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The gospel is for all, but God doesn't give rewards to those who hate and reject Him as you assume. Jesus even predicted this exact scenario of someone assuming they were entitled to deserve heaven. On this contrary this is what Jesus said about that: Matthew 7:21. I believe Jesus's truth over man's falsehoods. The self-entitled who act deserving and like to shortcut and distort God's word may God have mercy on their soul: Revelation 22:19. "...God shall take away his part out of the book of life." This is very serious stuff. God is a fair judge.

Giannis, let's look at Christ's words and come to a deeper meaning of:

Matthew 7:21-23

You and I and all mankind were born as sinful flesh, not knowing the truth of God.

Christ came, in the flesh, as sinful flesh.

It, SINFUL FLESH, DIED with Christ on HIS CROSS. You and I and all mankind DIED on the cross with Christ.

Three days latter Christ arose with a NEW BODY, we also shared in Christ resurrection, we now are that LIFE.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy IS HE that hath HIS PART in the first resurrection,...

It is no longer, YOU and I as sinful flesh, but that ONE LIFE of Christ in now, US ALSO.

We are just the body, Christ is THE LIFE, therefore everything we do and say and think is actually THE LIFE of Christ causing it. We are being created in the image of Christ.

Christ is also a body, and the LIFE of the Father is HIS (Christ's) LIFE, HIS (Christ's) WORDS, HIS (Christ's works) WORKS.

Christ said, it's not my words but my Father's words, it's not my works but my Father's works, Of MYSELF I CAN DO NOTHING.

Christ said, I am the vine, you are the branches, without me (MY LIFE) you can do nothing.

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ..... (the LIFE) CHRIST IN YOU .....

Philippians 2:13 For it is God that worketh IN YOU (you died on the cross and became a new creation, you and Christ as ONE) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcomrth and keepeth MY WORKS .....

And they will say in that day, Lord did not WE, and he will say depart for it was not you but ME.

Most believe that have life of themselves, but the word says life is only in the SRIRIT.

We are just the body that does the labour of CHRIST, THE LIFE.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God (LIFE and TRUTH) doth not commit sin; for HIS SEED remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Christ's LIFE became your LIFE, and Christ cannot sin.

GBU

When i was reading Matthew 7:21-23 i was always wondering how is it possible that some christians do so beautiful works, cast out devils, prophesying and still Jesus told them that He doesn't know them. Also told them that they work iniquity. How was it possible to work iniquity and still work using God's spiritual gifts. I couldn't understand it.

Well, after some time i understood. Yes, it's possible to work for God but in your own way and not obeying God's rules. You work according to what you think and like and not what God thinks and likes. That is disobedience and it's a sin, and if you keep doing it and don't repent then you will sometime hear Jesus telling you that He doesn't know you.

Sad but true.

Hi Roman,

It sounds like someone thinks you believe 100% of everyone will go to heaven- is that actually what you believe? If so, how did you come to this conclusion and what was your greatest influence in arriving at that conclusion?

In my years of Bible study and I've never come across a verse appearing to supporting that, but have found many supporting the opposite. I try to pray for wisdom and understanding when I read- do you practice that do you feel that God has confirmed anything in your heart about the info you are posting publically here?

I'm not 100% sure that is what you believe, but if it is, I would look closely at scripture for the truth. Scripture doesn't require any creative interpretion, but just to read literally.

Matthew 7:13-14 - says "But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

Do you believe this verse that "few find it"? To me, "few" doesn't mean "all." What does "few" mean to you?

Matthew 10:28 - this says to "fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

do you agree that we should fear God, or fear that He could destroy our soul and body in hell?

1 John 1:9. This says "If..." which is a conditional statement meaning that if we do something, this will be the result. Do you believe this verse is truth? If not, what part of it do you not believe?

John 15:10 is another conditional statement "If ye keep my commandments..." - do you agree?

Do you think this means, if you don't keep the commandments, that's fine too and won't change the outcome? Do you think it's possible the Bible would say something like that and not mean it?

Thank you for helping explain your religious beliefs.

