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Julie, how have you arrived at the conclusion that 666 refers to or is yhe number of the papacy? Please explain with details so that I understand the process that brought you to this conclusion. I'm not judging, just in search of answers. Thanks :)

You are so right about a pre-trib rapture because after the letters to the churches they are not mentioned anymore.

Greg,

I believe all this will all take place during this future 7-year period. Again, my belief is that the church will not be here during those 7 years. But, for those people who are here, this is what I understand from Revelation Chapter 13. During the first half of the Tribulation Period, the antichrist and his prophet will be unifying the economic, political, and religious systems of the world.

In fact, he will make a covenant with the nation Israel to rebuild their temple. And they will start sacrificing again in their temple. And then about the mid-point of this 7-year period, the antichrist comes in with the false prophet, and he puts his image in the Holy of holies and demands that everyone worship the image of the beast. I'm telling you this so you can see how all this fits together.

At that time, in order for anyone to participate in the economic, political, and religious system of the world, to buy food, and to participate, you have to worship the image. If you worship the image, then you will get the mark of the beast. And that mark gives you the authority to function in the economic and political system of the world. You cannot get that mark unless you join his religious system, and worship the image. There will be a one-world currency, political, and religious system. No one can participate without the mark. People can take the mark which will allow them to purchase the necessities for a short time. But, those who take the mark will no longer have an opportunity to be saved. If you're saved now, you have nothing to worry about.

It is best to commit your whole heart and soul to Jesus NOW. Accept him as Savior and Lord.

You will be with us when we are Caught Up. The line will be drawn in the sand so-to-speak. You don't want to stay behind at that time!

I know it's confusing with people preaching pre, mid, and post tribulation. Don't listen to it. Be ready before all that!!!!!!

Jesus is not going to suffer His Bride to be TEMPTED.

Don't make plans to go through the tribulation.

The Antichrist will have already have the edict in place to announce a one world money system. All currencies will be changed to one. Only accessible by getting the Mark of the Beast. If any nation is in possession of a nuke (?), those may be launched in retaliation. We don't know how it unfolds.

We only know a False Peace, initiated by Antichrist will be employed for a few years maybe and then He will reveal his true plans for humanity. He will wholesale slaughter anyone who doesn't have his mark. Marked people will be programmed to turn in anyone who doesn't have the mark.

You and anyone else reading this, get ready now. BE BORN AGAIN now! Receive the Holy Spirits baptism now.

The woman is the church and the answer if found in Revelation 12

that is the real future of the church. I know many will argue with me, however IF they want to believe the antichrists

in the middle east are the woman, well that is on them. A remnant of them shall come to the Lord at one point.

Zionism is a secular non-religious movement.

King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand

Thank you for getting back with me. I do have another question if

you dont mind me asking ? Its about this system we are dealing with

now. I know I should focus more on God, but I do need information

about what do I do . When they go to a one world currency system,

hope not for a while yet. What do I do as a child of God myself,

but paying rent checks each month . I live in an apartment complex. I

hear we are not supposed to buy things, ect when this comes to pass?

Hello Greg,

Thank you so much for pointing that out. I see where I could have reworded things a little differently. Please allow me to clarify. I believe you might be referring to this: "During this time, I see no mention of the church being on the earth, so I have to believe that we have already been raptured."

When I said "during this time," I was referring to the 7-year tribulation period, with the last 3-1/2 being called the "Great Tribulation." And where I said "I have to believe that we have already been raptured," I meant that we will be raptured prior to the beginning of the 7-year period, not that the church has already been raptured.

Again, thank you for pointing this out. And my apologies if I may have caused confusion.

Hi Jessie , Just a question , If we are already raptured , then why are we still here on earth? There is something I might be missing. Thank you, God bless you.

Hi Jesse I agree with you 100% What we must remember is there is more than one dispensation and for us today we are under Grace. The law has been set aside. After the rapture that calls the Church, The Body of Christ, home then will the dispensation of the law return and then judgment and tribulation upon those who deny Christ. Those of us who have accepted the gift of Salvation through our Lord and Savior have nothing to fear for He has saved us not only from an eternity without him spent in Hell but also from the tribulation yet to come. God Bless!

We are in prediction, God says I am that I am, God Almighty, The Father, The Son Jesus Christ, The Holy Ghost, who will prevail, Amen Amen.

i was puzzled too, thank you Jesse i now get it clearly.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not BLOT blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

this seems plain that our names can be blotted out of the book of life. If it was already written in, it can be blotted out it seems.

Psalms 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Moses pled for the Children of Israel in this instance

Exodus Chapter 32:30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.

31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.

32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are NOT not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Seems not all names are in the book of life.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not BLOT blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Georges, what's so "clear" about it?

I agree with elder Charles, i believe the c/c is in the palm of your hand and the number in your head is the password or numbers

In the hand and forhead

I agree that we are living in some pretty peculiar times right now which we can't help but wonder if we are getting close to the end. We shouldn't let any of this bother us because Christ has clothed us in His righteousness and we are prepared for whatever comes our way. I truly believe that He will remove us before His wrath gets poured out. I find encouragement and comfort from reading Revelation. There are some pretty horrible things listed in Revelation that will come on people when God pours out His wrath. But 1 Thessalonians 5:9 says For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.

