold one another accountable to provide truth in the scripture"

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for instruction in righteousness: Iron sharpens Iron! No one should get upset over the truth! We grow by the "Sincere" milk of the word.

We preach the cross and the cross means nothing if we don't believe in who the Lord say he is,

Revelation 1:8 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY. We're not ashamed of that!

The cross is an offense to those who don't believe!!

I Pray you examine yourself, May the Lord be with you.

Hello Jesse, I am a lot more ready to state that right now Satan is trying to steal and kill lambs that belong to Jesus and to prevent their witness from appearing as true. The other stuff I am not very sure about.

Carleton

Gunner,

This battle will take place in the Valley of Megiddo. It's HAR-MEGIDDON. HAR is valley. The Valley of Megiddo is what Armageddon means.

And we see that in Zechariah 14:2-3, and Ezekiel Chapters 38 and 39. It talks about this battle known as Armageddon or the valley of Megiddo.

Right now, Satan going through all this trouble to bring about a one-world government, one-world religious system, and one world economic system.

It's so he can unify everybody under his control so that at the second coming of Christ, he will be in control of them to get them over to the valley of Megiddo and fight against the Lord at His second coming.

This is a very brief, but simple explanation, as you asked.

I hope this answers your question.

I was wondering if I could get a simple explanation of the Battle of Armageddon?

John 17:5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

When he was returned to his Glory he addresses his self the way he did in the old testament.

Isaiah 9:6(KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, (((THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE PRINCE OF PEACE ))).

Can someone tell me why is the SON called the everlasting FATHER inIsaiah 9:6??

Look at the opening of Revelation 1:1.

( The Revelation of Jesus Christ.)

""The unveiling "" The climatic declaration of who he is.

Look how he declares himself to John.

Revelation 1:8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, ((THE ALMIGHTY!!))

Here is how Almighty is defined in Revelation:

Greek:

Transliteration: pantokratr

Pronunciation: pan-tok-rat'-ore

Definition: From G3956 and G2904; the all ruling that is God (as absolute and universal sovereign): - Almighty Omnipotent.

KJV Usage: Almighty(9x), omnipotent(1x).

Occurs: 10

In verses: 10

"" ME AND MY FATHER ARE ONE""

There are not 3 persons in the Godhead.

Lord says he is God alone! There is no one with him in the Godhead!

Isaiah

40: 25 - God says he has no equal.

41: 4 - God says he is the first and the last: I am He.

42: 8 - God/Lord says he will not share his glory with another.

43: 10, 11, - The Lord says he is savior alone, there was no God formed before or after him.

44: 6, 8, 24: God says he is first and the last, no God with him, he knows no one with him. He made the heavens and earth alone.

45: 5, 6, 14, 18, 21, 22. - There is no God beside him. There is none else.

46: 5, 9 - No God equal with him, there is none else.

48: 12 - Says I am he, the first and the last.

In conclusion, if there are 3 persons in the Godhead/diety, you will have 3 Gods.

Scripture shows God alone is in the Godhead/deity.

And his name is JESUS, who is the Almighty:

Revelation 1: 8, 11, 17.

Zechariah 14: 9.

1 John 5: 20:

We know him that is true, we are in him that is true, in his son Jesus Christ, the true God!

This Msg has been slightly edited for clarity, and moved to the correct thread.

God sent forward his message in vessels of clay,

The message is revealed by the Spirit of God, ( The Holyspirit )

The clay vessels is the messengers

The message is Jesus Christ, John 1:1.

The Holyspirit reveals his message,

We don't depend on the vessel, we hear the Great Shepherd.

John 10:26-27 (KJV) But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Now listen to the Lord speaking to the Pharisees:

John 8:43. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Do you hear his voice? If so what about Revelation 1:8?

God sent forward his message in vessels of clay,

The message is revealed by the Spirit of God, ( The Holyspirit )

The clay vessels is the messengers

The message is Jesus Christ, John 1:1.

The Holyspirit reveals his message,

We don't depend on the vessel, we hear the Great Shepherd.

John 10:26-27 (KJV) But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Now He's speaking to the Pharisees:

John 8:43. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Do you hear his voice? If so what about Revelation 1:8?

REVELATION 1:1. THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST,

Revelation-

Greek:

Transliteration: apokalupsis

Pronunciation: ap-ok-al'-oop-sis

Definition: From G601; DISCLOSURE: - appearing coming lighten manifestation be revealed revelation.

KJV Usage: revelation(12x), be revealed(2x), to lighten(withG1519)(1x), manifestation(1x), coming(1x), appearing(1x).

Occurs: 18.

Here we have the DISCLOSURE/ UNVEILED/ CONCLUSION/ AND THE CLIMAX of our Lord from the volume of the scripture!!

The LORD sums it up himself.

Revelation 1:8 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, ""the Almighty.""

The Almighty-

Greek:

Transliteration: pantokratr

Pronunciation: pan-tok-rat'-ore

Definition: From G3956 and G2904; the all ruling that is God (as absolute and universal sovereign): - Almighty Omnipotent.

KJV Usage: Almighty(9x), omnipotent(1x).

