If I could interject something. The reason why certain books were left out for instance: the new Testament. The only scripture allowed was letters written by people who actually walked with Christ such as the disciples. Paul is the exception because he was the one converted by Christ himself. Paul also saw heaven although he was too humble to even discuss what he saw, or brag about it. Not like people today who claim they have been there and write books and go on speaking tours. If they could not actually confirm the period it was written, or that this person actually was with Jesus, they did not allow it to become part of the "Canon" This way, the Bible would be kept pure from false doctrine. Interesting to note, Paul's writings actually make up about half of the New Testament.
That is a different question then. You would need to research the origins of the Bible and the Bible canon. Even biased wikipedia articles can shed light on this and give a general overview. You then asked why books were 'left out'. The question could be phrased as why Catholics added books. You could also research the dead sea scrolls. Also research the apocrypha. Link
Both of you missed the first part of the question. Why does the King James Bible (or whatever you choose to call it) consist of the books therein? Why were the 4 books of the Maccabees left out? Or all of the books of the Catholic Bible left out of the Protestant Bible? This is what I meant by different versions.
Hi Brian, the KJV is not a "Protestant Bible brought out of the Protestant Reformation." That characterization suggests bias and that wouldn't be a fair assumption and charactization for 2 reasons:
1. The KJV is an accurate Bible transation. It has nothing to do with divisions or sects of Christianity. The translation is transparent and the word by word careful translation can be verified by anyone.
2. The KJV is read not just by protestants, but catholics, mormons, and other faiths.
It sounds like the real question posed is since the KJV Bible is accurate, why do some groups such as catholics alter it and add/remove books from their Bibles. For that you'd have to ask the catholics. Secondly, such Bibles are not KJV. The KJV is the one in this site and many others across the web and they have the same books, so you won't find variations as suggested by the question other than the apocrypha. The old testament was written in Hebrew and new testament in greek, so I don't understand the original question about greek having different books. God bless.
The King James Bible is a Protestant Bible brought out of the Protestant Reformation. It was written in the English Language. Prior to the 1611 King James Bible the Holy Scriptures were written and hand copied in Latin, Greek, and Hebrew. One thing that the Reformation achieved was, through the invention of the printing press, the Bible was printed in the languages of the common people throughout Europe, thanks in large part to Martin Luther who translated the New Testament into the German Language. A lot of the reason why there are so many different versions of the Bible was political. The Catholic Church controlled religion and the average person did not have access to the Latin Vulgate Bible and hence the Church dictated what people knew about Salvation. Once the Bible was translated into the common language of the people the Church lost a lot of control over the masses. People began to read and think out their own Salvation apart from the Pope and the Catholic Church.
Your comments are a compilation of vain religious doctrines and commandments ( Matthew 15:9; Isa. 29:13; Col 2:18; 1 Timothy 1:6,7; Titus 1:14) that are not able to provide salvation to mankind.
Regardless of the thin air in Nova Scotia as described by Fred Scanlan, please do know that our website and Ministry in Christ moves very well with the Holy Spirit and was visited last year by people from over 160 countries. There are 193 countries in the world, while the Vatican and Palestine are observer States. Also, we much prefer to breath the cleaner air in Nova Scotia rather than the air out West.
Please remember: You need not that any man teach you ( Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), It is only by revelation of God that you will come to know Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1).
You are currently travelling on a 'wide' road and be reminded that it is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:13,14). The emphasis is on the word 'few'.
Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7). Don't let your self-righteousness stand in the way of your salvation ( Romans 10:3,4).
Tell me why the King James Bible consists of the included books only. In other words, why are there different versions? Roman Catholic, Protestant, Greek...?
Reviewing all your vain 'Rhetoric' ( Matthew 15:9), it is obvious that your mind has been corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ ( 2 Cor. 11:3; 1 Timothy 1:3; 4:1; Hebr. 13:9; 2 Peter 3:17; Jude 4).
