Discuss Revelation 14 Page 9

  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    Thank you Joe. I think the Bible is clear, but Christians are afraid to accept reality. Back in the 60's and 70's we talked about these things. But we were severely chastised and disciplined for deviating from "Orthodox" doctrine. Churches are set up so you can't question current beliefs. The Pastor goes up to the Podium, tells you what you have to believe and there is no opportunity to challenge anything s/he says. Sunday School isn't much better. And Adult Bible Studies also suppress discussion of some issues. Most people are not even interested or prepared enough to form opinions. And once the Pastor leaves the Pulpit, s/he is not accessible for discussion. In my opinion, churches should give those in the audience an opportunity to raise questions. But of course, time is limited and we are always told we can discuss that at another time. So, everything is left to the academics and whatever they say, is what we must believe.

    However, and in spite of that, we must continue to support each other as a testimony to the world of what Christ has done. Perhaps in a perfect world things would be different. Jesus is Lord!

    Anyway, thanks for your comment.
  • Joe - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    Very well said Carlos! This unites religion and science which is so much more important rather than placing the two at odds.
  • Greg - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 6 years ago
    Jesse,

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    I believe that we are then given information concerning when the Holy Spirit might speak through us as well as how we are to prepare for it in Mark 13:11

    "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost."

    I believe this applies specifically to the end times, but it can also be applied in a general way to the trials and tribulations a person endures throughout their own life, and their desire, or lack thereof, to seek Jesus; similar, in a sense, to your point of view.

    Persecution of God's people has never ended since the Fall of Adam. There is, thank God, only one Great Tribulation for mankind to have to go through.

    Concerning your understanding of Greek, I am sorry if I sounded condescending. Being zealous has never seemed to help my cause, nor has my built in northeast sarcasm.

    Concerning Judas, (and for anyone for that matter), I would rather error on the side of the power of repentance and forgiveness, and again lean on Scripture concerning him being sorry for his actions and taking steps to repair the offence ( Matthew 27:3)

    If I am able to make up for an error against my neighbor, I hope that I would make every effort to do so while I am still in this mortal body. James 2:14-26, Revelation 14:13, etc.

    Thanks again Jesse for your time.
  • Amber Asher - In Reply on 2 Esdras 16:69 - 6 years ago
    This verse is referring to The Great winepress of GOD spoken about in Revelation. 11:20

    69

    And they that consent unto them shall be had in derision and in reproach, and trodden under foot.

    See Revelation 14:14-

    Harvesting the Earth and Trampling the Winepress

    14 I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16 So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested. 17 Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18 Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, "Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth's vine, because its grapes are ripe." 19 The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God's wrath. 20 They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.
  • Thomas Jones on Revelation 20 - 6 years ago
    And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth : Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours : and their works do follow them. Revelation 14:13. All we need to do is live with Jesus Christ by keeping His commandments. If we live in the Lord we will die in Him. No confusion at all.
  • Mishael on RFID Chips - In Reply on Revelation 14:11 - 6 years ago
    Facts about RFID chips to help you understand the truth and the realities behind them.

    There is NO mention of mandatory RFID implants in the AFFORDABLE CARE Act, but there WAS mention of data collection from class II devices in an early version of the law (HR3200). Read online.

    RFID chips are real, and there is more than a decade's worth of legislation about their use.

    Georgia, California, North Dakota, Wisconsin, and Virginia have all passed legislation that prevents mandatory RFID implantation.

    RFID chips don't have to be implanted. For instance, they can be put on credit cards or animal tracking collars.

    The FDA has shown some RFID implants to be safe for implantation in humans. A version of the RFID chip is currently in use as an animal tracker, either implanted or used in a detachable collar. These are used to track household pets and monitor endangered species. RFID chips are currently in use in ankle bracelets or wrist TAGS to track both vulnerable newborn babies and make sure they are only taken out of a hospital by their families.

