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John :5:43, John 17:11, John 12:13,28 Lord is a tittle. 1Co 8:5,6 Mt6:9. Ex 6:3. Isa 42:8..( John 8:44)( John 4:24)Deuteronomy12:32 I believe todays versions are just that,a version. Matthew 15:9 and Ephesians 4:14 Doctrines of man. 1John 5:19.....

Babylon the Great as stated here is not the U.S, neither the ancient City of Babylon.BABYLON THE GREAT HERE IN REVELATION IS SYMBOLICALLY USE TO THE EMPIRE OF FALSE RELIGION.

Revelation was written at the end of the first century C.E and describes events that would reach down to our day. The city of Babylon was taken by the Persians under Cyrus the Great in 539 B.C. Later Alexander the Great planned to make Babylon the capital of his eastern empire, but after his death Babylon gradually lost importance. Today the city (near Baghdad Iraq, is an uninhabited ruin.

In the symbolism of Revelation, Babylon the Great is referred to as a "great city", a "kingdom" that rules other kings.(Rev.17:18) Like city, it would have many organizations within it: and like a kingdom that includes other kings in its domain, it would be in international in scope. It is described as having relations with political rulers and contributing much to the wealth of men in commerce, while itself being a third element that "has become a dwelling place of demons" and a persecutor of "prophets and of holy ones".- Rev.18:2,9-17,24

History of ancient Babylon was outstanding noted for its religion and its defiance of Jehovah God- the God of Hebrew.(see Exodus 6:3 and Psalms 83:18)

At Gen.10:8-10, " Nimrod...displayed himself a mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah...And the beginning of his kingdom came to Babel [later known as Babylon].

At Daniel 5:22,23- Belshazzar-Babylonian king exalted himself against the Lord of heavens and 'have praised mere gods of silver and of gold," etc...."that are beholding nothing or hearing nothing". but the God who gave breath and everything to Belshazzar , he have not glorified.

Ancient cuneiform inscription reads; "there are Babylon 53 temples of the chief gods,55 chapels of Marduk,300 chapels for the earthly deities, 600 for the heavenly deities, 180 altars for the goddess Ishtar, 180 for the gods Nergal and Adad and 12 other altars for different gods"- Quoted in THE BIBLE AS HISTORY (New York, 1964), W. Keller,p,301.

THE ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA COMMENTS: "Sumerian civilization [which was part of Babylonia] was dominated by priests; at the head of the state was the "LUGAL"(literally 'great man'), the representative of the gods."-(1977).Vol.3,p.9.

REASONABLY, therefore, BABYLON THE GREAT as referred to in REVELATION is RELIGIOUS.Being like a city and an empire, it is not limited to one religious group but includes ALL RELIGIONS that are in OPPOSITION to Jehovah, the true God.

ANCIENT BABYLONIAN RELIGIOUS CONCEPTS AND PRACTICES ARE FOUND IN RELIGIONS WORLDWIDE.

"Egypt, Persia, and Greece felt the influence of the Babylonian religion...The strong admixture of Semitic elements both in early Greek mythology and in Grecian cults is now so generally admitted by scholars as to require no further comments. These Semitic elements are to a large extent more specifically Babylonian."- THE RELIGION OF BABYLONIA AND ASSYRIA (Boston, 1898) M. Jastrow, Jr.pp699,700.

THEIR GODS: There were triads of gods, and among their divinities were those representing various forces of nature and ones that exercised special influence in certain activities of mankind. (Babylonian and Assyrian Religion, Norman, Okla.; 1963, S.H.Hooke,pp.14-40).

" The PLATONIC TRINITY, itself merley a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian Churches... This Greek philosopher's [PLATO] conception of trinity...can be found in all the ancients [pagan] religions."- Nouvea Dictionnaire Universe (Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M.Lachatre, Vol 2,p.1467

USE OF IMAGES: [In Mesopotamian religion} the role of the image was central in the cult as well as in private worship, as the wide distribution of cheap replicas of such images shows. Fundamentally, the deity was considered present in its image if it showed certain specific features and paraphernalia and was cared for in the appropriate manner."- Ancient Mesopotamia-Portrait of a Dead Civilization ( Chicago, 1964), A.L. Oppenheim,p.184

POSITION OF THE PRIESTHOOD; "The distinction between priest and layman is characteristic of this [Bayblonian} religion."- Encyclopedia Britannica (1948),Vol 2,p.861

BELIEF REGARDING DEATH; "Neither the people nor the leaders of religious thought [in Babylon] ever faced the possibility of the total annihilation of what once was called into existence. Death was a passage to another kind of life."- The Religion of babylonia and Assyria,p.556.