In order to keep the belief we must look at ourselves, we cannot judge as the world will.

Then we can develop a true love with the author of love...TLG ..The Living God

Hi dear "Ben Piccolino", Matthew 7:1-6 a long long time ago actually in the beginning of being born again i experienced these words in a very strange way. The experience may help you. Testimony: i was to open a meeting with words and prayer. It was 11 o'clock in the morning. Best as i should find a word these from Matthew came to me.

In my mind i could not deliver these, thought then of the man who was to speak that it would turn out wrong. (At this stage i did not know the Lord very well: p).

I rather found a hymn to open the meeting.

As soon as I got up to open the meeting, I got a shred in my one eye! Now i did not think much about it, but the plague in the eye did not go away. It was evening and now the eye was really tender and red. The evening came and the house calmed down but my eye bothered me. Now I began to seek God in Jesus' Name. At 3 o'clock in the morning i promised the Lord and wrote a letter to this man. I did it right away. There i very humbled explained my violation and apologized for not acting on the word as i should. He also received the word from Matthew handed down. The letter had to have a stamp on the envelope so i had to wait until the morning to post the letter. And As soon as i put the letter in the mailbox it shook my eye well! It was a real lesson. After that, I've never been wiser than the Lord! So it was not my business to condemn this person for not being able to receive this word from Matthew. In retrospect, i have thought that meeting was not a success, it was a closed and dark meeting. The meeting gave us nothing, and everyone was happy the meeting was finally over. And everything was my fault! Such is my friend that the Lord does not think like me and you. He always has thoughts of peace. Had i read the words, the person who was to speak would have been freed from something it was bound by. And we will had a meeting with freedom and joy. Hallelujah shouts and thanksgiving. After that, I know that the Holy Spirit gives me words

what kind of judgement is he talking about, and why does he speak against it.

"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you." Matthew 7:7

"You do not have, because you do not ask." James 4:2

"For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Romans 10:13

"Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

"And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12

Hi Free.

Thanks for your reply.

I believe we are given the Holyspirit is given to every believer.

What ever we do for the Lord it is he that does it through us.

Philippians 2:13.

But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

1 Corinthians 12:11.

This goes for spiritual fruit as well as spiritual gifts.

When we are born again we are a empty vessel and have nothing to offer. All our fleshly talents is insignificant.

It seems in the scripture we are confirmed by our fruit, "Not our gifts." Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

WHEREFORE BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM. Matthew 7:15-20.

Also:

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: FOR WITHOUT ME YE CAN DO NOTHING.

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. John 15:4-8.

All this is inward. Filling an empty vessel.

God bless.

Hi Jim, just noticed your comment about denying Jesus's divinity. People try to do that from time to time, but in order to do so requires cherry picking one verse, twisting it, then ignoring the mountain of other verses in the Bible. In this case you're conflating God's son with the phrase 'sons of God' which was used in a general sense. The same unsound logic can be applied to twist anything else into what you want it to mean. It's pretty hard to deny verses like John 1:1 that clearly say Jesus is God though. It takes mental gymnastics to escape the truth of such verses. Jesus in Isaiah 7:14 is called Immanuel which literally means "God with us" but its up to each person whether they want to accept Jesus or deny Him. 1 John 2:22-24

Do you consider yourself a Christian? To be a Christian means you follow Jesus Christ and if you don't believe Jesus is Lord then that is similar to what nonbelievers think. Some even admit who Jesus is, but still stubbornly won't accept Him. It's a spiritual battle. Matthew 7:21

John 14:6 - No one comes to the Father (also God) but through Jesus.

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

2 Corinthians 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 20:28

Pretty hard to disregard all these Biblical truths about Jesus. He became flesh and died for you. Have you tried praying and asking who Jesus is and to reveal that to you?

Hi Bill.

It means apostasia a "defection from the truth." ( Apostasy).

There is many opostates in our midst today. I wouldn't call them members of the Church, they're not called out. These can be called tares as seen in Mathew 13:24-30. You see Jude mention of certain men crept in our midst in

Jude 1:3-4.

