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Who is the True Church that will be Raptured before the Tribulation?

Hello, I think I just answered that. Yahshua isn't English, just like if your name was John it would not be that in other languages, but Juan in Spanish, etc. Why don't we all just agree on one language, one pronunciation, and one spelling of everything that way we'd all be the same- maybe that is the real grievance. Languages were created and confused at the Tower of Babel. You can call Jesus by his name in other languages, but His name is translated to Jesus in English. Jesus already did have a name in English before J and it was Iesus. That was correct at the time when English was closer to Latin. Link There's a good etymology if you search for 'Jesus 8880'

If Jesus was translated into English then why not just use the name Yahshua? After all it was The writings were taken from Hebrew scrolls and translated into English all the letters in the name Yahshua existed in the English alphabet before the letter J

Not trying to debate because the Bible is of no private interpretation the Scriptures interprets It's self precept upon precept.

Hello,

I'm not sure why you bring up the letter J, but I know some people draw false conclusions about it and try to make it mean something else. So, I'll just state for the record that the English language didn't have the letter J in it previously. Language actually changes over time. You can see examples by reading the 1611 KJV and read the actual English which didn't have J. Secondly, languages are different. The USA for example is a different word depending on the language you're speaking. If someone says the name in their own language, it doesn't mean they're lying, but just saying it correctly in their language. Jesus is the translation into English. Sure, you can find other correct names in other langauges and if someone wants to read the original Greek, that's great. But English is the language of the KJV Bible and Jesus is correctly translated. God bless.

The name Jesus: let's go back to when the Messiah was Born, He was to be called Yahsuha this is true because He was Hebrew understand the time we are taking about, the letter "J" did not exist during that time He was a Jew. He came seeking the lost sheep of the house of Israel the 12 lost scattered tribes which is told to us through out the Old Testament. OK Yahsuha Preached from the Old Testament and so did the Apostles you must understand the people the Audience of that time was Hebrew Jews, Samaritans Jews, Latin and Greek speaking people and last but least the Romans, pagan worshipers with their many gods. when Yahsuha was Crucifiy on the stake not the cross Pontius Pilate wrote on the inscription YAHSUHA OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS also the name in Latin and Greek. why Latin and Greek? the Latin and Greek writing didn't spell Yahsuha it spelled lesous and lesus pagan names just as Daniel was given a pagan name while in Babylon captivity. The Most High show us in Scriptures what Satin is doing because he is a deceiver, the father of lies, an angel of light. So Satin takes the name lesus not the Messiah's Birth given name by the Most High GOD because Satin now sees a way that he can be worshiped and become like the Most High, it's what he has wanted all along. So now we have an image that has been set up through the women church called Rome and satin took the name lesus and add the letter "J" 500 hundred years ago and said this will be the worlds savior Jesus with the graven image of the cross which the Most High Commanded us not to make. satin wanted to hide the name that is above all names by which man must be saved. the Bible say's he decieveth the whole world and few their be that find the truth. it's about THE NAME. YAHSUHA means SALVATION Jesus doesn't. the mark of the beast is in your mind to believe a lie that Jesus is the Messiah the Son of GOD and you worship this image of the cross. some people will just not see John told us his name.

Your last remarks:Pilate did release,Jesus Chaptr 13



Answer----------He released Jesus only after he died

How do I know a man from Rome will sit in the temple? The roman empire has to fall and rise 10 times. Today we are in the 10th time and they're preparing to rise again. The roman head is now called the EU.

This is all Revelation 13:1-7 prophecy and Daniel 7 and 8 prophecies. It's a lot to go into and can be confusing. But during the tribulation there has to be a religious ruler and a political ruler.

Sorry we've written novels on here. But it was good talking with you about the Word. Yes, we differ on some things. But hopefully nothing that will get anyone cut off. The basics are keeping The Lord's 10 Commandments and statutes, having faith in Jesus Christ and that should get a person's foot in the door. Working out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Strive to make it in the first resurrection on such the second death has no power. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Without a shadow of a doubt, according to scriptures, no man (human) who has ever lived is in heaven right now except Jesus Christ himself.

And the Lord isn't going to return until immediately the Great Tribulation.

The only place of safety during the Great Tribulation for 3 1/2 years will be in the Wilderness...which the Lord will make sure his people get there safely just like he did in the days of old with the Children of Israel.

