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Dear "TERRI QUEEN" do not get jealous of yours, no one knows how long it will take before you get any relief in this. I speak from my own experiences.

Remember that in Him there is no injustice. A jealous spirit can destroy much much more. Please see Jesus on the cross in front of you. The blood that was the only sacrifice that could save the world. He did it for you and for me, yes for all of us. That belive in Him.

By His power and strength we get boldness and deny all satanic works.

Self-pity can go in the darkest room, and not return in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Be blessed and not loose your hope.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Hi Terri. We all face repercussions, to varying degrees, from time to time. Is your husband saved, or how does he take the backlash that others pour upon you? If he is on side, others will witness the resolve you both have to stand on God's Word. But if you're alone in this & undoubtedly feeling the pressure, rest assured that you have clearly stated your belief & that belief rests on God's Word. You don't need to nag them over & over again - the Word has come to them, you are blessed for issuing them the warning, now let God's Spirit 'nag' their hearts, that they might one day be convicted & be saved.

I don't believe that it's a curse to strongly warn someone of their behaviour or their accountability before God. If that's the case, we won't have a Gospel to preach. A curse would be the words one uses & manner of delivery that puts the other person under some type of curse that will come from God. People certainly don't want to hear, 'You'll burn in hell', even if they don't believe in God (I've always thought that to be very strange).

You have stood your ground & there is blessing & proof of your devotion to the Lord & deep concern for wayward sinful souls. Leave them alone, pray for them (Adam has given some good verses of encouragement), & continue to be a strong quiet witness of the Lord's Grace. My concern would be more for your husband & kids - they must truly be convinced of your Christian witness, both in the home & in sharing with unbelievers.

Hello, here are some scriptures to consider:

Romans 12:17-21, 1 Peter 3:9, 1 Peter 3:14.

God bless

Sorry < but I always capitalize Jesus, please convert my last post , rightly from all caps, thanks

On proverbs 20: 20 ...how far can we go trying to get our jesus centered satan fighting point across??? how do we not say what they are doing wrong, with righteous anger, when they do terrible things, like any other demon filled person ? ...and we are to warn about jesus's judgement, and for them to get saved? i struggle here, i turned the other cheek for 20 years while they bashed my faith and lifted up the pretty, and rich sibling who is lukewarm, and by the lukewarm siblings advice , let my very close other sibling born again die in hospice, young, because hospice is good at drugging people out before their time ........and my parents will not have a thing to do with me, no matter how i react to their evil, yet try to go after my kids and husband and influence them against me saying i am unloving for speaking biblical ( we know that is offensive truth amen ) ..so am i cursing them by letting them go, and then speaking my righteous anger truth about them to my kids and husband so they will not break up our family ( as they try to with my kids ) ? am i cursing them by texting them that they will burn in hell if they do not give their lives to jesus fully? am i cursing them to point out the very awful things they do and tell them to repent, as they say they are christians, ( no fruit and hate born agains ) ????

Hello Bob. I know that this verse can be very confusing, by its brevity & written style. There are a series of warnings given in this chapter, but to verse 16 in particular, the matter is all about where, or in whom, one should place his trust.

The examples given are to a stranger & strange woman (i.e. an harlot, though some versions render this as 'stranger', as well). So, to make it easier to read, we could liberally transliterate it as follows: If a person is lacking good sense to be a guarantor to one whom he doesn't know, then take what you can from him (i.e. his garment), because of the great likelihood of the surety being lost to the stranger & the garment might be all that can be returned to him.

Similarly, the other part of the verse could be rendered: if the man who owes you monies or chattels is so morally lacking to be given over to an harlot, then take a surety (or, whatever you can get) from him, for his lifestyle will lead him into folly & penury.

Apologies for the lengthy transliteration; I think this rendering might help you understand this verse a little better.

I'm completely befuddled on the meaning of verse 16 in chapter 20 of Proverbs. I'd appreciate any insight. Thanks.

Pray for me and my family this world in I ask Jesus name

The breath of life, from God into Adam ( Gen 2:7), became Adam's own spirit.

The Hebrew word "naphach", which is translated as "breathed", can mean breathed or to blow into, or to inflate. The Hebrew word "neshamah", which is translated as "breath", refers to vital breath of inspiration, and is also translated as "spirit" in other Old Testament verses such as in Proverbs 20:27, which states "The spirit ("neshamah") of a man is the candle of the Lord". From the meanings of these Hebrew words, the phrase "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life", from Genesis 2:7 can be restated as "blew into his nostrils the spirit of life". We know Adam's spirit - the breath from God, is what gave him life. Another words, Adam's spirit entering his body from God's breath (or "spirit"), started his heart to beat, and then, Adam's spirit flowed into his bloodstream, causing Adam to become a living soul ( Gen. 2:7). As you can tell from my explanation, God breathed Adam's spirit into him, and, as a result, Adam's soul was created. Some feel that this verse merely says that Adam came to life, but let's take a closer look. How do I know his spirit entered his bloodstream? That word "soul" is translated from the Hebrew word "Nephesh". There is another reference in the Bible, at Leviticus 17:11, which states: For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Another reference is at Deuteronomy 12:23, which also indicates that "the blood is the life". However, in both of these verses, it is also the word "Nephesh", which is, in fact, translated "life", instead of "soul", as it's translated in Genesis 2:7. In Deuteronomy 12:23, God is telling Moses not to allow the people to eat the blood of animals, because "the blood is the soul". Leviticus 17:11 declares that "the soul of the flesh is in the blood".

