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Deana That biblically cannot be proven and in my observation promotes a lot of fear. God expects us to wise if you felt it was best for you to get the shot that is a personal decision between you and God. I know of christians who got the shot and died and others who didn't and died from covid. Be confy in your own heart with the Father he Knows you best. God Bless.

I have been told that taking the covid 19 vaccinations/shots is all part of the mark of the beast. I am a Christian, I have sin that I have asked God to forgive. I hoping to go to heaven, but as I have taken the shots have I become a part of the mark of the beast? I do believe that our Savior would have let me know I should not take the shots. Can you advise?

Re Commentary by Matthew Henry 1710, last half. Consider that he did not have what we have today. We already have the precursor of the mark. It is the number of a man. We use it to buy and sell. It is normally in our right hand. Sometimes it is in our 'forehead' (brain, mind). It currently is 4-4-4-4 today. 16 digits. Will be expanded to 18 digits, enough for every human that ever lived to have his own number. 6 digits followed by 6 digits followed by 6 digits. 123456-654321-773410. They are trying so hard to do away with paper money and go to digital currency. Most people use the precursor every day, by handing it to someone in their right hand or swiping it, and when ordering a pizza on the phone we have the number in our forehead(brain). If you have a better explanation please let me know.

Think about it.

CHASE MCLAREN

Oh no,"There is (NOT) only a 42 month(a half window)window for anti-christ, we (NOT)only have the 2nd half of the week left", oh no, absolutely. What prevails is the Word of GOD, as follow:

Revelation 11:2+ Revelation 13:v.1-10-the Beast of sea-Gentile Beast

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First the COURT which is without the temple is(will be)given unto the Gentiles:and the holy city-JERUSALEM-shall they tread under foot 42 months(Rev.11:2), that is the FIRST HALF of the week-3,5 years- which will be ruled by the Beast of sea-REV.13:v.5, actually a Gentile Beast. This MAN Beast is the Pope, the Papacy, a false Christianity,a religious and satanic MONSTER of 7 heads, and 10 horns that is spread around the world - Europe(1),and Asia(2),Africa(3), Oceania(Australia)(4),North America(5),Central America(6)and South America(7),and upon his 7 heads a name of blasphemy-Vicarius Filii Dei.By the way, one of his 7 heads will be wounded to death by a sharp Sword from now on, but his wound will be healed by the esoteric,and kabbalistic,and spiritist false messiah.The satanic Beast of sea is/will be linked to the great Dragon-Satan-who will work with the monstruos structures around the world of the Roman Catholic Church- REVELATION 13:v2-,which rides upon the Beast of sea-the Pope,the Papacy-since ancient times.

As soon the Pope be enthroned in Jerusalem by the Dragon giving to the Pope(the MAN Beast of sea),his Throne,and Power,and great Authority(Rev.13:2),the BODY OF THE GREAT DRAGON,the OLD Serpent,called the Devil and Satan,will be materially and spiritually complete with his 7 heads,10 horns and a terrible TAIL.

The two strong and powerful Beasts above described, both will build and establish a satanic and Universal religious KINGDOM-Judaism and Catholicism-THE ANTICHRIST's KINGDOM-,and the Gentile MAN Beast of sea-the Pope-will rule the FIRST HALF of the week (3,5years)enthroned in JERUSALEM by the Dragon,spiritually called Sodom and Egypt.

Be careful and get ready

In Jesus name I'll pray that you get all heavenly gifts that is promising

Ephesians 1.3. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: Amen

666 ?????

What does the Word of GOD say?

Revelation 13:v.11 to 18

11 And I beheld another Beast (MAN BEAST)coming up out of the earth;and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a Dragon. (In fact a false lamb, a false messiah- John 5:v.43- an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah who will manifest in Israel, the MAN of sin, son of perdition)

12 And he (will)exerciseth all the power of the FIRST Beast(THE BEAST OF SEA)before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST(MAN)Beast, whose deadly wound was (will be) healed.

