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  • HARRY ALLISON on Proverbs 8:13 - 13 years ago
    OVER the years of hardship and lifelessness,i sincerely encourage those that have breath to hate evil as JESUS does .evil separates us from our closeness with JESUS...SAY no to drugs and promiscuity...(sleeping around)...death awaits!JESUS LOVES YOU ....
  • Emmanuel on Proverbs 8 - 13 years ago
    PROVERBS 8 shows us that God's wisdom is the main thing anyone will get once we are in tune w/ his will and heart..
    not knowledge nor salvation...
    having wisdom coming from God himself is greater than anything else since it was there before the universe was created...
    this passage dont talk about God's sovereignity or Jesus being God...it talks about wisdom and how are we to view it...
    that;s why it said at the begginning of the passage
    "Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?"
  • HARRY ALLISON on Proverbs 8 - 13 years ago
    I WONDER how many people who think they are saved ,really arent.I must be saved according to JESUS `S WORDS and COMMANDS. ACTS 2 ;38 all the way.
  • Patience on Proverbs 8:22 - 13 years ago
    This scripture shows that Jesus is not God, because it says Jehovah created Jesus. Which makes Jehovah greater than him.
  • Garyloyd on Genesis 1 - 13 years ago
    Levi wisdom was Proverbs 8:22 to 31 and in 31 you will see that you are there along with all of us. Moses was most likely the scribe. Creation was spoken of in Isaiah 45:18. Along time before this renewal took place of planet earth. The first earth age was destroyed,made to a wilderness in Jeremiah 4:22 to 27 and after that katabole (cast down overthrow) you see there God telling us "not to a full end" no not Noahs flood there is no boat or people left in the first flood. 2 Peter 3 speaks of this and were not to be ignorant of it. The 4th word in the 2nd verse is hayah and it means and translates "became" not "was". God got mad and sunk the earth in water and washed it like a bowl 14000 years ago because of an attempted overthrow by satan. Things froze up pretty cold and then God turned the light back on. All that I said I can prove in the scripture but I my self have an opinion about something that I can't prove to be scripture and that is verse 4 where I believe God seperated the children of light from the children of the darkness. If you read the Parable of the Sower Matt. 13:37 to 43 you see the seperation of children and who sows them. We know 2 of every flesh got on the 2nd flood boat with Noah and his family so that means 2 kenites (sons of Cain) and they show up in 1st Chron. 2:55. Oh! Eve didn't eat an apple in the fig grove with Satan the serpent who was the tree of good who turned evil. Nope! Cain came from his daddy the tree of good and evil and that's the contravesy spoken of between the seeds. (Sperm) generations not yet born. Anyway, we were all replenished in the flesh this second earth age and this first chapter is speaking of getting things back in order to live in the flesh.
  • Garyloyd on Genesis 1 - 13 years ago
    Levi`s. Proverbs 8:22 to 31. Wisdom was there. 31. Children were there. Gospel of John the word was there and the word was God. Fathers image is the One who sits on the Throne.
  • Joseph Ododo on Proverbs 8:18 - 13 years ago
    Covenant statement by God for anyone who will avail himself.
  • MARK on Proverbs 8:17 - 13 years ago
    COULD THIS BE SPEAKING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ?? SPIRIT WAS THERE IN THE CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE AS DESCEIBED IN FIRST BOOK OF GENESIS.
  • Garyloyd on Jeremiah 50 - 13 years ago
    In verse one."rise up against me". Last letters come first. This statement means individuals go against God in confusion from the deception. Or you could say converted chaldeans.(2) speaks of the elect.(3) brigandine is armor. Elect and truth run it off the earth.(4) is when they realize the truth.on to (6) come out of Babylon or meaning confusion.(7) Revelation 17:4 ,5 to understand the one world religion so pretty all are drunk in deception loving their new god.(8) can't be healed.(9) Zechariah 5, the dirty bird stork, the woman and she sitteth in the midst of the ephah and that ephah means religion. (10) Gods work. (11) seeing shields I think of Syrus chosen from before his birth. Also it shall come to pass.(12) truth prevails.(13) the hidden truth and that white wash washed away and we will see the truth.no more deception.(14) caterpillers/locust. And then the honest people will swarm them like they did us.(15) Isaiah 45:18,19 and Proverbs 8:22 to 31. Father with His wisdom created a beautiful earth and is in controll.(17) is man is stupit make false religions and playing church. They didn't read the word and learned one verse a week and chase after an antichrist and were decieved.(18) only the good are left.
  • Garyloyd on Jeremiah 1 - 13 years ago