PRACTICE OF ASTROLOGY,DIVINATION,MAGIC,AND SORCERY: Historian A.H. Sayce writes: " In the religion of ancient Babylonnia...every objecy of force of nature was supposed to have its "zi" or spirit, who could be controlled by the magical exorcisms of the Shaman, or sorcere-priest." "The Chaldeans{Babylonians} made great progress in the study of astrology through an effort to discover the future in the stars. This art we call 'astrology."-says The Dawn of Civilization and Life in the Ancient East.

BABYLON THE GREAT IS LIKE AN IMMORTAL HARLOT, ONE LIVING IN SHAMELESS LUXURY;
Rev.17:1-5 says, "Come hither; "I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters[means PEOPLES]:With whom the kings [means political leaders] of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. ...And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Rev. 18:7 adds that "she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury."

*It is true that the dominant religious organizations have made it a practice to consort with political rulers for power and material gain, though this has resulted in suffering for the common people? Is it not also true that their higher clergy live in luxury, even though many of the people to whom they should minister may be impoverished?

WHY CAN RELIGIONS THAT PROFESS TO BE CHRISTIAN PROPERLY BE VIEWED AS A PART OF BABYLONIAN THE GREAT HARLOT, ALONG WITH THOSE WHO KNOW NOTHING OF THE GOD OF THE BIBLE?

JAMES 4:4 (please read the verse in your copy). So though they know what the Bible says about God, they make themselves enemies of God if they CHOOSE friendship with the world by imitating its ways.)

Also at 2 Corinthians 4:4; 11:14,15 (read in your copy) The god of this world is Satan and "Satan keeps on transforming himself into an angel of light" and so Satan's ministers also transforming themselves as ministers of righteousness... THUS< JEHOVAH"S chief adversary, Satan the Devil himself, is really being honored by all who do not worship the true God in the manner that He has appointed, even though they may claim to be Christian. See also 1 Cor.10:20 and Matthew 7:21-23

THERE IS AN URGENT NEED TO GET OUT OF BABYLON THE GREAT WITHOUT DELAY:

Just as Rev.18:4,21 then compare Luke 21:36, (anyone serious of worshiping God of the Bible in spirit and truth) or people of God must get out of Babylonian type worship as NOT to receive the PLAGUES for her.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT KNOW THE BIBLE TRUTH BUT LIVED AND DIED IN THE PAST AS PART OF BABYLON THE GREAT?

ACTS 17:30 SAYS: "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Also read Acts 24:15 and Job 34:12.

I believe as long as you know what his name is Holy.Keep his name Holy.

i love that God's name is found here!!! if only everyone would acknowledge that God's name really is found in the bible.... JEHOVAH !!!!! peace everyone Jah bless!!! :)

Think about what the Bible says about the names of the One True God of Heaven and earth.

Genesis 3:13,14 - And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Psalm 83:18 - That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

John 1:1,14 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Luke 1:31-33 - And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Revelation 19: 13,16 - And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God....And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Please use this time to think, about this people please our father jehovah wants us to know his name, he wants us to know him, ask yourself this question if everyone started calling you hey would you respect that.

Some interesting comments. The Lord of Heaven and Earth hear all who call on His name. Becoming legalistic about the "correct" name will lead us away from God's grace and the great commission to make disciples. Psalm 83 promises certain destruction to those who are pitted against the God of Israel. God shames them with the intention that they would seek Him and if they refuse they will certainly perish. True witnesses for Jehovah or Yaweh are those who give a testimony of salvation by faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ. Those who do not find themselves fulfilling verse 5 and will inherit verse 17.

As one of Jehovah's Witnesses we use his name to establish we are serving the one true god because as stated before there are several gods, satan being one of them ( 2 cor 4:4, 1 John 5:19). So it all depends on who you serve.

It is refreshing to see that the name Jehovah is still intact in this version of the King James.
Consider this, in all of the universe, who stands to be benefited if the true Gods name is erased from his own book? Logic dictates the simple answer. Satan!

I am so glad to know what Jesus and Jehovah's feelings are on the matter! Jesus taught his disciples to pray to his Father Jehovah when he taught them the Our Father Prayer. He said to them, "you must pray this way: 'Our Father, who art in... heaven, HALLOWED BE THY NAME' '--To 'hallow' is to MAKE HOLY. So he instructed his disciples to pray to his father and God by making HOLY his name! And what is his name? Jehovah! But some argue that Yahweh is more correct.

From the February 8, 1999 Awake:

Jehovah or Yahweh?

Whereas the name Jehovah appears in the King James Version and other Bible translations, some prefer to use the name Yahweh instead of Jehovah. Which name is correct?

The most ancient Bible manuscripts were written in the Hebrew language. In the Hebrew Scriptures, the divine name occurs almost 7,000 times and is spelled with four consonants—YHWH or JHVH. These four-consonant words are commonly called the Tetragrammaton, or Tetragram, derived from two Greek words meaning “four letters.” Now the question of accurate pronunciation arises because early Hebrew writing consisted of consonants with no vowels to guide the reader. So whether the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton becomes Yahweh or Jehovah depends on which vowels the reader supplies to the four consonants. Today many Hebrew scholars prefer Yahweh as the true pronunciation.

However, consistency favors Jehovah. In what way? The pronunciation Jehovah has been accepted in English for centuries. Those who object to using this pronunciation should also object to the use of the accepted pronunciation Jeremiah and even Jesus. Jeremiah would need to be changed to Yir‧meyah′ or Yir‧meya′hu, the original Hebrew pronunciations, and Jesus would become Ye‧shu′aʽ (Hebrew) or I‧e‧sous′ (Greek). Hence, many Bible students, including Jehovah’s Witnesses, feel that consistency favors the use of the already well-known English-language “Jehovah” and its equivalent in other languages.

Does It Really Matter?

Some may argue that it does not really matter whether you address Almighty God by a personal name or not, and they are content to speak of and address God as Father or simply as God. Both these terms, however, are titles rather than names and are neither personal nor distinctive. In Bible times the word for God (ʼElo‧him′, Hebrew) was used to describe any god—even the pagan Philistine god named Dagon. ( Judges 16:23, 24) So for a Hebrew to tell a Philistine that he, the Hebrew, worshiped “God” would not have identified the true God whom he worshiped.

Of interest is a comment in The Imperial Bible-Dictionary of 1874: “[Jehovah] is everywhere a proper name, denoting the personal God and him only; whereas Elohim partakes more of the character of a common noun, denoting usually, indeed, but not necessarily nor uniformly, the Supreme. . . . The Hebrew may say the Elohim, the true God, in opposition to all false gods; but he never says the Jehovah, for Jehovah is the name of the true God only. He says again and again my God . . . ; but never my Jehovah, for when he says my God, he means Jehovah. He speaks of the God of Israel, but never of the Jehovah of Israel, for there is no other Jehovah. He speaks of the living God, but never of the living Jehovah, for he cannot conceive of Jehovah as other than living.”

I hear alot about the verses and alot about diffrent names of the lord but it seems to me that since people dont know the lord meaning people of this world thats not in the truth than they have many names me personally im a black jew an israelite and i know his name and my god is black and all praise "yahawa" israel we finaly back babalon is going to fall (america) and i cant wait for the lord to punish the nations that had something to do with hurting my people and for people that really want to here the truth come to the iraelite church of god and christ located across from hanks on ames

This is an amazing scripture and Jehovah's name should be without fail used, he wants us to use it. Lets be honest, if someone wrote my name down over 6000 times in a book I think its fair to assume they want us to use it. Plus, the first part of the model prayer is, "Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy NAME."

There seem to be two main reasons. First, many claim that the name should not be used because the original way to pronounce it is unknown today. Ancient Hebrew was written without vowels. Therefore, no one today can say for sure exactly how people of Bible times pronounced YHWH. However, should this prevent us from using God’s name? In Bible times, the name Jesus may have been pronounced Yeshua or possibly Yehoshua—no one can say for certain. Yet, people the world over today use different forms of the name Jesus, pronouncing it in the way that is common in their language. They do not hesitate to use the name just because they do not know its first-century pronunciation. Similarly, if you were to travel to a foreign land, you might well find that your own name sounds quite different in another tongue. Hence, uncertainty about the ancient pronunciation of God’s name is no reason for not using it.
A second reason often given for omitting God’s name from the Bible involves a long-standing tradition of the Jews. Many of them hold that God’s name should never be pronounced. This belief is evidently based on a misapplication of a Bible law that states: “Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.”— Exodus 20:7.

So how important is the use of Gods name? to leave it on a cliff hanger please read Romans 10:13.

All information was gained from the book entitles "What Does The Bible Really Teach." For your free copy please email me your address and contact details to [email protected] or ask for a copy next time a Jehovah's Witness knocks at your door. It's doesn't cost you a penny but a small donation is accepted if you like. I hope this helped and if you have any queries drop me an email, you can include other subjects as well.

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Refer to Maigyn's comment on 2010-05-23 12:43:53. this does noy do with your comment a sect is cult nevertheless that faith has more respect for the name Jehovah that is why they use it most of the time in their discussion. can you provide a good evidence on which sect is a cult that blotch the name Jehovah.

He does have a name. Let the whole world know it. His name is JEHOVAH. Praise it, say it. And Don't you ever forget it. For when judgment day comes you might feel like a complete moron when he comes to judge you and you don't even have the common respect to call him by his proper name,JEHOVAH.

its really great to see that jehovah's name is in this translation, god wants his name to be santified. Mt 9:6 Eze 36:23 Eze 38:23

Interestingly, true Christians in the first century had no problem using the name of God in their worship. How were they regarded? Read Acts 28:22

2nd Corinthians 4:4 tells us that satan the devil is blinding the minds of the unbelievers. Omitting God's name from the bible is only one of countless ways that he's used to do this. Not to worry though, Jehovah God promises us that his name will be known throughout the earth, and that it will be sanctified! That is the reason for the work that Jehovah's Witnesses endeavor to complete throughout the globe.Is there any other religion united throughout the entire world and that share a common belief and goal? Definitely not!

If you enter a room full of men with their backs turned to you and shout "Men!" likely all will turn around to face you. Likewise if you enter such room and shout "John!" likely only John will turn around or answer. to not use God's personal name, Jehovah, is not only disrespectful, but you run the serious risk of not differentiating him from other gods. Satan is a god too 2nd Cor: 4:4.

in response to Maigyn's comment: in order to draw close to god(Jehovah)you would use god name. For example if you are in front of a judge you use YOUR HONOR.. because that person has earned his title But.. do you every get to know that person on any level? NO, that is why in the bible there is Lord, Almighty, Creator, EXT. and then there is also Gods name Jehovah. In order to draw close to god you would use gods personal name.

I agree as well;
you cant draw close to someone if you don't know their name... wouldn't it be wierd if everything on this earth has a name except him? And woudn't you find it strange that Jesus Christ, his son, has a name but not him?
I don't think they should remove his name from any bible, Exdus 6:3 brings out this point as well that they didn't know him by the name Jehovah.

Maigyn: do you know what a cult is? Just because someone told you a group is a cult, does not make it so. Check out the definition and then check out the group's material. They are not a cult.

In response to Maigyn I would like to offer the following: Have you read Acts 15:14 where it states that God turned to the nations to take a people for his name. Thus it is important to know God's name in order to identify God's people. As well Revelation 22:18&19 states that anyone who adds to the Bible or takes away from the Bible will be receive God's judgement for doing so. How important then to leave the Bible intact, including not removing the name Jehovah.

This has nothing to do with a cult. Look up the facts somewhere like Link

This is interesting. I'm also pleased to find Jehovah's name has been kept in this online translation. Why should we not use it. When we want to get to know someone, one of the first things we do is to get to know the person's name and the person behind that name. The Author of the bible, the Most High has given us his name. No one has given me a logical reason to take this name away from people as one of the steps for getting close to their heavenly Father.

So Maigyn, just because you think that a sect or cult use the name, justify man removing it from the Bible? I think not.!!! Lord and god are all titles, not the name of someone.

Because when religions use Jehovah's name as a title, it smudges the name and things appear that a certain sect is the truth when in actuality, it a cult.

JUST REMEMBER AS THE WORD OF GOD IS GIVEN TO MAN FOR SALVATION TO SHOW OF HIS LOVE FOR HIS CREATION BEFORE AND AFTER THE FALL OF MAN AND GOD HAS BROUGHT FORTH A SAVIOR AND HIS NAME IS JESUS SALVATION NUMBER ONE AND YES ITS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE MEANINGS OF NAME THAT YOU KNOW WHAT GOD CAN DO FOR YOU IN HEAVEN AND EARTH ( ACTS 4;12)

True Worshiper of Almighty God and true follower of Jesus Christ can be determined about the name of their God or gods which in Harmony of the Bible Teaching. In order to worship God, first and foremost, a sincere and humble person must know first What is the Divine Name of God? And then Accept his Judicial decision just as God spoke to a prophet Zephaniah 2:2,3.

Why are so many religion's removing "Jehovah" out of there bibles? The New King James Bible has removed it. Wouldn't a person want to be called by his name, not human or person. So why do that to Jehovah.

To tod Merriman and Jos,

tod-in the Revised KJV you will not find JEHOVAH'S name at Psalm 83:18. Where you will find it is at the back of your bible under Jehovah and it has the one or few places you are supposed to "know" to replace the word God for JEHOVAH.

Jo's- Please remember that a "God" is anything that is worshipped. Budda is a "God" just as money can become a "God". This is something that help me come to a better understanding of the name of the only true God, JEHOVAH GOD. :

If you want someone to get to know you, what might you do? Would you not tell the person your name? Does God have a name? Many religions answer that his name is “God” or “Lord,” but those are not personal names. They are titles, just as “king” and “president” are titles. The Bible teaches that God has many titles. “God” and “Lord” are among them. However, the Bible also teaches that God has a personal name: Jehovah. Psalm 83:18 says: “You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.” If your Bible translation does not contain that name, you may want to consult the Appendix of this book (What Does the Bible REALLY teach? {A Publication of Jehovah's Witnesses}) to learn why that is so. The truth is that God’s name appears thousands of times in ancient Bible manuscripts. So Jehovah wants you to know his name and to use it. In a sense, he is using the Bible to introduce himself to you.

God gave himself a name that is full of meaning. His name, Jehovah, means that God can fulfill any promise he makes and can carry out any purpose he has in mind.* God’s name is unique, one of a kind. It belongs only to him. In a number of ways, Jehovah is unique. How is that so?

We saw that Psalm 83:18 said of Jehovah: “You alone are the Most High.” Similarly, Jehovah alone is referred to as “the Almighty.” Revelation 15:3 says: “Great and wonderful are your works, Jehovah God, the Almighty. Righteous and true are your ways, King of eternity.” The title “the Almighty” teaches us that Jehovah is the most powerful being there is. His power is unmatched; it is supreme. And the title “King of eternity” reminds us that Jehovah is unique in another sense. He alone has always existed. Psalm 90:2 says: “Even from time indefinite to time indefinite [or, forever] you are God.” That thought inspires awe, does it not?

Jehovah is also unique in that he alone is the Creator. Revelation 4:11 reads: “You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created.” Everything that you can think of—from the invisible spirit creatures in heaven to the stars that fill the night sky to the fruit that grows on the trees to the fish that swim in the oceans and rivers—all of it exists because Jehovah is the Creator! (End of the section from the book)

One last thing. In what most people call "The Lord's Prayer", at the begin it states "Our father...holy be thy name." Who's name? JEHOVAH!