13 And he doeth (will do) great wonders, so that he maketh (will make) fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the Beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the (MAN)Beast, which had the wound by a Sword (by the Word of GOD), and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the Beast, that the image of the (MAN) Beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the Beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the NAME of the(MAN)Beast, or the number of his NAME.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the Beast: for it is the number of a MAN; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Was Satan, son of perdition, born? Yes, he was, of course, decades ago. Don't you know that Satan has already been born? 2 Thessalonians 2:v.3-4 - Now, now, he was born decades ago and is about to manifest himself very soon, do you know where? It's good to know and be prepared for the battle.

Be careful and get ready.

I have been a Christian for over 21 years, and during, and when I was transferred into the Police Department, I illegally became a targeted victim, and my private home was illegally break-in entering, and I was illegally put under, and there was an illegal criminal brain procedure was illegally done against my will, my physical brain have been illegally subjected with wireless electrical brain implants, and now my physical brain have been completely wired against my will. And in the Bible this is against God's Biblical Word. And I have been trying to Outlaw this crime, and the Higher State Officials, and Local Law Enforcement, and other State Agencies are illegally covering up this crime. What do I need to do. I will not give up, until they are exposed, No Justice, No Peace. And now my Christianity have been weakness.

Are we supposed to evangelise, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

One of the HARDEST TRUTHS to understand is that when you are BORN AGAIN by the word of God you ALSO DIED (the first death, which is not literal death) by the word of God.

The verse being quoted below is not LITERAL; it has to be spiritually discerned:

Revelation 13:10 He that (evangelises and) leadeth (others) into captivity will go into captivity: he that (evangelises and) killeth with the sword (the word of God) must be killed with the sword (the word of God). Here is the patience and faith of the saints.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, By THE WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth forever.

If you have died (by the sword or word of God) in Christ you now live in Christ (the word); then:

Philippians 2:13 It is God that worketh in you BOTH TO WILL and TO DO of his good pleasure.

REST IN THE LORD; whatever he wants you to do, YOU WILL DO through HIS POWER and FOREKNOWLEDGE.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, and ye shall keep my judgements and DO THEM.

Colossians 1:27 ...This mystery....CHRIST IN YOU ....

Harley

Yes, The kingdoms of THIS world (Devil's world) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. Rev. 11:v.15

Consequences:

Revelation 11:v.18

18 And the NATIONS were angry, and thy wrath is come - GOD's WRATH-, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that thou -GOD - should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should DESTROY them -THE NATIONS- which destroy the earth.

Rev. 13:v.2-5

2 ... and the Dragon gave him his power (the Dragon gave to the Beast of sea his Power), and his Seat, and great Authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were WOUNDED to DEATH; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the Beast. (of sea)

4 And they (THE WORLD of Devil) worshipped the Dragon which gave power unto the Beast(of sea): and they(the World fo Devil) worshipped the Beast, saying, Who is like unto the Beast? who is able to make WAR with him? (Yeah, who is able to make WAR with the Beast of sea? Revelation 13:v.11-14 : - 11 And I beheld another Beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a Dragon. (in fact a false lamb, a false messiah of the Jews, an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, future ruler of Israel and its main devilish religion, the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism). 14 - And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the Beast;(of sea) saying to them that dwell on the earth (Israel), that they should make an image to the Beast, which had the wound by a Sword,-the Word of GOD- and did live.

Rev. 2:v.26-29

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father

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Greetings to you brother Leon. Sending this response in two pages.

The Scriptures you cited on Christ the Light & His involvement in creation were excellent: none can oppose such Truth. The question remains, could a God, who is Light & dwells in Light, cannot also create something that has no light or is unformed? Your answer to this is noted - my answer compels me to look at the whole of creation, which does not always attest to a God of Light creating what we would like to think or believe as perfect. We would have to ask about the creation of the other planets & stars: were they created perfect? If yes, then is their present perfection by our standards actually an imperfection? Or, if Earth's formless, empty condition in Genesis 1:2 was as a result of being evil affected, how could an evil entity be able to create such a cataclysmic condition to God's creation? Why hasn't that happened now to the Earth under our present abounding evil? All rhetorical questions no doubt, & for that reason I could never formulate a belief on a single verse & make an assumption that God has to work in a certain manner just because He is a God of Light.

