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  • Richard H Priday - 3 years ago
    Standing out from the crowd: Fellowship of the Saints (continued)

    Sadly; in Protestant circles today the proper concept of "confessing sins to one another" ( James 5:16) has been buried with the misapplication of the Catholic system and the hierarchy of church officials taking that approach toward parishioners; rather than the other way around. Before we cast stones in that direction; we need to see how well we are doing in light of Matthew 5:23.

    When there is strife and envy and a brother is hardened like a city wall ( Prov. 17:14) and we are the cause it is our duty to rectify things. This is particularly true as well for a husband and wife so that their prayers won't be hindered ( 1 Peter 3:7).

    It is said with the popular adage in the secular world that we are all part of creating a village (or something to that affect). The concept of the saints of Christ being a part of a victorious army should be made clearer when we see how when one member hurts all members suffer ( 1 Cor. 12). When we look at these actions as being duties rather than options; and Christ BEING our life rather than the "center" of it (which still places ourselves as the one who determines the meaning of that definition and all the other parameters as well) it helps to give us a better picture of the way things should be.

    Responsibilities as laypersons.

    There are correct methodologies presented by Christ Himself as well as the Apostle Paul for disciplinary action. Nonetheless; we are to judge righteously. Those who suggest we shouldn't judge lest we be judged in the same manner who are truly in the faith need to be honest. If WE are the ones expounding error we should WANT others to hold us accountable; and that also applies for our responsibility as church members in particular to point out error among leadership with themethods prescribed in scripture. How can we not be jealous for the Word of God when "damnable heresies" are sneaking in (see Jude and many admonitions by Paul)
  • Luke - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Giannis

    I apologize, I should have dissected Matthew 5:32 more closely.

    You see their are exceptions to divorcing without causing one to sin on one another, and it is fornication.

    The verse should be interpreted as Jesus saying (except) for fornication, if one takes the word (saving) back to it's original language it means (except) for fornicating

    Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving/except for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

    So you see there is an exception to divorce, God put away Israel for fornicating/adultery, and He forgave her so she can be.

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  • Luke - In Reply - 3 years ago
    God divorced Israel when they broke the covenant: Jeremiah 3:8 Though she saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding

    Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

    Matthew 5:31 It was said, 'Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

    32 But I say unto you, That every one that shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to

    commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

    If one truly repents, I believe ALL sins are forgiven, but I guess churches don't see it that way, they have their rules, can't change that. sry!

    Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and turn ye again to Me, that your sins may be (blotted out), in order that ... times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

    Then Peter said unto them, "Repent [change your mind for the better and morally], and be baptized every one of

    you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and ye shall receive the free gift of THE Holy Spirit.

    1 Timothy 3:12 Must be another rule of The Church, because Titus doesn't state Children must be in the Faith.

    The verse states "well managed children", and not "Children of Faith". Where do you get Children must be in the Faith out of ruling their children, and their own houses? In verse 12

    Managing their children is the same as ruling, It means (Well Respected) honorable,commendably,kind enough,honestly,usually morally.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello Luke

    I guess you mean something else when you say that God is a divorcee.

    Before going to our topic of discussion let's see if divorce is allowed according to the Gospel, and if yes in which cases.

    Matthew 5:31-32.

    Here it says that the only reason divorce is allowed is due adultery, not for any other reason. If the pair separates for any other reason and gets married again to smb else then in God's eyes this is adultery. God does not accept the separation, for Him the pair are still married together nomatter what churches do.

    Next question. I was divorced because my wife went with another guy, can I marry now to another woman?

    Answer. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11. Verse 11 says that if a woman is divorced (permitted only due to adultery) then she must stay unmarried or go back to her husband. Same with men. No remarriage is allowed by the Lord even if the separation was legal by the Gospel.

    There is only one case that remarriage can be accepted. Romans 7:1-3. Here it says only in the case that one of the pair dies the other person if free to marry again.

    So lets go back to what we were discussing.

    1. About children

    The verses in Titus are clear. A believer can only be elder if his children are in faith. Do you believe that this can change after he has become an elder for sometime and now can remain an elder even if his children are gone away? So different things are required when one is to become an elder and when he has already became one? It doesn't seem right to me.