    While the ACA doesn't allow for data collection from class II devices, it does contain wording about electronic data collection to improve the quality of care and better coordination between doctors including SEC. 3015. DATA COLLECTION; PUBLIC REPORTING.

    It is reasonable to think that, in the future, RFID chips will be in more widespread use. They could be implanted or be used in identity cards, alert bracelets and such. Not only could implanted chips monitor your health status if you were diabetic or prone to seizures, but they could be used as GPS, a means to transfer currency, cell phones, computers, etc.

    BEWARE of Government MANDATES. See if your State has legislated to Prevent unlawful tracking for now.

    The Holy Spirit told me, each individual would have to Consciously CHOOSE to get the Mark; worship the Beast.

    Just don't get it on the HAND OR THE FORHEAD.
  • Jane on Revelation 14:11 - 6 years ago
    How close is the enforcement of mark of the beast?
  • Ann Hering - In Reply on John 5:43 - 6 years ago
    Paul is the only ONE in The Word of God that says, "Behold, I shew you a MYSTERY."

    The Tribulation is a prophesied event for ISRAEL.

    The Rapture is a MYSTERY for The Body Of Christ!

    Jesus Christ reveals to Paul a NEW program.

    Paul has a NEW Gospel in this Age of GRACE 1 Cor 15:1-4, believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins, was buried and rose again, and we are SAVED all by grace through faith in that alone!

    The Body of Christ has to be out of the way so that God can resume His prophetic program with Israel called The Tribulation.

    Paul tells us The Body of Christ is saved from the wrath to come.

    Romans 5:9

    Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

    The Tribulation Gospel is NOT going to be good!

    Revelation 14:7

    Saying with a loud voice, FEAR God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his JUDGMENT is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

    NO MORE GRACE in The Tribulation!

    The Body of Christ SAVED today by The Gospel Of GRACE will be Raptured and then God deals with ISRAEL with The Tribulation with the everlasting Gospel.

    The Rapture for The Body Of Christ and The Tribulation for ISRAEL; TWO Completely Different Programs for TWO Completely Different groups, with TWO Completely Different GOSPELS!
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    Page 2.

    And who is the Tree of Life? None other than Christ.

    Yes, there is an element of symbolism, allegory and metaphor in Genesis 1-3. And the 2 Trees were representative of something other than trees. Likewise, the 24 hour a day creation is also misunderstood. Days are Phases, Stages of creation, not literal 24 hours. If all God did was say, let there be light, and poof, everything came into being, what did He do with the rest of the 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds? The element of literal hyperbole is indisputable. But most Christians are afraid to admit it. Read Heb 3-4 for a better understanding of the duration of the 7th Day.

    With respect to the 7th Day, Heb 3-4 says God designated a time called 'Today' during which we have the opportunity to enter into God's Rest. And what is God's Rest? On the 7th Day God rested from His creative activity. Now it stands to reason, that if we are able to enter God's rest, He has not resumed His creative activity. But once Christ returns, that will be the end of God's rest. At that time, God will destroy the earth with fire, 1 Peter, and He will create a new heaven and a new earth.

    So, if we are still in the 'Today' of the 7th Day, is the 7th Day a 24 hour period? Clearly not if God had resumed work on the 8th Day, since His rest would have been over. But God has designated this 'Today' a long today, so that He can Save as many as are written in the Book of Life. He is not willing that any should perish and for Christ to enter the world to accomplish that Purpose.

    But if the 7th Day can be 6,000 years long, is it inconceivable that Day 1 could be 1, 2, 3 Billion years old. And the others? How long did it take for animals to procreate and trees to grow and streams to flow and the dry land to appear? How long between Adam and Eve? How long did they walk in the Garden with God? Symbolism in the Genesis account, doesn't mean Genesis is untrustworthy. It means God told the story using allegory and metaphor.
  • Carlos Ramirez Trevino - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    You have shared a lot of deep insight to think about. Thanks, Chris.
  • Carlos Ramirez Trevino - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    Good stuff, Mishael.
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    Carlos, in answer to you, my sense is that, like most things about us, God just leaves us alone & we go about our daily lives, whether in the midst of problems in the home, Church, or society. To believers, it serves to remind us to get back to His Word, to reacquaint ourselves with God's Standards & Requirements, thus a 'spiritual' Church should take note & rectify problems & divisions. The 'carnal' Church will still go on about their business doing what they believe is right & God-honouring, giving little regard to what the Scriptures actually teach.