Revelation 13:8. In the normal reading of that verse, it speaks of the Christ, the Lamb of God, Who was in the Plan of God even before the Earth's creation, to one day become God's sacrificial Lamb. So clear was His destiny, it could be said that His coming as God's Word, His preparation, & His ministry labelled Him as One already sacrificed (ahead of time).

Yet, when reading this verse from the Lexicon, it's interesting that it's given as 'those whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world, in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain'. However, I doubt whether the verse should be understood in this way, though there is Truth in this also.

Pope Francis may or even must die very soon (I wrote this 4 days ago to JUAN DIAZ here) and then will be elected a new Pope, and this will be the last Pope, most likely he will assume the nickname Paulus VII (Paulus Septimus). Revelation 17:v.10- And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Revelation was written around year 95AD, but the fulfilment of the apocaliptical prophecy would begin after the death of the fifth king (Paulus V) and the sixth king be elected- Paulus VI. Here goes:

Paulus V-( Paulus Quintus) 16 May 1605-28 Jan 1621 (15 years, 257 days)

Paulus VI-(Paulus Sextus) 21 June 1963-6 Aug 1978 (15 years, 46 days)

NOTE:

We are in the year 2.021 in accord Christian calendar. The fulfilment of prophecy of Revelation is very advanced in the time, today we can and MUST say that the above 6 of the 7 "kings" have fallen, it means, they already died.

Paulus VII-(Paulus Septimus) This seventh"king"and LAST POPE is not yet come; and when he cometh, he MUST continue for a short space, i.e. 42 months or 1,260 days, no more, as it is determined by the Word of God, the Word is God. It is he who will rule the FIRST HALF of the last week of Daniel 9:v.27- Revelation 13:v.5.

We are speaking of the book of Revelation, a former sealed book that was with God and He gave it to JESUS, for only He could break the seals. About the book of Revelation, the angel of the Lord said and John did write, as follow:

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book the seven seals.

In Christ JESUS, KING of kings and LORD of lords

Please, you say, rather, you ask ". Do you see that all the prophets discuss the SAME EVENT, the fall of Babylon? The beast, Russia/China+ will mortally attack America the whore to smithereens. The battle is over in under 1 hour.

Please, you invented that false interpretation of Scriptures, a devilis theory, which has nothing to do with the Word of God, but doctrines of demons.

What does the Word of GOD reveal?

Revelation 13:v.1-

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Be careful, or get ready because punishments written in Reveltion 22:v. 18-19.

Ueah, be careful, or get ready

Daniel 7:v2-3

Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven(heaven?) strove(strove?) upon the great sea.

3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

great sea - all Gentile nations without exception;

sea means waters; waters mean peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues;

the four beasts are: Babylon, and Medo-Persian, and Greece, and Roman Empire;

these four beasts strove one another successively (in the great sea - Gentile peoples);

these four beasts are the roots of the Beast of sea- Revelation 13:v.1 to10, mainly verse 2-Check it out.

the fourth beast was so ugly, and terrible, so tenebrous that had not any kind of animal to figure it, and its roots

remains until the current time through a satanic religious system, a religious MONSTER with 7 heads, 10 horns and a

NAME of blaspheme in his 7 heads.

The last seven years of the current Devil's world according the Word of GOD

Revelation 1

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ,

which God gave unto him,

to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;

and he sent and signified it by his angel

unto his servant John:

Revelation 11:v.1-2

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying,

Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the COURT which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not;

for it is given unto the GENTILES:

and the holy city-JERUSALEM-shall they tread under foot forty and two months.(HALF OF WEEK-1.260 days)

Revelation 13:v.1 and 5 and 2

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a (MAN) Beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon HIS horns ten crowns, and upon HIS heads the name of blasphemy. (What's name?)