    Deacons. Elders are selected from the body of deacons, that is why the requirements for both elders and deacons are precisely the same. 1 Timothy 3:1-13

    Pastors. They are selected from the body of elders. Same requirements.

    2. Wifes. The text says " husband of one wife". So it must be "one" and "a wife".

    Definitely he must have (not had) a wife, not divorced, not a widower.

    One wife means that he cannot keep his ministry if his wife has died or gone away from the house (or has left the faith).

    GBU
  • T. Levis - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 11 - 3 years ago
    Luke 6:22,26, Mark 13:11, Matthew 5:11, Ephesians 6:10-18, Matthew 10:34, 1Peter 4, 2Timothy 3:12, 1Peter 3:8-22,

    2Timothy 2:3,
  • REV. F. T. SMITH JR. on Matthew 5 - 3 years ago
    ST. MATTHEW 5:7, was the first verse that I learned from the Bible. I was a Pastor's and Pastor's wife, son and Most people learned ST. JOHN 3:16 first, I didn't.
  • Cindy - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Dear Annette, Jesus feels your pain as He too suffered a loss when Lazurus died, even knowing that He was going to raise His friend from the dead.

    Be comforted. Matthew 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

    Your big sister will rise from the grave when Jesus comes for His church during the rapture. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first...
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Please note these scriptures all seem to include treatment of people : James 2, note James 2:1-6, James 2:8, * James 2:14,15,16,17,

    Matthew 25:31-46, Isaiah 58, John 13:34, Romans 12:10, Romans 13:8, 1Peter 3:8, Hebrews 10:24,

    Romans 4, notice in those 'works' it's speaking of circumcision Romans 4:1, Romans 4:9-13, not acts of compassion

    They don't contradict each other they're completely separate issues, Deuteronomy 10:16-20,

    Malachi 3:5,10 = Deuteronomy 26:10-13 , Exodus 22:22, Deuteronomy 14:22-29, Deuteronomy 24:14-15, Deuteronomy 24:19-21,

    Matthew 5:16-20, Matthew 7:12-27 = Mark 12:38-40, Mark 23, Luke 20:46,47, Isaiah 9:17,

    Hopefully helpful
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Matthew 5 - 3 years ago
    Hi BSP.

    You have a lot to offer and we thank you for that, but have you thought about fitting much of that on one post or one thread so some of the other post can stay on the 1st page a little longer? It makes browsing a lot easier.

    Not a demand. Thanks and God bless.
  • BSP on Matthew 5 - 3 years ago
    Verse 45-God is so good and generous towards all people. He provides rain and sunshine even for those who do not acknowledge Him or those who act wickedly.
  • Luke - 3 years ago
    Matthew 5:13 Ye represent the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost its savour, wherewith shall it be salted [by men]? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot by men.

    Job 6:6 Can that which is unsavoury be eaten without salt? or is there any taste in the white of an egg?
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Colossians 2 - 3 years ago
    Son, Daughter of GOD: John 1:12, 1John 3:1,2, Matthew 5:9, context Matthew 5, Matthew 13:38, John 12:36, Luke 12:32, context Luke 12,

    Romans 8:14, in context please read all of Chapter Romans 8, explanation of the answer of your question in detail.

    Hopefully these are all helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Jesus' prayer: John 17, note; John 17:15,17,18,20,23,

    Matthew 5:14,16, in context Matthew 5,

    2Corinthians 1:3-5, 1Thessalonians 5:11,14, in context 1Thessalonians 5,

    Hopefully these help with your question of why
  • Chris - In Reply on Matthew 5 - 3 years ago
    Hi Emmanuel. During Jesus' days on Earth, there were three Herods: Herod the Great, Herod Archelaus, & Herod Antipas.

    Herod the Great (73 B.C. to 4 B.C.) was not a Jew - his father an Idumean and his mother Arabian. The Roman government had made him king of Judea in 40 B.C. Although Herod was a great builder (including his extension of the temple) and had been occasionally generous to the Jewish people, he eventually lost favour with them. His mixed lineage with his Edomite blood would have made him unacceptable to the people & he would have been looked upon as they did with the Romans.

