Discuss Revelation 16

  • Fromnazareth on Revelation 16 - 8 months ago
    1. Seventh Bowl: "It is done!" ( Rev 16:17-21)

    The Seventh Angel pours the final bowl.

    Cosmic judgment follows (earthquake, hail).

    Babylon is "remembered." At this point she is already doomed, but the details are not yet given.

    2. The Same Seventh Angel The Vision of the Harlot ( Rev 17:1)

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    "And there came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls saying, Come, I will show you the judgment of the Great Harlot."

    So the same angel who just poured out the final plague now turns to John and explains the fate of Babylon.

    3. Literary Technique: Announcement Expansion

    This is very St. John

    In 16:19, the fate of Babylon is announced in one line.

    In 17-18, the vision of the Harlot expands and dramatizes that fate.

    That means we proposed tense shift -

    "Babylon the Great was remembered; God will give her the cup"

    - is fully justified:

    At the Seventh Bowl she is already "remembered for judgment."

    The execution of that judgment is unfolded narratively in the following chapters.

    4. Theological Structure

    Harlot destroyed (ch. 17-18) Bride revealed (ch. 19-21).

    One city dies; the other descends.

    Same angel links them, showing continuity: the wrath that ended Babylon prepares the way for the marriage of the Lamb.

    Resolution - "God will give her the cup of the wine of His wrath" - fits both the grammar (future sense implied after remembrance) and the narrative flow (the same angel shows St. John the execution and judgment.

    My propose is change text .
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Brother S Spencer,

    Revelation is difficult to discuss briefly, and I may have stumbled.

    I tried to explain that Revelation isn't arranged in order like other books in the Bible, and I didn't do a good job. Jesus doesn't return until the seventh trumpet, the last trump, 1 Corinthians 15:52, Revelation 10:7.

    I'm sorry, but I don't know much about Premillennialism, Amillennialism, or Postmillennialism. I haven't studied them, and I don't care for titles.

    My understanding is that Jesus returns in Revelation 19:11-16, and the saints are resurrected, Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 20:4-6.

    This is when the great tribulation ends, and God's wrath is poured out, Revelation 15:7, Revelation 16:1-17.

    Next comes the battle of Armageddon, Revelation 19:17-21 which those in the first resurrection will participate, Revelation 17:14. Their Judgement is shown in Revelation 20:4. The beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire, and those who worshiped the beast and had the mark are either cast in then or during the white throne judgment, but their verdict was already given, Revelation 14:9-10.

    Then the kingdom will be established, and there will be people left in the nations whom Satan, after he is released, will deceive.

    The land of Israel will be restored, Ezekiel 11:17, Jeremiah 23:5-6, and members of the tribes of Israel that will be gathered from all the nations will inhabit that land during the 1000 years, Jeremiah 29:14. Other nations will, as seen in Zechariah 14:16-20, witness Jesus ruling with a rod of iron; there are other Scriptures about this time.

    I hope this makes things clearer.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Brother Jesse, thank you. Wow, your reply is already off the discussion page. When I responded and said no, I will not walk away, I should have included that if I continue to abide in Christ as in John 15:6-7, then I am secure. You say a true believer will not fall away, and I agree, but to me, one who continues to abide in Christ is a true believer, and the Holy Spirit will strengthen them to endure until the end if we walk in the Spirit.

    Should we ask what salvation truly is? Is it a one-time event, as it is often strongly preached today, 2 Timothy 4:3-4, or is it a lifelong journey? I see salvation as encompassing the past, present, and future. When we accept Jesus through faith, our past sins are forgiven, we are justified by faith, declared innocent of sin, and covered with a white garment, clean and pure.

    We then begin a lifetime of sanctification, becoming more like Christ, and we must continually repent of our sins, walking in the Spirit to keep our garments spotless, as 1 John 1:9 states. I believe this is why there are so many warnings that we must endure, to overcome, and keep our garments spotless. We must maintain our garments, which signify a lifelong relationship with Jesus through the Holy Spirit on the way to our glorification when we are resurrected.

    Our robes are made white not by us but, Revelation 7:14, unrepentant sin defiles, Revelation 3:4-5, staying steadfast in our faith, Revelation 16:15. This is lifelong; we are to be faithful until our death, Revelation 2:10, Revelation 12:11. There is a reason for these many warnings; we should at least ask why.

    Thank you, brother.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Richard H Priday - 10 months ago
    The Rapture and Tribulation

    The Spirit has led me to discuss this; once again with some previous themes I have undertaken no doubt several times on this site. I would appreciate prayer as I have some time away to collect my thoughts should there be more to say here on this subject.

    I believe that as with no other topic of late the sea of internet forums on this topic focused particularly on dreams and visions has oftentimes done more harm than good. I seek to speak what I sense the Lord has shown me; realizing that already puts a target on my back so to speak. I pray that those who have followed me here will at least test the spirits; as it were as to anything I am saying and will realize that I am not the type to sensationalize or make up anything that I haven't sensed many times from the Lord in the past. My goal is to sound the alarm to anyone listening; whether a believer or nonbeliever stumbles upon this information.