Occurs: 10.

This is the Lord's climatic declaration of who he is!!

"His Commentary" "His claim "

This is the conclusion of what the scripture has already revealed by those who has eyes to see to those who has ears to hear.

Do you believe HIM?

Lezbeth, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Revelation 22:16 I JESUS have sent my angel to testify unto you (you are the church) these things (that are revealed; by Revelation) in the CHURCHES....

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him (Christ), to show unto his servants (Christ's inheritance; Psalms 2:8) things which much SHORTLY (during your lifetime) come to pass......

1 Peter 1:21 WHO (YOU) by HIM (CHRIST) do BELIEVE....

Galatians 2:16 KNOWING that a man is not justified by the works of the law, BUT BY THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even we have BELIEVED (by HIM) in Jesus Christ, that we might be JUSTIFIED by THE FAITH OF Jesus Christ......

Christ has given you HIS FAITH

Revelation 2:26 And he (you; the church) that overcomes and keeps MY WORKS (remember he gives us HIS faith, His truth, His wisdom, His understanding, His council, everything that is HIS he gives to us as our inheritance; we are his children) unto the END (when you leave this body of flesh at it's death; now he is going to give you HIS BODY; HIS incorruptible and immortal self ( 1 Timothy 6:16)......

Revelation 20:5-6 .... This is the FIRST resurrection.

(vs 6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST resurrection....

Remember he gives us what is HIS; he gives us HIS RESURRECTION. ( John 11:25)

Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall LIVE, together with MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE...

This is the rapture of the church (you) individually not collectively.

Isaiah 27:12 ...ye shall be gathered ONE BY ONE....

Mathew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now we are THE BODY OF CHRIST.....

1 Corinthians 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours (THROUGH THE WORKS OF CHRIST)

Hello Andrew,

Thank you for conversing with me on these couple subjects. Please let this be the end of our discussion with all respect.

About The Word of God not being Jesus Christ is your own belief. It is not from the pits of hell. Hebrews 1:1-4, Revelation 1:17-18, Revelation 2:26-27, Revelation 3:20-21, Revelation 19:11-16. We are to honor the Son the same way we honor the Father, John 5:21-23. The Messiah/Christ being the anointed one of God. ( 1 John 2:23-24.

Just to straighten up a little with reply about receiving the Holy Ghost. I never said my experience, or experiences, was "feeling peace". Me stating most people in the world would not believe my experiences is because they are supernatural things. It was not me who chose God, He chose me. I know not why. All glory be to Jesus Christ our Lord and our Father in Heaven.

I don't know of any Scripture of people receiving the Holy Ghost just by "feeling peace". Although I do know of one that doesn't state it was after a water baptism nor did they speak in tongues. Acts 11:11-18.

I hope our discussion shall keep you from discrediting other believers in the Lord just because they don't speak in unknown tongues. We should all try to help one another with our faith in the Lord. Hebrews 13:1-2.

Peace be with you.

Liz, May the Spirit grace you with His wisdom and His understanding.

Acts 14:22 .....that we through MUCH TRIBULATION enter into the kingdom of God.

It's been 2000 years since Christ preached the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD ( Mark 1:14) under the theory of the seven year tribulation (still waiting) no one would have entered in the kingdom of God.

Revelation 1:9 I John, whom also am your brother, and COMPANION IN TRIBULATION, and in THE KINGDOM...

It appears that John believed he was living during the time of TRIBULATION.

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.

REVELATION 13

May the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

MEDITATE on this question. Did you buy or sell anything in the last two are three days?

Revelation 13:17 That NO MAN might buy or sell, save he had the mark of the beast......

SERIOUS THINKING, RIGHT. You will have to have the SPIRITS help to understand.

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things that are written therein: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.

Brian,

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it." Rom 14:5-6

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." Col 2:16-17

The Sabbath that the Jewish people observed was specifically to give the people AND their work animals a day of rest--no work. There was no instruction to worship on the Sabbath.

But when Gentiles began to believe in Jesus, the Apostles held a council in Jerusalem to determine if Jewish laws were to be imposed on them. Here's how the Apostles responded...

"It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." Act 15:25-29

No mention of a Sabbath.

If you choose to worship on Saturday, I have no problem with that. Most Christians gather on Sunday, the first day of the week in honor and thankful memory of the day the The Lord Jesus Christ arose from the grave. And I'm fine with that or any other day a group of believers choose to assemble.

We should not forsake the assembling together, whatever day it be.

Sounds like gathering on the first day ( Acts 20:7) of the week to worship is being confused with observing the Sabbath. These are 2 different things. I think everyday should be a day to worship and honor God. Following Christ as a Christian is a 24/7 lifestyle, not a temporary event once a week. I don't think the specific day people gather is so important. The verse in Acts I don't view as a command, but an example. God bless.

Where in scripture does it say the Sabbath day was changed to Sunday the 1st day of the week.

CONSTANTINE was a sun worshipper and the Catholic Church made it permanent.

NOT SCRIPTURAL.

Brian,

Where is your Scripture to support that after Pentecost, Christians were to worship on the last day of the week rather than the first day of the week?