    Archelaus was his eldest son who ruled over Judea, Samaria & Idumea, but his other son, Antipas, ruled over Galilee.
  • Emmanuelateniola on Matthew 5 - 3 years ago
    Who is king Herod
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Matthew 5:19, Romans 14:13, Mark 9:42,
  • T. L - In Reply - 3 years ago
    It's not judged by years: Luke 23:34-43, Matthew 13, 1Peter 2:2, Hebrews 5:12,13,14,

    Exodus 4:12, Deuteronomy 4, Deuteronomy 5:31, Deuteronomy 6:7, Matthew 5:19, 1Timothy 4:11,

    2Timothy 2:15, Jeremiah 1:7,

    Why do you ask? I hope these help answer the root question
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Sheyibrown.

    Scripture agrees with what Luke has spoken.

    For one the law wasn't given to Gentiles it was given to Israel. I wasn't given to JUSTIFY anyone for salvation.

    Galatians 5:4. "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE."

    Here's a few scriptures to study:

    Please don't just read these Scriptures, Study them!! These are very important Scriptures that is ignored by some. Understanding these scriptures can help keep one from being deceived atleast in this area anyway.

    Galatians 3:1-29.

    Galatians Ch 4 and 5.

    2 Corinthians 3:6-14.

    Also study.

    Hebrews 8:1-13 and

    Hebrews 9:1-28.

    It's interesting what you will find in Hebrews when ministering the first covenant. It WASN'T about just being obedient to the 10 commandments, There were services that had to be performed to extreme precision.

    There was the high priest that ministered THOSE services under THAT covenant in a WORLDLY sanctuary. The services had to be rendered perfectly but they couldn't make you perfect. They had no effect on the heart of man. Men heart is incurably wicked. The new covenant where Christ is the High priest He came to give you a new Heart and the REST that the old covenant couldn't give. Because no one could keep or be justified by the old covenant.

    Why is it that those who desire to add their means of justifying themselves they choose what they think is the easiest to do and not realize in their lusty heart they break the commandments.

    James 2:10.

    Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

    But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:27-28.

    Study those chapters.

    God bless.
  • Adam - In Reply - 4 years ago
    A few possible verses:

    Isaiah 9:6

    Luke 24:27

    Matthew 5:17-18

    2 Corinthians 1:20

    Romans 10:4
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 years ago
    James,

    Perhaps Matthew 5:17-20?
  • Richard H Priday on 1 Corinthians 3 - 4 years ago
    When we look at the concept of "planting and watering" it appears that the verse on sowing and reaping comes to mind in John 4:38 where they were "reaping what they had not worked for". This shows not only Christ sowing the seed but those who were co laborers (in this case the woman who had been living in adultery and the townspeople that discussed matters and made their own decision that Christ was indeed the promised Messiah.

    What is noteworthy here are two concepts that can be illustrated starting in verse 10. Those who do the watering AND the sowing are not to be lifted up in any prideful manner. Christ was to be exalted; not Paul or Apollos as being the "better" teacher. Also; those doing the watering share in the reward which is often neglected with evangelistic campaigns today that don't continue afterwards with proper discipleship particularly with indigenous pastors on the ground today; or with crusades in the USA recently.

    The famous passage about the Bema Seat in verse 15 appears tied in with the watering aspect; and seems to give further indication in the verses following that sin indeed causes burning up and loss. Many seem to say it means simply neutral actions that have no value such as activities done in church that aren't meaningful. It seems perfectly clear here that it indicates sin; and that which can damage others. I would refer to Matthew 5:19 as a cross reference here. It is clear from verse 16 also that events such as 1 Cor. 11:27 and 1 Cor. 5:5 serve as examples as well in the same book. Finally see Rev. 3:11. Losing a reward is a serious matter.
  • Our Father in Heaven and some Blood of Jesus scriptures - In Reply - 4 years ago
    Jesus always spoke of his Father in Heaven.

    Matthew 16:17

    And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in HEAVEN.

    [not in Rome]

    Matthew 23:9

    And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in HEAVEN.

    Mark 13:32

    But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

    Matthew 5:16

    Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father

    WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.

