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Mark 2:27

"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:"

Matthew 5:17

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

Matthew 5:18

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Thank you for your comments, "Seventh day is sabbath". I always maintain that if the foundation is not settled, then anything built thereon will be shaky. So, referring to your first comment: "The Sabbath was given to man Mark 2:27 at creation Genesis 2:2-3 it's not a day that God required just for the Israelite's to keep, which is why the 4th commandment starts with "remember" it is because the children of Israel had forgotten through hundreds of years of slavery in Egypt."

It seems that your understanding of those Scriptures in Genesis & Mark applied not only to Israel but to all mankind, or more specifically to the 'other sheep' that were to come into Christ's fold. To this I disagree, for the following reasons:

a. Exodus 31:13-17 & Ezek 20:12. Clear references as to who should keep the Sabbath & that it was given as not only a day of ceasing from all labours, but as importantly, a sign of the relationship between God & Israel. It was never intended to include Gentiles or the Church in such a requirement.

b. Galatians 3:19. Shows that both the validity & finality of the Law (the whole Law) was fully realized at the death of Jesus Christ.

c. Matthew 5:17. Jesus demonstrated that He alone could fulfil the whole requirements of the Law & none else. The Law was given because of "transgressions" but none could obey it fully to please God & satisfy its demands, since "if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law" ( Gal 3:21). So no Law could bring righteousness, even as a certain ruler learned ( Lk 18:18-24). If he believed he obeyed all of God's Law, how did Jesus pick him up on that point of selling all & following him? That man just had a quick lesson to find out that he in fact didn't obey it perfectly: he broke the very first commandment by placing his wealth, & maybe family & other assets, before his love for God.

How then can we rest on the Law for anything except to know God's Mind & Purposes?

Chris:

a. The Sabbath was given to man Mark 2:27 at creation Genesis 2:2-3 it's not a day that God required just for the Israelite's to keep, which is why the 4th commandment starts with "remember" it is because the children of Israel had forgotten through hundreds of years of slavery in Egypt.

b. Jesus came to this world not to destroy the law and the prophets Matt. 5:17, The law (10 commandments) says to remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.

The breaking of bread in Acts 20:7 is referring to eating (food) (see Acts 20:11)

1 Cor. 16:2 the "first day of the week" Paul is referring to putting aside your offerings (collection for the saints) starting on the first day of the week (Sunday) (see 1 Cor.16:1)

Revelation 1:10 John was in vision on the sabbath (Lord's day is the sabbath, For the son of man is Lord, even of the sabbath day. (see Matthew 12:8)

c. What was nailed to the cross was the "ceremonial laws" not the 10 commandments. In (Matt.27:51) the veil of the temple was rent in two when Jesus died on the cross, the ceremonial laws that God had required since sin came into the world (sacrificing animals ect) was no longer needed because the ultimate sacrifice had just been made and that was the shedding of blood of a sinless Jesus on the cross.

Matthew 5:18 One jot or one tittle shall not wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Rev. 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter into the gates of the city.

WHY DO PEOPLE NOT REST ON THE SABBATH DAY / SEVENTH DAY?

And God RESTED on the SEVENTH DAY.

And God BLESSED the SEVENTH DAY and SANCTIFIED the SEVENTH DAY.

Many have changed the day of rest from the SEVENTH DAY to the first day.

There are TWO Biblical reasons people believe this.

1) The first day of the week is the day that Matthew 28:1, Mark and Luke 23:55, 24:2 relate that the sepulchre was opened and Jesus was not found there.

2) During the 40 days that Jesus was on earth before He rose into heaven He appeared to His disciples seven times. Five of the seven times Jesus met with them on the FIRST DAY of the week. The other two times, the day is not mentioned. Look at Mark 16:9-13, Mark 16:14-18, Luke 24:13-33, Luke 24:34, Luke 24:36-44, John 20:11-23, John 20:26-29.

None of the examples given above concerning the FIRST DAY of the week allow any authority for us to change the SEVENTH DAY to the FIRST DAY.

Jesus NEVER GAVE AUTHORITY TO DO THIS.

