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Chris Gods Word states in 2 Peter 1:20+21 that all scripture is prophecy so prophecy biblically is telling past present and future. Now then prophecy relating to future operating in the church is used to bless and protect believers. I witnessed a situation where someone was to go to this specific gathering with there son would be healed. Of course the person obeyed and he was . Also that is revelation or revealed information from God specific to a situation. Whats amazing to me is people tell me the spirit showed me or told me this or that but they don't believe God can work in this way. God is always talking to us if we have our spiritual ears open. 1 Corinthians 2:9 comes to mind, I'm convinced that because of a lot of corrupt examples and frankly no clear understanding or confusion in this biblical field it is not operating as effective as it could be spiritually. Prayerfully that helps.

Thanks, Chris.

I will study it a bit more and maybe Docetism, as you suggested. I don't think I am called at this time to dig deeper into this heresy, just wanted to follow up on the heads up given me by the Holy Spirit, who has blessed me with a discerning heart. We are in deceptive times, and so many people are just not well grounded spiritually and are easily led into dubious practices and experiences that are a mimicry as well as a mockery of the work that the Holy Spirit actually does in the life of believers as well as some truly unbiblical things that involve the occult and pagan idolaterous practices. I don't want to have anything to do with such things. I don't seek after spiritual experiences, but am open to the work of the Spirit in ways that align with Scripture, which they always will if they are of the Spirit. Gnostics seek after hidden knowledge thinking they are going deeper into the things of God, but, like the Jewish rabbis who use the Talmud or Kabbalah books and practices to find hidden meaning in each and every word, letter, jot and tittle of the Torah, they are practicing divination and reaching into the spirit world in dangerous ways. Those who pursue hidden knowledge even in Scripture end up missing the truth about Jesus in the Word and can make this pursuit and idol.

Brother Rick, I was just interested to know what people refer to when they say that their Church was blessed with a prophecy today. My understanding of prophecy is a prophetical utterance received from God for events still in the future, not published previously. Of course, Israel & Judah received many prophecies over different periods by different prophets, but as reminders of what God would do to them (both good & bad) in respect to their behaviour & His Promises. But if today's Church believes that prophecies can be, for example, 'The Lord has spoken that Mrs. Jones will be healed of cancer by early next year' or 'Mr. Smith will secure that job that seems impossible to get', I don't connect this to biblical prophecy - a Word from God, yes - but I would think that many believers already get clear Words or spiritual impressions from the Spirit to say or do certain things. Is this prophecy, is my question?

Yes GiGi, now that will be a very enlightening subject for you to study: Gnosticsm. As you know, the word has its root in 'Gnosis' = knowledge (especially with spiritual matters/insight). It was running rampant in the early Church (through false teachers) & very evident today in all religions & sadly, Christianity. The apostles had to deal with it (see 1 John as being specifically written to believers to warn them & being his exposition on this subject & its entrance into Christianity). While you're at it, have a look at Docetism, an off-shoot of Gnosticsm.

A blessed brother from a previous Fellowship I attended, actually spent several years researching this subject & published a very thick book of over 700 pages, entitled: "Many will be deceived: An Urgent Message to Christians". In it he writes of 'Satan's chronology of deception, through: Greek philosopy, Gnosticsm, False eschatologies, Replacement Theology, Spiritual Elitism, Church liberalism, Darwinism, Communism, Nazism, etc.' Just sharing this if you wanted to dig deeper into the subject, available on Kindle as well. The book is very heavy-going; taking me over a year to work through. Blessings.

Hi, just jumping in, if I may. In the past week I have felt led to study some on Gnosticism, as one of its tenets is for adherents who "have the inner light" will receive special revelations and hidden knowledge outside of Scripture. Perhaps you could study this a bit, also. "The Gnosticism of Modern Evangelicalism" is a good article. There are more. Much of Gnostic practice is really occultism. For this reason, I am not drawn to participate in situations where people relay a "prophecy" from God or when people tell me that the "Spirit told me to tell you" type of conversations. I am not saying that these things cannot be legit, but most of the time, I think they are not, especially if someone claims to receive such prophecies and knowledge in "private" settings. Something to consider.

Brother Chris The problem with what your asking is a lot of times prophecy isn't public in Gods word many times men or women were given prophetic info privately. I have yet to hear from any so called well known individuals that what they say as prophecy comes to pass. That being said I fully appreciate where your coming from. It reminds me of Isaiah and Jeremiah where God ask Judea and Israel why are you listening to false prophesies from the gods they were worshipping.

The false prophets promised abundance but the true God said to return to Him.

Hi Chris With all due respect you appear that unless you experience something you don't believe, this is not me being critical just an observation brother. The other side of the coin is as I shared with people just because you had an experience doesn't make it of the true God because experience is no guarantee for truth it must line up with Gods Word. May God continue to guide our spiritual footsteps.

Chris The problem with what your asking is will it be believed and that being said I'm going on to something else God Bless, I choose to believe then see some choose to see then believe.

Thanks brother Rick for reiterating that point. This matter has come up several times before, to which I've addressed, no one yet has put up his hand to give some examples of someone's special calling or proofs to be God's prophet, nor samples of their public addresses to which I might relate or have a better understanding. To that end, I will have to hold onto my understanding until I'm led further into the other side of the matter, or if someone can share something of present-day prophecy.

Chris As I said before by personal experience I have seen all five Gift ministries in operation so I'll stick with It Is Written and your understanding is your privilege.

Thank you for that response, brother Rick. It is true, that there are many things that I believe & write that I am fully convinced of, because that is what I find in the Scriptures. The 'apostolic age' (meaning, the era or set period) ended with the twelve disciples becoming apostles (i.e. from a position of learning/training to a position of being sent out on a mission/a messenger: 'apostolos').

Then we get Saul coming out of nowhere & never numbered with the twelve apostles. We know the difficulty he had with that, in spite of him believing what the Lord Jesus Who appeared to him from Heaven, declared ( Acts 26:13-18, before King Agrippa). Even when the Corinthians began to doubt his apostleship, Paul had to declare that he was called by the Lord to this work ( 1 Corinthians 15:7-9, the least of the apostles & one born out of due time). And there are many other references where Paul had to prove his calling & apostleship. Yet, he was a chosen vessel having seen the risen Christ just as the other twelve did. So we get a clear idea of what the position of an apostle is. If we then attempt to bring that into the post-apostolic period, then the closest we can equate that to, is the Missionary, who does the work of the apostle, especially if he has had that heavenly vision.

In relation to prophets, this seems clearer. You know what the prophetical utterances & writings are, as seen in the Word. And you also know, the Book of the Revelation given to John with the stern warning in Revelation 22:18,19. In my understanding, what could a supposed prophet of God reveal to us that is more than what we find in the OT & NT till the final revelation? No one has yet declared a prophetical event in the future with any certainty. Many have tried & their prophecies have failed. And to overcome this problem of the end of the prophetical voice, some believe that a so-called prophet who brings any message, becomes a prophetical word. I think a preacher/teacher does that quite well.

Chris To state with any kind of absolution that Gods Word says that there are no apostles or prophets now when I don't see literally written is taking unfounded liberty. I endeavor not to add or subtract what is not written but was is written is God gave all five gift ministries to the church in this the age of grace which is still in operation and I have met men operating in these capacities. It Is Written

Brother Chris In Ephesians 4:11 is written in this the age of grace the body of Christ which is still active that the reason for apostles prophets evangelists pastors and teachers is for the edifying or building up of the church which is still in existence, so therefore these ministries still have to be in operation in the body of Christ. I don't read anywhere in scripture where it says the apostolic age ended. I in fact I never read in Gods Word apostolic age?

Hello Gwen. In Ephesians 4:11-13, the Apostle Paul shows us how the Church, Christ's Body, would be comprised - for the building up of His Church. So, in this respect, both men & women can be so equipped by Christ's Spirit to be used of Him. However, in respect to "apostles & prophets", we can keep in mind that the apostolic line ended with the death of the last apostle (John), & the prophetic word (i.e. the true Word from God about future events) also ended at the Book of the Revelation. But the other appointments within the Church still go on (evangelists, pastors & teachers) & will do so till Jesus comes for His Church.

However, maybe you're thinking of women being pastors, as in leading the congregation & teaching from the Word. Then the Apostle Paul speaks again, to Pastor Timothy this time, in 1 Timothy 2:11-13, that as much as women too can teach from the Word, they are to refrain from doing so when in the Church. The word "pastor" means 'shepherd'. Certainly, women can shepherd others in their Christian walk, as there can be many 'pastors' in the Church (men & women). However, today, that word, 'Pastor', is generally applied to a 'Shepherd cum Teacher cum Preacher' when this appointment wouldn't be permissible for women. That is why Elders were appointed in every Church ( Acts 14:23), & they alone were given charge of the teaching, leadership & oversight of their congregations. Today, we see a number of congregations that have women taking charge of them & teaching from the pulpit. I can only refer to the Scriptures in response - they & the Churches will have to give account to God.

What does the King James Bible say about women being Pastors?

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Good morning brother Chris!

Oh, the power of this discussion! So much to share together and expand our minds in the Spirit.

Your last post opens a wealth of information contained in both the Old and New Testaments as we know them.

We must agree that we have, and will keep, very separate views of the story of the beggar, Lazarus. I have no problem with our differing views as it is my firm conviction, that with few verese excluded, God reveals truth on an individual basis. This is where we two are on this scripture.

My personal belief is that ALL souls do, and always have, leave the body and go to a "holding place" until the gathering of the church by Christ. Further, I do not believe there is a "chasm" between the good and bad souls across which the two sides can see and talk with each other; prior to the resurrection or afterward.

Revelation 20:14 says that death and hades, Greek, (Sheol Hebrew), are thrown into the lake of fire. Why? Because they are no longer part of God's realm - death will be absent in eternity and the residence of the souls is unnecessary because of the judgment of the non-believer in verse 20:11.

I believe Revelation 20:14 explains the place all souls reside after death until the gathering of the church and the following judgment of the lost. If the place is named, its location is not. However, it does exist and verses indicate Christ visited Sheol during the three days prior to the resurrection - 1 Peter 3:18-20; Ephesians 4:9-10, (see Psalms 68:18, Isaiah 61:1-2, and Luke 4:18).

Why would Christ visit the souls in Sheol? All covenants before that of Christ did not include salvation, only atonement for sin by animal blood. The spirits of all that died prior to the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ were given the chance to acknowledge Christ and His salvation to allow them to be participants in the salvation provided by the resurrection.

God would have none perish in the eternal fire as He is love.

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You have sometimes thought God walked off and forgot about you; but He doesn't do that. Within you He was growing the spirit of adoption.

Everything you've endured was to bring you to this day. How do I know that? I was brought that way too. I was the little gray duck in a family of swans.

Some day, even now, you'll be able to embrace the great work that God has been doing within your heart. Only you know the hollow feeling of not really belonging anywhere.

In the perfect time, God sent forth the Spirit of Adoption, into your life. His name is Jesus. He is your ABBA. Your Daddy.

Daddy means as close to his heart as you desire of him. Now write these 2 verses on the inside cover of your Bible.

Psalms 27:10 - When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.

Psalms 68:6

God setteth the Solitary in families: he bringeth out those which are bound with chains: but the rebellious dwell in a dry land.

You're not a mistake. There is a plan in place for you. Let go of the past, and embrace your adoption and the future. Ask Him now to complete the work in your heart. Get still and listen for the Holy Spirits voice. One of peace; not fear and confusion.

I'm not speaking out of my flesh here. You are to have this Word now.

Mishael

I'm working on that now. I will let you know when it's being posted.

In the past 12years or so; more movies, Youtube, tv, books and near death testimonies are being revealed. It's a blessing to me. Not a private club. It is Jesus showing us that He is real; He is most certainly alive! He is who He says He is.

We are to tell our testimonies as The Holy Spirit moves us to.

I told my testimony one night at small groups. No one spoke, except for one young woman. She told hers, looking into my eyes. How she had been born into a family that believed in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. She had been in church all of her life. How it was not supernatural or amazing, but just a normal life long walk with God.

I wept all the way home! Her testimony impressed ME so powerfully! That's the way it's supposed to happen. You raise your children like her parents did.

A lady preacher once said to me, very earnestly: Jesus brings us to Himself, the EASIEST way we will come to Him.

That some of us get there looking like a wreck...but Praise God we made it!!! I've never forgotten her words.

I am Psalms 68:6

Psalms 100:4

Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

1 Samuel 18:6

And it came to pass as they came, when David was returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, that the women came out of all cities of Israel, singing and dancing, to meet king Saul, with tabrets, with joy, and with instruments of musick.

2 Samuel 6:5

And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.

1 Chronicles 15:16

And David spake to the chief of the Levites to appoint their brethren to be the singers with instruments of musick, psalteries and harps and cymbals, sounding, by lifting up the voice with joy.

2 Chronicles 5:13

It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of musick, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD;

2 Chronicles 7:6

And the priests waited on their offices: the Levites also with instruments of musick of the LORD, which David the king had made to praise the LORD, because his mercy endureth for ever, when David praised by their ministry; and the priests sounded trumpets before them, and all Israel stood.

Nehemiah 12:36

And his brethren, with the MUSICAL instruments of David the man of God, and Ezra the scribe before them.

Psalms 68:25

The singers went before, the players on instruments followed after; among them were the damsels playing with timbrels.

Psalms 87:7

As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there: all my springs are in thee.

Psalms 150:4

Praise him with the timbrel and dance:

HELLO I'm Anna how are you feeling do

I have to read chapter 68 wish one is its all the above

According to Strong's Hebrew Lexicon, "Jah" is a shortened version of "Jehovah". The name "Jah" is rendered 48 times elsewhere in the King James version as "LORD". The name "Jesus" means "Jehovah is salvation".

1 Timothy 2:5-6 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."

Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

So do you all think by calling out the name Jesus is wrong even though you been thought that was the only name? And now that the book clearly say Yah or Jah!!!

princes shall come out of Egypt Ethiopia shall stretch her hands unto JAHOVIAH King Rastafari he was crowned 1930 2 November as the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords the conquering Lion of the tribe of Judah Elect of God and light of this world . read it in revelation Selah

The Only Place JAH is Used is Verse 4. Psalms 83:18 --- Whose Name Alone is JEHOVAH

JAH is the shortened form of the name JEHOVAH like mentioned in Psalms 83:18 😊❤️

In Psalms 68:4 it says Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.

Verse 19~Jehovah God can help us to daily carry our loads. We should give him praise and thanks for this.

Psalms 68:20. The God whom we serve is the God who is able to save the lost and set free from death and death sentences

In verse 5 Jehovah God causes himself to become a father to the fatherless.

The O.T. believers died in faith, not sin. Those are the ones Jesus "led captivity captive" into Abraham's bosom. Believers don't die in sin.