I enjoyed the dialogue.

Do not rely on JMO when it comes to the word of God, search the scriptures to find truth. The verses shared tell more than I would even write. If you follow Daniel's prophecy concerning the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7:18-26 and Revelation 13:1-9, then read the history, for prophecy fulfilled is history, you might get an understanding who the antichrist is. Read the history of what brought about the rise of protestantism and how Christians were persecuted and who did this.

All of these verses speak about THE Antichrist. Most Bible Concordances will list



1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Revelation 13:1-18 - And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. (Read More...)

1 John 4:3 - And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (Read More...)

1 John 2:18 - Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Daniel 11:21 - And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

Daniel 7:25 - And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Matthew 24:24 - For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

1 John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Debra, no the Bible doesn't say anything about those numbers you've listed, except for the number you missed: 666. This is found in Revelation 13:18 referring to the number of Man, which relates to the mark of the coming Anti-Christ.

However, thinking further on your plight, I also have something similar happening to me. However, mine is a medical matter with the eyes which I've had since I was a kid: whenever I look at the sky or the ceiling in a room, I see black spots of different shapes & sizes & they all continuously move around. I asked my optometrist about this, & she called them 'floaters', & some people have them. Maybe you need to make an appointment with one to check your eyes for this, as well as your peripheral vision, glaucoma, macula degeneration, etc. & rule out this phenomenon. But I don't see any numbers - that sounds a little weird.

I believe in Covid 19 (which is largely fake), we are in the preparation phase for the tribulation judgments. Of course, this can't be the tribulation since the church is still on earth and not yet raptured, but they are preparing with this pestilence, economic collapse, famine, etc. It's most imperative that all repent and believe in Jesus Christ.

Are you referring to all pre-tribbers? If so, then you are completely off on your description of what I believe. There are many people who will die during the tribulation, who will be beheaded. These are not saved believers. These are those who refuse to worship the beast and take his mark.----- Revelation 13:16 And he causeth ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Upon reading this, and reading some of the comments, how is it concluded that this chapter is talking about a future event or events that have not occurred yet? Show me in this chapter (precepts) or the one before or after if must, that when we get to this chapter, it references future events?

Mike that is very well written. I know we are limited to how much we can write on this forum and thought that I would add this to those wonderful thoughts you posted.

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. a beast rise up out of the sea

Revelation Chapter 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many WATERS waters:

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.

15 And he saith unto me, The WATERS waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

The WATERS waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Comment:

Yes there is. No person who has the Holy Spirit in dwelling, can call Jesus accursed.

They cannot call him Lord either. You have to choose now, whom you will believe.

Mark 3:29

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

James 2:7

Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

Ephesians 4:3

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

1 Timothy 1:20

Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Revelation 13:6

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Mark 3:28

Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Psalms Chapter 139:14-17

I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy BOOK all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!

Comment: God records in a Book: even child that hasn't been conceived yet!

There isn't anything happening in our lives that isn't openly seen. Even the children that didn't live because of various reasons.

God receives them all.

It has been said that children who are innocent and don't know what it is to lie & be deceptive (before age of accountability) will be taken to heaven upon death: all those who died in the womb; those who died as young children; and those who are alive when we are all CAUGHT UP in the clouds to meet Jesus. I don't like to say rapture because it starts fights.

Anyway! Praise God. I'd like to read that book, but it's probably very precious to the Lord.

Parents take your older children to Sunday school. Like us, they must be born again... before The Last Day.

Yes, Bob, that is correct. Jesus died for you. He died also for me. Guess who else He died for? He died for those Jews that Paul mentions in 1 Thess. Chapter 2. I am not going to place any blame on the Jews. You seem as though you have a strong dislike for the Jews for killing Jesus. This is just something I sense, but I could be wrong. It was no surprise to Jesus that He was going to die on the cross. It was no surprise to Him that the Jews would do what they did.

In all honesty, even though He died on the cross, I don't think anyone could have killed Him. Jesus gave Himself freely to the cross for which He came for. They couldn't have taken Him no matter how many people with clubs and swords came to do it. We see that in scripture when the huge crowd armed with swords and clubs came to take Him, and with just His voice, Jesus blew them all over, twice!

My whole point is that Jesus came here for a reason. He came to die our death because of your sin, my sin, and the sins of the entire world, including the Jews! So to try and place the blame solely on the Jews for killing Him, I can't do that when I am just as guilty of sin, and just as guilty of His death as they were. That's why I say I also killed Him. Maybe you won't agree with me when I say this, but I also died with Him!

Pilate did release Jesus. He just released the wrong Jesus!

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No Jesse I did not kill the Lord, he died for me, but I did not kill him.

Paul tells us who killed Jesus.

Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.

Pilate tried to release Jesus, but the priests of the temple threatened Pilate with treason before Rome if he released Jesus.

Concerning Torquemada I noticed you did not bother to read the article in the jewish encyclopedia either.

Murray Redstone does not sound Jewish either until you find his birth name was Rothstein oh his family runs CBS.

Communist leader Lenin real name was Ulanov.

Communist leader Lev Bronstein called himself Trotsky.

The founder of the church of Satan called himself Anton LaVey, some claim Howard Stanton, but his birth name was

really Levy.

Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Leonard Nimoy, Wiliam Shatner, Woody Allen does not sound jewish either.

All I know is if they do not follow Jesus they are cursed as Paul said.

1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

Bob,

Out of curiosity, I looked up this Tomas Torquemada that you told me about. I guess what drew my curiosity was how he was born of a Jewish family with the last name Torquemada.

What I found was that he was born in Castile Spain, and his parents names were Pedro Fernandez de Torquemada, and Mencia Ortega.

Those names don't sound Jewish so I was hoping you might be able to share with me the names of the Jewish family you say he was born of. Thank you for your time.

I did not know about Tomas Torquemada but thank you for sharing that. I'll take your word on that one since you've read the Jewish encyclopedia. It's not "If the bible is right," because the bible is right. It's our human understanding that is flawed. We study the same bible Bob, but when we come to a different understanding of the text, it's always the other person that is in error. Why is that? Can you please answer that one?

Yes, Pilate tried to release Jesus. In fact, he tried to release two people named Jesus at the same time. If you are questioning whether or not I believe the bible is true, I can assure you that I do. A study of church history would show that the papacy (Vatican) was responsible for putting to death many Christians, so I am not placing blame where blame is not due.

Yes, the man of sin will rule from the temple in Jerusalem once he takes over and demands that people worship him, but we're not told where he comes from. Not all Jews deny Jesus as you claim. That is false.



One thing is for certain, in the end when all the armies gather in the Valley of Megiddo to wipe out the nation of Israel, Christ Himself who will come with His armies, His bride, the church, He will destroy those armies. Israel is under God's powerful protection.

Yeshua was used as a title for Jesus long before the King James Bible was written. Jesus is an English transliteration that comes from Yeshua. So whether He is called Yeshua or Jesus, they both have the same meaning, the Lord is salvation. So if someone says Yeshua, they are not denying the King James at all. If I make an absurd claim like "Mary being impregnated by a Roman soldier," by all means, please do correct me!

You say "Maybe we should be happy to be corrected with the Bible?" I agree with that. You've said some things in the past that have contradicted scripture, but I don't sense that you would be too "happy to be corrected" if I were to point those things out to you so I'll just leave it at that!

Jesse Yes Rome did murder many believers. Did you know the Vatican's head inquisitioner in Spain was Tomas Torquemada who was born of a Jewish family. He was responsible for many deaths of believers. Same group who killed Jesus and the apostles. The Jewish encyclopedia documents this fact.

Well if the Bible is right and others teach things that is against what is in the Bible, I am happy to correct them.

How about the lie that Rome killed Jesus? Pilate tried to release Jesus. Yet the lie continues.

John 19:12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release (Jesus) him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.

That is of course if we believe the Bible. I am no fan of the Vatican, but I shall not blame the Vatican for something she did not do.

Truth is not antisemitic. While everyone is looking at Rome, the man of sin aka son of perdition shall rule from Jerusalem.

Judaism is antichrist and a heresy that denies the virgin birth, the atonement and resurrection of Jesus.

1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)

1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah?

Those "Messianic Jews" who use Yeshua are also denying the name of Jesus given to Mary by Gabriel in the Greek New Testament, basically denying my King James Bible.

I find it offensive that a certain group claims Mary got pregnant having relations with Pantera, a roman soldier who paid her in silver coins. Maybe we should be happy to be corrected with the Bible?

Thanks for correcting my error, Bob. You seem to be very good at correcting other people's errors. I read most of your posts and you spend a lot of time correcting others. I think I agree with what Mishael had to say. She makes a great point about sharing our relationship with Christ to others. That would be much better than constantly tearing apart what other people share here. I am not saying that we should not correct a blatant error, especially if it impacts a person's salvation, but if all we do is spend our time correcting what we perceive as "error," what are we doing? Tearing apart everything people share does not do anything for building up the church as we should be doing.

In all sincerity, I do thank you for pointing out my error on the seven hills. I just looked it up and you are correct. There are others. Good job! But none of those cities match the description of the seven hill city in Revelation Chapters 17 and 18. We see that this city will be utterly destroyed. You can't tell me that is Jerusalem. There is no place in scripture that tells us that in the end times Jerusalem will be completely destroyed. Quite the opposite! Rome will be destroyed.

You ask me "Who killed the saints and the Lord?" Here's my answer to that. Yes, the Jews were responsible for persecuting those who followed Christ. But so was Rome. You cannot deny that Rome slaughtered and tortured millions of Christians for many centuries.

For the second part of your question, "Who killed the Lord?" You killed him, Bob. You killed Him, I killed Him, and every sinner who has been born into this world killed Him. You can't blame this on the Jews. Jesus Christ came for the sole purpose of dying on the cross. Why did He do this? He did it for you, He did it for me, and He did it for every sinner that has ever been born. We killed Him, Bob. Technically, He freely gave Himself up to death. Had it not of been for our sin, He would not have had to come and die. So yes, you and I killed Him!

Thank you for all the comments I have a better understanding, I will continue to pray and seek the lord and be ready when it's time.

No Jessue you are error since there are many cities built on 7 hills and Jerusalem is one of them.

Jerusalem's seven hills are the following Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet (Mount of Olives) and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the old city), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built, you know the wailing wall where the jews pray at.

Rome was never sent prophets of the Lord. who killed the saints and the Lord?

King James Bible book of John 5:16 - And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

John 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.



John 7:1 - After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

Act 9:23 - And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him

Act 23:12 - And when it was day, certain of the Jews banded together, and bound themselves under a curse, saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul.

Act 26:21 - For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.

Do you see Rome in there anywhere?

Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own PROPHETS, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.

Revelation 18:24 says Babylon killed the prophets.

James,

The book of Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ. It speaks of end-time events and the coming judgment, but also gives us a picture of our Lord Jesus Christ coming in glory. As far as what's going on in our country (U.S.), I see a lot of evil, but that is going on all over the world. The things happening here do not fit into the book of Revelation as far as end-time prophecy is concerned. All end-time prophecy centers around the nation of Israel, not the United States.

Revelation 17:5 mentions the phrase "Mystery, Babylon the Great." In Revelation, Babylon is cryptically known as Rome. Chapter 17 gives us the description of the destruction of Babylon which was shown to the apostle John. It describes this woman who is riding the beast. She is called the great whore that sits upon many waters.

In Revelation 17:6, John sees the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. For many centuries, Rome, under the direction of the papacy tortured, burned, and slaughtered many Christians.

Revelation 17:9 gives us the location of this woman who rides the beast. It's a city that sits on seven hills or mountains. Rome is the only city on this earth that sits on seven hills. John is shown the mystery of this woman, Babylon the great, and her future destruction in Revelation 17:16.

The beast is only going to allow the religious system, the prophet, to ride this beast for so long. And the ten nations are going to give their allegiance to this woman. But when the antichrist is through with her, then he's going to turn against her, as well as the kings because they're going to be on his side, and she's going to be destroyed, this religious system.

Babylon killed the prophets so when you know who killed the prophets you know the identity of mystery Babylon.

..... Rev 18:24 - And in her (Babylon) was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. babylon was responsible for the BLOOD of PROPHETS.

Rev 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

Rev 17:6 - And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Mystery Babylon killed the prophets

Jesus speaking Luke 13:33 - Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem. for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

Jesus - Matthew 23:37 - O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, This is Jesus speaking and telling us who killed the prophets.

When did the Lord send prophets to the USA, Mecca or Rome?

Well apostle Paul went to Rome and he was a prophet.

Can anyone explain what's going on now in our country, where does this all fall in revelations, also explain mystery Babylon

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.