    I am going to state a couple things that no doubt will raise controversy; the idea that not everyone confessing Christ will be raptured; and that the Spirit of God still exists after the event. There are some who are called and chosen but are not appointed to rise up according to His plan and Providence until after the Rapture; likely the countless multitude of Revelation 9.

    There are also many today who have backslidden and are; from what I can tell in scripture not prepared for the Rapture and likely left behind. There are also those who will as in all ages that will have little to show for themselves in regard to spiritual rewards; this would encompass the resurrected saints of old perhaps primarily. My main idea is that the Laodicean church of today is characterized by pride and self worth determined by possessions; and they literally will find themselves poor; blind and naked as Revelation 3:17. Many will be refined as martyrs; some could hide out and be as those warned about in Revelation 16:15.
  • Richard H Priday - 10 months ago
    32 Remember Lot's wife.

    33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. ( Luke 17:32-33).

    To keep this verse in context; we need to see that it wasn't preservation of life that was the whole issue here; it was dying to self gratification and the world as temptations to hold us back from His deliverance when it comes. One may ask "ok what does this have to do with persecution?" In this case; the enemy had a stranglehold on Lot and his family that began when he chose to move to the fertile area of the plain and Abraham decided to hang out in the backside of the desert. Nothing wrong with that a man in the flesh would argue. It is unclear how much Lot knew about the area when he arrived; but no doubt he saw opportunity to prosper economically in that location; and it is certain that at some point the sin became so clear that it caused his "righteous soul to be vexed" ( 2 Peter 2:8 reveals that fact to us). So I am "perplexed" (get it it rhymes with vexed; ok give me some latitude it's late)...

    The enemy in a sense was persecuting him; and in this case it was mostly his own fault. No one was forcing him to stay there; no doubt and based on how the story ended it is clear they had little respect for him; but until he had to speak up they probably tolerated him. That was the men's response in Genesis 19:9 when to appease the sodomites Lot offered his daughters to them instead of what they thought were men but were angels of God. God delivered Lot but it reminds us of Revelation where we are told not to be naked ( Revelation 16:15 at the onset of the bowl judgments). This is reminiscent of those who make it to heaven; but as through the fire suffering loss ( 1 Corinthians 3:15). All of scripture fits together and is useful ( 2 Timothy 3:16).

    The point is; just like Jonah we can't run and hide from being salt and light and proclaiming the truth and we can't be content compromising with evil.
  • Jesse - 10 months ago
    (Revelation Part 59):

    Revelation 16:16 - And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

    In Hebrew, it's HAR-MEGIDDON. HAR is valley. The valley of Megiddo is what Armageddon means. We see that in Zechariah 14:2-3 and Ezekiel Chapters 38 and 39. It talks about this battle known as Armageddon, or the valley of Megiddo (HAR-MEGIDDON). It has been said in this forum that Armageddon is not a literal place. Please know that the Valley of Megiddo is a very real place!

    Revelation 16:17 - And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

    And the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air; Now that seems kind of foolish! Except in Ephesians 2:2, it tells us that Satan is the prince and power of the air, the literal air which we breathe. It's also his domain.

    Revelation 16:19 - And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

    We find in the NT that Babylon is the cryptic name for Rome. And great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

    Revelation 16:21 - And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

    And there fell upon men a great hail from out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent, about 100 pounds: That's pretty big hail!

    But why that? Well, the law says that if you blaspheme God, you will be stoned. Every stone of hail, a hundred pounds each, coming down on people! And men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceedingly great.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 10 months ago
    (Revelation Part 58):

    Revelation 16:12 - And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

    We're getting into the Gog and Magog territory of Ezekiel Chapters 38 and 39, where the armies are going to come against Israel from the north. And the Euphrates River is going to be dried up, and the armies are going to be able to go through the river and get to Jerusalem. These will be cavalry people.

    Revelation 16:14 - For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

    You see the whole point of all this, if you can imagine this, Satan going through all this trouble to bring about a one world government, one world religious system, one world economic system. It's so he can unify everybody under his control so that at the second coming of Christ, he will be in control of them to get them over to the valley of Megiddo and fight against the Lord at His second coming.

    That's it! He doesn't want anybody's money. He knows the second coming of Christ is coming. If he says, "Okay everybody, let's go fight against the Lord when He comes," he has no authority over them. These are people who are locked in that have the mark of the beast and belong to him. They worship him. And they blaspheme God as these judgments are happening, so Satan says, "They're conditioned, they're mine!"

    And the whole point of this is to draw everybody over to the valley of Megiddo. And we'll see that soon in Revelation. But these demonic spirits like frogs are coming out of these three to influence the kings of the earth, and the whole world, and to gather them together for battle.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 10 months ago
    (Revelation Part 57):

    Revelation 16:2 - And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

    And the first went, and poured out his bowl upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore. This would be the word HELKOS which refers to physical sores or boils. The only other place this is found is in Exodus where we read about the plagues of Egypt.