    God knew us all when we shouted for joy when He created the earth in Isaiah 45:18, Proverbs 8:31,Job38:7 - 2nd Peter 3 and many translated "Foundations" of the meaning is katabole in the New Testament which was an attempted overthrow by Lucifer and instead of God destroying a third of His children that follow satan the dragon Our God decided to destroy that earth age and sunk the earth in water and we were replenish in the flesh. We were all pretty stupit and even thoe we had lived millions of years we didn't know what Family really was or meant.
    Jeremiah launched forth and as we see to all the Nations, in other words a Prophet to the world until the fig tree generation,the last one, jeremiah must of been a pretty good person in the first earth age because God ordained him when he was in his mothers womb. In this writting that lasted 40 years he is 21 years old at the start and this Book is written to the House of Judah. We see God speaks of the 10 tribes that had been taken captive 200 years before and at this time they had already scattered over the mountains. In this writting God is talking History at the time and when speaking of the House of Isreal He is speaking future. So what I see is when I was reading chapter 8 and its speaking of antichrist coming from the north that the preachers that were supposed to warn us were playing church and the people coming out are saying, my temple,my temple, my temple says this and my church says that and the people never read the Word of God to know what He says so they can receive blessing. I notice that God sees these as houses or churches that don't teach the full word of God so that the people know the full truth of the Book that these one verse charlie churches are dung. I`ll have to read on but I think verse 7:23 is something we should think hard on. Study the word and don't trust any man in a building with your life.
  • Jean on Proverbs 8 - 13 years ago
    I am in awe with God and his wisdom. Not only did he creat the heavens and the earth through wisdom, she rejoices in the inhabital earth and her delights are with the "sons" of man. Men, wake up, be wise and strong, we ladies are counting on you. :)
  • Jeff davis on Proverbs 8 - 13 years ago
    What i get out of it is the more you seek the wisdom of God, the more knowledge he allow's you to recieve.And this fact is for anyone who think's that the world is billion's of year's old,it's not!If you read the word of God(Bible)He (GOD) say's that the world is about six thousand year's old.Were coming upon the seventh,according to the word of God.Another thing is,Jesus is God( Isaiah 9:6), Deuteronomy 6:4, John 10:30, 1 Timothy 3:16, Ephesians 4:4-6,ect. it states in the Bible about 2,800 times that there is only ONE God!Jesus is the saviour and there is only one( Isaiah 43:11),and again in Luke 1:47...God my saviour..It seem's pretty straight forward to me,"My sheep hear my voice",are you hearing the word of God? Don't let man's interpetation miss lead you"sheep in wolves clothing",this once saved, alway's saved stuff.Even Paul said"I die daily",so what do you think he's talking about?Do youself a favor,and repent,be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sin's( Acts 2:38,39)that's the"KEYS" to heaven,Jesus gave them to Peter and taght him how to start the"church".Any other way is a thief and a robber,only the straight and the narrow way lead's to salvation.All the baptizum's in the Bible( Acts 8,10,12,18,22...)are in the NAME of The Lord Jesus Christ,not in the title's father,son,and the Holy Ghost.Stop and pray...in the name of Jesus to lead you down the right path!Has anyone ever prayed father,son,and Holy Spirit for a healing and recieved one?There is NO power in the title's!All you do,in word and or deed, do in the NAME of Jesus Christ,that's what God's word instruct's us to do!Do you speak in toung's?Jesus' mother did,and so did the first 120 that gladly recieved the Holy Spirit,in the upper room where Jesus told them to wait for the promise of the Father,Who showed up?Jesus did!!!Not the first part of a three-som,or the second,or the third,it was ALL JESUS and even Thomas said after he doughted,"My Lord and My God!There wasn't 2 Spirit's standing there!Just Jesus,and if you don't believe this salvation message, then you will die in your sin's,according to the "WORD of GOD",you have 2 ear's to hear with,listen...God is calling you.............................
  • Garyloyd on Genesis 1 - 13 years ago