    I think that 'denominations' were inevitable as the Church moved further away from apostolic teaching. Interpretations of Scripture, even the fusing of OT practices into the Church (incense, robes, chants, etc.), would undoubtedly creep in as men looked to their own wisdom rather than the Wisdom in the Word. Looking at the Church with human eyes, one could wonder why the Lord would have any further dealings with us anymore. Except for that singular fact: His Own Son's Blood was shed for the Church & only faith in that finished Work alone, would secure the desperate soul to salvation & glorious eternity. Thus it is heartening to understand that ultimately God can only be our Judge, & that judgement based on one's saving faith in His Son, & nothing else.

    Carlos, I still have our other 'unfinished' matters before me - don't despair!
  • Mishael - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    Doesn't the variety of religions remind us of the Tower of Babel, sorta, kind of?

    God confused the one language into Many. Everybody moved away so they could hear only their language?

    See that's humans for you. They all want some unique way to hold Church and attract new visitors. All people want to have it their way.

    Anyone can go online now and read the tenets of that Church's faith. What they believe. If it doesn't match up to the Bible, don't go there. If the church has skinny "sheep" then they aren't being fed on the Word of God. If they don't have wool, then they're being fleeced by false shepherds.

    We have a grave responsibility to search these things out!

    We attend church to obey God.... because we love Him and He wants us to learn about him. Somewhere it says that if the stall is "full", that's a happy barn; a balanced diet.

    Don't put the full responsibility on the Pastor to feed you!

    We are to be having family Bible night at home too. Kids will never walk away from God if his love and nurturing is at home. There are many "justice league" kind of heroes in scripture. Jesus slipped in and out of crowds when it was necessary; being chased by Pharisees & legalists. Paul is running from them, Romans and all manner of hazards. What does that teach? Saul chased King David for years and couldn't kill him. If you are hidden in Christ you can achieve amazing victories.

    Children know none of these amazing stories, these days. The Bible was removed from schools in 1962. Jesus was kicked out, along with the 10 commandments. LOOK AT WHAT OUR SOCIETY HAS BECOME.

    One old lady atheist did that.

    Does anyone have a testimony of what Jesus did for them this week???

    Maybe God would like to hear it too??

    The kids love tunes by Carman on youtube, like: Yahweh; Yo Kids album; he loves ministering in song to kids :D. I used to go to the same church he went to. Kids set on fire for Jesus. It can happen again folks.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    Your comments are enlightening. Why does God allow so much friction in the Church? Why so many denominations?
  • Angeline - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 6 years ago
    Hi brother, Greetings to you!

    This is with regards to your comment on the Sabbath. Right from the creation, God has set apart one day as the Holy Day, A day of rest. He sanctified the Sabbath day, which is the seventh day of the week and not any other day or all the days of the week. We can also see from the commandments written by God Himself to Remember to keep the Sabbath Day Holy; Six days you shall work but the Seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord Thy God( Exodus 20:8-11); It is a covenant sign between God and His Children( Ezekiel 20:20).

    However, most of our Fellow Christian friends worship God on the first day of the week, which is merely man made and that day has neither been considered as a day to worship nor God has changed the day of worship from Saturday, the 7th day of the week to Sunday, the first day of the week.

    Jesus, while He lived on this earth, kept the Sabbath and went to the church on Sabbath days as His custom was( Luke 4:16). Jesus even said, in Matthew 5:17 that He has not come to destroy the law or the prophets but to fulfill. Jesus also said, if you love Me, keep My commandments( John 14:15). So, its very plain and simple, if you love Jesus, Keep His commandments.