    There fell a noisome and grievous boil upon men who had the mark of the beast, and upon them that worshipped his image.

    Revelation 16:3 - And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

    Again, we are reminded of the plagues in Egypt in Exodus 7:15-21.

    Revelation 16:4 - And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

    We saw this back in the breaking of the seals. Only a third at that time was done. Now it is complete.

    Revelation 16:5 - And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

    And I heard the angel of the waters say, and remember I told you that angels seem to be put in charge of nature of some kind, wind, or water. So, I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, who art, and wast, and shall be, that is, who is, and who was, and who always shall be.

    Who art, and was, and shall be is a paraphrase of God's name taken from Exodus 3:14.

    Revelation 16:9 - And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

    That's quite a difference between what's going on in heaven and what's going on here on the earth.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Brother Jesse,

    Part 1

    This subject has been discussed before, and I don't reply to cause debate, but in my heart, I feel it is deception that people may be looking for something that is not coming. In Matthew 24, Jesus said, "Take heed that no man deceive you." I would like to point out a few things that may be considered for study in pursuit of the truth. The Rapture doctrine, where the Church is taken to heaven before the second coming of Jesus, does it fit scripture? If Daniel 9:25-27 has been fulfilled, how does that affect the Rapture doctrine?

    Each one of us is accountable- Romans 14:12.

    There are two resurrections: the first in Revelation 19:11-21 through Revelation 20:1-5. This aligns with what Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-58.

    When Jesus returns, it will be with the armies of heaven in Revelation 19, and in Matthew 24, Jesus sends His angels to gather His elect. We see in Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27, and Luke 21:25-28.

    When Jesus returns, the Battle of Armageddon occurs, Revelation 16:13-16, Ezekiel 39:11-22, Revelation 19:17-19, and the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20-21. Satan is imprisoned in the bottomless pit, Revelation 20:1-3, and judgment occurs for those in the first resurrection on earth, Revelation 20:4, not in heaven, then the 1000 years, Revelation 20:5-6.

    I do not know of any Bible verses that agree with the rapture of the Church?

    See part 2
  • S Spencer - 1 year ago
    Hi Brothers Chris and Giannis and Sister Gigi.

    I would like to share mt beliefs in regards to this topic.

    (Not that it has any authority)

    1st, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OT AND NT MINISTRIES.

    When it comes to God's mercy there is no difference. ( There was a mercy seat" as a solid gold covering placed on top of the Ark of the Covenant in the OT which is seen as a foreshadowing or type of Christ. )

    The mercy seat is shown as a symbol of means of forgiveness following a law given that is known as the Administration of condemnation and Administration of Death.

    2 Corinthians 3:7-9.

    As for the penalty of sin and God's wrath which is to come.

    The wrath to come was initiated or caused in the Garden of Eden.

    There is an curse on ALL creation and an unrepentant sin nature on Man.

    This nature loves darkness.

    If you gave man a 1000 years in hell he'll still have that sin nature after the 1000 years was filled.

    If you gave man peace on earth for a 1000 years without the devil influence and release the Devil when the 1000 years is filled Man will still display that rebellious nature.

    You see a glimpse of this type of unrepentant rebellious demonic nature in Revelation, even while being tormented! Revelation 16:8-11.

    Man is needing to be redeemed! Initially he doesn't know and want it.

    However,

    I believe there is the true light or/and restrainer (all the same being) that reveals and restrains evil and to recieve truth provided to all men.

    This light is to reveal their depravity and to lead them out of darkness to Christ or openly reject him and be condemned with the world.

    REFERENCES.

    2 Thessalonians 2:6-7

    John 1:8-10.

    John 3:17-21

    Man has an everlasting Spirit and it's either one that is forever rebellious and continuously influenced by Satan in this life and the after life or he is continuously influenced by the Holyspirit which brought him to Christ and abides in him.

    Blessings.
  • Bronco wildtrak 1 - 1 year ago
    Part 3

    Apostle Paul warns us of falsely accuse of our good conversation in Christ.

    1 Peter 3:16

    Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed thatfalsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

    Apostle Peter in the Tribulation warn his Jewish followers of false prophets.

    2 Peter 2:1

    But there werefalseprophets also among the people, even as there shall befalseteachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

    Saint John warns us in the Tribulation of false prophets.

    1 John 4:1

    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because manyfalseprophets are gone out into the world.

    Saint John warns the Jewish followers of false prophets.

    Revelation 16:13

    And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of thefalseprophet.

    We are in the Church age of grace, we do not have prophets to deliver us the word of God and we do not a apostles to give us another revelation to add to the Bible.

    Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

    Apostle Paul is our Apostle for today
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Brother S Spencer,

    The first Adam, his disobedience brought sin and death into the world, Romans 5:12-19. The last Adam by obedience to God brought forgiveness and life, the resurrection from the dead, 1 Corinthians 15:21-22.

    Adam and Eve were naked and were not ashamed, their hearts were uncorrupted and free from sin. After they ate the forbidden fruit their eyes were opened, their consciences were opened to the knowledge of good and evil, and sin replaced the purity they had. They had a sense of fear and disgrace due to their disobedience.

