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  • Adam - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    Dear Dgjot,

    I noticed your comment about your baptism experience. I too was baptized- I was young and as I grew into adulthood I starting having doubts about how legitimate it was, because I was mostly 'going along' with what family and peers were doing. I also fell away from faith for a short period of time. But I came back and felt compelled to be baptized again and so I decided to be baptized on a church trip to Israel in the Jordan river. I'm grateful for the experience and happy with that decision. So, I was baptized twice. No one ever said you can't be baptized more than once and continually recommit yourself to being a follower of Jesus Christ. Some people do this in marriage as well and I see value in it.

    It's possible you have already done this, but since you didn't mention it, and since you said this has bothered you for 48 years, if you have still doubts and regret about your past actions why not recommit today and be baptized again?

    Also, maybe I'm not understanding something but to me it didn't sound like you did anything wrong. I didn't love myself either when I was younger and certainly didn't love others much nor God, probably. That didn't mean I was opposed to Him, it just meant I was immature and didn't have much self love in order to offer love to others. Maybe you can relate? But if so, I don't believe that's your fault. I think it takes time to mature, to grow and learn how to love ourselves so we have a reservoir of love to share with others, including to Jesus or God the Father. Maybe this opinion will be of some value and I hope it's not unsolicited.

    God bless...
  • Dgjot - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    Jesse - in Reply on Revelation 14

    "I would like to share a couple of things with you. You mention getting saved so I have to assume that you have surrendered your life to Christ and been born of His Spirit."

    At that time, I understood absolutely NOTHING, except that IF I didn't accept Jesus as my Savior- I would go into the Lake of Fire. So I prayed and asked Jesus to be my Lord and Savior. I waited by my bedroom window expecting the golden mantle of Salvation to drop down from Heaven and settle around my shoulders. When that didn't happen, I just had to take God/Jesus at their word. Then I went to the Evangelical church to be baptized (total submersion) in front of the whole congregation. I was a very shy person and loathed to be on display in front of hundreds of people. The pastor dunked me and then when he brought me up out of the water, he asked me.... (putting me in an awkward position)..... [and here the thing I imagined was a snake with it's forked tongue sticking out].... "Don't you just love Jesus?"

    I nodded yes. I lied. I got saved because I was told I had to. I didn't understand the magnitude of what Jesus did for us or what he went through, like I do now. Had I not been put on the spot and could think more clearly, I would have said, "I don't know Him well enough yet to love Him." But, that would have put the pastor in an awkward position.

    So I've been agonizing over this incident for 48 years. I've prayed and prayed about it, begging for forgiveness.

    I'm so tired.
  • Dgjot - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    Thank You, Brother dan.
  • Dgjot - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    Thank You, Earl Bowman.
  • Dgjot - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    Thank You, T. Levis.
  • Dgjot - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    Thank You Jesse, for explaining Hebrews 10:26-31.

    There are so many things I still don't understand.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    Dgjot,

    I would like to share a couple of things with you. You mention getting saved so I have to assume that you have surrendered your life to Christ and been born of His Spirit. If so, you belong to Him. Just as Paul professed himself to be a slave to Jesus Christ, we also are a slaves to Christ if indeed we belong to Him.

    The section you mention in Hebrews Chapter 10 is not talking about a saved person losing their salvation. Those who don't believe in the eternal security of the believer will use Hebrews 10:26 to show that a person can lose their salvation. That's not what it's talking about. It's talking about those Jews who were following along with the teachings, "receiving the knowledge of the truth," but instead of surrendering their lives to Christ, they were turning away and going back into Judaism.

    Those Jews had a very tough decision to make, either denounce Judaism and surrender to Christ, or turn back because it would be much easier for them to do so. If they received Christ as their Savior, their family would disown them, they would lose their jobs, and they would be kicked out of their own temple. That was their dilemma.

    So Hebrews 10:26 is speaking of those Jews who were considering turning back. So the writer is basically telling them that Jesus Christ is the final sacrifice for your sin. If you want to turn away from this gospel message and go back into your system of Judaism, your system of sacrificing for sin, there remains no other sacrifice.