    As we live in the last days, there is going to be a time where we all are going to face a testing time with regards to the day of worship. All the end time prophecies as mentioned in the book of Revelation are fulfilling and soon, Sunday law is going to be enforced globally. The Question is whether we are obedient to God's law by observing the Bible Sabbath or following the man made commandments( Revelation 14:12) These are explained definitely not to scare anyone; but the Scripture says, Whoever obeys His words are going to receive the seal of God and the others the mark of the Beast.

    The beautiful part is, we are going to observe Sabbaths in Heaven as well!( Isaiah 66:23). So, why don't we start right here on earth! May the Holy Spirit lead you to His truth. Amen.
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    Carlos. Those were great & pertinent comments - I agree wholeheartedly with you about the Church's condition & hypocrisy that often permeates its being. False teaching, leading humble, enquiring souls into damnation, also remains the order of many a so-called Church. We do have clear Scripture on our behaviour as believers & as a Church meeting together, but if any choose to think or do things in opposition, it is ultimately to be left with them as they only are answerable to both God & conscience. Their salvation nevertheless, based on faith in Christ's finished Work, remains secure. The 'keeping of the Sabbath' is a particularly nasty one: fusing the Law with Grace, is what the apostles had to constantly grapple with.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    Jesus is Lord!
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    Chris and Bethany, I hope I do the Christian Faith justice with my comments. There are so many differing points of view on so many things. Am I far off when I say there are insulated Christian Cultures that base their existence on rules of their making, by emphasizing vague passages in the Bible to justify their control? Take the Amish and Quakers. Isn't that a glaring example of what I mean? Or Adventists. Good people all of them, but from my perspective, they have issues. Of course, there are also JW, Mormons and others most might not even think of as Christians. But then there are those within mainstream denominations that insist certain things must be done a certain way or else, you are not saved.

    The way women dress is particularly emphasized in many groups. My aunt, for example, was told to leave the church because she cut and colored her hair. Some say it is a must to observe the Sabbath, but all they do is have their Sunday Service on Saturday. They don't really observe all the rules attached to keeping the Sabbath. They can't. Others claim you must not eat meat, drink coffee, beer, or smoke. Mormons won't even drink Coca Cola. I could never be a Mormon just based on that one rule. Others won't accept gays in their congregations, but will allow adulterers and hypocrites to preach a Sunday sermon or lead the Choir. This, by the way, is not a list of complaints. They are just my observations.

    My message is that we tend to focus on the petty and inconsequential and miss the real meaty stuff. So what should we be focused on? The Gospel. Joy, not reprisal. Appreciation of others, in spite of their shortcomings. And the fact that we must prepare for the End Times. Are most Christians prepared for persecution? What will we do when churches are forced to close? Or when we have to meet in secret? And when killing Christians becomes the norm? When we can't shop? Are we prepared? Jesus warned us in Matt25. Be prepared. Will the AntiChrist be the Muslim Mehdi?
  • Alex on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    comments on matthew 13 kjv Jesus tells us this parable of the Sower and his seed is the greatest parable, the most important that we understand. He said know ye not this parable HOW then will you KNOW ALL PARABLES. The parable of the sower is about being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the Word of GOD. Ya have to see it as the seed of the bridegroom sown in our hearts then ya see the CHILDREN of the kingdom, the son of man, mankinds fruit unto God via the good seed the words of the new covenant that God wants to sow in our hearts.I will put my words/seed in their hearts and minds, I will Know them ALL from the least to the greatest impling a heavenly birth via his seed etc. Jesus said that this seed is gonna result in a child in us th good seed are th children of the kingdom not a flesh and blood child but a spritual Child that which is born of the spirit is spirit thats the Child the H.G. ( That which is born of the spirit is the H.G. ) 1 st comes the child, 30 then the son, 60 then the fullness of the son in the GODHEAD 100 % KINGDOM IN THE SPIRIT. That new born that desires the sincere milk of the WORD is the H.G. our new innerman that new creature that has to be born in us via HIS HEAVENLY SEED th WORD, Jesus came forth as 1st a child 30 then the son 60 then the fulness of God in the son 100 % KINGDOM OF GOD came unto us as a seed sown in MARYS WOMB.But now its our hearts that is the womb where that good seed is gona be sown resulting in a birth of Christ in us.My lil children of whom travail in birth till Christ is formed in you,that good seed is gona form a baby king in US which is the H.G. Thats y the woman is giving birth she heard the word that good seed and kept it resulting in a birth and this is the best example of FAITH when a woman is pregnant she has the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen th child ( the H.G. ) in our case, B/C i have spoken these words/seeds sorrows have filled your hearts a pregnancy a CHILD. GB
  • Mishael On Romans 11 on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    I wish we could come to some kind of truce about how much trouble Israel has heaped upon themselves for allowing Jesus to be crucified?