    The shame they now felt was due to the sinful nature that entered them and now they no longer perfectly perceived things, their view of their nakedness should be covered. Nakedness was not a sin, but a fallen perception of nakedness brought shame and sorrow they now felt.

    As God covered Adam and Eve with coats of skins to cover their shame/nakedness. Our nakedness of shame can be covered with the garment Isaiah 61:10 given by Jesus. We in Jesus shall not be found naked, but clothed, with the garment of Christ's righteousness, our sins covered and cleansed by the blood of Jesus that makes it spotless and white as long as we continue in faith and overcome.

    Concerning those that do not die in the Lord, that do not watch, and keep their garments will walk naked, their sins will be open to being seen, Revelation 16:15 1 Timothy 4:1-2 Revelation 20:15.

    Every human being, whether they're saved or unsaved, and regardless of their culture, ethnicity, or background, has a conscience, Romans 2:14-15. Inside this conscience is the battle between the flesh and the Spirit Romans 9:1 we can repent and be covered, if not we will be naked and found guilty. We cannot hide what is in our conscience, it records every good and evil we have ever done or thought. I feel this is where we are naked or clothed. Romans 4:6-8 2 Corinthians 1:12 1 Timothy 1:19 Hebrews 9:9 Hebrews 13:18 1 Peter 3:21.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Nakedness.

    A difference between Adam and Christ in his humanity.

    Adam was born Naked "metaphorically Vulnerable "

    Jesus was clothed with light even while here on earth.

    Some people view the two as both sons of God and one failed and the other endured and succeeded with both being capable of sin.

    One of many differences between the two may be seen in the usage of the word "naked" in Genesis with the focus being on Adam.

    As mentioned in my previous post, In Revelation it mentions nakedness along with being shame.

    Revelation 3:17-18 "Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

    I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, AND THAT THE SHAME OF THY NAKEDNESS DO NOT APPEAR; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

    Revelation 16:15 "Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, LEST HE WALK NAKED, AND THEY SEE HIS SHAME.

    (Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments.)

    Nakedness is unclothed and meaning vulnerable. Perhaps to be ashamed one would have to have knowledge of good and evil.

    In Genesis it mentions Adam and Eve being naked along with NOT being ashamed.

    Genesis 2:25 it reads "And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were NOT ASHAMED.

    After they ate of the fruit they covered themselves!

    This emphasizes they now were ashamed.

    Keep in mind they were already naked, uncovered and vulnerable.

    So the question is what caused their shame? Was it the Knowledge of Good and Evil?
  • Oseas - 1 year ago
    The invitation made to John around 2000 years ago is extendable to all people now on this seventh and last Day, and you will know better what will and must happen from now on, on this seventh and last Day, the Day of the Lord. Revelation 11:15 and 19: 15 ->The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

    -->19 And the temple of GOD was opened in heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:3-8), and there was seen in His temple the Ark of His Testament: and there were(will be) lightnings, and VOICES, and thunderings, and an earthquake( Revelation 16:18), and great hail.

    Luke 13:29

    29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the Kingdom of GOD.

    Come up hither, yeah, come up hither, unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not...it will be a waste of time to want to buy now, the bridegroom has come and shut the door, the door is shut( Luke 13:25 combined with Revelation 3:7), and he that was /is ready goes in with Him to the marriage: and the door is closed-->for ever.

    Lord, Lord, open to us. Oh Lord, open to us, open to us... Lord, Oh Lord ...open...

    Luke 13:25-27

    25 When once the Master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he answers and says unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

    26 And ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

    Lord, Lord, open to us. Oh Lord, open to us, open to us... Lord, Oh Lord ...open...
  • Oseas - 1 year ago
    continuation from prior post

    John saw: Revelation 15:1-8:

    1-And I saw another sign in heaven,great and marvellous,7 angels having the 7 last PLAGUES;for in THEM is filled up the WRATH of GOD->(Re.11:18&16:1)

    4-Who shall not fear thee,O Lord,and glorify thy name?thou only art holy: ...and thy Judgments are made manifest.

    Then the PLAGUES start to be poured, its in the beginning of the 2nd half of the last week: Revelation 16:2: The FIRST PLAGUE will be poured upon the earth; upon the inhabitants of Israel, and there will fall a noisome and grievous sore upon all MEN which have the MARK of the Beast, and upon them which worshipp his image.

    And the 2nd plague will be poured upon the sea;-->sea= waters=> peoples, and NATIONS, and multitudes of every tongue, GENTILE PEOPLES, and they will become as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul(that was created, Genesis 2:7) shall die.-->As was in Sodom and Gomorrah, and in the neighbouring cities.

    The sequence of the pragues and their consequences are described from Revelation 16:4 to 21.Terrible,very terrible, as we can foreseen by the Word of GOD.JESUS warned us: Luke 21:25-28:-->25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars( Revelation 12:1-12, take a look.); and upon the Earth distress of NATIONS, with perplexity;the sea(peoples, and NATIONS, and multitudes of all tongues)and the waves roaring( Psalm 2:1-5);

    26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the Earth: for the powers of heaven ( Ephesians 1:3-8) shall be shaken.