5 And there was given unto him(unto the MAN Beast of sea)a MOUTH speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.(IN FULFILMENT OF REV. 11:v.2-HALF OF WEEK)

2 ... and the Dragon gave him(to the MAN Beast of sea) his Power, and his Seat(his Throne), and great Authority.(According this verse the MAN Beast of sea will sit on the Throne of the MAN Dragon-Rev.13:v.11 in the Holy City

which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,where also our Lord was crucified).

That said, there will be TWO powerful MAN Beasts in near future exactly in the beginning of the first half of the last seven years of the Devil's world, or 1.260 days.(I'm sure this terrible and satanic event will happen in this current decade-2020-2030), thus, as soon as the first half of the last seven years of the Devil's world ends, the worst of all events will happen after the death of JESUS on the cross, which is the beginning of the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation in the second half. Daniel 12:v.11-12 + Matt.24:15

Greetings in Christ JESUS, Robert

Thank you for your reply. Reading the content of your post, honestly I'm not convinced of your theory because in

Revelation 11, the two candlesticks (for me two Churches) standing before the God of the earth, as being two

witnesses, they both will receive Power or be enpowered to shut heaven (to close the Dispensation of Grace or to finish

it), that it rain not in the days (1.260 days) of their prophecy. And both have Power over waters (over peoples, and

nations, and multitudes of all tongues - Gentile peoples) to turn them to blood; And to smite the earth (earth here can

only be the place or nation of the birth of the Beast of earth who has two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a Dragon-

Revelation 13:v.11-18- a false lamb of course, with two horns) , yeah, to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as

they will.

I see in advance that there will be two Beasts on the Earth in near future, they are:

1 - the Man Beast of sea, with his headquarter in Europe-Rome;

2 - the Man Beast of the earth, an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Beast, who will oppose and exalt himself above

all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is

God.

That said I would ask: Would not be this ruthless Man Beast of the earth the same Character that is mentioned in

Rev.11:v.4 that says "the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth" whose Country must be smite with all

plagues in the last week, the week 70th of Daniel 9:v.27?

false, The injection is the mark. The beast is a firefly used in the injection. Firefly is a beast of this earth and as a light bearer, in Latin is "Lucifer. So you have the mark and the name of the beast.

Sea refers to many many waters. Revelation 13:v.1 - And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a Beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

And waters mean; peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues

Revelation 17:v.15 - 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

No sea;

Revelation 21:v.8 - 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

On the other hand: Luke 20:v.35-36

35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: (no sea)

36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Most Christians believe that at the judgement of the world the wicked will be cast into LITERAL FIRE for all ETERNITY.

If this is true then it make those scriptures that say ALL will OBEY and WORSHIP GOD a LIE; therefore the ones that believe this are calling God a LIAR.

Revelation 13:8 And ALL that dwell upon the earth shall WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 15:4 ....for ALL NATIONS shall come and WORSHIP before THEE ....

Revelation 3:9 ...I WILL MAKE THEM to come and WORSHIP before thy feet.....

Psalms 22:27 ALL the ends of the world shall REMEMBER and TURN (repent) unto the LORD, and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass .....shall ALL flesh come to WORSHIP before me..

You can't have an ETERNAL LITERAL FIRE torturing God's creation and a SAVIOUR of man exist together: be careful which one you chose.

Most believe hell wins: FEW find the way!

Raquel. May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those that BELIEVE.

1 Timothy 4:11 These things COMMAND AND TEACH.

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have (not maybe) ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and come to the knowledge of TRUTH (CHRIST)

1 John 4 :14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father (THE WORD) SENT the SON TO BE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me VOID, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I SENT IT.

Revelations 15:4 ...for ALL NATIONS shall come and worship before thee...