Please study who the 'Holy Ghost' is and what it means to sin against the 'Holy Ghost' ( Mark 3:29; Luke 12:10).
Matthew 9:12. They (the believers) that be whole need not a physician (Christ), but they that are sick (sinners). Trust us; the large majority of people on this website are 'not well'.
The law can make no one righteous because no one can keep the law God prefers mercy than punishment that is why Jesus died for us on the cross the law has no love or mercy and can't forgive sins. let the Holy spirit guide your direction. Bless you.
It is very confusing about blaspheming the holy spirit. Maybe it's the way that it's worded? I guess that I still don't understand it.
Anyways, it would be considered legal to bring this guy's dead hand back to life on the Sabbath day. I think that anything that has to do with life and restoration is definitely allowable. And the Rabbi's would have known it too. So telling him not to do it - is a little bit like they thought they could control him with a technicality. And they might have thought of him as a fake healer. Of course maybe some just kind of knew that it was real, but didn't want to do the work and so forth, so they invalidated it by using another line of reasoning. But no matter where you go with it - it still comes back to amazing-
I think the Lord is saying during these times is to work and fear not for he will be with you, as in chapter 2:4-5. The Lord is calling his people to be holy, 2:13-14 Then said Haggai, If one that is unclean by a dead body touch any of these , shall it be unclean? And the priests answered and said, It shall be unclean. (I believe he is speaking of fornications) Then answered Haggai, and said, So is this people, and so is this nation before me, says the Lord; and so is every work of their hands; and that which they offer there is unclean. No matter how much a person goes to church if they do not get their hearts right, that which they offer there will be unclean. In Matthew 15:19 For out of the HEART proceed EVIL thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. ***( Jesus said these are evil thoughts)*** Jesus said in Matthew 15:17-18 Do you not yet understand, that what so ever entered in at the mouth, goes into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things that which proceed out of the mouth come fourth from the HEART: and they defile the man. Matthew 9:3-4 And, behold, certain of the Scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth. And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, wherefore think ye EVIL in your HEARTS. Once again in Mark 2:6-8 But there were certain scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their HEARTS. Why does this man speak blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God only? And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said to them, Why reason these things in your HEARTS? Mark 3:4-5 And he said to them is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath days or to do EVIL. But they held their peace. And when he looked round about him with ANGER, BEING GRIEVED FOR THE HARDNESS OF THEIR HEARTS, he said to the man stretch fourth your hand. and he stretched it out, and his hand was restored whole as the other. READ PROVERBS 4:23 about the heart, I hope this helps someone.
First of all you are correct; you never said that the word teknon does not mean "child."
You actually said that the word kalos does not mean child, and again, you are correct.
I am sorry for the misunderstanding.
As far as the topic of repentance, I would refer to the definitions of the two Greek words offered previously, as they are both defined as "repent."
You bring up some interesting ideas about Judas being sorry but not repenting, , but I fully believe the words of Matthew 27:3 to be literal and true on face value; that is, Judas "repented himself."
Concerning Acts 1:18, again, I have never heard of anyone that can commit suicide by cutting themselves open from their Adam's apple to their belly button. That is one tough person. You say that it is possible. I disagree. You do provide interesting theories as well as historical basis to show how this may have happened.
I will offer another. The high priest (appointed by the Roman governor) that falsely accused Jesus likely did not want Judas to remain alive after he threw the money back at them and looked like he was sorry for what he did: So they murdered Judas also.
Your understanding of the unpardonable sin is thought provoking.
I never quite looked at it in that light but can definitely see how it applies throughout one's lifetime in a general way.
I would have to again lean on the Scripture already provided in Matthew 12:32, as well as Mark 3:29 and Luke 12:10.
"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
I am not too sure that I can say with certainty that Judas did not commit the unpardonable sin. There is nothing in scripture that would have me to believe that Judas ever surrendered His life to Christ or that he was a true follower. Sure, Christ chose him as one of the 12. But Judas was evil. I believe Christ chose an evil man to fulfill the prophecy saying He would be betrayed. Jesus chose an evil man to fulfill that role and Judas was that man.