    It was PROPHESY. It all happened as the Godhead Wrote it. Through Jesus's suffering He set the new Covenant in motion until the mystery be completed: until the fullness of the Gentiles.

    Rom. 11:11 ...have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather..through their fall...salvation is come unto the Gentiles (WHY?) for to provoke them (the JEWS) to jealousy.

    For if the casting away from them be THE RECONCILING of the WORLD...what shall be the the RECEIVING of them be...but life from the dead?

    Verse 26: And so ALL Israel SHALL BE SAVED

    Verse 27: For this is MY COVENANT unto them (Israel) , WHEN I shall take away their sins.

    Verse 28: As concerning the gospel (birth, life, death, resurrection of Jesus) They are enemies (now) FOR YOUR SAKES (us).

    BUT as touching the election, they are BELOVED for the fathers sakes (plural) Deuteronomy 9:5.

    They're OUT now and we are IN. God did that all by Himself. Didn't need any of us to debate the soundness of His Decision. Why indeed should any of us Gentiles shed a tear for 6 million Jews who were murdered? Well, they were on the outs so it's ok?

    Is there anybody who will stop a minute and pray a prayer God asked us to do?

    Psalm 122:6, 121:4, 125:5

    Pray for the peace of Jerusalem (not a suggestion)

    God is not willing that any of us perish but that we'd all come to repentance: which means to turn around and walk away from what's holding us back. Backsliding simply means to stand still and go nowhere.

    Forgive me for saying this, but there are people coming in here who need help.

    TITUS 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, genealogies, and contentions and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

    God show us your heart always, and to esteem others with meekness and friendship.
  • Mishael on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    Only the Father knows the day of the Rapture.

    When is the fullness of the Gentiles complete? Romans 11:25-36

    Matthew 24:36, 42, 44

    Mark 13:32

    Acts 1:11

    And now a reminder: Ecclesiastes 12:9-14
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    Carlos, just a quick follow up on my comment: I just saw your comment to Bethany, re: 1 Tim 2:12, so I can appreciate maybe the "control over others" issue you raised. I won't comment on that other one to Bethany here, as it will make this thread ambiguous, nor will I comment on it over there, but I'm sure it will appear in this thread in due course.
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    Carlos, I heartily agree with your comments brother (as I usually do, though squeezing in some subtle reservations, if I may!). So here we go: I realize that there will always be those who seek to bring believers back into bondage to sets of rules which are unnecessary, unbiblical & burdensome; and these are enforced to bring its adherents into a position of bondage, clothed in the garb of Scriptural mandate & "being of one mind & belief". Sometimes, such rules are not altogether wrong, but if they produce exclusivity & alienation from other 'believers', which again is not in God's Plan, then we must be warned.