    Joe`s. Then what do you do about the rest of the scriptures as @ Peter 3:5 to 7 where its speaks of the world that was and the world of old and when looking up words you find out there are going to be three earth age`s and this one is in the middle. Also then we would have to change Jeremiah 4:23 to 26 or take it out where we all got stupit and all the cities gone and man was taken off the earth and animals/birds gone. Then we best go to Isaiah 45:18 and change how GOD created a beautiful earth in the beginning. Oh! We need to change that fourth word was "hayah" because if you look up code #1961 for was it turns out the earth became without form and void. Proverbs 8:22 to the end would have to be changed where God tells us He had wisdom and created a wonderfull place for His children to live and Him and his wisdom and all the children were shouting for joy because of it was beautiful. We need to go back to Job and make changes with 38:7 where it says the complete family was there and it was beautiful. We would have to go to the New Testamant and change the word "foundation" all when speaking of the creation and what took place in the mysteries of God when you look up the word it is katabole and means cast down overthrow and fits all together with Ezekiel 28 where pride got to satan and he tried to steal Gods throne. Plus we would need to go to Revelation and take out verse 4 where satan as the dragon took a third of God`s children. Oh, yeah! Need to take out Matt 13 where it explains in verse 36 to 44 that satan stold children and cast them to the earth and they are tares. I think we should just keep the scriptures God gave us they all work together just right and that onee word replenish, well, it means just what it means that this is our second time on this planet earth. I say that because God said Jacob I loved and Esau I hated and to say something like that God had to live and knew Esau. Just as when you read Jeremiah and ordained Jeremiah in the first earth age and tells us that He,God knew jeremiah before he put him in his Mothers womb. Let's just study hard and learn the word and not keep one word plenish and toss all the rest of the scriptures out.
  • G.L. on Genesis 1:1 - 13 years ago
    I believe this was millions of years ago and God created a beautiful earth as He said in Isaiah 45:18. At that time we were with Him as its spoken of in Proverbs 8:31 and again the whole family was mentioned in Job 38:7.
  • Anonymous on Malachi 4 - 13 years ago
    what does proverbs 8:22 mean
  • Garyloyd on Proverbs 8 - 13 years ago
    What I receive from this. Billions of years ago God created a home for us. Wisdom was flowing from Father in joyful happiness and we sons of man and wo-man were very happy. For the earth is so beautiful a place to live. God is powerful created matter and atoms. If you read Job 38:7 that same subject has all the family stars and sons of men..we are His stars and sons & wo-men.
  • Carolyn on Genesis 1 - 13 years ago
    THE BEGINNING CAME OUT OF ETERNITY: EXAMPLE ETERNITY-(INFINITE DURATION) ITS LIKE A COMPLETE
    CIRCLE-[O] (IT NEVER ENDS. BEFORE THE MOUNTAINS WERE BROUGHT FORTH, OR EVER THOU HADST FORMED THE EARTH AND THE WORLD, EVEN FROM EVERLASTING TO EVERLASTING, THOU ART GOD- PSALM 90:1.
    GOD IS ABSOLUTE. HE IS ETERNAL OR SOVERIGN. HE IS THE BEGINNING AND END.WISDOM BEING STYLED AS A FEMALE- PROVERBS 8:1-4. SAYS THE LORD POSSESSED WISDOM IN THE BEGINNING OF HIS WAY, BEFORE HIS
    WORKS OF OLD (ANCIENT)WISDOM SAYS SHE WAS SET UP FROM EVERLASTING, FROM THE BEGINNING, OR EVER THE EARTH WAS. WISDOM SAYS "WHEN THERE WERE NO DEPTH, I WAS BROUGHT FORTH; WHEN THERE WERE NO FOUNDATIONS ABOUNDING WITH WATER. BEFORE THE MOUNTAINS WERE SETTLED, BEFORE THE HILLS WAS SHE BROUGHT FORTH:WHILE AS YET HE HAD MADE THE EARTH, NOR THE FIELDS, NOR THE HIGHEST PART OF THE DUST OF THE WORLD" .WISDOM SAYS, "WHEN HE PREPARED THE HEAVENS, SHE WAS THERE- IN OTHER WORDS SHE WAS THERE BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.GOD HAD THE PLAN OF SALVATION FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD- IT JUST DID'NT BEGIN IN THE BEGINNING. CHRIST IS AND WAS IN GOD...AND SO WERE AND ARE WE. MS. THOMAS
  • Annie on Proverbs 8 - 13 years ago
    wisdom was there before the heavens and earth was create.
  • The Truth on John 3:16 - 13 years ago
    Begotten when applied to Jesus Means that he was the only one of God's creations the God Directly created The Firstborn of creations( Colossians 1:15,16)All other creation creations Jesus made. Jesus being the Master worker ( Proverbs 8:30)
  • CoolJ on Proverbs 8 - 14 years ago
    Hey, Are we not in awe of the wisdom of our God? Truly what an awesome God I served. There is none like you. For through your wisdom you have created the heavens and the earth. Amen!
  • Chukwuagwu chukwuemeka.c on Proverbs 8:2 - 14 years ago
    i luv ur translations,it makes the reader to understand clear
  • Kelley on Proverbs 8:31 - 14 years ago
    Jesus was Enjoying! his fathers Earth! But he was very Fund of us! the scriputre shows that Jesus really loves Mankind! =)
  • Kelley on Proverbs 8:30 - 14 years ago
    This Shows how happy Jesus was with his Father "Jehovah" He was his Master worker Please look at Col.1:15-20 And I love the way Proverbs shows that he was rejocing before him all the time!! Know some people think Proverbs 8:22-30 is speaking of Solomon? No this Jesus! =)
  • Coonan on Proverbs 8 - 14 years ago
    I think Chosen Vessel is a very confused individual and really needs to rethink their "New Age" look at who God really is and isn't...
    I feel bad for them
  • Reggie on Proverbs 8 - 14 years ago
    At the concern over gender issues of wisdom crying and putting forth "HER" voice is a pronoun of relativity. As the church is relative to Jesus -" The Bride of Christ " but to the world the church is very masculine See Eph. 6:10 tru 17. You don't get any more masculine than putting on the whole armour of God and wrestling against powers and rulers of darkness. No sane intelligent person would ascribe that to be feminine.
    But to consider Chosen Vessels comment posted 8/04/2010; I am constrained to say iv'e never heard such gobbledy gook! Jesus refered to the Holy Ghost as He over and over again in John chs. 14 tru 16. I believe it would be wisdom to agree with Jesus on this one and pray that Chosen would be delivered from confusion. To ascribe God the Father as( sub atomic darkness ), is not only unscriptural, but ignorance at best and perverting the Word of truth at worst. James 1:17 states He is the Father of Lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. There is not even a shadow much less darkness with Father God. And John states in 1 John 1:5 that God is light, and in him is NO DARKNESS!! sub-atomic or otherwise. Prov. ch 8 & vs.7 wisdom cries out "For my mouth shall speak truth" Jesus said,"I am the way, the truth, and the life." John 14:6 And no man cometh unto the Father but by me. We are not coming to (sub-atomic darkness) we are coming out of darkness into His wonderful light.A notable sign of wisdom is vs.7 "SPEAK TRUTH".
  • Denson Dube on Proverbs 8 - 14 years ago
    The Bible was not written in English, hullo!!
    The feminine or masculine forms in many languages has 'nothing' to do with "male" and "female" as such. In French, 'car' is feminine and in English a ship is feminine. "She" sunk(The Titanic) on her 'maiden' voyage. I like to use 'virgin' olive oil in my food. I am looking for the 'male' plug for my electronic gadget. Language is purely conventional. Calling God "He" does not make Him "male" nor does the use of feminine pronouns for Wisdom imply the source of wisdom is the great SHE! It is just the necessity of using pronouns that one has to choose 'he', 'she' or 'it' for English. Pronouns serve as placeholders for nouns and proper nouns. No gender is necessarily implied with the exception of people and animals where gender is obviously implied.
    The literal meaning or translation would be to remove the pronoun and put the noun. Illiterate feminism is responsible for this mindless debate. This is a non-issue. In any case, there are languages where there are no gender pronouns. There is a pronoun for people and another for things(non-persons). For such languages, it is hard to have this sort of discussion.
    So, please people, give us a break, will you!
  • Linda on Proverbs 8 - 14 years ago
    PROVERBS CHAPTER 8: IF YOU FIND HIM YOU FIND LIFE AND OBTAIN FAVORS. HIS WORDS ARE RIGHTEOUS: IT IS SIMPLE TO THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND AND RIGHT TO THOSE WHO FIND KNOWLEDGE. HEAR INSTRUCTION AND DO NOT REFUSE IT
  • Gary on Genesis 1 - 14 years ago
    John tells us in His Gospel chapter 1:1 thru 4. The Word is God and He created all. So, God is Christ Jesus. Yahveh came and died on the Cross and thru the name of Jesus we have credentials if we believe, ( Isaiah 45:21God is Our Saviour )He gave up His life for our sins, we ask in the name of Jesus. God said it to us! Check Proverbs 8:31 at creation. But the Book of Job where got tell of creation in chapter 38 in verse 7 includes every soul created. In Genesis the first age was destroyed, well, sunk in water and washed real good. In that flood of Jeremiah. Water gone and no Noah or family. In Noah`s flood the water receeded. It took time. As we read 2 Peter 3:5 tells us of the world of old and in 6 tells us completely flooded and we read of God getting mad in Jeremiah 4:22. Then Peter says in 7. This world I'm standing on now is for fire. God burns all the evil off it. So, when He said that He was telling us we were gona look exactly as we do, then and now. REPLENISH! 2nd time around.God wouldn't ask us to do something unless He Himself wouldn't do it.he loves us.
  • Garyloyd newman on Genesis 1 - 14 years ago
    Job 38:7 sons of God. The whole family was there. Proverbs 8:31 the family was ther with God and His Wisdom. Let us create man in Our Image. The One Who Created All things In John the Gospel is standing there saying it with His "all" His children, The Word is Standing there speaking to Us. One God Father and one family. Read Job & proverbs 8. G
  • Mcgi.org/en/topics/blog_articles/ on John 1 - 14 years ago
    Who is JESUS??? He the Son of GOD or the bible signify the Wisdom of God...in the Book of Proverbs 8:22 is not Christ. He cited 1 Corinthians 1:30 and hastily concluded that Christ is the wisdom for salvation and redemption only, and not the Wisdom instrumental in the creation of every existing thing. Here were his allegations:
    A careful look at the above cited verses will reveal to us the following facts —