    Some Blood of Jesus scripture references:

    Hebrews 10:19 and 13:12; Ephesians 2:13

    1 John 1:7 and 1 John 5:6

    Matthew 16:17

    I do not want to offend. The Pope, nor any priest of the Catholic Church should be called Father.

    God is a consuming fire.

    As long as we keep those facts straight, we are ok. The council of Nicea, adopted the King James Bible for all faiths to use.

    The way things are going, in the World, now: is a good time to be following Jesus.

    Recently, the Pope went to Israel and counseled them to give the West Bank to the Palestinians.

    In the Book of Genesis, God made a Covenant through Abraham concerning the Lands of Israel; which includes Jerusalem. The Final wars of mankind will be over Who Owns Israel.

    If you don't have a Bible, there is a full Bible on this Website, plus Commentarie.
  • Adam - In Reply - 4 years ago
    Hi Barb, I don't think it must be one or the other.

    The Bible is full of metaphors to explain things like our relationship to God. I see T. Levis shared scriptures for "sons", so I'll share different ones:

    Be like children:

    Matthew 18:3

    Romans 8:17

    Galatians 4:6

    Be people and sheep:

    Psalms 100:3

    John 10:11

    Jeremiah 50:6

    We're clay:

    Isaiah 64:8

    We're branches:

    John 15:5

    We're salt:

    Matthew 5:13

    I'm sure there's more.
  • Adam - In Reply - 4 years ago
    Dear Sandra,

    I have a different opinion than the others who responded here.

    Jesus's first miracle was turning water to wine and that was an alcoholic drink. We know this because of John 2:10 mentioning possibility to get drunk from it.

    With that being said this poses a great danger to us and can be abused like many other things, like food (gluttony), additions (strongholds, idolatry, putting false gods before God), prescription drugs, sexuality, etc. Those who have self-control challenges and tend to become easily addicted should avoid this at all costs. Remember Matthew 5:30, this should be balanced with 1 Timothy 4:4.

    Maybe its like enjoying a fire but if you get lured in too close you can be badly burned.
  • Vince Willard - 4 years ago
    Matthew 5:1-17 (KJV) And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:

    And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

    Blessed are the poor in spirit: for their's is the kingdom of heaven.

    Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

    Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

    Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

    Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

    Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for their's is the kingdom of heaven.

    Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

    Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

    Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

    Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

    Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

    Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

    Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill
  • Richard H Priday - 4 years ago
    The Holiness of God.

    Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty ( Rev. 4:8). This aspect of the Lord which should characterize our daily praise was a topic a friend of mine from out of town who I'm visiting next week brought up. He; as I am is highly supportive of the "grace gospel" (i.e. God's sovereign plan of election giving no credit toward man for any of his own righteousness in being saved). It is true; however that many of our houses of worship are more caught up in an academic exercise when it comes to the "institutes of Calvin" than spending a time worshipping a Holy God who condescended to save any worms like me. ( Job 25:6). He; who is the creator of all things is above all; so that even the stars are impure in His sight ( Job 25:5).

    There are truly heavenly joys that we cannot comprehend now. ( Psalm 16:11). Everyone; from Daniel and Isaiah and Ezekiel in the O.T. and John in Revelation fall in awe and wonder at His presence. It is a true statement that God is love ( 1 John 4:8); but we need to view this in light of 1 Cor. 13:4-8. We must; therefore also see His grace along with His judgments in light of His righteousness; and eternal omnipotence as the King of Kings; Lord of Lords. God does not change; and if we remain in Him we shall never be moved (see Proverbs 10:30). Heaven and earth will perish before one "jot and tittle" of the law perish ( Matthew 5:18). Since this is New Testament; surely this refers to the true meaning of the law and the motives of our hearts.

    May we; although flawed be characterized by a unique reverence for God so we can be known as just men ( Matthew 1:19). To be salt and light; we must be distinct from the world and through the fear of the Lord comes the beginning of understanding ( Prov. 1:7; 9:10; etal). If we put to death the deeds of the flesh through the Spirit ( Colossians 3:5; Romans 8:13) then we can let His Spirit transform us ( Romans 12:2). Let us begin each day with praise. Agape; Rich P
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Matthew 5 - 4 years ago
    The shrinks like to say we get angry because we are afraid. The issue often is when we know something to be right; and people don't listen to what we say. There are also cases where we want something we can't have or are retaliating to someone else's bad behavior.