    27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.(the same cloud that received JESUS in His ascension- Acts 1:9-11,combined with Matthew 17:5,and 2 Peter 1:16-12,and Isaiah 4:1-6 speaking of the seven Churches as a clue to understand the prophecies).

    28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

    Get ready
  • Oseas - 1 year ago
    See,the Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself,self-executing, it's the Power. We are living in the seventh and last millennium after Adam,or seventh and last Day,the Lord's Day.As is written- Revelation 11:6&18-, more Power WILL BE GIVEN over waters,over peoples,and NATIONS,and multitudes of all tongues,understand? to turn them to BLOOD, and to smite the earth with ALL PLAGUES,as often as will. So the OPENING of the 7 seals starts,the first four seals is LITERALLY fulfilled from now on with the appearance/manifestation of 4 horseriders and what each one does and shall do, it is written in Revelation 6:1-8,take a look.One of them works for the Lord JESUS-Michael-,three of them work for the Devil,the MAN of sin,son of perdition;would be them Putin, Xi Jiping and Trump,or other?It is up to the believers to discern and identify them by the Spirit of GOD,they are already moving in the scenary.

    OTOH,meanwhile,all Christian believers which were slain for the Word of GOD and testimony which they held from the 4th to the 6th Day(the last 2000 years)THEY MUST REMAIN UNDER THE ALTAR as it is showed in Revelation 6:9-11& Re.8:3-5 combined with Revelation 19:5-10,take a look.

    We are in the Lord's Day, time of the Apocalypse, the TURN of the 6th to the 7th Day, the Trumpets starts TO SOUND at the opening of the 7th seal,as is written- Revelation 8:1-7.From now on there will be terrible punishments,only and only punishment, but it is the beginning of the chastisings according to the Word of GOD;6th seal is LITERALLY fulfilled even BEFORE the beginning of the 1st half, and it lasts until the beginning of the 2nd half of the last week of years.

    The above described is the scenary to be seen in the first half of the last week, and the 2nd half, how will it be?



    The PLAGUES will be poured in the 2nd half of the last week: Revelation 16:2: The FIRST PLAGUE will be poured upon the earth; upon the inhabitants of Israel.

    continues in next post
  • Oseas - 1 year ago
    Acts 14:22

    22 Confirming the souls of the disciples,and exhorting them to continue in the faith,and that WE MUST through much TRIBULATION enter into the kingdom of GOD.

    Re.11:15:The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD(DEVIL's WORLD)are become the kingdoms of our Lord,and of his Christ;and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    Re.11:18-And the NATIONS were(will be)angry(why?),and GOD's WRATH is come...-->WHAT WILL BE THE CONSEQUENCES IN ALL THE NATIONS?All will see from now on.The message for ALL the believers is:GET READY,and do what the Lord GOD commands:--> Isaiah 26:20-21,and trust in the Word of GOD--> Psalm 91 among many other biblical references.

    NOW,even now,the current time-->it is the time of the dead that they should be Judged--> Isaiah 26:19 combined with Daniel 12:1-4,and 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16;

    NOW, even now-->the Lord GOD should give REWARD unto His servants the prophets,and to the saints( 1Corinthians 6:2 combined with Daniel 7:22 andd 26-27),and them that fear HIS NAME,small and great;

    NOW,even NOW,from NOW on -->our Lord GOD should DESTROY them which destroy the earth.-> 2Peter 3:11->Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED(AS AN IMPLOSION),what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

    12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of GOD, wherein the heavens being on fire(THE HEAVENLY ENVIRONMENT ESTABLISHED BY GOD OF THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS-BOTH COVENANTS)shall be DISSOLVED,and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

    13Nevertheless we,according to his promise,look for new heavens and a NEW earth( Acts 3:19-21),wherein dwelleth righteousness.

    Revelation 16:15-->15Behold,I come as a thief.Blessed is he that watcheth,and keepeth his garments,lest he walk naked,and they see his shame.

    Mat.24:22-23

    22And except these days should be shortened,there should no flesh be saved:but for the elect's sake these days shall be shortened.

    23Then if any man shall say unto you,Lo,here is Christ,or there;believe it not.->be careful
  • Oseas - 1 year ago
    GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens.

    What I know is that the four riders of Apocalypse, one of GOD and three of the Devil, they are already running /walking with their powers that are reflected in whole world.

    It is up to the believing followers of JESUS to identify who the four horsemen of the Apocalypse are,

    the rider of the white horse is Michael( Daniel 12:1-3 combined with 1Thessalonians 4:16),

    and the rider of the red horse in my view is Trump,

    but who is the rider of the black horse?

    And the pale horse, who is the rider whose NAME is called Death, and Hell follow with him? Is not he the MAN of sin, son of perdition, who will manifest himself very soon as the messiah of the Jews ( John 5:43-47 combined with Revelation 13:11-18) even now, in the last week, week 70th Daniel 9:27 combined with 2Thessalonians 2:3-4 and 9-12, as soon as be elected the next and last Pope? As is written, Power will be given UNTO THEM over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the ruthless beasts of the earth?

