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There have been many discussions about this. People differ in opinion. James 1:5, I ask you pray for wisdom & discernment of truth.
Why do you ask, this question like this?
1st we have Luke 16,
Then we have Paradise mentioned 3 times, in: Luke 23:39-46, 2Corinthians 12:2-4, Revelation 2:7,
Out of the Grave: Ezekiel 37:12,13, Matthew 27:52,53, John 5:28,
Judgement : Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7, Romans 14:12, 1Peter 4:1-5, Matthew 12:36,
Jesus being the 1st born: Romans 8:29-39,
Hopefully these are helpful
In your study maybe include: Daniel 12, continuing from Daniel 11.
Also : Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17:20-37, Luke 18:8, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7, John 16:33, 1Thessalonians, 2Thessalonians, Zephaniah 1:14,15, Ezekiel 30:3, Amos 5:18-20, 2Timothy 3,
Isaiah 24,
Daniel 7, encouraging= Daniel 7:25-26,
Hopefully these are helpful in your study & discussion
King David was a shepherd. Samuel anointed David King over Israel. It was YEARS before He made it to Jerusalem.
We have this same issue come up frequently. A preacher friend Iverna Tompkins ministers to Churches. Generally meetings with women. Sometimes the Pastor requests men or women to attend as a mixed group.
If you listen to a couple of her videos on Youtube__the message she delivers (the Word) is anointed. Everyone is blessed who attends.
On the Day of Pentecost in the Upper Room, IT WAS A MIXED CROWD. All of them received the Baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT. The room spilled out in the streets! Everyone heard the message (gift of tongues) in their own language. All 3 Mary's were there: His mother, Lazarus's sister Mary and Mary Magdalene.
The Holy Spirit came as a rushing wind, doors and windows blew open, and the fire of tongues fell on all those who were there. And everyone was experiencing the gift of tongues, they were prophesying and proclaiming Jesus as Messiah, King of Kings, Lord of Lords with all their strength.
People outside heard the sounds and rushed to see what was happening and they too heard their own language!
Jesus meant it to be this way THEN AND NOW. We are so cultured and PC you rarely see the gifts of the Holy Spirit in a church service. I've been in churches that allow the Holy Spirit to Come and Fall on us. He did. I walked towards the stage and the Power of the Holy Spirit was so strong, we all fell into a kneeling position. 2/3 of the church got touched or healed. The oil of joy poured on us and all the pressures of life and depression were lifted off.
Men or women are all able to pray ISAIAH 61 or Luke 4:18. We are all called to GO YE INTO ALL OF OUR WORLD and work in the Harvest. Do you hear that call?
Ask the Holy Spirit to fill you and anoint your message.
Receive the joy and fill your lamps with oil.
Matthew 25:12, John 9:35-38.
Sometimes we have to find out who we are not, & who we don't want to be, before we find out who we are. I've told several people at times before testings & temptation we can say "I'd never" but as Peter under the real pressure gave in, we really don't know how we handle trial & temptation until testing. (We're to pray that God deliver us & lead us not into temptation ' Matthew 6,) Luke 22:31-34, Luke 22:40-62, Matthew 26:75, John 21:17, later Peter became a bold preacher read all the book of Acts to see Peter's boldness afterward. Here's a few: Acts 2:38-47, Acts 2:14, this is in the Bible for those of us who need this encouragement. Also this scripture : Luke 7:47, in context Luke 7:37-50,
Here are a few more: Mark 1:15, Acts 2:38, John 3:15-16, Acts 3:19, Romans 3:22-25,
Romans 5:8, "But God commendeth his love towards us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Ephesians 5,
Ephesians 5:8 "For ye were sometimes darkness, but now ye are light in the Lord: walk as children of the light."
Matthew 7, Matthew 25:31-46, 2Corinthians 1:4,
Hopefully these are all helpful
I think the oil would probably represent our readiness. I do not say this because the bible teaches it. It is just my guess. In the Parable of the Ten Virgins ( Matthew 25:1-13), it tells us that only five of the ten were prepared and ready. Verse 1 tells us that they all took their lamps to meet the bridegroom, but five of them took no oil.