It was going on in Pauls day. Acts 20:29-31.

Jesus warned his disciples of this in Matthew 7:15.

So Apostasy isn't something new to the Church.

But 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3. has a future climax.

vs.2) That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

vs.3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Jesus asks in Luke "Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find the faith on the earth?" The answer is No.

We have 2 departures going on here,

1) The organization has departed from the faith.

2) The true Church has departed from the Earth.

There can be no total Apostasy until the Church is removed.

This notes what must happen before the great tribulation.

God bless.

But that trust takes action Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7:20-27, James 2, Revelation 2:19-29, Hebrews 10:23-31, John 13:34, 1John 4:20, Matthew 5:43-48,

Yes, it all has to start with trust in Jesus CHRIST & His name for Salvation! If someone truly trusts in Jesus they will love others

Hello ELB or GBU,

I'd like to comment on your comment:

"the grave awaits those that commit suicide, they will be brought back to their flesh at the second resurrection, judged, brought to truth, and given their place in the Kingdom of God."

The two assumptions I see in this sentence is that dead people (or cremated) will go back to the flesh, and second, that all people will go to the "Kingdom of God." I assume by that term you mean eternal life in heaven.

So, when I read 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 to me that says we will not go back into the same flesh as before, but one that is now "imperishable" as it says, and one that is a spiritual body.

As for assuming someone who commits suicide will go to heaven, I'm not sure if that's what you mean or not. If so, I'm not sure where that belief comes from because the Bible clearly says most people will go to hell, not to heaven. Matthew 7:13. Salvation is conditional upon people taking action to follow Jesus. The Bible says "if" many times like in Romans 10:9, 1 John 1:9, John 15:10, John 14:15. God bless.

I believe the differences comes from these scriptures : Matthew 5:16, Matthew 7:21-29, Revelation 2:23, Revelation 20:13, Matthew 25:31-46,

Even Jesus did works: Matthew 11:2, Luke 19:37, & said greater works we shall do. John 14:20,

Matthew 16:27,

Matthew 23:3,5,23, hypocrisy not ok, you can read whole chapter & those chapters around it for context. John 8:39,

Romans 3:27-28, helps clarify, 'law of faith' Romans 4, Romans 9:30-33,

What is argued is: Romans 11:6, but in context it's the grace extended to Gentiles Romans 11:16-27, also read whole chapter Romans 11,

& Galatians 2:16, "knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.'' the works of the law are in Gen. Exodus, Deuteronomy, Leviticus. Galatians 3,

& Galatians 2:8,9, but we can't ignore Galatians 2:10,

& 2Timothy 1:9 , Titus 3, Hebrews 4, Hebrews 4:11,

However again we can't ignore 2Timothy 3:16-17, Titus 1:15,16, Titus 2, Hebrews 10:24, James 3:13, 1Peter 2:12, Revelation 2:26,

* James 2,

Dear EDWARD, draw close to the Lord God in daily devotions, praying, not only reading but studying the Bible, singing hymns, meditating. Here's some helpful verses.

Isaiah 26:3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

Proverbs 3:5-6 - Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Psalms 32:8 - I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.

John 16:13 - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Isaiah 30:21 - And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.

Matthew 7:7-11 - Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you...

Search "verses about guidance" for more help.

May God bless you with peace.

Hello Joe. Both the Proverbs & the NT speak of disassociating ourselves from sinners (e.g. Proverbs 22:24; Ephesians 5:11), and the emphasis in the NT is that we are to love all men even as God does, sending His Son for us all. But Jesus adds a command in Matthew 7:6, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

The understanding of this verse, is that Jesus is speaking about the most precious things of the Kingdom, things that are not only beyond fallen man's understanding, but also things that will be perceived as garbage. So Jesus speaks of "that which is holy", referring back to sacrificial times of sacred offering before God, or of the sacred implements used in the service of the Temple which couldn't be handled by non-Levites. Likewise, "neither cast ye your pearls before swine"; the very costliest of jewels of Divine Truth were to be treated carefully & given out judiciously.

Dogs are known for their ferocity when angered, while pigs, for their contentment in wallowing in filth. The imagery is given here of wicked people, who ought to be conscious of their sin & seeking healing for their souls (even as John the Baptist was baptizing only those who so indicated), but these others here continued in their wickedness & filth, having no desire of healing Truth, rather expressing fierceness to it, or being content in living out their evil desires. To these people, Jesus says 'avoid them', for they show by their response & behaviour, that Kingdom life is not what they're seeking - their soul's destiny is not their concern - the response you'll get is ridicule & violent acts against you. So, save those holy words/offerings from these, but give the Good News of the Kingdom to those who are keen to give ear & who consider their own needs & of everlasting life.

Christians can make good policemen because they understand that justice must sometimes be upheld with deadly force but they do not take pleasure in using deadly force. I speak generally because I know not all Christians understand this.

Hello, have you tried praying? You might set a goal and outline all of what you've tried and what all you haven't tried yet in order to avoid this temptation.

Consider this verse:

Matthew 5:27-30

Pretty powerful- to me that means to absolutely everything imagineable to avoid sin even if it means cutting off a body part. In verse 30 it says that the stakes are high. I tend to believe the Bible in verse 30 over what some people claim that they're saved and can do whatever sin they want with no consequence. I trust God's word over man's ideas.

So, this means do absolutely anything and everything possible to avoid it. I would think that would mean ending toxic friendships, moving, changing jobs, and put your max effort into avoiding such sin and temptation. I think this point can't be emphasized enough and the warning that Jesus gave us is: Matthew 7:21. We actually have freewill to choose whether to sin or not and God always provides a way out: 1 Corinthians 10:13, so there is no valid excuse. God bless.

Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 refer to religious individuals who professed Christianity for a while but then fell away for one reason or another. These types of superficial but lost Christians are spoken of by the Lord in Matthew 7:

Matthew 7:23

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus did not say He once knew them before they fell away, but He never knew them.

(Not Duplicate)

As proof that Matthew 7:12:

12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

is a restatement and probable expansion of our obligations under the second great commandment, Matthew 22:36-40 says:

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The end of verse Mt 7:12 and Mt 22:40 are basically identical.

Jesus never made any statement like that when he referred to Leviticus 24:20, which in its full context in Leviticus 24:17-22 reads:

17 And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death. 18 And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast. 19 And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; 20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again. 21 And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death. 22 Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.

This law was never given under the Law as the basis for vigilante vengence where individuals take matters into their own hands, but always fell on the entire covenant community under the Law to bring before judges that called for witness testimony before any sentences were passed or carried out. Also, any sentence that were be carried out as a result of this law against any stranger must equally be carried out on any member of the covenant community for the same offense to uphold the name of the LORD our God. So, take great care and don't apply it lightly.

Then u have not submitted fully to God's Will for u . When we say : Thy Will be done , we have to mean it . Jesus was sinless . The Jewish leaders had no cause to kill him but they bent and twisted their law in order to kill him . Jesus didn't have to let them do that . He had power on earth to do anything that he wanted to do . He chose to submit to his Father's Will .That's what we as Christians r also supposed to do . It's not always easy for sure . But it's what we r called to .

Yaaaaaay ! Carleton ! We missed you ! It's fab to read a post from you ! You made me smile a huge smile today ! I've been reading you on and off for a couple of years now , so glad that you are ok . Much love in Christ .

Matthew 7:12 is just like its an eye for a eye and a tooth for a tooth. First Jesus Christ himself wants our weapons then teaches us how exactly to be righteous person then returns our weapons. To much forgiveness leads us directly into wrongful persecution and makes us easy to attack. We must have a certain amount of justice and be humble enough but not allow the enemy to much injustice because they take advantage over us and they will not physically learn nothing but they can have their ways easy and we will all suffer wrongful persecution which I will never allow myself willing into slavery or anything wrongful persecution I will suffer persecution for love and righteousness but never allow myself willing into wrongful persecution for no God ever.