    As far as where you stand, only you know where you stand with Christ. Only you know if you've fully surrendered your life to Him. If you have, your salvation is firm and complete in Christ Jesus. He is the final sacrifice for your sin. He purchased you with His precious blood. It is by His power alone that you are being kept until the day He comes to redeem His purchased possession (You and I). My friend, you have to trust in His promise ( Romans 10:13, John 6:39, 1 Peter 3:5).
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    Philippians 2:12 please notice the similarity in these verses in context Philippians 2:3-4, read Philippians 2:1-15,

    Matthew 25:31-46

    Proverbs 3:1-35

    Isaiah 58:1-14

    Jude 1:1-25

    I have drawn comfort from these scriptures. Jude 1:24-25, 1 Jude 1:21,

    Nahum 1:7 also in context is the bigger picture

    Luke 12:32 Luke 12:1-59

    1 Colossians 1:10-23

    Philippians 1:6

    I hope these scriptures give you a bigger picture that the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY is showing us & are encouraging to you. Many more I wanted to share but deleted & held back to not overwhelm with too much reading all at once.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    Dgjot, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Try to understand that you ARE NOT separate and apart from God, but ONE, you do not exist apart from God.

    NOW:

    Philippians 2: 13 For it is God (the spirit of LIFE and TRUTH IN YOU) that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL AND TO DO his good pleasure.

    He is the ONLY LIFE and he is working to make you that LIFE ALSO. He want FAIL.

    Ephesians 1:11 In whom we also have obtained an INHERITANCE, being predestinated according to the PURPOSE OF HIM who worketh all things after the council of HIS WILL.

    Romans 8:29 For whom he foreknow, he also predestinated to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON, so that he might be the first borne among many brethren.

    Isaiah 14:24 ....Surely as I have thought, so it shall come to pass, an as I have purposed, so shall it stand.
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    You are Very Welcome, Precious friend Dgjot.
  • Brother dan - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    Dear Dgjot,

    Fear not! Walk with Jesus Christ, read and believe His Gospel. Follow HIS commandments and he will guide you to everlasting life!

    None of us will ever be perfect. We must try to follow in Christs footsteps, and when we fall short, we must pray for forgiveness.

    Jesus will be our JUDGE and he tells us in scripture what he will look for in us:

    John 3:5

    "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

    We must believe, and be baptized in Water and the Holy Spirit!

    Revelation 22:12-14

    12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Above, Jesus tells us that we need to follow God's 10 commandments, hopefully in doing so, we will be producing the good works/good fruit as required by Jesus above, in order to enter in though the gates of the city.

    God Bless
  • Dgjot - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    Thank You
  • Dgjot - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    This is some scary stuff.

    Y'know, the more I read stuff like this- the more I think I don't stand a chance of entering heaven

    Yes I know, that Jesus died for all of us. Yes I know, that the redeemed have been washed in His blood.

    Then I read verses like Hebrews 10:26-31:

    26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

    27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

    29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

    30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

    31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    I really don't know where I stand. Back in the days when I first got saved, I was led to believe that just praying "the sinners prayer" once got one into heaven. I thought I was safe. While I may have received the Truth, I didn't understand it. While I didn't do anything really bad like murder or sleep around, I stumbled around in my life trying to figure things out. I may have goofed in a few places. I did murmur a lot because I never received any help. I have no one to blame but myself.

    If one ignores God, God will leave them alone. The Holy Spirit of God sees all, hears all and knows our darkest thoughts and the desires of your heart. We must desire God's Will in our lives. If we don't, everything we try to do on our own will turn to garbage.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    Revelation 7:4-8 12x12=144 specificly of tribes of Israel, Revelation 14:4-5

    However Revelation 7:9-17 gives hope to all others

    Hope that's helpful.
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    Precious friend, sorry to hear about your fear and tribulation; I will pray for you. God has not given HIS 'children' "the spirit of fear, But Of PEACE, and a 'Sound' mind!" ( 2 Timothy 1:7 ).