    The battle is/will be against three unclean spirits like frogs- Revelation 16:13-15. Why frogs? ->there is something in the site of purebible.

    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the MOUTH of the dragon( Revelation 13:11), and out of the MOUTH of the Beast (Beast of sea- Revelation 13:1-9, the Papacy), and out of the MOUTH of the False Prophet( John 5:43-47).

    14 For they are the SPIRITS OF DEMONS, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that Great Day of GOD Almighty.

    ATTENTION!

    15 Behold, I come as a thief.

    Be careful and Get ready
  • Oseas - 2 years ago
    Comment on Daniel 9:26-27 for meditation:

    26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off (crucified), but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come (the esoteric and kabbalistic false messiah- John 5:43-47 combined with Revelation 13:11) shall DESTROY the CITY (Jerusalem) and the SANCTUARY-> Revelation 13:2->the dragon, the esoteric false messiah of Judaism- Revelation 13:11 gave(will give) him (will give to the Beast of sea-ruler of Catholicism) his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority.; and the END thereof shall be with a flood( Luke 21:24; Revelation 11:2; Revelation 12:15?), and unto the END of the WAR ( Revelation 16:13-15) desolations are determined.

    27 And he (the profane prince of Israel that shall come- Ezekiel 21:25, John 5:43-47; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 13:11) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week(covenant with the whole religious structures of the RCC-Judaism and Catholicism- Revelation 13:2): and in the midst of the week( Revelation 13:5) he- the profane wicked prince of Israel, the false messiah- shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease ( 2Thessalonians 2:6-9), and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation ( Revelation 16:13-15), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    GOD bless and get ready
  • Oseas - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Rainwalker

    As you and ALL know, the prophecy - Daniel 7:7-8- is revealing about the fourth Empire- the dreadful and terrible, and strong Roman Empire- diverse from the Greek, Persian and Babylonian kingdoms that were before it. As you and all know, the Roman Empire was specifically and genuinely a GENTILIC Empire, but there was also a completely alien being, or nation, in the Gentile Roman Empire: It was ISRAEL, descendants of Abraham. For this reason the prophecy reveals Israel as an APPENDIX linked to the Roman Empire as 10 other independent powers, DESCENDANTES OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC and JACOB, prophetically represented by 10 horns, which in turn represents the 10 toes of the statue, part of iron, and part of clay- Daniel 2:42. In Daniel 2 , Israel, the clay- Isaiah 64:8-, is represented by 10 toes of the feet of the Nebuchadnezzar's estatue.

    The roots of the Gentile Beast of sea, the Papacy, a religious MONSTER having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns 10 crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy, the main partner of the red Dragon- Revelation 12:3-4 & 9, yeah, the roots of the Gentile Beast of sea-the Papacy, are described in Revelation 13:2. In this current decade must be elected the last Pope, the next, and to this last Pope the dragon- Revelation 13:11-, will give him his Power, and his Throne(in JERUSALEM), and great Authority. Both as a RELIGIOUS AND SATANIC MONSTER-Catholicism and Judaism-iron and clay-, both will establish an Universal and religious kingdom- Daniel 2:41-44 combined with Luke 21:24 and Revelation 11:2. Take a look.

    There will be a terrible spiritual War in the Earth from now on- Revelation 16:13-15.

    GET READY

    Revelation 21:8 - The fearful(COWARDS), and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
  • Oseas - 2 years ago
    Matthew 12:35-37

    35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

    36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment. (that is the seventh and last GOD's Day or seventh and last millennium)

    37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

    Revelation 16:15

    15 Behold, I come as a thief.

    Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
  • Oseas - 2 years ago
    WAR AGAINST THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS-WHY FROGS?

    The end of times has arrived and what the Devil intends to do as the father of the Jews( John 8:44), is to direct the current world under his rule towards a global environment that will facilitate the establishment of his much desired Universal Kingdom, his fifth Universal Kingdom, for which Satan has been working since ancient times starting with Abel's murder- Matthew 23:33-35.Take a look. GOD revealed to the king of Babylon through Daniel this desire of Satan by interpreting Nebuchadnezzar's dream: Daniel 2:41-43, but in verses 44 to 47 GOD reveals how He will destroy the Kingdom of the Devil, father of the Jews- JOHN 8:44.

    There will be a TERRIBLE WAR from now on between GOD's people X Satan's people. Re.11:15 says: The KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD are become the KINGDOMS of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. ( Matthew 5:5 combined with Revelation 5:10).

    But Satan as a God intends to do the same with global world ruled by him-2Thes.2:3-4&9-12 combined with Revelation 12, i.e. to establish his satanic Universal religious Kingdom.

    The WAR will be against THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS-WHY FROGS?

    Revelation 16:13 to 16

    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like FROGS come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and out of the mouth of the Beast, and out of the mouth of the False Prophet.