A lamp in those days was a torch. It was a stick with cloth wrapped around it. They would soak the cloth in oil and they would light it, and they would bring an extra bottle of oil along to keep it lit. There were 10 virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. So they are taking their station along the route. Five had oil and five did not.
Verse 10 is the key to this entire parable. They were ready, and they went in. And after they went in, the door was shut. Then the moral of the story would be in Verse 13: Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
In Verse 12, when the master of the feast inside the door says I know you not, it is the same thing Jesus said in Matthew 7:23. He says "In that day many people are going to come to me and say, Lord, Lord, have we not done many things in your name? Cast out demons, premiered many miracles." And Jesus says, in that day I will say I never knew you.
As far as our readiness and our lamps burning, if we belong to Christ, our lamps will always be burning. Jesus Christ is our light. We are always ready because the light of Christ is always in us.
Hope this helps!
Everything is God's Will, period. It's God's will to give man freewill. God is big and powerful enough to do this, even if people can't understand it and still want to deny it. God also is big and powerful enough to change His mind and let things play out, as the Bible says in Exodus 32:14, Genesis 18:32, and over a dozen other examples.
Maybe you believe you are a puppet or marionette 100% controlled by God. Did God force you to write this post beyond your will? Does God force you to eat at certain foods you dislike or do things you don't want to do throughout the day? Does he force you to take showers or use restrooms at random times when you don't want to? Are you a prisoner? If so, does this also mean you are perfect just like Jesus and don't sin? Have you ever lied to someone in your lifetime? If so, was that God forcing you to sin or was it 100% you? God doesn't cause anyone to sin ever.
None of the above applies to me as God blessed me with 100% freewill and I try very hard to use that for good and to serve the Lord. But like Paul who faced huge temptation and struggled, I wrestle with these daily choices and decisions and sometimes I make mistakes but repent and try hard to get back on track. Paul said to run the race, not to ignore the race and sit on the couch. Christianity is an active faith, not passive. Nearly every challenge in the Bible is for us to take action and make choices. Many are warnings about choosing good instead of evil.
Freewill that God gives man:
Psalms 119:108
Joshua 24:15
Philippians 1:22
Joshua 24:14-15
Matthew 25:25-30 - Jesus's parable of talents God condemned the lazy servant who choose poorly through fear. The Bible is filled with challenges of choosing to follow God instead of choosing to follow the world.
I find it unusual that you don't believe you have any freewill to make any decisions and are merely a puppet? Is that true? Have you prayed about this? God bless.
Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there. And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me. Isaiah 65:8-10.
NOTICE: HERES A CONTRAST GROUP IN Isaiah 65:11-16. These blessings is not to ALL!
Isaiah 65:17. parallels with Revelation 21:1. So you can go back and forward between the two books and get the sequence of events in its order and see the players involved and their separate destinations.
Isaiah 65:18-20 is clearly Israel and clearly future. (Not the Church)
See here the parallels:
Isaiah 65:19. and Revelation 21:4.
Isaiah 65:21_23. and Deuteronomy 28:30-33 ( Deuteronomy 28:45-46) is clearly Israel.
Isaiah 65:25. Clearly future.
Notice the economy, location, two groups and two fates, in both Revelation and Isaiah in both books last few chapters.
Isaiah 66.
Isaiah66;17-21. and Matthew 25:31-46. (Judgement of the individuals of the Nations) Notice three groups 1) The sheep.
2) The Goats. 3) The little ones. (Possibly the 144000 sealed servants.)
Isaiah 66:22. Shows Gods faithful promises and purpose for Israel is eternal.
Now we come to Isaiah 66;23-24.
Isaiah 66:23. Speaks of All those who are saved!
Isaiah 66:24. Speaks of those who are not. ( Revelation 21:1-8.)