What is your understanding of the unpardonable sin?
Look at Matthew 12:32, Mark 3:28, Luke 12:10.
Are you sure enough with your newly acquired understanding of a few Greek words to claim that, as you state, "Judas never surrendered his life to Jesus" and that Judas was "never a true follower"?
I have never met someone that is pure evil, have you? Even Satan at one time was good, even "perfect" ( Ezekiel 28:12-15).
So kind sir, please do not get too upset when you are challenged on Scriptural matters. I was not trying to offend, just understand.
Just one more thing my friend: Forgiveness is based on being SORRY for what you did and try to make amends (30 pieces of silver). God is the Judge. Ephesians 4:32.
Hi George. Thank you for your testimony and sharing the growing love you have for the Lord through your hunger for His Word. It is always heartening to read that a child of God reads the Bible and wants to know about God. Don't ever be concerned about your English expression; as Christians, we look way beyond that limitation & look at the writer's heart & needs & then try to give some comment that is based on God's Word, which is Truth. Without the Bible, our responses would just be our own opinions & not necessarily what God wants you to hear.
So please continue to read God's Word daily & you know that you will always have an open access here to ask something that you don't understand. And the more you read the Scriptures, the more the Holy Spirit will help you to remember them & to use them when you face some situation in your life. God bless you richly in your Christian life.
Hi George! Glad you're here. It's always interesting. Lots of spirit filled brothers who really know how to study scripture. It's a blessing to me and others sheltering right now.
I have to child sit my 7 yr old grandson tomorrow. See you later.
I'm 58 and only made to 6th grade so please pardon my gramer.when I was a child I learned only one bible verse John 3 :16 its given me hope in my darkest times. Recently once again God has blessed me.Byshowing this App or website. Just in reading the thrust and hunger from God filled hearts and minds searching Gods word and love and having a God field Christian based platform like this .And to receive answers from knowledgeable and wisdom filled Christian's that love the Lord that truly care. It blesses me truly and is Food for my soul. This is now one of my spritchel buffaiees Thanks to all and God bless.
35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
Verse 35, JESUS clearly educate us on a kinsman relationship made by JEHOVAH /GOD, and it supersedes any earthly kinfolks relationship, thereby through SALVATION / John 3:16-21 we have Heavenly family members that will not be seen until we all gather at the MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB.
Adam, let's look at Mark 3:28-30, the unpardonable sin. V.29, Jesus says, But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: He's not talking about Christians. Verse 30 says, Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. Who are "they?" Not Christians. If you back up to Verse 22, you see who Jesus is giving the warning to. Blaspheming means to express rejection. When the Holy Spirit convicts a person of their sin, and their need of Christ, if they reject the testimony, their sins will not be forgiven. Christians receive the testimony, they don't reject it. Why use Hebrews 10:26? It has nothing to do with losing salvation. You're free to believe that you yourself can lose your own salvation, but you shouldn't be trying to convince those who are trusting in God's that they can lose theirs. Instead of looking for verses that seem to indicate you can lose your salvation, I would try finding the verses that indicate you can't!
Hello, the Bible refutes that with these 2 verses and more. A Christian who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit clearly isn't forgiven and won't go to heaven, because that's what Jesus said. He warned Christians about this in the Bible: Mark 3:28-30. Hebrews 10:26. How can anyone claim that a Christian who deliberately turns their back on God and permanently denounces Jesus is still saved? It seems that Jesus's own words would have to be ignored to come to such a conclusion. John 14:15. Why would Jesus tell his Christian followers to obey Him if they were already saved and if it made no difference if they obeyed or not? Why does this Matthew 7:21 reference say also to obey if you don't have to? Clearly these verses paint a different picture than the one satan is painting trying to convince Christians that its ok to disobey and sin all you want with no consequence. One of these beliefs is true and the other is false. Satan is the father of lies and may be behind one of them- which is more likely, that satan is deceiving Christians into being unnecessarily obedient, or that he's deceiving Christians into believing it's ok to be disobedient?