    14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of GOD Almighty.

    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Ar - mag - eddon.

    15 Behold, I come as a thief. (Get ready)

    Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    Wake up, quick, and get ready
  • Oseas - 2 years ago
    THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS - Revelation 16:13

    I searched deeply an explanation for this biblical mystery, and by the Word of GOD what I found is the follow:

    First of all, frogs are amphibians vertebrate animals that live in the aquatic environment and on the terrestrial environment. But is it the same in the spiritual environment? Yes, it is.

    1-AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT OF THE EVIL SPIRITS LIKE FROGS

    Revelation 17:15-And the angel saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. NOTE: Except the TRUE CHRISTIANS/ ELIEVERS, all the peoples of all the nations are leaded and guided by the THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS like frogs.TERRIBLE.

    The aquatic environment of these three spirits of demons like frogs which guide the peoples or rule nations of all tongues in whole earth, through devilish systems, as religious systems(Catholicism, and Judaism, spiritism, budhism, islamism, among others),and also political systems,and military systems,and social and cultural systems,among others systems. In fact, Satan goes to and fro and from walking up and down among them.

    2 - TERRESTRIAL ENVIRONMENT OF THE EVIL SPIRITS LIKE FROGS

    FIRST we need to understand that Israel is an island among the waters (Gentile nations)or in the middle of the sea, as is described above in according the Scriptures. Israel is the earth, a dry land, Genesis 1:v.10-3rd Day-or still the clay- Isaiah 64:v.8-a dry land surrounded by water on all sides or by allegory surrounded by the Gentile nations. Isaiah prophesyed saying: Is.41:1-2 -> 1-Keep silence before me,O islands; and let the people renew their strength:let them come near;then let them speak:let us come near together to Judgment.

    2 Who raised up the righteous man from the east,called him to his foot,gave the nations before him,and made him rule over kings?he gave them as the dust to his Sword- Revelation 2:v.26 to 28-,and as driven stubble to his bow.(bow- Revelation 6:v.2)
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Ezekiel 38: Weaponry.

    The previous post seems to show horses; and old time warfare involving shields and bucklers. There has been some attempt here as with other verses in Revelation to say modern warfare is implicit here. The destruction by fire and hail that seems to relate to the sixth bowl event or perhaps some of the earlier trumpet events still emphasizes God's judgment SPECIFICALLY. It seems more likely these events are from God Himself particularly in light of this passage and others like it.

    And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD.' (Verse 23 at end of Ezekiel 38). There is evidence in verse 21 of people fighting each other; again making an actual sword as a weapon more likely. There are also 1/6 that survive and I believe are submissive and bring captives back to Israel again and are part of the Millennial period. Hence they would NOT take the mark; and that would take away the validity of those who say Antichrist is King of the North. It would appear his part comes after this event when the nations from the North and East invade; although the beginning of that invasion could be with the northern army as to getting his attention.

    ARMAGEDDON.

    Before I continue; I should point out that Revelation 16:12 mentions the drying of the Euphrates NOT the sixth trumpet judgment. I erred in the last post. This would be the sixth angel; the SEVENTH would be the final hailstone and earthquake (may have said sixth in last posts also).

    In any event; we see at this point actual armies being drawn to fight Christ; and it parallels Psalm 2 and doubtless other scriptures. As with Zechariah we see God supernaturally defeating these armies after judging the Beast and False Prophet while still alive with final judgment in the lake of fire. God shortens these days or no man would be saved ( Matt. 24:22).
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Luke 21:12 says But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

    In this study on Revelation; we get to the fifth seal and martyrdom. Examining Luke 21:12 we see that many great signs occur after this event; so we must conclude that it either happens BEFORE the events in seals 2-4 or is discussing further travails in the trumpet judgments. It seems PRIMARILY that the persecution begins at the fifth seal and judging by the martyrs it will continue further into that period; I would argue until just after the fifth Trumpet when the two witnesses are killed and resurrected and when it seems the 144,000 are translated along with the countless multitude. Exact timing of these events is not something I'm focusing on here. What we CAN see is that the death and destruction to come is at least partially related to these martyrdoms even into the bowl judgments. Revelation 16:6 states For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

    Divine retribution to come of course is seen in the sixth seal. Man knows the gig is up and God's wrath as well as that of the "lamb" is coming to pass. Clearly then; the earthquake is seen as a direct judgment of the Lord and perhaps fits into the earlier reference from Luke 21:11.

    Daniel 12:1 states And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

    This verse would SEEM to indicate it is the midpoint of the Tribulation when Antichrist fully is empowered with the mark of the Beast that this greatest trial ever will occur. Thus it would seem the seals precede this event.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Adam.

    Man is incapable of knowing how Holy and Just God is and we're also incapable of knowing how evil man is apart from the restrainer.

    We see a picture of the evil of man in Revelation when the nations take up war against the Lord.

    Also look at the evil condition of their heart here in Revelation 16:9-11 while being tormented.

    Also see Psalms 2:1-12.

    Romans 11:33 states. "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

    God gives life and he can take it!