    However, you do not specify in what ways some are using "the Bible as a Book of Rules through which to control people". I know the matters of Church conduct, whether in dress, speech, usage of spiritual Gifts, etc. have come up here & I certainly have shared in some of them, but as much as I believe that these topics are not dealt with, either within the Word or amongst believers, in an authoritarian manner, I suspect that some might find a strict adherence to such matters concerning & not in line with the freedom we have in Christ. In my input in this Discussion space, I always ensure that my comments are biblically based (with references where needed), & so it is then a matter of correct 'dividing of the Word' that comes to the fore. Yet, there can still be room for objection in this, & I think that is where the matter lies: is one being too legalistic or judgemental by stating the facts laid out in Scripture? Or, at which point does the biblical mandate become open to more relaxed/liberal views? And then, who decides on this point, or do we leave the matter open-ended & a sense of a 'do what you feel is best for you'. And a further point: should we have a swipe at the apostles, who in the main, have so directed us?

    Anyway, just a few thoughts that come to mind; & these of course, may well be off the mark to your purpose in writing.
  • Bob Hilt - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    Trinity is not a Bible word, but Godhead is.

    1 Thess 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (Paul says spirit and soul and body)

    Isaiah 10:18 - And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth. (Body and Soul different)

    Matthew 10:28 - Jesus said: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ..........destroy both soul and body in hell.

    Isaiah 26:9 - With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. (Soul and Spirit are different)

    Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    .... dividing asunder of soul and spirit, (the word of God divides the soul and spirit)

    so the Bible ALONE teaches man has a body and a soul and a spirit = 3 parts = 1 man

    Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness

    Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    Genesis 9:6 - Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

    So IF one man is Body, Soul and Spirit which is 3 parts and God made man in HIS IMAGE

    How many parts is God? 3? a Godhead? or trinity?
  • David k Gill on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    What the bible says about the trinity
  • Alex on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    comments on Carlos's posts about Noah's flood. Carlos th flood was just an allegory of another flood coming in the spirutal realm.Isaiah says that knowledge shall cover the earth as the waters cover the seas. A spritual flood of his spirit is gonna cover the earth meaning mankind. Everything in the O.T. was just simbolic of something coming in the N.T. TH FUTURE under a new covenant.Jesus said outta of their bellies shall flow Rivers of living water but john said this water is just simbolic of his spirit ( the H.G ETC. )THE H.G was not yet given simple b/c jesus was not yet glorified this Glorification is the flood coming on all humanity. As Joel said he wd pour out his spirit on all flesh ( THE FLOOD ) God so loved the world etc.And the latter rain doctrine is also of a rain/flood coming that will flood the world,much greater then the former rain th early Church doctrine /flood. Even Paul said when that which is perfect is come that which is done in PART will be done away with. Early church doctrine was all in parts as paul said, we know in part etc. In rev. it says he will lead us to fountains of living water, water without limit a deludge a flood etc Whosoever will let him come and drink of the waters of life freely this is the 2 nd flood that is gonna destroy our carnal minds his enemy ( satan ) as his house is our body but now satans defiles this house. Outta of the hearts of man proceeds all manner of evil thus we need a new heart and a new spirit which will come via his Word ( His SPIRIT that will flood this earth) that good seed etc the seed of the kingdom etc John saw the kingdom coming via a River, a Flood ( that River of life ) Also Daniel saw the kingdom coming via a River of life . That spritual Flood that is coming in th last day.gbu
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    As I read some posts in this venue, I notice many use the Bible as a Book of Rules through which to control people. Many even use it to subdue church members into a submission that robs them of the liberty we have in Christ. Some leaders even use Scripture to set up little kingdoms where they are the rulers and Popes. Congregants are even told to take everything to their pastors for approval and guidance. There are church congregations that will not allow you to be a member unless you commit to a monthly or annual membership fee.