God hasn't appointed us to be judged, but rather salvation. So he's trying to tell us "Don't let people come in and tell you that you're in the tribulation period and you're going to have to go through this terrible time.

God hasn't appointed us for that. He's appointed us for salvation.

The book of Revelation should bring you comfort, as it is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and it shows us that the Lord is going to return, and He will judge the unbelieving world. Also, it is the only book in the bible that promises a blessing on those who read it. Keep in mind John Chapter 14 where Jesus said let not your hearts be troubled. He is preparing a place for us, and He will come for us one day.

Hi Jesse

Thank you for your reply, I hoped it would be after the rapture . The book of Revelation has been on my mind lately in the light of all that's taking place in the world today.

Maggie,

I would say that this is after the rapture of the church because I believe in a Pre-Tribulation rapture. The miracles being performed in Verse 14 are being performed by the false prophet in order to deceive those who are on the earth at that time. You have to keep in mind that these people are not saved. They were told not to take the mark of the beast. There were two witnesses warning the people, there were 144,000 Jews who were evangelizing, and there was an angel flying around in mid-heaven for 3-1/2 years warning people not to be deceived into taking the mark. So now they are stuck with a choice, they either heed to the warning to receive Christ and not take the mark, or take the mark, which would forfeit any chance of salvation. But those miracles are definitely going to deceive many at that time. It won't be the church. During this time, I see no mention of the church being on the earth, so I have to believe that we have already been raptured. I'm probably going to be criticized for this belief, but that's my understanding.

I'm puzzled at Revelation 13

Does this take place after the rapture or before?

And I would like to understand verse 14.

Revelation 13:1-8 ...'And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.'

1. IT RISES OUT OF THE SEA - Sea in prophecy represents an area of different people, nations and tongues ( Rev. 17:15). The Roman Catholic Church rose to power amongst the many different nations, people and tongues of Europe. It also has the largest support of people around the world than any other church or religion.

2. NAME OF BLASPHEMY ON THE HEADS - The Roman Catholic Church make blasphemous claims and speak great swelling words which are against God.

3. IT RECEIVES A DEADLY WOUND, WHICH WOULD BE HEALED - The Papal Church of Rome received a deadly wound in 1798 when the French army marched into Rome, taking the pope captive and ending the rule of the Papacy. Then in 1929, the Vatican received state power again which was signed into law by Mussolini.

4. IT MAKES WAR WITH THE SAINTS OF GOD - The Roman Catholic Church killed tens of millions of Christians during it's reign.

I agree cause without it you can't work, buy ect...

He was a murderer since the beginning... The very first murderer in the very beginning was Cain.

5G? That's what I've been finding what could be is making people sick. Who really knows anymore. So much evil the gov as sent out to kill us it's hard to pin point.

When reviewing COVID-19 (January 2020) specifications through local news media, this particular Scripture came to mind. The Webster Dictionary defines Corona as a faint glow adjacent to the surface of an electrical conductor at high voltage. This is radiation in the air basically, and very harmful to humans. Can this electrical current be manipulated to control humans by an individual In these end-times, I suspect it's the silent killer, and the bioengineered pandemic the world is currently experiencing. I'm just a layperson, but tremble to think that someone or something weaponized this virus, blamed it on China, and is laughing at the confused medical world to avoid detection.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the (Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.)



Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through (faith in his blood), to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Jesus forgave sins before he shed his blood, The Son of man hath power to forgive sins.

If we are washed or if we are forgiven its through the name of Jesus. We agree

wisdom and strength through the knowledge of god. grace mercy and peace be unto you all. there is power in the word. it is sharp and cuts both ways. heaven and earth shall end, but his word shall remain for ever, his kingdom shall have no end. goodness and mercy to those who believe and are called to be saints. you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood.It is a real joy to know that we can celebrate these truths of God! Having this confidence ,let us draw near to Him with a true heart, (a pure heart). Looking unto Jesus our author and finisher of our faith.

The messianic Jews knows that the real "Jesus" whose Hebrew name is Yahawashi, is a black man. Else, HOW could He be hid IN EGYPT, form King Herod? Christ was dark skinned, ( Revelation 1,) Moses and Paul were BOTH mistaken for Egyptians..and both of them were not( Acts 21:28-41)..they were calling Jews "Niger" in the Bible. ( Acts 13:1).
The conclusion to the matter is this, EVERY nation of people, yes, including the Amalekites living in Israel today, have had The Most High's Chosen ppl, as slaves ..in Captivity all over the world..Egypt, Persia, Rome, Babylon, USA, the Caribbean, etc. So, What a man sow, that shall he ALSO reap. Revelation 13:10 and Isaiah 14 sums up what goin to happen soon

666 is the papacy. 2 These 2:3,4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Dan 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

I thought that also, that President Trump would become mormon or they would try to rule

Clearly, 666 symbolizes Satan!

God when uncertain time of crisis, please keep everyone safe and everyone respect kind to one another, help the poorly who are suffering. God please protect blind who cannot see, save our disease from the sins, and save the humanity in the world, Amen.