Felisha, if you mean as in a house that is haunted, then I have not encountered any & the Bible doesn't speak of such occurrences. The Bible rather speaks of spirits & particularly in the Old Testament in the Bible, warnings for God's people to not deal with familiar spirits & wizards. There were people in those early days, & of course these days as well, who consulted the dead & who deal with satanic spirits. These satanic spirits are very real as seen in Scripture (see Mathew 10:1, 12:45, Mark 3:11 for a few examples). But as far as haunted houses or even in seances, it could well be evil spirits mimicking departed people. But these are just my thoughts as I've never been involved in this. And these of course, are very dangerous practices & you should stay well clear of them & from anyone who tries to seduce you to join them.
Larry, as you know, the chapter speaks about the wicked false teachers that penetrated (or, allowed to penetrate) Christ's Church. A lesson for us today as well. Their condemnation is already set in stone but for the believers not properly grounded in the faith who are now "entangled/overcome", their end is "worse". Your query no doubt is on the actual state of these believers. My belief is that once a sinner has repented & saved by God's Grace, He is eternally secure & given Power to walk the Christian life. If a believer fails the Lord through sin, the avenue of repentance & forgiveness is there. If he chooses to go the way of sin, then he may not have been saved at all: Heb 6:4-6.
It has been my experience that even though we think we cannot be forgiven. That our sins are more than he will bear, Our God will forgive ! He knows the heart , He knows you and me. He created us ,and loves us beyond our understanding. If you think you have sinned against the holy Ghost, that thought convinces me that you are not outside the grace of God. That your roots are still in place, and your future is still in Him.
i once listened to a secular band called nightwish
then a demon portal opened
and my preacher is now in it.
He wont
leave
i have tried anything.
I can not make him leave.
HE has been evil towards me in 6 years now.
And he wont repent of that demon portal
(what a small thing to do - to repent of a demon portal you might think but he really will not)
bye
I'm here to view and make comment on scripture. I enjoy it. It's not a job.
Back on the red Link Page, there are some explanation of the KJV Bible.
1. The KJV is an accurate Bible transation. It has nothing to do with divisions or sects of Christianity. The translation is transparent and the word by word careful translation can be verified by anyone.
2. The KJV is read not just by protestants, but catholics, mormons, and other faiths.
It sounds like the real question posed is since the KJV Bible is accurate, why do some groups such as catholics alter it and add/remove books from their Bibles. For that you'd have to ask the catholics. Secondly, such Bibles are not KJV. The KJV is the one in this site and many others across the web and they have the same books, so you won't find variations as suggested by the question other than the apocrypha. The old testament was written in Hebrew and new testament in greek, so I don't understand the original question about greek having different books. God bless.
Your comments are a compilation of vain religious doctrines and commandments ( Matthew 15:9; Isa. 29:13; Col 2:18; 1 Timothy 1:6,7; Titus 1:14) that are not able to provide salvation to mankind.
Regardless of the thin air in Nova Scotia as described by Fred Scanlan, please do know that our website and Ministry in Christ moves very well with the Holy Spirit and was visited last year by people from over 160 countries. There are 193 countries in the world, while the Vatican and Palestine are observer States. Also, we much prefer to breath the cleaner air in Nova Scotia rather than the air out West.
Please remember: You need not that any man teach you ( Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), It is only by revelation of God that you will come to know Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1).
You are currently travelling on a 'wide' road and be reminded that it is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:13,14). The emphasis is on the word 'few'.
Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7). Don't let your self-righteousness stand in the way of your salvation ( Romans 10:3,4).
In His Service.
Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
Reviewing all your vain 'Rhetoric' ( Matthew 15:9), it is obvious that your mind has been corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ ( 2 Cor. 11:3; 1 Timothy 1:3; 4:1; Hebr. 13:9; 2 Peter 3:17; Jude 4).