    1. The Wisdom of God is a mystery

    2. The hidden Wisdom ordained by God was before the world

    3. It was not known by the princes of this world

    Due to these, they crucified the Lord of Glory.

    The Wisdom of God being mentioned by Paul here is the Wisdom in a mystery, the hidden Wisdom, which is the Lord of Glory. Remember that this Wisdom was ordained by God before the World.
    Who is the Lord of Glory?
    ( James 2:1) “My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.”

    It is crystal clear, therefore, that the Wisdom mentioned by Paul who existed and was ordained by God before the world is the Lord Jesus Christ — The Lord of Glory.

    It this the same Wisdom being mentioned in the Book of Proverbs?

    ( 1 Corinthians 1:24) “But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”

    The Apostle Paul said, “The Wisdom of God.” A little knowledge in grammar will teach us know that there is no other Wisdom of God because he used the definite article ‘the.’ However, Christ is the Wisdom of God to those who are called. No wonder, Tumbok does not understand because he was not called. God calls people into the Church of God and not in any church founded by man.

    ( 1 Corinthians 1:1-2) “Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours…”

    It is in the Church of God that God calls people which He considers worthy of serving Him. If there are those who do not consider Christ as ‘the’ Wisdom of God, they are the enemies of Christ.

    ( 1 Corinthians 1:23-24) “But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”

    Christ is not the Wisdom of God to those who were not called into the Church of God, but a ‘stumbling block’ and foolishness. Certainly, He is the same Wisdom being mentioned in Proverbs 8:22

    ( Proverbs 8:22) “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”

    The word ‘possessed’ being used by the Wisdom (referring to Christ) is very much apparent in the declaration of John.

    ( John 1:18) “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”

    The Wisdom was possessed by the Father in the beginning of His ways, before His works of old. The succeeding verses, the 23rd and the 24th, prove that He was begotten before anything was made.

    ( Proverbs 8:23-24) “I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.”

    No other being in the universe was brought forth or begotten of the Father other than the only begotten Son, which was in the beginning, the Wisdom in the bosom of the Father.

    ( Hebrews 1:5) “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?”

    He is also the Son mentioned in the Book of Proverbs, which was with the Father in the creation of everything.

    ( Proverbs 30:4) “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?”

    He is the person to whom God was speaking, in the creation of man.

    ( Genesis 1:26) “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”

    Others conclude (which were always erroneous) that God was speaking to angels; but this is not so. God was speaking to someone who has the same image as He has, and there is no other person in the universe or beyond it, that has the exact image of God other than the Son.

    ( Hebrews 1:1-3) “God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high…”

    Note that by the Son he made the worlds. The Son is the express image of His person. These reasonings of Saint Paul jive with the preaching of John in his gospel.

    ( John 1:1-3) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

    To sum up, that Jesus Christ really is the Wisdom of God being mentioned in the Book of Proverbs, let us look at the verses a second time.

    ( Proverbs 8:22-30) “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him…”

    I have highlighted in red words and phrases that speak of the time element proving that the Wisdom, that is the Son, pre-existed before He was born of Mary in the form of a man. There is no other Wisdom of God being mentioned in the Bible, other than the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ; the Lord of Glory, the wisdom that God used in the creation of everything that exists.

    ( Colossians 2:2-3) “That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.”

    All treasures of wisdom and knowledge are in Christ. The Apostle Paul has known this so he wrote —

    ( Colossians 1:15-17) “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”

    How can something that does not exist be made an instrument in the creation of everything that exists? That is impossible!

    ( John 1:1-3) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

    The Son was there in the Creation of everything! Without Him was not anything made that was made!



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