    Please make sure you know The Scriptures {in the "link" below...} 'Before' you go to the "death you Are Hoping For," As God LOVES you!:

    God's 'Simple' Will: Link
  • Dgjot on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    Wow. I've read the comments and everyone has a different opinion on what is and isn't.

    I get a headache trying to figure out what is and isn't. All I can do is pray that Our Father and His Son, Jesus will keep me from being deceived. I know we're not supposed to be afraid, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't. Satan is the great deceiver and I'm a stupid person, very gullible. I hope I'm dead before the SHTF.
  • Dgjot on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    I still don't understand. Who are the 144,000?
  • Messenger - In Reply on Hebrews 9 - 4 years ago
    Ed on Hebrews 9

    How do you get to heaven?

    You are replying to a comment by "Ed"

    Heaven:

    Matthew 22:14

    Revelation 14:3 144,000 (only taken from the earth Matthew 20:23)

    1 Corinthians 15:42-44

    Revelation 20 (Only one can be president and only a few

    can be co-rulers. when Jehovah/ Psalm 83:18 choses a person...no one can steal that

    away (not family, friends or acquaintances etc.). only that person can decide if they want to receive the invitation of reject it. Mark 10:17-31)

    Earth: Isa. 45:18

    2 Peter 3:13

    Psalm 37:9-11,29,34

    John 5:28,29

    Revelation 21:3-5

    Luke 23:42, 43 (Earth will be a paradise again

    just like the days of genesis 1,2)

    Matthew 11:26-30 (Jesus will comfort those remaining on earth)

    Hope this helps
  • Michael Woelfel on Matthew 24 - 4 years ago
    The wise men of old were diligent to pack up and travel as they did, to see Jesus at his first coming. Contrasting their zeal with Christians today, are we as eager to respond to biblical signs of our Lord's very different second coming event? In his last moments, Jesus pondered this out loud. He asked if he would find faith in anyone: "when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Lk. 18:8. The question was not meant to provoke a brash response, "Of course, I'll have faith!" No instead, we should humbly ask, why does Jesus sound doubtful; why does he vocalize such a question, whether faith would exist in anyone on earth when he returns?

    Does the bible clarify why faith will become difficult? First, the bible warns, major lies will sweep masses of people in wrong directions. We are told, faith in God will become somehow counter-cultural, even splitting up families. The bible's warns of a fundamental global change. Physical money will become useless. Imagine if you cannot buy food for your family. Financial exchange will continue everywhere, but soon only digitally. Maybe a public promotion kicks off virtual cash with a large gift of digital currency to each person who joins the system. "Just take the mark". If your family hasn't eaten in weeks, would you take it? Talk about stress, would another of your family members, to stop the suffering hunger? Read Revelation 14:9, it speaks of eternal torment for everyone who takes the mark of the beast. Pressure against believers will be so intense that many Christians the bible says, will turn and take the damning mark. Their decision will be to their own destruction forever
  • Messenger - In Reply on Philippians 1 - 4 years ago
    RESPONDING TO Victor Anyanwu on Philippians 1 asked...

    An unsaved person told me yesterday he was told "there is nothing like rapture" Is it true?

    You are replying to a comment by "Victor Anyanwu"

    Hello Victor,

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-17

    verse 16: these Dead in Christ shall rise first. for example:

    1. ( John 11:11) Lazarus he died again

    2. ( Acts 7:55,59, 60) Stephen after saying this, he fell asleep in death. (the vision he saw was in heaven)

    3. ( 1 Corinthians 15:6) 500 seen Jesus appear after his death. but some of

    them died.

    4. Some of Jesus apostles died of old age, most died under roman oppression (by the "ad." "c.e." Jews)

    (they were put in prison like Paul as you brought out in Philippians 1), some died in captivity.

    Verse 17: Those alive or remain will like Jesus will go to heaven.