Brother Joseph. You've not erred in any way. You've come here to present something that has been weighing much on your heart & whoever reads your submission, must sense in a very real way, the pain & despondency you feel. The Christian life is not just about our spiritual strengths & weaknesses, but also the physical part of us that weigh us down affecting both the body & spirit. So by your sharing, I think many have been moved to pray for you & that you will sense the Lord's enabling to strengthen your resolve to abstain from unnecessary eating & to commit every part of your life (physical & spiritual) to the One Who delights to help us.

Those were lovely pertinent Scriptures you quoted from John 6:32 onwards & Luke 12:31. As we feast on Him our Living Bread, He will feed us with what we need & will satisfy us completely. Jeremiah 33:3: "Call unto me (says the Almighty), and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not." Many have not even begun to taste the extent of the Lord's Goodness, simply because they have not, in faith, called out to Him. He delights to hear his children call on Him & He delights to answer them & reveal His Mighty Arm of Power & Love. May the Lord be very close to you in your journey with Him & supply you with what you need to be His overcomer.

Thank you Chris but I realize I have erred in the faith not only because I asked a Carnal question but I realized I had to seek Christ Jesus because he is the true bread of life. Luke 12:31 But seek ye first the kingdom and all these things shall be added unto you.

And just to your other question about the Godhead: that's correct, when the term Godhead is used (as in Colossians 2:9: "For in him (i.e. in Jesus) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."), it is understood that the Trinity is spoken of, as the Godhead in His Fullness constitutes the Person of His Son & the Person of His Holy Spirit.

If any of the Persons were absent, then the Godhead (or, Trinity) would be incomplete & God wouldn't be God as revealed in the Scriptures & to our spirits. His Fullness & Unity are expressed as God the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit: "these Three are One" ( 1 John 5:7).

Whenever we give all our attention, time, energies & finances to something that may give us satisfaction but not necessarily useful to us, then it becomes a problem & maybe, even sin. Since gluttony isn't generally considered as a major weakness by society when compared to other personal issues, it's easily overlooked, & we're just told to try harder to eat less at least for the sake of our health, as other problems of BP, cholesterol, diabetes, joint pain, etc. will ensue.

But the core issue with gluttony, as with other over-indulgences we might give into, is that there may be other underlying issues causing that or at least there is a failing of putting life's events in the correct perspective & balance. The Apostle Paul shared this: "All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any ( 1 Corinthians 6:12) & "not all things edify" ( 1 Corinthians 10:23). He knew that there were many things he could lawfully do, but he had to reassess them whether by doing them, there would be any real benefit or even whether that act could bring him under its control. As a Christian, Paul was compelled to judge himself whether anything he did brought him under its power or did he still have personal control over it, thereby being the person God expected of him.

If food, any food, has control over your life - you find that the urge to eat even when there is not really an appetite to do so - when your health & appearance suffer because of it, then you know that your craving to eat is a problem - that your eating is not just to satisfy hunger but possibly a crutch to cover over some other issue. Your endeavour to lose weight is commendable, but the core issue of gluttony is harder to deal with & will require God's help & a strong mind & discipline. The pain in abstaining will be there, but the results of good health & being an over comer for the Lord's sake, will be your victory & joy.

How do I know when I am given to Gluttony?

I feel I struggle with it but I've been losing weight.

also the Godhead is the real doctrine of Jehovah, Christ Jesus, and the Holy Spirit right?

can you just believe in religion and be china no .so you can't just be isreal but Cleaning to Israel and they ways and be of christ

It is useful to me.

Thank you so much.

1 Thessalonians 5:23: "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

As the Apostle Paul believed & is indeed the case, we are a type of trinity, without any one aspect of our make-up, we cease to be the creation that God made. The 'body' part is easy: we see it & most people give very little thought to any other aspect of our being. Yet, God has given it to us so that the 'real' parts of us can be 'housed' & that both the visible & invisible parts of us are accountable to God, unlike some who believe that we can do whatever we like with & through our bodies.

Genesis 2:7: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Even though the word 'soul' can be used almost interchangeably with 'spirit', I think we should understand it as "the life of a person". And in that 'life' we also have our faculties, emotions, reasoning powers, etc.