IS 66;24. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: FOR THEIR WORM SHALL NOT DIE, NEITHER SHALL THEIR FIRE BE QUENCED; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. ( This speaks of their eternal state of damnation.) as seen in Revelation 20:13-15. Revelation 22:11.
2 Peter 3:6-14. Speaks of two groups, repentance, consequences.
Revelation 20:11-15.
Judgment and the division of two groups. Those written in the book of life and those cast into the lake of fire. Matthew 25:41.
Revelation 21:1-6.
New heaven and new earth.
Revelation 21:7-8.
A mention of two separate groups set for two destinations.
Here in Revelation 21:9-27. we have
A view of the bride and great city Jerusalem and the nations of them which are saved and the gates.
Notice who's is absent in verse 27.(And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie:) Note; Same group in Revelation 20:15.
We shall see this group again in the next chapter.
However here's a group that made it in! ( but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.)
Revelation 22:1-21.
Verse 10 the climax.
"And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."
Separation. and fate sealed.
NO REFINING FIRE.
Revelation 22:11-15. HE THAT IS UNJUST, LET HIM BE UNJUST STILL: and he which is filthy, LET HIM BE FILTHY STILL: and he that is righteous, LET HIM BE RIGHTEOUS STILL: and he that is holy, LET HIM BE HOLY STILL.
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
FOR WITHOUT ARE DOGS, AND SORCERERS, AND WHOREMONGERS, AND MURDERERS, AND IDOLATERS, and WHOSOEVER LOVETH AND MAKETH A LIE.( Same group in Revelation 20:15.
Revelation21: 27.)
and Matthew 25:41.
Who's the unjust that is unjust still?
A warning!! Revelation 22:18-19.
God bless.
John 15:13. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Redemption.
To fully appreciate this Love, one would have to believe we've been Redeemed from something!! There would have to be consequences for the opposition.
We've been bought with the blood of Christ!
John 3:35-36. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: AND HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE; BUT THE WRATH OF GOD abideth on him.
The narrow gate.
The only way to the father is by the son. John 14:6.
However not many will find it.
Matthew 7:13-14. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Here we see two groups with separate destinations.
Matthew 25:41, 46. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, DEPART FROM ME, YE CURSED, INTO EVERLASTING FIRE, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS:
And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT: BUT THE RIGHTEOUS INTO LIFE ETERNAL.
Note.
Everlasting punishment is not a refining fire. It's EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT.
These verses have to be taken literal, that's the only way that Love is displayed.
God bless.
Proverbs 22:6, it's a process of examples by living teaching by example, showing what love one another means.._..
Matthew 25:31-46, James 1:27, I would start there
Hopefully these are helpful
I'm responding to your reply without reading any of the responses, so my thoughts will stay focused. Just incase there's repeating._..
Being you're still alive, it's not final judgement: Matthew 4:17, Acts 17:30, 2Peter 3:9, in context read whole chapter. Psalms 48:14, Proverbs 10:12, Proverbs 13:14, Ezekiel 33:11, Ezekiel 18:32,
it could be warning from GOD: Psalms 118:18,
or attack not from GOD,: Ephesians 6:12,
Psalms 90,
Jeremiah 18:8,
Psalms 37,
You are angry because of injustice it seems: Exodus 21, Exodus 22, Leviticus 20, Numbers 35, Proverbs 8:36, Genesis 18:19, Proverbs 21:3,
Psalms 73, Jeremiah 27:7-18, Isaiah 58, Isaiah 59, Matthew 25:31-46, James 2,
Ephesians 6:10-18, Ephesian 4:26, Psalms 82:3, Ecclesiastes 5:8,
Hopefully these are helpful
Mark 12:38-44, Leviticus 23:22, Deuteronomy 24:19-21,
Hopefully these are helpful
Reading GOD's WORD, the Bible helps teach us. 1John 2:27,
2Timothy 2,
Hopefully these are helpful
The Church will be removed from the earth BEFORE the appearing of the Antichrist ( 2nd Thessalonians 2:7,8). There isn't one verse in the entire Bible which indicates that the Church will go through the Tribulation period. In fact, if you want proof of a Pretribulation Rapture, you'll find it simply by studying the Bible. If we compare Scriptures having to do with the Translation of the Church (i.e., the Rapture), with those passages relating to the setting up of Christ's Kingdom, one can only reasonably conclude that it would be utterly IMPOSSIBLE for these two events to occur simultaneously. Let's look at some of the comparisons:
Matthew 25:31,32 - "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory. And before him shall be gathered all nations" Carefully notice that Jesus is going to sit upon His throne in Jerusalem when He returns, and the nations of earth will be gathered before Him to be judged. How can this fact be reconciled with 1st Thessalonians 4:17, which states that the saints will be caught up together to meet with the Lord in the air?