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Jesus was SENT by his FATHER to be the saviour of the world; HE WILL NOT FAIL!

Miyelani, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

There was no sin until man was created.

Romans 8:20 For the creature (man) was created SUBJECT TO VANITY, not willingly, but by reason of him (God) who hath SUBJECTED the same (man) in hope,

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Ecclesiastes 3:11 ....also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from beggining to the end.

Adam and Eve were created with a heart subject to the weakness of FLESH.

They were predestined to sin because; Christ was predestined to die for OUR sins:

Revelation 13:8 And ALL THAT DWELL upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of the life of the Lamb SLAIN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION of the world.

Richard Estrada

It seems we are not on the same page. I'm sorry my reply was not clear. I will try again but let's not be disrespectful. The thread you first replied to about the abomination of desolation was discussing teaching I do not agree with. It is called the seven years of tribulation using the last week in ( Daniel 9:27). It developed in the 17th Century, and it quickly led to an understanding that the Rapture of the Church would be an event separate from and before the second coming of Christ.



The beast does only have 42 months. It starts in Revelation 12 when Michael stands up and Satan is cast down to earth, the third woe. ( Revelation 12:7-9) Satan then gives his power, seat, and great authority to the beast. ( Revelation 13:2-8)

There is another beast with two horns, the false prophet, ( Revelation 13:11-18) he is the one that does miracles, fires from heaven, creates the image of the beast, and causes who will not worship this image to be killed, this beast causes people to take the mark of the beast all in 42 months.

This is just a small bit of information but I hope it makes sense and clears up misunderstanding. If I may and not offend, may I suggest studying the day of the Lord?

RLW

Gloria Rhine - If your name is written in the Book of Life, not church membership, You must be born again Jesus said.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Carl, you are correct Jesus' ministry was 42 months and there are 42 months in Revelation but the ones in Revelation have nothing to do with the 70-week prophecy given to Daniel.

If I understand you correctly, the abomination of desolations spoken of by Daniel in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 is what you tie the last half of the 70th week to the antichrist and the 42 months?

Many may disagree but, the abomination of desolation has nothing to do with the beast in Revelation. If you read Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, what Jesus told four of the Apostles on the Mount of Olives. First, we must understand at this time none of the Apostles even knew Jesus was going to die, they thought Jesus was going to set up the kingdom then. Even after He resurrected, they did not believe He had been killed.

Some of this discourse was about the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem and some about Jesus second coming. If you study history of this time, you will see there were earthquakes, wars, famine, pestilence and more. All through the New Testament people was starving and they were selling and donating for those in Jerusalem that were without, many died.

Why would people today have to pray their flight not be on a Sabbath? In the time of the destruction of the temple the gates of Jerusalem would have been locked on the Sabbath, they couldn't get out. The temple and Jerusalem in 70 AD was totally wiped away, the people in Jerusalem turned to cannibalism during this siege of Rome, it was the worst horror Jerusalem had ever faced.

No believers in Christ died, they fled to the city Pella before the destruction. Many put Revelation 12 with the casting down of Satan long ago but Satan still has access to heaven because he accuses daily. When Satan is cast down to earth in Rev. 12 it is permanent they rejoice in heaven. Satan then gives his power seat and authority to the beast ( Revelation 13:1-5).

Sorry, this is short may it be enough to inspire study.

God Bless,

RLW

part 2,

As I'm sure you know "hell" is just the English word that took over four "places". Sheol in Hebrew and in Greek Hades, Gehenna, and Tartarus(used only once as the place where the angels that sinned are chained reserved unto judgement). Then of coarse the lake of fire where Hades is said to be cast.

My feelings of me being a judge to others in the end. In Christ. Right now I see it as this. If God wanted me to judge others the first thing I would do is ask God how He wanted me to judge. If it were God's Will for me to forgive everyone I most certainly would do that. Or righteous judgement. To me righteous judgement is not just pardoning or forgiving everyone. It would be weighing that persons heart, soul, intents, everything in life etc. Them making a righteous judgement on their life. As in the Old and New Testaments it is stated everyone shall be judged or recompensed according to our deeds in this life.

All in all Gods Will shall be done. Weather I understand it or not. Also as my full trust is in the Lord and I know anything is possible with God. As His ways, thoughts, intent and glory are so far above us I really don't see anyone knowing exactly what shall be. Keep our faith and full trust in Him with a pure heart and He will guide us in love.

As I like to always bring up that the most important thing is us staying focused on Him. They ways of Jesus Christ our Lord whom is our Savior to eternal life with the Father.

All praise and glory be to Jesus Christ our Lord which permeates straight to our Holy Father. We are noting without Him.

Like stated even though we may have different views on certain things. That's ok. You are still my brother in the Lord forever and are a very special member in the body of Christ. We are to love one another. The only thing I hate is sin or evil. Not the person who commits it as we are all able to be saved by the blood of Christ. As we were all on the wrong path at some point in our lives.

God Bless.

I very much enjoy conversing with you brother Earl. There will be a second post to this.

My view on all(everyone) being saved is this. If this were true, in my eyes, it actually would not matter, in the end, weather the person is a child of God or a child of the devil. As of coarse it is of the highest honor to have been chosen by God to be in Christ to be one of His and live for His Will. As truly my entire life is surrounded around Jesus Christ and wanting to live for the Will of our Father and please Him. Forever.

Though everybody is different I think some may just take that, all being saved in the end, as a free pass to do whatever they want, in this life, with no worry of consequence. Which I have stated before that it could be dangerous to preach that to the people who would take it as such and maybe make them worse people instead of better. Proverbs 9:10, Matthew 10:28, Hebrews 10:31.

As I have gone through my Bible and taken notes of verses from Christ and the Apostles about the "saved and unsaved". Easily over twenty times. Just seeing a verse like Matthew 25:46. Which states "everlasting punishment". Maybe in a verse like 1 Corinthians 1:18. Christ is "to them that perish" foolish but to us(saved) it is "the power of God".

Maybe to bring up one friend the Lord has brought me to just after being saved. It was at a funeral I first saw this friend after around twenty years. The Lord wanted me to tell someone about Him and something told me he was the one. This friend had actually had very spiritual experiences as well though not all good. The devil actually came to him and wanted his daughters soul. The Lord has pulled him from the road to destruction and set him on the right path. Though he is not perfect, as none of us are, we can talk for hours. One thing he perceives is this is "hell". As we don't see eye to eye on every aspect it's ok because I know he is a good person and courageous. Not afraid of any person or to speak what he feels.

Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, not having the Spirit.

1 Peter 2:8 ...even to them that stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto they were APPOINTED.

God is assembling a specific group of people in this age. The Priest that are going to rule, reign and judge the rest of the world in the ages to come. If you weren't CALLED (my sheep here my voice) to this glory then you were appointed to wait till the manifestion of the Sons of God. Since it is God's choice and not ours, God want condemn those for eternity that were not chosen to be Priest. They will be judged latter in US and CHRIST.

Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building you yourselves on you most holy faith (Christ is our faith), praying in the Holy Ghost,

Jude 1:21 Keeping yourselves (by Christ) in the love of God, looking for MERCY of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life (I am the life).

Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

Jude 1:23 And others save (teaching truth) with fear (respect unto God), pulling them out of the fire (Christ judgement in spiritual fire, just as effective as literal fire)(teaching them knowledge of God's plan), hating even the garment spotted with flesh.

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns (Sons of God, power through Christ) which though saw on the beast, these shall hate the whore (unfaithfulness), and make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with FIRE,

Revelation 17:17 For God hath put it in their hearts to fulfil HIS WILL (all men will be saved), and give their kingdom (Christ in you) unto the beast, until the words of God (all will worship God) shall be fulfilled.