    The trouble with atheist is that they don't believe God gave life!

    They have no understanding of deity.

    See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

    For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.

    If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me. Deuteronomy 32:39.

    God gives and he takes away.

    God bless.
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    More speculation on the Mark of the Beast

    I heard some years ago that a Pope predicted that the Antichrist would espouse solar power and be an environmentalist; probably Ratzinger but I am having trouble finding the quote. There are many other interesting statments about dangers of humanism and such that that Pope did say; which I agree with despite disagreeing with Catholic theology. In any event; in light of the prophecy in Revelation 16:10-11 and the first bowl being a blister from the sun; I am postulating that the mark could be empowered from solar energy. That would explain the devastation of the darkness on the land that would put an end to any sort of communication the chip would offer (if that is the mark).

    It is clear now that all medical records could be for a person in such a database; but I believe that there will be a genetic change to the DNA of the beast as part of what makes a person unredeemable. Also I would expect some sort of "high" similar to a drug that electric impulses or some magnetic energy would give to someone that would give them an addictive high. No doubt any food will be in short supply the entire 2nd half of the Tribulation; so these people will be doped up somehow. Once this feeling is suddenly cut off; that will allow the level of desperation to escalate to where the demons released in Revelation 16:13 will have total control.

    We need only to see the rapid decline from the first seal when people will have some sort of false worldwide peace the end of the Tribulation to see how fast men can fall. This can in some ways be compared to the time of Creation and the original fall of man until today; or even how fast people went from Palm Sunday and adoration of Christ to the behaviors less than a week later at the Crucifixion. There is no peace for the wicked at any time as stated several times in Isaiah; and repeated as to no desire for peace in many other verses. Luke 3:7 was in Christ's time but applies today.
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    The Tribulation: Final reckoning.

    In my last post I discussed what could be described as the lust of the eyes in 1 John 2:16 along with the lust of the flesh. The last part of the verse is involved with the pride of life. That certainly could cover covetousness; greed and materialism. There are two things to watch for here beyond our own hearts; there is the endless routine of daily activities; buying; selling; marrying and given in marriage which are said to characterize a day when the Lord arrives suddenly (see Matthew 24:38). There is nothing wrong with such activities; as we are told to be productive on earth as well as to be fruitful and multiply. But it is making this the whole meaning of our existence which is dangerous; rather than giving thanks for all blessings the Lord has and realizing that He "gives and takes away." ( Job 1:21). Keep in mind that came from Job AFTER his first wave of devastating losses.

    The second thing is the spiritual forces in the demonic realm that are constantly seeking to drive us away from our steadfastness in Christ and be rendered ineffective at spiritual warfare. Please understand carefully what I am about to say-a TRUE believer ALWAYS recognizes the Lord's presence (His sheep hear His voice: ( John 10:27). Other spirits can overwhelm us with desire or temptation but they give themselves away because of the cost involved in following; they are found through wisdom as promoting sin and rebellion as we are exhorted in ( Proverbs 5:1-3 and sequential verses).

    When we see the end result of demonic persuasion in Revelation 16:13 leading men to Armageddon a few chapters later we realize along with the Mark of the Beast that no one who is a nonbeliever will follow the Lord; all will follow Antichrist ( Revelation 13:8). The enemy if he cannot kill us physically or spiritually can certainly render us ineffective and trap us in sin if we are not careful. He will steal and destroy if he can't kill if God allows.
  • Oseas - 2 years ago
    About 2,000 years ago, in about the last days or about the last week, week 70 Daniel 9:27, JESUS warned: Matthew 24:6

    6 And you will hear of wars and RUMORS of wars: take heed that you be not dismayed: for all these things must come to pass, but the END is not yet.

    The testimony of my Lord JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy:

    In LITERAL fulfillment of JESUS prophecy as above and for this current time, we see:

    War between Russia and Ukraine;

    War between Israel and Gaza;

    Rumour of war between Venezuela and Guyana;

    In fact, neither Biden nor the Americans want any more fights': what would be the US role in the crisis between Venezuela and Guyana? Well, my Lord JESUS is in command of the History from now on, and He will make to happen what needs to continue LITERALLY fulfilling what He preached for the last Day, that is the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium.

    Be careful and get ready

    My Lord JESUS also said There will be also war against three unclean spirits like frogs.(Why frogs?) - Revelation 16:13-15:

    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs (a satanic trinity) come out of the MOUTH of the dragon, and out of the MOUTH of the Beast (Beast of sea- Revelation 13:1-10), and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet(false messiah- John 5:43-47 combined with Revelation 13:11-18, among other biblical references).

    14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great Day(the LORD's Day) of God Almighty-(the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium).

    15 Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. BEHOLD, I come as a thief.

    Be careful and get ready

    If the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?1 Cor.14:8

    Do you know the hymn "When The Trumpet Of The Lord Shall Sound"? Hear it.

    GOD BLESS
  • Oseas - 2 years ago
    Correction:

    source at the end of the post is Revelation 16:13-15 which was not mentioned in the post.


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