( Mark 2:27-28) "And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath."

If we believe in the Father and His only begotten Son, then we have Christ in us every day, not just one day per week.

This new understanding is an enhancement of the 7th day, not the abolishing of it. It was made to last FOREVER. This is a day that God BLESSED and SANCTIFIED!

Christ ALWAYS honored the Sabbath.

The Apostles kept the Sabbath AFTER CHRIST DIED; look at Acts 13:14, 27, 42, 44, Acts 16:13, etc.

Pentecost is a holy SABBATH day; i.e. a day of rest.

In Acts 17:2 and Acts 18:4, Paul is continually feeding the people Scripture on the SABBATH. Christ never abolished the Sabbath; neither did Paul. God never said anything concerning that fact, and if He wanted that day changed He would have made it abundantly clear.

Further study concerning the importance of the Seventh Day can be found throughout ALL Scripture; as well as in the Book of Enoch.

The Sabbath day was the day that God designated as the day that the Israelites would not be doing anything else but praying and worshipping Him. With respect with Israel time The sabbath was from 6pm Saturday to 6pm Sunday so sometime it is believed by some that the Sabbath was on Saturday while others believed it was Sunday.

Jesus Christ fulfilled the Sabbath day, He is the Master of the Sabbath.

Matthew chapter 12

For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue (Church)

And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him (Jesus) saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.

And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?

How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.

Then the Pharisees (Religious people) went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.

Sabbath is a Jewish word that describes the day everyone goes to Church. And he is showing that it can be on any day of the week if necessary.

A Christian church is when everyone comes to pray for salvations and healings; everyone agreeing together and praying for someone to experience the power of the Holy Spirit

Sabbath or Church is for the people...not only the priest or the pastor.

I've been to some churches where half the service is dance-a-thon and not a lot of study. If you aren't learning anything, you might need to google some churches and see what their Tenets Of Faith are. What are their beliefs.

We need BIBLE TEACHING! Not psychology, not marriage restoration; not services that are 50% entertainment where people just sit and watch. Do you catch what I'm saying? It's the people that are the engines that drive some church services. A Pastor that doesn't feed his sheep; produces skinny, unhealthy sheep. They fall into ditches, fall into sin.

This isn't the 80's,90's, 2000-2019. It's 2020. Signs are starting to happen. Jesus is returning SOON. People need to know what's coming on the earth SOON!

what is sabbath

In reference to the confusion as to the identity of Jesus' followers, I offer John 7:5 as evidence that states,"even his brother did not believe in Him". James and Jude, his half brothers by Mary, did not become believers until after the resurrection; therefore, they were not among the 12 apostles and followers of Jesus during his ministry.

Victoria,

Concerning the 7th day of the week and the 1st day of the week

The Hebrew definition of the word "week," or "weeks," simply means "sevened."

The Greek definition of the word "week" is defined as "Sabbath," i.e. the 7th day (of a seven day period); the day of rest.

The 7th day was established for ALL of mankind back on the 7th Day of Creation ( Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Exodus 34:21, etc. etc.) and was never abolished.

( Mark 2:27-28) "And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath."

If we believe in the Father and His only begotten Son, then we have Christ in us every day, not just one day per week.

This new understanding is an enhancement of the 7th day, not the abolishing of it. It was made to last forever. This is a day that God BLESSED and SANCTIFIED! Christ always honored the Sabbath. The Apostles kept the Sabbath; look at Acts 13:14, 27, 42, 44, Acts 16:13, etc.

Pentecost is a holy SABBATH day; i.e. a day of rest.

Many use the "first day of the week" spoken of in Acts 20:7, to change the Law of God, but this verse concerns the first Sabbath in reckoning the seven Sabbaths until Pentecost. (i.e. the first day of the Sabbath. Week = Sabbath.

In Acts 17:2 and Acts 18:4, Paul is continually feeding the people Scripture on the SABBATH.

Christ never abolished the Sabbath; neither did Paul.

God never said anything concerning that fact, and if He wanted that day changed, He would have made it abundantly clear.