However, I see that the 'spirit' given to man is quite different. Proverbs 20:27, "The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly (heart)." God gives both man & animals a spirit. In man, God can minister or speak to us. So one might be 'spiritually alive' which means, being receptive to God/to spiritual things, ( 1 Corinthians 2:9-11). Or one is 'spiritually dead', having no spiritual discernment or is so hindered by Satan, that he no longer is moved by God. Of what sort the spirit in animals is, I don't know, except for what Ecclesiastes 3:21 tells us.

But when we die, our spirits return to the Lord ( Ecclesiastes 12:7): we are not only accountable to God for our lives, but also we are indestructible, or the body can be destroyed but the spirit lives on, whether with God or with Satan.

good verse

Absolutely not. Your are right to call God Father, I am, and many different names. He is all. Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.

When we ask for something from God do we say God or in the name Jesus Christ why because he as been given all authority for now and forever amen.

Yes. I call God, God. He knows who I'm talking about. In one place He saying I AM. Should we call Him I AM. You can and you would not be wrong. I call Him God, am I wrong? I don't think so.

Hi Tobias,

The Old Testament was the first writing about God and that book was written in Hebrew, which was the language of the Israelites and Jewish. If I write what God's name in another language it then wouldn't be in English anymore. Also, Hebrew uses different Hebrew characters so its not even possible to write that here and if it was, could you even read it? You can use the parallel view on this site to compare Hebrew to English though. So, it's my opinion that people often get fixated on what the actual names are in 'original' languages, however, my point of view is that we don't speak the original language, but English and it's already translated and correct. God is called God. He is also called Lord. Exodus 15:3. The pronunciation of Lord in English aside from the already-correct 'Lord' with hybrid characters is something like Yahweh, or YHWH, and Jehovah. Isaiah 12:2. Elohim = God in Hebrew.

my comments of the day:

Where is the name GOD came from?

What language used the name GOD first?

Explains the meaning of G.O.D, purpose?

Thank you so much

can't wait to hear from you soon

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I gathered great wisdom from this chapter. It explains the responsibility of our leaders. It is clearly establishing that the Lord finds their role in our lives important. This is why, I pray, for my leaders Mayor Perkins, Governor Edwards, Senator Kennedy, President Trump and all those in between. Be blessed in Jesus' name, Amen.

The Bible tells us in Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

No where in the Bible state Jesus turned water into an alcoholic drink and the grapes were fermented. He simple stated he turned water into wine. His word, the Bible, talks against alcohol in several places when you read it in its entirety. He will not contradict himself. Jesus is the word ( John 1:1). Galatians chapter 5 also explains to us what is sin. Ask yourself, how would it effect your witness to the world. Would they take you serious seeing you drinking alcohol and trying to lead them to Jesus Praying earnestly and not self willed, God will reveal thetruth

There are Scripture references to this which are general warnings. The first one we cite is: Ephesians 5:18 "Be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit". Apostle Paul warns of high consumption of alcohol which leads to loss of self control & sin, but rather to be filled (drunk) with God's Spirit. A believer filled with the Holy Spirit is truly a joy to be near rather than one who is inebriated. Other references: Luke 21:34, Romans 13:13, 1 Corinthians 5:11, 6:10, Ephesians 5:18, Genesis 9:21, 19:30-36, Proverbs 20:1, 23:20,30,31, are some for you to look at. So, alcohol is not prohibited per se , but warnings are given which should alert us to its use/results.

Here are the scriptures on strong drink you asked for: (some abbreviations) Eph. 5:18, Proverbs 20:1 & 23:29-35 , Galatians 5:21, 1Corinthians 6:10, 1 Thess. 5:7, Romans 12:12, 14:21, Isaiah 5:11, Psalm 104:15,
1 Peter 2:11-12
I know it's ok to eat meat but when it becomes gluttony, it's not a good witness. Write these in pencil back of your Bible

wine is a mockery and strong drink is raging and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. ( Proverbs 20:1) Look not upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. ( Proverbs 23:31-33) who can take a rattle snake in their home and feel safe? In the end we are putting ourselves in danger. We only have to look at the drug, alcohol and wine world today to understand the danger of strong drink. They did call Jesus a winebibber, but they also said he cast out devils by the prince of devils who is Beelzebub. Jesus said that Satan was a liar. ( John 8:44) Jesus was neither, Satan lied.

4 The sluggard will not plow by reason of the cold therefore shall he beg in harvest, and have nothing......this lazy person failed to timely prepare for themselves because of the discomfort of working. 40 years of their life is sowed to the wind plus leaching parents, social programs, then one day they cry nobody will help me. At the least they could have planted, picked, dried black eye peas.

St. John 2:9-11 "When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, 10And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now."