If people stuck with the simple prophetic truths in the Bible and stopped listening to internet preachers...all this denial about the rapture, tribulation, 2nd coming, etc...wouldn't have become so contrived and over inflated. I see the modern church reaching a contradictory point of twisting Scripture and confusing masses to the point of eventually just denying everything.
Numbers 8:14, 1Kings 8:53, Jeremiah 1:5, Matthew 25:32-41, Luke 6:22, Acts 13:2, 2Corinthians 6:17, Hebrews 7:26, Matthew 22:1-14, 1Peter 2:9,
Romans 9:21-24,
Hopefully these are helpful
Repent= the act of leaving what GOD prohibited & returning to what HE commanded.
Revelation 2:5, Matthew 3:2, Luke 13:3-9, Exodus 20:14,
Where does it say to be sorry, because of our trespass?
Remember the woman: John 8:1-12, Psalms 130:4,
James 2, Matthew 25:31-46, Ezekiel 33:11,
Luke 9:23, Matthew 16:24, Mark 8:34, Romans 8:13, Matthew 10:28, Colossians 1:10-23, Ephesians 5:1-20, Jude 1:24-25,
Hopefully these are helpful
* Psalms 118:8,9, Psalms 146:3, Proverbs 22:16, Micah 7:5,
James 1:25, Matthew 25:31-46,
Hopefully these are helpful
We know from Eph. 1: 13 that we are sealed w/ the Holy Spirit when we believed on Christ, but, even seals can be broken. We also see in Eph. 1:14 that the Holy Spirit is our earnest, but, that is not a guarantee. If we could never have our names blotted out of the Book of Life and forfeit the Holy Spirit by not remaining faithful to Christ then why would Christ even tell his followers of the parable of the 10 virgins?
You also said that nowhere in the Bible does Christ say that he once knew someone and then didn't. For that, I go to Rev. 3:16, in which Christ spits out the lukewarm Christian. This is not a depiction of someone who was "never in Christ to begin with" but someone who was in Christ and is spit out.
Also Rev. 3: 21 "To him that OVERCOMETH will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." To overcome means to endure to the end ( Matthew 24:13)
Paul speaks under inspiration of the Holy Spirit tell Christians in Rom. 6: 16 that only those who obey Christ will inherit eternal life. This is not a unconditional.
Also ref. 2 Peter 1: 10-11 regarding eternal life. It's conditional, not unconditional.
Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believe do enter into his rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although THE WORKS were FINISHED from the foundation of the world.
Matthew 13:35 That it might be FULFILLED (the works finished before the foundation of the world) which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth IN PARABLES; I will utter things that have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of the Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have CHOSEN YOU (from the foundation of the world) .....
Man is a vessel, he has no say IN THE WORKS OF GOD.
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Man is FULFILLING the WORDS and WORKS FINISHED before the foundation of the world.
If you were CHOSEN from the foundation, you will be a FIRST FRUIT
If you were not CHOSEN to be a FIRST FRUIT, you will be brought into the kingdom at the feast if the Ingathering.
God Bless You!