Please study who the 'Holy Ghost' is and what it means to sin against the 'Holy Ghost' ( Mark 3:29; Luke 12:10).
Matthew 9:12. They (the believers) that be whole need not a physician (Christ), but they that are sick (sinners). Trust us; the large majority of people on this website are 'not well'.
Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).
In His Service.
Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
Anyways, it would be considered legal to bring this guy's dead hand back to life on the Sabbath day. I think that anything that has to do with life and restoration is definitely allowable. And the Rabbi's would have known it too. So telling him not to do it - is a little bit like they thought they could control him with a technicality. And they might have thought of him as a fake healer. Of course maybe some just kind of knew that it was real, but didn't want to do the work and so forth, so they invalidated it by using another line of reasoning. But no matter where you go with it - it still comes back to amazing-
Mary
Lots of feed-back, much appreciated.
First of all you are correct; you never said that the word teknon does not mean "child."
You actually said that the word kalos does not mean child, and again, you are correct.
I am sorry for the misunderstanding.
As far as the topic of repentance, I would refer to the definitions of the two Greek words offered previously, as they are both defined as "repent."
You bring up some interesting ideas about Judas being sorry but not repenting, , but I fully believe the words of Matthew 27:3 to be literal and true on face value; that is, Judas "repented himself."
Concerning Acts 1:18, again, I have never heard of anyone that can commit suicide by cutting themselves open from their Adam's apple to their belly button. That is one tough person. You say that it is possible. I disagree. You do provide interesting theories as well as historical basis to show how this may have happened.
I will offer another. The high priest (appointed by the Roman governor) that falsely accused Jesus likely did not want Judas to remain alive after he threw the money back at them and looked like he was sorry for what he did: So they murdered Judas also.
Your understanding of the unpardonable sin is thought provoking.
I never quite looked at it in that light but can definitely see how it applies throughout one's lifetime in a general way.
I would have to again lean on the Scripture already provided in Matthew 12:32, as well as Mark 3:29 and Luke 12:10.
"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
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You state,
"Just one more thing kind sir,
I am not too sure that I can say with certainty that Judas did not commit the unpardonable sin. There is nothing in scripture that would have me to believe that Judas ever surrendered His life to Christ or that he was a true follower. Sure, Christ chose him as one of the 12. But Judas was evil. I believe Christ chose an evil man to fulfill the prophecy saying He would be betrayed. Jesus chose an evil man to fulfill that role and Judas was that man.
What is your understanding of the unpardonable sin?
Look at Matthew 12:32, Mark 3:28, Luke 12:10.
Are you sure enough with your newly acquired understanding of a few Greek words to claim that, as you state, "Judas never surrendered his life to Jesus" and that Judas was "never a true follower"?
I have never met someone that is pure evil, have you? Even Satan at one time was good, even "perfect" ( Ezekiel 28:12-15).
So kind sir, please do not get too upset when you are challenged on Scriptural matters. I was not trying to offend, just understand.
Just one more thing my friend: Forgiveness is based on being SORRY for what you did and try to make amends (30 pieces of silver). God is the Judge. Ephesians 4:32.
Yes there is. No person who has the Holy Spirit in dwelling, can call Jesus accursed.
They cannot call him Lord either. You have to choose now, whom you will believe.
Mark 3:29
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
James 2:7
Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
Ephesians 4:3
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
1 Timothy 1:20
Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
Revelation 13:6
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Mark 3:28
Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
So please continue to read God's Word daily & you know that you will always have an open access here to ask something that you don't understand. And the more you read the Scriptures, the more the Holy Spirit will help you to remember them & to use them when you face some situation in your life. God bless you richly in your Christian life.
I have to child sit my 7 yr old grandson tomorrow. See you later.
Verse 35, JESUS clearly educate us on a kinsman relationship made by JEHOVAH /GOD, and it supersedes any earthly kinfolks relationship, thereby through SALVATION / John 3:16-21 we have Heavenly family members that will not be seen until we all gather at the MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB.