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Revelation 17:9 KJV

And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Look up, where are the seven mountains located. This tells you who the beast is. The beast is located in Rome or in Vatican City

Revelation 17:18 Tells you who the beast rules

And the woman which thou sawest is that (great city), which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

World leaders, presidents, politicians, pastors, etc

Hello Brother Chris, I am a poor choice to edge myself into the subject of Non-resistance but I see how without its presence in the life of a Christian one can wander into preparations or arming themselves for the punishment and or destruction of Babylon. It will be heathen hands as Jeremiah preached that overtake Babylon. Jeremiah 51:11, 28-29. The Christian must not interfere in God's vengeance against all unrighteousness in spiritual Babylon. The sword of opposition is not Bible doctrine. Revelation 17:12-13 Summarized- Power is give to the kings and in one mind and strength to the beast. Revelation 17:14 Summarized- The war is with the Lamb. The Lamb will overcome as he is Lord of lords and King of Kings. His followers who are with him are chosen and faithful. It is the non-resistance of these believers that they can be with the Lamb as he overcomes spiritual Babylon that great city, which is the complete opposite of New Jerusalem.

Likely there will arise those whom may riot and gain followers but they will eventually be scattered as they are resistant to submission. I am certain that repeating the vision and revelation of the Lamb may be tiresome. However another happening as "I Stood" by the Lamb was it would have been near impossible to make myself lower than He. That is how we are, how I am and how we must completely surrender to His testimony of Peace.

By faith and love. We can write more together in this short walk if time allows.

Donna Smith,

There are several opinions on this, we know Satan was the first to rebel, the first to sin, a murderer, and is the father of lies ( John 8:44). We see in Isaiah 14 God said, take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, many take vs. 12 O Lucifer son of the morning as being Satan describing his casting out.

The word Lucifer, the morning star is another word for the planet Venus, Latin roots lux (light) and ferre (to carry) it is its brightest right before sunrise. It is also called a day star because it can be seen in the daytime.

We see in ( Ezekiel 28:12-19) Is a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, where the description of Satan is taken. In ( Job 1) and ( Job 2) " the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord" (angels) Satan showed up. So at this time Satan still had access to heaven. In ( Luke 10:18) Jesus said "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Whether past or future? Whether it was his ranking or permanent?

Now in ( Revelation 12:7-17) and Revelation 13:1-2), the war in heaven where the red dragon and his angels are cast out into the earth. In verse 8 there is no more place for them in heaven. In verse 12 they are rejoicing in heaven and the warning, "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth" because Satan knows he only has a short time.

My understanding, Revelation 12 starts the great tribulation when Satan is permanently cast down with no more access to heaven and gives his power seat and great authority to the beast. Revelation 12, if you look at the Greek it is Satan standing on the sand of the sea when the beast ascends out of the bottomless pit. ( Revelation 9:11) ( Revelation 11:7) ( Revelation 17:8).

May this help your study, you can use, bible simple search KJV, just type in to edge, google, yahoo or whatever search you use, also this site. Type in devil, Satan, and it will pull all scripture that contains these words you can study.

God bless,

RLW

Shellon Hooten,

Revelation is hard, for one, it is not in chronological order, and not all has been revealed to us. Pray and keep in mind there are answers we may never be given. At this time there have been 3.5 years of tribulation by Satan, the beast, the false prophet, and the great whore Babylon, and Babylon was just destroyed by the ten kings/countries of the beast. ( Revelation 17, 18).

These same ten kings/kingdoms/countries will make war with Jesus, ( Revelation 17:14). They were rejoicing in heaven and "his wife hath made herself ready" and "Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb" ( Revelation 19:1-10).

In ( Revelation 19:11-21) we see Jesus coming with his armies, ( Matthew 25:31) that were in heaven, and the call to the fowls to gather to the supper of the great God. ( Ezekiel 39: 17-20) There are more scriptures on the coming of Jesus, ( Matthew 24: 29-31) ( Mark 13:24-27) ( 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17), and more. The beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire and the remnant of the armies are destroyed by the sword proceeding out of the mouth of Jesus. The power of His word wiped them out.

Then in Revelation 20, Satan is locked in the bottomless pit, to be there for one thousand years, and Jesus sets up His Kingdom and the camp of the saints. So scripture tells us when Jesus returns with all His holy angels/armies, He sends angels to gather His elect. Who are in this first resurrection? The description of them is in ( Revelation 20:4). Are they all that will be saved? Are they the most loyal elect that is given this honor? The key is the white throne judgment, is it only for the lost as taught? Why is the book of life opened ( Revelation 20:12)? Should we not consider ( Matthew 25:31-46) ( John 5:28-29) ( Acts 24:15). Do we overlook ( Revelation 20:15)?

I know this does not answer your question, if it can be answered, but may it inspire study.

God bless,

RLW

You are very kind Brother Dan , you made me blush ! I appreciate your posts very much . Stay here with us , we need you . Christ is keeping his eyes and ears on us all !

Sister English Sasha,

Thank you for your kind words. I really do enjoy reading your caring spiritual responses to others here, and I know they come from the heart of a kind and generous person. You are very blessed with the gift of the Holy Spirit as it is readily seen in your postings here.

May God's Holy Spirit continue to light your path forward!

God Bless.

You are a wise man Dan , there is more than enough meat in the Bible for us to chew on , it's a never ending feast for the soul , mind and heart .

UTube is like a minefield, as is all the other social media sites.it's the devils playground. I try not to go there.keep my nose in the Bible.

Job 32:8

"But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding."

God Bless

For the truth that so many fail to see: see the documentary ITS WORSE THAN YOU THINK on youtube, if still there or on rumble and for sure at revelationsofjesuschrist.c I was at first dismissive, then skeptical, then perplexed, and quickly moved to repentance. I thought like many, that I knew and wouldn't be fooled. I didn't realize how deceived I was. Time is very short. View and pray for insight and wisdom. Your in for quite an education. It is worse than you think. Realize this one thing, no matter what you believe about the jab, mark or no mark, hand or no hand, (if you understood the greek root of the word you'd understand completely), IF the mark is here, then so is the beast. One does not precede the other. When in Daniel 11:24 prophesies of the anti-Christ type (Antiochus Epiphanes), it does not preclude the end times anti-Christ. This is just a foreshadowing of things to come. As it was in the beginning so shall it be in the end. Adam and Eve were in paradise, free from death. They were warned not to take into them what was forbidden or the would die (spiritually) and once consumed or taken into their bodies, they did die and they too were deceived. It just wasn't as the deceiver had claimed not. We have been warned from the beginning and we still don't see. We haven't loved God so we have been given a great delusion. We have all been deceived on a grand scale. Just as the religious leaders of Jesus time who knew the "old Testament" backwards and forwards did not see in the spirit, but only thru their carnal minds, they too missed the reality of the Messiah. They couldn't accept it and refused to believe it, to the point of killing God. So to, think we know, we think we will see it all coming. Just as Jesus said he would return like a thief in the night, (catch everyone unaware, unexpectedly), so to in parallel and counterfeit to Christ the beast has entered in peaceably (which translates unnoticed). Wake up you've been deceived.

Hey John,

Like is said, many people have a plethora of interpretations on Revelation. The word antichrist has developed into a being, along with seven years into a story of fiction. The word antichrist is only in first and second John ( 1 John 2:18,22) (1 John4:3) ( 1John 1:7), if you read, there are billions of antichrists today.

If you read Revelation there is not one, or two, but three, Satan, the beast, and the false prophet. Satan is cast down to earth Revelation 12; this is permanent because no place is left for him in heaven, he gives his seat, authority, and power to the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit. In Revelation 13 this beast comes out of the sea (bottomless pit) ( Revelation 11:7) ( Revelation 17:8). The second beast (false prophet) Makes image and causes those to worship the first beast and take the mark ( Revelation 13:11-18)

I am not familiar with J. Vernon Mcgee so I cannot comment on what he said. Many takes Daniel, Mathew and some of Paul and paint some fantastic picture of end time. If you are studying Revelation read it from front to back 5-10 times with no preconceived ideas in your head before you start to study it.

Many interpretations use scripture and prophecies that have already been fulfilled, pray before you study and let the Holy Spirit lead you. Clear your mind from all the things you have heard and understand that somethings have not been revealed to us as yet. Some things we will not know until they happen.

Walk in the light,

RLW

No the vaccine is not the mark of the beast, You will know when it is presented to the World, as a method to allow you to buy & sell products..it will be similar to a patch which will have an muslim signet on it..Remember there is no FEAR in CHRIST..i RECCOMEND READING REVELATION 17:17,which states that GOD is the Director of the last day events..

Kevin, have you been born again? Working with the Holy Spirit you can be comforted and know that power is available to you to stand in these evil days.

Everything that's happening, Jesus told his disciples and the whole world through them. Everyone receives power in their prayers. He doesn't keep secrets. Matthew 24 and Luke 21; book of Revelation. The end is written in 2 Peter chapter 3. EVERY PERSON ON EARTH has an opportunity right now to lock arms with Jesus Christ and escape the End of Days. One of the final signs is the rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem; with Israel's enemies surrounding it.

The world hates Israel just a bit more than the United States.

On YouTube, search Revelation Station Movie. It's actors with scads of news and movie clips; with sound effects of the trumpets that will make your skin crawl.

These aren't those lame Rapture movies of the 70's. These are high tech like what our Military has now: missiles, nukes,drones. Space weapons.

RFID CHIP technology, and much more. Our ability to snuff out ourselves is frightening.

Anyway, the signs are happening and everyone must either choose Life with Jesus, or Death with Antichrist

I agree.Too many doctors do not like what these experimental injections - not vaccines are doing to people long-term. A dear friend of mine dropped dead from a heart attack two days after her second injection. She had never had heart issues and was only 42 years old. We must not be forced to get these injections. We must trust God to keep us.

Very few have suffered any side effects or possible deaths from the covid-19 vaccine from the information I have heard from the time vaccination started in January 2021 until now. Nor are people unknowingly being injected microchips.

Governments around the world are trying to rid the world of covid19, if they were trying to kill off billions of people they would just let covid-19 do it for them or even Ebola would do it. They wouldn't try to create a vaccine.

When the Beast and his Antichrist comes to power, it will be known, when the mark of the beast is initiated, one will be in the situation if they don't get it their livelihood is completely disrupted, they will not be able to work, receive medical care, by medicines, buy food, pay rent, buy a house, drive a car, excetera excetera excetera

My friend the churches are in the same place they have always been. However there is many churches that have left the old paths and fallen for the new modern day scene. The Pastors are preaching all the love but no repentance. They have fallen for what the news media and the governments are telling them. The people of today are just like the children of Israel in the day of Nebuchadnezzar and the 3 Hebrew Children. They are bowing done to the kings and governments. They are looking to man for their salvation. The people need to get back as instructed in II Chronicles 7:14. These vaccines are the way the for the governments to control the people. They are being used along with the media to cause men's hearts to fear the ways of man instead of fearing the Lord God. The Bible says not to fear man for he can only take destroy the body but to fear God who can destroy both the body and soul in hell. We need a whole lot of repentance and then a whole lot of preying from the children of God to make this thing even start to get right. Presidents and their governmental officers can only go so far. God is STILL in control. He has not given up. Matthew 24:3-14 tells us that things must come to pass before the end shall come. Pestilences are here and the COVID is one of them. These vaccines and mask are just a way for the devil to destroy the believers faith in God. God will carry us through this thing. If you are his then just keep trusting in him. He will deliver his either here on earth or when we reach that city. No Christian will ever feel death. We just move up to live with him forever. John 14:27 reminds us that Jesus leaves us peace and it is better than anything the world can give. So we need not let our hearts be troubled for we are his and nothing can pluck us from his hands. Keep the faith and hold strong for morning is coming and the Son will shine forever. May God Bless you in this time and touch you and your family.

Where are the Globalists in all this.? The experimental shot that people are taking is dripping & injuring millions. This is a bio weapon being used to get the population down to 500 million. My family is being affected. Where are the churches?

Kevin

Hi Richard Someones got a serious imagination I want to see that myself Chapter and verse and it has to say pharmacy.

They are referring to Rev. 9:21, 18:23,21:8, 22:15 the word sorcerer is the word pharmakeia but that is not talking about the medical field that is talking about so called white witchcraft and crystals and things of that nature. These are known as the natural healing field but again, anything can be taken out of balance, Prove all things with Gods Word thats our Standard In His Service

i heard that pharmacys were used to help destroy america in revelations,what chapter is it in please thank you

Judith,

Many do not believe we will be here; it is the gathering of the Church (rapture). I believe scripture tells us if we are living, we will be here and we must be prepared, but you can study that for your conscience. We see in Revelation 12 and 13 when Satan is cast down permanently to earth with no more access to heaven. Satan is standing on the sand of the sea when the first beast ascends out of the sea (bottomless pit). ( Revelation 11:7) ( Revelation 17:8) Satan gives his seat, authority, and power to this beast, and this beast makes war against the saints and prevails. People on earth will worship Satan and this beast because of the power that will be shown, the world will be incapable to make war against it.

The second beast (false prophet) rises and creates an image of the first beast and causes people to worship the image and take the mark. He deceives people with great wonders, miracles, and power in the sight of the first beast. So being in the sight of the first beast appears the two beasts are here during the same time.

This mark is not something that you will not know you are taking, whoever takes this mark will willingly take it and whoever does not worship that image and take the mark will be killed, scary thought but true. Anyone whose name is written in the Lambs book of life will not worship the beast or image and will not take the mark.

Have peace in your heart, the Holy Spirit in us will make it crystal clear what will be happening and we will overcome the hour of temptation. ( Revelation 3:10). This is going to be the darkest time so far on earth and many to most of us in Christ who are still living will be killed. Jesus said after the tribulation of those days. ( Matthew 24:29-31) ( Mark 13:24-27)

Pray and Study, trust the Holy Spirit of truth.

RLW

Dave is right on, we will be seeing this very soon.

Pamela - We are all called, but few are CHOSEN, Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. Revelation 2:10 be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou FAITHFUL unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

And they that are with him are called-chosen-faithful, it will take every word not just what we prefer.

Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are CALLED, and CHOSEN, and FAITHFUL.

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Hey Richard Estrada

I did not mean to imply what you listed was wrong, but I guess a lot of it did not go along with what you posted, I do apologize. The countries you listed may come to be, but I do not know or try to figure out what countries will be involved.

As far as what I can say about the future, I feel it will be different than what many teach. I believe, as far as the countries that will be united with the beast we will not know until they are set up. I believe the beast is not a country but an angelic being from the bottomless pit along with the false prophet, with the power of Satan who will rule over those countries and the world.

When Satan is cast down all changes, what that will look like who knows but it will not be pretty.

Babel and Babylon are the same but translated differently, Babel was the start of sun worship, the host of heaven worship, and sanctified prostitution and human sacrifices. Babel started what God was constantly dealing with Israel, the gods of the countries around them.

So, my feelings are that Babylon at the end times must have similar religious attributes because of what is said in ( Revelation 17:6), ( Revelation 18:24) and ( Revelation 19:2) whether the blood and deaths of the prophets, saints, and martyrs of Jesus are from the beginning of Babel or during the 3.5 years of tribulation, that is if this Babylon carries out the punishment for not taking the mark, because many of us if we are still here, will face death.

This is probably not what you are asking for, sorry if not. If I may suggest something, not saying I know anything but it may help if you want to study it. ( Luke 21:20-24) you listed in your first post you said if the U.S. was taken out it would be easy for Israel to be invaded, true but, when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on Nisan 10 He cried and said, ( Luke 19:41-44). You may decide Jesus, in both cases was talking of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD, not end times.

God bless,

RLW

Brother S Spencer, in your studies, would you please, find the Hebrew word that has been translated to the word Lucifer and see how it is defined in other scriptures. Man's belief that Lucifer was perfect contradicts other scriptures. If this is the only place that word is translated Lucifer? If it has another meaning, then maybe Lucifer was not perfect.

Job 26:13 By his SPIRIT he hath garnished the heavens, his hand hath FORMED (MADE) the crooked serpent.

Isaiah 27:1 In that day (TODAY) the LORD with sore and great and strong sword (THE WORD) shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and shall SLAY (kill by the word of God) the dragon that is in the sea (the sea represents us, Revelation 17:15). (We die daily by the word of God).

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil (flesh); for the devil (flesh) committeth sin from the BEGINNING (not perfect and fell). For this purpose the Son of God was manifest, that he (SPIRIT) might destroy the works of the devil (FLESH).

From the (BEGINNING); Adam and all of us were FORMED (MADE) FLESH out of dust.

1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect (mature): yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the PRINCES OF THIS WORLD, that come to nought:

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world (flesh), according to the PRINCE of the Power of the Air (flesh), the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience (flesh).

Mark 8:33 ....he rebuked Peter, saying, get thee behind me, Satan....

Peter was (flesh) not yet BORN AGAIN of the SPIRIT.

Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil (flesh).

Jesus was already BORN OF SPIRIT so the devil (flesh) had no power over him.

1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that which was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural (flesh); and afterwards that which is spiritual.

Food for thought; the Spirit reveals.

S SPENCER

Greetings in Christ JESUS

About Genesis 1:v.2, will be the readers think or imagine the "SPIRIT OF GOD moved upon the face of the H2O? or waters according Revelation 17:v.15?

NORMAN

Well, the battle is against THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS - A SATANIC TRINITY

And the angel of the Lord said- Revelation 17:v.15: The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Scripture is clear:This quoted verse reveals us the AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT of these spirits of demons like frogs which guide the peoples or rule the nations of all tongues in whole earth, through all kind of devilish systems, as religious systems (catholicism, and Judaism, and spiritism, budhism, islamism, among many others), and political systems, and military systems, and social and cultural systems, among others systems. In fact, Satan goes to and fro and from walking up and down among them.

By the way, the new NAME of SATAN in the current time of Apocalypse is Dragon.

Rev.12:v.9-10 - 9 And the great DRAGON was cast out, that OLD SERPENT,called the DEVIL,and SATAN,which DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD:he was (will be) cast out into the earth, and his messengers(2Cor.11:v.13-15) were(will be)cast out with him.

10 NOW (yes,NOW,ONLY NOW) is come salvation,and strength,and the KINGDOM of our GOD,and the Power of His Christ...

Revelation 11:v.15-18

The kingdoms of this world(WORLD OF DEVIL)ARE BECOME the KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD,AND OF HIS CHRIST;and he shall REIGN for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders,which sat before GOD on their seats,fell upon their faces,and worshipped GOD,

17 Saying,We give thee thanks,O Lord God Almighty,which art,and wast,and art to come;because thou hast taken to thee thy great power,and hast reigned.

18 AND THE NATIONS WERE(WILL BE)ANGRY,and GOD's wrath is come,and the time of the dead,that they should be Judged, and that GOD should give reward unto HIS servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear HIS name, small and great;and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth.

JESSE

Yes, certainly I am the first , but as is written in Isaiah 48:v.6 and 7:

6 Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them.

7 They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold,I knew them.

And Paul Apostle wrote:1Cor.2:v.9-11:

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love Him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of GOD.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of GOD knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Well, the battle is against THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS - A SATANIC TRINITY

And the angel of the Lord said- Revelation 17:v.15: The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Scripture is clear:This quoted verse reveals us the AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT of these spirits of demons like frogs which guide the peoples or rule the nations of all tongues in whole earth, through all kind of devilish systems, as religious systems (catholicism, and Judaism, and spiritism, budhism, islamism, among many others), and political systems, and military systems, and social and cultural systems, among others systems. In fact, Satan goes to and fro and from walking up and down among them.

By the way,the new NAME of Satan in the current time of Apocalypse is Dragon.Rev.12:v.9-And the great Dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his messengers(2Cor.11:v.13-15)were cast out with him.

10 Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the Power of His Christ...

Thought this website was focused on sharing Gods Word not giving personal judgement on individuals or government. Biblically there is no world government that operates according To Gods Word, even the body of Christ doesn't operate according to whats written look at Ephesians. One God one lord one body one faith basically also to walk in Gods love a lot easier said than done. Just giving a perspective

God I pray you lead our government to pray for forgiveness. Praying on bended knee to you Lord Almighty to humbly and honestly ask for your guidance & mercy. I know it is their will to do so Lord maybe they need a bigger push.

US & Russia constantly riding, threatening each other, tit for tat:

"President Biden warned President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia on Friday that time was running out for him to rein in the ransomware groups striking the United States, telegraphing that this could be Mr. Putin's final chance to take action on Russia's harboring of cybercriminals before the United States moved to dismantle the threat."

"Mr. Biden's challenge to Mr. Putin could pose a major credibility test in coming weeks - and further escalate a Cold War-like series of confrontations between the United States and Russia" NYT 7/9/21

Revelation 17 is playing out right under our noses. Preconceived notions are deeply tattooed on the DNA. Not knowing the times we live in will push the apocalypse right through you, as if you were a child.