To, work out your own salvation with fear & trembling : Please read in context Ephesians 2, whole chapter Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7, Ephesians 6:11-18, 1Peter 1, whole chapter,
Hopefully these are helpful
Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, 1Corinthians 15:41-58, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Psalms 97:2, Psalms 104:3, Joel 2:1-15, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Matthew 26:62-68, Mark 14:60-65, Revelation 1:7, 2Thessalonians 1:4-12, 2Thessalonians 2:1-17, Revelation 6:9-17, Revelation 7, Revelation 8, note Revelation 8:6 continues on through Revelation 9, & Revelation 10, Revelation 10:6-7, Revelation 14, note Revelation 14:12-20,
Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 20:5, Revelation 20:12-15, Revelation 20, in context &
Revelation 1:5, Colossians 1:18,
Hebrews 6:1-3, Hebrews 11, Revelation 11:15-19, Acts 24:15, Mark 12:26-27, Luke 16:19-31
Hope these are helpful
Some thoughts: Angels were WITH God at the creation; hence they saw everything. God has NO redemption for them. How much they were aware of the consequences of their rebellion is unclear. Praise God that we do NOT see such things. Praise God that God didn't let Adam go on in his FALLEN state without removing the tree of life which would have sealed him forever in that state-and that He had a redemption plan for man as Genesis 3:15 indicates. Of course we don't have any listing of Adam in the "hall of saints" of Hebrews 11.
We have the apparent corruption of the seed of men mentioned in Genesis 6 and likely that will be repeated with some DNA alteration with the mark of the beast. It would seem; anyway that the demon rising out of the pit (Apollyon) will possess Antichrist; who in turn will decieve ALL those not in the Book of Life with some promise of utopia or eternal existence. My point here is that day and night the devil never sleeps ( Rev. 12:10; and 1 Peter 5:8-9). He uses the minds of natural men and the desires of the world to decieve ( Matt. 16:23). This verse is sobering; because it shows that our natural desire to live must be superceded by dying to self and for Him if necessary. It also reflects what on the surface would seem to e a sympathetic statement by Peter who couldn't concieve of Christ as Lord (which the Spirit apparently revealed to him right before that) having to go through that. His natural mind was like the others who became exceedingly sad and tuned out these hard sayings.
Jesus; mercifully reasurred Peter that after he converted that he would also strengthen his brethren. ( Luke 22:31-32). This probably refers to the state at Pentecost after he was transformed. Jesus alluded to this after asking 3 times if he loved Him (using different terms for love). He thus went where he didn't want to go. We must also walk in the Spirit. Agape.
It may be a poetic writing inspired by the WORD of GOD. Resemblance to GOD's timing & mercy.
Please see, these scripture, Matthew 24, Mark 13, whole chapters, 1Corinthians 15:52, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 12:15-59, 2Peter 3:9
Hopefully these are helpful
Then one day I read: Amos 5:18-24,
People long for Mercy, Justice, correct judgement that may be the root of the plea, prayer.
However Jesus instruction was pray "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven " Matthew 6:9-13,
Daniel 7:27, Psalms 145:13, John 17, note John 17:15-16, Luke 17:20-21,
Proverbs 21:3, Isaiah 56:1, Psalms 82:3, Isaiah 59:4, (context Isaiah 59), Jeremiah 22:15, * Isaiah 58,
2Samuel 8:15, 1Kings 10:9, Ezekiel 45:9, Micah 6:8,
We even as 1 person can bring justice, mercy, truth, hope, deliverance, through faith, endurance, prayer, action & being a living example
Romans 1:17, James 2, Hebrews 11, 2Corinthians 5:7, Mark 11:22-26,
We are called to bring Justice, Judgement, Mercy.
Ecclesiastes 5:8, Jeremiah 23:5, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 6,
Psalms 102:17, * James 5,
Hopefully these are helpful, please share these scriptures with those whom you feel led as a tool
Ephesians 5:28-29,
Luke 16:18,
2Timothy 3:1-10,
James 1:19-27
Hopefully you will find many of these useful to your situation. I pray the HOLY Spirit teach you & guide you into HIS way.