    With anything else; it helps to look at the scriptures and meditate on them day and night ( Joshua 1:8). Obviously; we need to ask the Holy Spirit to remove things that would be roots of bitterness ( Hebrews 12:14-16). The evidence of bad fruit from a corrupt heart is found in the gospels ( Matt. 15:19). Other verses such as 1 Peter 2:1-2 and Ephesians 4:26-32 offer further advice.

    I hope you will trust the Lord for these changes; not yourself. I found that after the anger that came from a contentious divorce after my wife had an affair was dealt with by much prayer; and counselling based on a study in the Book of James. (see James 1:19). God can and will give you unconditional love even toward your enemies. That was how I was able to forgive my dad after years of mental abuse; by telling him that I loved him. It is helping me having to live with him now.

    Agape..Rich P
  • GAIL on Matthew 5 - 4 years ago
    I want pray about change my ways an be better person

    Instead of arguing getting mad angry all the the time
  • Richard H Priday - 4 years ago
    The gift of faith

    This is perhaps the hardest to explain; although any one else's interpretation would be helpful. I have understood this to mean an unusually strong unction to believe in answers to prayer and in all circumstances trusting God. It would certainly seem that with any other gift maturity and Godly living as well as trying to heed to God's voice could accomplish growth in faith; at least in general. This probably is better understood with itinerant missionaries with limited communications with the outside world; limited funds; resources and food supply available.

    The balance has to be with the fact that some individuals CLEARLY have closer; more intimate communication with God; who blesses them so that "men can praise God for their good works" ( Matthew 5:16) while others have the tenacity to seek after Him through persistent prayer. The problem that can arise in BOTH cases is when we get caught up with ourselves. Should a ministry name itself after someone; or an individual be put on a larger than life status then surely that pride leads us to a fall.

    Therefore; as with any giftings we all need each other. It is for edification of the Body; hence one person can clearly see how to pray and what to pray; but another has a much clearer picture of the person being lifted up knowing them personally who can shed further light on a situation. So someone mature in faith must be open to someone else praying who the Spirit moves as well as vice versa.

    There is also the case of those who are tares among the wheat. If there are those who expouse false doctrines; or are living a lifestyle of unrepentant sin; we are asked if they claim to be Christins not to even sit and eat with them. ( 1 Cor. 5:11). I would say emphatically that we should NOT ask them to pray for us and if they ask politely decline. The demons that are controlling them no doubt will attempt to influence us to follow the same paths to destruction.
  • Richard H Priday - 4 years ago
    Mercy as a spiritual gift

    "Blessed are the pure in heart; for they shall see God." ( Matthew 5:8). Christ certainly gave us the perfect example; of mercy and compassion as His concern for the multitudes superseded His own stresses over His impending death; the unbelief of the 12 disciples; the constant threats of the Pharisees; and His jealousy for God's name. He couldn't even get a break when going to a desert place after John was beheaded to grieve with the disciples. Christ surely did all that He was called to do; without ever holding back. Part of this ministry also was deliverance; in caring for those who were in some sense in prison ( Isaiah 42:7).

    Souls were ultimately; of course saved so as to secure eternal forgiveness which none of us as sinners deserved.

    I; for one am sorely lacking in this gift; and am pleased to have a few brothers and sisters put that gift in display in my lifetime.

    One important aspect which separates such individuals from those with a naturally kind disposition (pretty rare today anyway) is PRAYER; particularly spontaneous when such individuals become aware of the needs of others in that capacity. These individuals; also I would highly recommend to have in your prayer circles for when they are walking properly with Jesus they are likely to have an unusually successful prayer life for the simple reason that they have no barricades like many others (as myself) that tend not to have their whole hearts in it. Of course the mind also should participate in prayer. It is often said these individuals as with any others gifted in a certain area have common weaknesses. That weakness would tend to be too easily emotionally manipulated when taking their spiritual eyes off what the Lord desires them to pay attention to and focus on merely human emotions which can be deceptive and fickle. Such individuals in particular need to be grounded in the Word; as they tend often not to be as discerning as they should be.


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