God bless

Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

I know we as brothers and sisters don't agree on all things, Yet. I also believe that God has designed it that way. He said that household would be brother against brother, sister against sister, etc. This is one of those TEST we endure. Flesh reacts with anger or some other similar trait with his brother. Spirit is long suffering and patient, both are works of God that burn wood, hay, stubble, and purify gold and silver.

1 Corinthians 3:11-13

The Spirit caused me to stop believing in Hell as a place of torture for eternity; because, I can't reconcile it to FIT and not contradict other scriptures.

1 Timothy 4:9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, WHO IS THE SAVIOR OF ALL MEN, specially of those that BELIEVE.

1 Timothy 4:11 These things COMMAND AND TEACH.

I BELIEVE Christ will save the world; although, not all in the age we are in now.

1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

1 Timothy 2:4 Who WILL HAVE (God's will; will be done) all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of truth.

Romans 8:21 Because the creature (creation) ITSELF ALSO SHALL BE DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (death and the grave) into the glorious LIBERTY of the CHILDREN OF GOD.

I BELIEVE this is done in the ages to come after the SONS OF GOD have been revealed.

Romans 8:19 ...Creation WAITETH for the manifestation of the Sons of God.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them that despitefully use you, and persecute you.

Since Christ is in us and causes us to LOVE OUR ENEMIES. I think he knows how to judge in righteousness and not torture.

Proverbs 16:6 Through MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is purged....

Brother Earl,

As I know your views are very spiritual and that is good. Though just on one thing I would like to bring up about "fire". I very much understand God or Christ is a consuming fire and we are tried by fire as gold. To purify us. As in 1 Corinthians 3:13. Matthew 3:11.

Though as I will show you with one verse not ALL fire, to me anyway, is Christ, the Holy Ghost, or God in essence the way you perceive. As this fire would guide us to keep us clean and pure for God's Will.

Of coarse God made fire this just showing it is not always where we want to be.

At the end of Jude. In Jude 1:23 it speaks of how we should "save with fear" some people "pulling them out of the fire". As I think you will agree I don't think it is talking about pulling anyone out of the "fire of Christ". More likely the fire spoken of in Revelation 20:15, Matthew 25:41.

Also in the book of Enoch. Here is a small portion of chapter 108: for their names shall be blotted out of the book of life and out of the holy books, and their seed shall be destroyed for ever, and their spirits shall be slain, and they shall cry and make lamentation in a place that is a chaotic wilderness, and in the fire shall they burn.

I know you and me have gone over this before in that I think you perceive everyone "will be saved" in the end. Which I don't fully agree with but that's ok. Whatever the Will of God is, that shall be. Us being Blessed to be with the Lord Jesus Christ is a priceless treasure.



God Bless you brother Earl.

Adam Mittler,

This website did it to me again. I did not type 144. I typed one-hundred and forty four thousand.

Adam Mittler,

It is my understanding that a born again Christian would never take the mark. A person cannot receive the mark without first worshiping the beast. Someone who is born of God's Spirit would never bow down and worship the beast.

It is also my understanding that if that time comes during our lifetime, we as born again believers will not be here anyway.

People are going to be given a choice right at the mid-point of the tribulation period to either take the mark and be able to buy and sell, or refuse and be put to death (probably beheaded).

The people who refuse to take the mark are those who chose to receive Christ sometime during the first 3-1/2 years of the tribulation period.

Every believer prior to the 7 year tribulation period will have already been snatched away by Christ and will not be faced with having to make the choice as to whether or not receive the mark.

But you have to keep in mind that there will be people getting saved during the the tribulation period as they will be warned not to take the mark. There will be the two witnesses preaching Christ. There will be an angel flying around in mid-heaven who will be warning people. And there will also be 144,000 Jews who will be evangelizing and warning people. The ones who receive Christ from their testimonies will be the ones who will refuse the mark. Those who receive the mark are the ones who continued to reject the testimony because of the hardness of their hearts.