    ( Revelation 14:3/ 144,000). notice the first died. if the second is to be caught up together with them.

    they will have to die from flesh...to be taken from earth. ( Acts 1:9,10; Revelation 20)

    so no... rapture is not a word in the bible. when Jesus was impaled the scripture said

    after that his spirit ( Matthew 27:50 invisible/ john 4:24) yielded up. no human can see the spirit.

    ( Jas. 2:26)

    Hopefully this helps

    Hello Victor,
  • Messenger - 4 years ago
    To Teresa: Romans 7:24; Job 14:14

    1 Corinthians 15:22 says For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

    ( Genesis 3; John 3:16,17;5:28,29; John 17:3)

    Resurrected to earth: ( 2 Peter 3:13)

    Psalm 37:9-11,29,34;

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11

    or

    Resurrected to heaven: ( Revelation 20)

    Revelation 14:3 (144,000); Matthew 7:21

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11

    hope this helps, Thanks
  • Messenger - In Reply on Matthew 27 - 4 years ago
    Luke 23:42,43

    And Jesus said unto (to) him, Verily I say unto thee (to you), To day shalt thou (you shall) be with me in paradise. ("Today" means john 3:16,17. that this criminal will be forgiven by means of his repentance and faith. he will live forever on earth by means of Jesus Christ one for all ransom sacrifice.)

    Paradise is on EARTH:

    Psalms 37:9-11,29,34

    144,000 taken from earth will rule with Christ for 1,000 years

    bringing the earth back to Jehovah's ( psalm 83:18) original plan:

    Revelation 14:3; 20 Chapter

    I hope this helps. Thanks
  • Messenger - In Reply - 4 years ago
    2 Timothy 3:1-7 Saids that we are living in the last days.

    ( Matthew 24 is a Key example of this pattern)



    How can we tell?

    1 This know (Know This) also, that in the last days perilous (Dangerous) times shall (Should) come.

    2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves (Themselves), covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

    3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers (Not open to any agreement), false accusers, incontinent (lacking in restraint or control), fierce (Violent), despisers of those that are good,

    4 Traitors, heady (Rash), highminded (Proud/ Arrogant), lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

    5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power (That is from God) thereof: from such turn away.

    6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts (Various Desires)

    Heaven: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 (Will not inherit); Revelation 14:3 (Redeemed, Saved From Earth)
  • Paul - In Reply - 4 years ago
    Adam,

    The warning to not take the mark is specifically for the 144 thousand sealed saints. They are the only ones strong enough not to take the mark ( Revelation 20:4). God knows everyone else, Christian or not, will accept the mark during the great tribulation. This is human instinct to survive any way possible. Chapter 14 is for the saints.

    ( Revelation 14:9-11)

    9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

    10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

    11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

    There are Bible accounts you accept at face value, and others you don't accept at face value (more to it than meets the eye). If you don't understand who the immediate audience is, you will not gain full understanding. You will think it's directed at you, and say something like "I wouldn't take the mark", when in fact, you most certainly will take the mark. Most Christian's are weak as water and will clamor to take the mark. God knows the hypocrites, Christian's in name only will lose their religion for their bellies. Each claim must be proven in its measure, and this one has problems in its rhetorical design.

    Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - In Reply on Mark 1 - 4 years ago
    Glenn, thanks for your response: "If Jesus is coming here ,. An preparing for our Father to set up his kingdom, in Jerusalem, where is anyone being raptured to ? Where ya going ? I've heard of one rapture,.. but now 3 ? This is very confusing,.."

    Precious friend, actually the confusion disappears when the THREE raptures "are LEFT In God's Contexts, Where HE Placed Them!" Amen? ie:

    PRE-TOJT rapture:

    (1) Body Of CHRIST Departure TO Heaven (Read/study Romans - Philemon) = God's 'Context' is ALL 'Spiritual!' We are not "looking for the man of sin/signs to enter into The Time of Jacob's Trouble." ( 2 Corinthians 5:7); We are "looking, watching, and Patiently waiting For CHRIST, Who Will Present ALL of The Body Of CHRIST, holy and unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, TO His Father, In Heaven, Where we Will Live Forever And Ever! ( 1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22; 1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2) Amen?