I didn't read the scripture you posted because I personally didn't feel GOD leading me towards those.

GOD promises us wisdom if we ask: James 1:5-8, Matthew 7:7,

Test also 1John 4, Matthew 4, Mark 1:13 -, Luke 4,

Hello Sara. Are you enquiring about the date of writing of the Gospel of Matthew? No correct date or year can be given as no such records have been kept. However, somewhere in the 60s AD is generally the years given for the writing of that Gospel by Matthew; some even give it an earlier date. And the Gospels would have been available to the Church & Church Fellowships farther away, some time later, but within the 1st & 2nd centuries. Luke 1:1-4; Acts 1:1,2.

I am wondering when the original work for Matthew 7:1 was published?

Thank you,

Sara

According to Strongs Exhaustive Concordance of the KJV Bible there are three variant Greek words translated devils.

The root word in his Greek dictionary of the New Testament is:

1142.

Transliteration daimn (Key)

Pronunciation dah'-ee-mown

Part of Speech masculine/feminine noun

Root Word (Etymology) From daio (to distribute fortunes)

a daemon or super-natural spirit (of a bad nature); - devil.

Matthew 8:31; Mark 5:12; Revelation 16:14; Revelation 18:2.

1139.

Transliteration daimonizomai (Key)

Pronunciation dahee-mon-id'-zom-ahee

Part of Speech verb

Root Word (Etymology) Middle voice from (G1142)

to be exercised by a daemon;-have a (be vexed with, be possessed with) devil (-s).

Matthew 4:24; Matthew 8:16; Matthew 8:28; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:36

1140.

Transliteration daimonion (Key)

Pronunciation dahee-mon'-ee-on

Part of Speech neuter noun

Root Word (Etymology) Neuter of a derivative of (G1142)

a demonic being; by extension a diety:-devil, god.

Matthew 7:22; Matthew 9:34; Matthew 10:8; Matthew 12:24,27,28; Mark 1:34,39; Mark 3:15,22; Mark 6:13; Mark 9:38; Mark 16:9,17; Luke 4:41; Luke 8:2,27,30,33,35,38; Luke 9:1,49; Luke 10:17; Luke 12:15,18,19,20; Luke 13:32; 1 Corinthians 10:20-21; 1 Timothy 4:1; James 2:19; Revelation 9:20.

demon - The Modern English word demon derives from the Middle English demon: from medieval Latin demon, from Latin daemon, from Greek daimn 'deity, genius'; in demon; also from Latin daemonium 'lesser or evil spirit', from Greek daemonion, diminutive of daimn.

devils - The Modern English word devil derives from the Middle English devel, from the Old English dofol, that in turn represents an early Germanic borrowing of the Latin diabolus.

The KJV translation is not a word for word or uniquely and infallible inspired representation of the Greek New Testament, and we should be cautious in choosing which English words in it we want to make our hills to die on without first consulting the Greek.

Amen Bob.

That is in the context of what that verse is saying, It's not a verse that we use to examine a fault or to bring condemnation, It's used to verify.

Here's it in its context;

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Matthew 7:15-16.

This is not an outward showing of the flesh, This is caused by the husbandman "God!" This is spirit indwelling!! Not the works of the flesh where man have an outward appearance but dead on the inside.

Matthew 23:27.

You can't work this up.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7:18.

Here's another reference to your comment. Matthew 23:25-26.

I believe this is what Henry was getting at also.

This is wonderful scripture and important to keep it in its context.

This is the ministry of the Holyspirit.

This is not examining a fault in another such as a mote in ones eye or pulling a beam out of our eyes.

those verses is speaking of judging/condemning.

Fruit is something you don't produce, it's something you bare. You're the branch connected to the vine!

Now we can examine ourselves and according to John, We can know whether we're in the faith or not.

1 John 4:13-21.

God bless.

Hi Mike.

According to scripture, there seems to be a downfall to every country for one reason or another.

God bless.

A house divided against itself cannot stand. The egregious racial divide is the down fall of this country. God is no respect of person..