    The Bible is not a Book of Rules. It is the message of God to humanity about what He is doing, why He is doing it and how we can know The Father and The Son in a personal way. It is the Good News about how we can become Sons of God in Christ. It is the way to Freedom from the cement block of evil, sin, death and corruption wrapped around our feet. The Bible is our way to God the Father, not to another prison of restrictive rules and fearful existence.

    The Gospel of eternal salvation and abundant life in Christ allows us to step out of the dark dungeon of repressive sinful habits that made our lives miserable, into the brightness of the liberty of knowing Jesus.

    Don't let anyone try to pull you back into a dungeon of repressive religious mandates that steal the liberty of Christ from you. That doesn't mean you can sin freely, carouse, and live as if there were no rules. There are rules of social, religious and political behavior. There must be order, decency, decorum, proper behavior. Organization is essential to every life endeavor.

    But live in the liberty of Christ. Be human! Live life as a human enjoying salvation in Christ. Don't live life trying to be as impeccable as Angels.

    The Bible is about Christ and God's Purpose Driven Creation. It is about how we can know God and the liberty with which He makes us free from oppression, repression, confusion, depression, addiction, sin and takes us to eternal perfection.
  • Mishael on abortion gay rights on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    In reference to abortion: many scriptures on the unborn. You shall know the Truth and the truth will set you free.

    Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life!

    If humanity doesn't go right into pre-Revelation events, then we are in trouble on many fronts. This generation Aborted their future. Social security, Medicare, etc. will probably go belly up because those future tax payers and voters, were aborted. Already college tuitions are sky high because your fellow class mates were aborted. Now we have a stock market gone flatline or quivering.

    People storm the streets and State capitals to demand that the killing continue. Clueless about how they are going to finance their old age.

    What does a Holy God do about this?

    Gays, Homosexual, transgenders are really clueless about Gods response to that. They don't care...or maybe they do?

    All I know is that in Genesis, He created them male and female, and called it Very Good. There wasn't a maybe in the chapter; or a mistake. Whatever is on your birth certificate is what you are.

    Genesis 2;24-25 is the first recorded marriage between Adam & Eve. See Psalm 45:10 also.

    Genesis 6:4 the evil angels with Satan, married human women and made Giants.

    Genesis 6:6,12, people had managed to corrupt humankind.

    Genesis 6:7 God decides to destroy all his previous creation. He saved a God fearing remnant composed of Noah, his family, and animals on the Ark.

    Genesis 11:Nimrod decides to build the Tower of Babel so he can have his house next door to God so he can flaunt his sin right in Gods face.

    Genesis 11:7. The LET US (triune Godhead), confused the one language into many! Lol

    People moved away to other countries so they could speak only their language. Easy fix for God.

    It's the rock headed people who are sure they can overwhelm God unto giving up.

    I don't think so. God's going to rapture born again people off this rock; and let this rock BURN. 2 Peter 3:10

    Get born again NOW! Repent
  • Dave on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    How old was Jesus when Joseph and Mary were told by the angel to flee with Him to Egypt?
  • Mishael to George - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 6 years ago
    I just typed FASTING in the search box (when you enter the website) and there is a lot of scripture.

    Dedicate the fast to the Lord. When I fast I turn off all media; tv, etc.

    I give up solid food. I drink broth and water; juice. I always heard at church; fast from food and feed on the Bible.

    People with health conditions are totally able To eat soup to protect blood sugar issues. God knows about them.

    Fasting has physical pluses for living a fasted lifestyle. It removes the glue in our guts. The body eats it.

    Don't tell anyone you are fasting. Dress. Don't look wilted. Avoid the phone if you can.

    Do all to the glory of God. Read your Bible. Take notes. Write down anything the

    Holy Spirit shows you or tells you. Also, Satan doesn't want you to fast! He'll have everyone show up at your door wanting BLT's.

    One time when I felt led to fast, it ended up with me avoiding making a huge mistake. I was doing my 7th day. I was blessed! Grateful.

    A lot of people need to go off fasting carefully. Don't eat too heavy. Your body has shut down & needs to awaken gently.


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