    MID-TOJT raptures:

    (2) During The Time {God's 'Context'} of JACOB's {ISRAEL's} Trouble, there Will Be TWO "raptures":

    a) one departure is of the TWO witnesses, killed, resurrected, and taken up ( Revelation 11:1-12)

    b) the other departure is of the 144,000 "sealed virgins of TWELVE tribes ( Revelation 7:1-8) redeemed from the earth," and were "without fault before The Throne of God!" ( Revelation 14:1-5)

    Please refrain from listening to those who "MIX these up" in confusion. And:

    Please Be RichlyEncouraged, Enlightened,Exhorted, and Edified In JESUS CHRIST!

    ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - In Reply on Mark 1 - 4 years ago
    Precious friend, Jesus Ortiz. Note: there are THREE future 'raptures.'

    (1) God's Scriptures for The Great GRACE Departure {rapture} Of The Body Of CHRIST, BEFORE The Time Of Jacob's Trouble:

    1 Corinthians 15:51-57

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

    2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 "falling away" = THE Great GRACE Departure "away from earth"

    God's Scriptures for departures {raptures} DURING The Time Of JACOB's TROUBLE:

    (2) Revelation 11:1-12

    (3) Revelation 14:1-5

    Precious friend, Jesus Ortiz, Please Be RichlyEncouraged, Enlightened,Exhorted, and Edified! ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)
  • Dean - In Reply on Revelation 11 - 4 years ago
    Please do not say that God will "rapture" the church out before the great tribulation, or anytime other than at the end. Does it make sense that at the great tribulation that God seals the saints on earth against anti-christ's rule, while "rapturing" out sinners because we profess to be Christian's? You are appointed one death. Do you think God would "rapture" billions of Christian sinners, and leave His elect to battle to the death with anti-christ? That notion is absolutely preposterous, non-Biblical and has zero chance happening. You are conflating doctrines with man-made ones that have no merit. You didn't study it let alone think it through.

    The first resurrection ( Revelation 11:12) takes place at the seventh trumpet when the mystery of God is finished. "Raptured" Christians are not part of the army (saints) standing on the hill with Christ, they are no where to be found in Revelation 14:1. If you were "raptured" where did you go that you're not part of God's army? Misleading people about a pipe dream has drawbacks in the eyes of God. Stop perpetuating a popular, yet unsubstantiated lie through false faith and poisonous divination. Christian's that think too highly of themselves will be greatly disappointed when darkness comes. Both the righteous and the wicked will die like they have in previous wars. Know the order, and realize your place according to the grand scheme.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 4 years ago
    Sister Melody, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    God is SPIRIT.

    Christ is SPIRIT (God) with a (glorified) BODY.

    SPIRIT is TRUTH (cannot be deceived).

    SPIRIT is LIFE (cannot die).

    WE are FLESH.

    FLESH is against (anti) SPIRIT.

    FLESH is against (anti) TRUTH.

    FLESH is against (anti) LIFE.

    Christ came as FLESH, Christ died; and with his death ALL FLESH DIED, Christ (through the power of SPIRIT was resurrected), when he was resurrected ALL FLESH was resurrected (most are dead in UNBELIEF (trespasses) not knowing TRUTH.

    The wages of sin (UNBELIEF) IS DEATH.

    The wages of GO AND SIN NO MORE (BELIEF) is LIFE and TRUTH (born of SPIRIT).

    Those that come to know TRUTH (born again of the SPIRIT; which is TRUTH AND LIFE, the first death and first resurrection) will NEVER DIE they will leave this BODY of FLESH and be given the (glorified BODY of CHRIST).

    John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven.

    Christ (Spirit, Truth, Life) is IN YOU. You are the NEW HEAVEN.

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven.....

    Revelation 21:3 ...Behold, the (temple, Christ is the temple) tabernacle of God is with (WITHIN) men..

    Revelation 21:22... for the Lord God almighty and the Lamb are THE TEMPLE of it.

    Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery.... CHRIST IN YOU ....

    1 Corinthians 3:16 ....ye are the temple (ONE IN CHRIST) of God (SPIRIT).

    Truth (Good)(Spirit) overcomes deception (Evil) (Flesh).

    Truth will make you a full brother to Christ. SPIRIT with a (glorified) BODY.

    Luke 20:36 Neither can they die ANY MORE (you died with Christ); for they are equal to the angels (MINISTERING SPIRITS), and are the children of God (Spirit, truth, life), being the children of (CHRIST'S) resurrection.

    Revelation 14:13 Blessed are they which DIE IN THE LORD (Spirit, Truth, Life) from henceforth....
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 years ago
    Earl,

    The word torment used in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is the Greek word BASANOIS. The meaning from Greek to English would pretty much be the same as what we would understand torment to be. Whether it is mental anguish or physical torment, I think it can be both. It seemed to be both for the rich man. He seemed to be in a state of mental torment knowing that his family members (brothers) would soon be in this same place unless someone went to warn them. We also know that he was in physical torment, wanting the tip of his tongue to be cooled. Can you imagine that? Here is a man in physical torment and all he asks is for the tip of his tongue to be cooled. He didn't ask for someone to throw him a rope so he could get out!

    We also know that there is a place of eternal torment called the lake of fire. To tell you how the word torment is used in other verses would take a tremendous amount of time and space. That's a huge favor. I don't mind sharing my understanding with you but I'm not sure I want to tackle that one. The short answer is that the word torment means pretty much the same in English as it does in Greek.

    For the rich man in Hades, he's still in torment. One day he will be released, judged at the Great White Throne Judgement, and then cast into the lake of fire, a place of eternal torment.

    Sorry I couldn't give you more. If you want the verses to look them up, here are the ones I found:

    Matthew 8:29, Mark 5:7, Luke 8:28, Luke 16:28, 1 John 4:18, Revelation 9:5, Revelation 14:11, Revelation 18:7, Revelation 18:10, Revelation 18:15
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 4 years ago
    Precious Cowboy, no need to be sorry, thanks for stating your view. According To The Scriptures, The Age Of God's GRACE Has NOT Ended yet, With God removing ALL of HIS "ambassadors" ( 2 Corinthians 5:20) To Heaven, BEFORE Declaring War/Judgment/Wrath on an UNbelieving world. The Body Of CHRIST has Already had almost 2000 years of tribulation, but will BE COMFORTED At The Great GRACE Departure To Glory ( 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18). Amen? HIS Gospel Of GRACE Will End so that the Everlasting gospel of the kingdom can be preached during the "Time Of Jacob's {ISRAEL's} TROUBLE":

    Which Gospel Makes Way For Which Gospel?

    In The Revelation Of The MYSTERY, Paul preached The Gospel of GRACE, Which Is:

    JESUS CHRIST, The SON Of God, Freely Gave HIS Life As A Sacrifice For our sins. HE Was Crucified, Buried, And Rose From the dead on the third day! ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-4). Paul wrote in ( Galatians 1:8) that if anyone, Including "AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN, ... preach any Other gospel unto you than That Which we have preached unto you, let him Be ACCURSED!" Thus we know that this present predominantly Gentile church Must Be Removed {PRE-TOJT} to Allow the worldwide preaching of the gospel of the kingdom that Paul did Not preach to us...

    Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

    ...Making Way For HIS [Everlasting] gospel of the kingdom!:

    JESUS Said in ( Matthew 24:14) "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." The gospel of the kingdom was "... Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!" ( Matthew 4:17).

    When The MYSTERY Ends, And, God Resumes HIS Prophetic Program, The Everlasting gospel of the kingdom Will be preached by 144,000 "sealed" Jews, TWO powerful witnesses, AND, by an angel ( Revelation 14:6)

    Conclusion: How can The Body Of CHRIST "enter Into JACOB's Trouble, with The Gospel Of GRACE," And, this angel NOT "be ACCURSED, preaching a DIFFERENT Gospel"? Amen?


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