Have you considered looking at the Dead Sea Scrolls?

The Book of Enoch, in particular, reveals a 364 day solar priestly calendar.

52 (weeks) x 7 = 364

Look at the first book of Enoch; specifically, ch. 72, and ch. 82 (column 27) are words concerning the ancient solar calendar.

Kim Burrow, Comments concerning the 7th day, Law, and Grace.

Concerning the Sabbath:

The Hebrew definition of the word "week," or "weeks," simply means "sevened."

The Greek definition is clear, as the word "week" is defined as "Sabbath," i.e. the 7th day (of a seven day period); the day of rest.

The 7th day was established for ALL of mankind back on the 7th Day of Creation ( Genesis 2:2, 3) and was never abolished.

( Mark 2:27-28) "And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath."

If we believe in the Father and His only begotten Son, then we have Christ in us every day, not just one day per week.

This new understanding is an enhancement of the 7th day, not the abolishment of it. It was made to last forever. This is a day that God BLESSES and SANCTIFIED! Christ always honored the Sabbath. The Apostles kept the Sabbath; look at Acts 13:14, 27, 42, 44, Acts 16:13, etc.

Pentecost is a holy SABBATH day; i.e. a day of rest.

The "first day of the week" spoken of in Acts 20:7, concerns the first Sabbath in reckoning the seven Sabbaths until Pentecost. (i.e. the first day of the Sabbath. Week = Sabbath.

In Acts 17:2 and Acts 18:4, Paul is continually feeding the people Scripture on the SABBATH. Christ never abolished the Sabbath; neither did Paul. God never said anything concerning that fact, and if He wanted that day changed He would have made it abundantly clear.

To pluck a few verses out of Scripture and declare a law of God to be null and void (especially with so much Scripture speaking contrary to what you are proposing) is playing fast and loose with His words.

*Look at the book of Enoch; specifically chapter 72 and 82 (column 27) concerning the ancient Enoch Solar priestly Calendar. A 364 day calendar (52 x 7)

Angeline, With respect to keeping the Sabbath, what were the requirements? What is your take on statements that seem to say it doesn't matter if you keep the Sabbath?

Mark 2:27

Then Jesus declared, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

Mark 7:19

because it does not enter his heart, but it goes into the stomach and then is eliminated." (Thus all foods are clean.)

Romans 14:3

For one person has faith to eat all things, while another, who is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not belittle the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted him.

Romans 14:5

One man regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes a special day does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God.

Romans 14:17

For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 4:10

But now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!

Colossians 2:20

If you have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its regulations: These will all perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings.



1 Timothy 4:3

They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

Hebrews 9:10

They consist only in food and drink and special washings--external regulations imposed until the time of reform.

Jesus already said exactly who he came for. Luke 19:10, Mark 2:17. He came for the lost and sinners. Who is lost and a sinner? Romans 3:23 - Everyone. So, Jesus came for everyone- that's exactly what the Bible says. Jesus gave a firm warning to those who try to deceive others by twisting or denying what Jesus said: Mark 8:38, 1 John 2:22-23.

Of course I looked at the verse before commenting on it. We are talking about supernatural changes to the Bible. Look it up and see for yourself. Here is one: Mark 2:22. Wine skins has been changed to bottles. New wine bursts old wine skins, not bottles.

Mark 2:27,28, Luke 4:16, Matt. 12:8, Exodus 20:8-11, Exodus 31:15-17, Exodus 35:2. From these texts The day of the Lord and the Lord day is the same. Even Jesus custom was to go into the synagogue on the Sabbath. As Christians we are to follow Christ example, obey His commandments.

The Sabbath Is the LORD"S day,not sunday.See Isaiah 58:12-14, Mark 2:27,28

Exodus 20:8 , Exodus 31:14-16 , Isaiah 56:2 , Isaiah 58:13 , Mathew 12:1-12 , Mark 2:27 , Luke 6:9 , Luke 13:10-16 ,

Mathew 12:8
Mark 2:28
Luke 6:5

Mark 2:24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful? 25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him? 26 - How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him? 27 -And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath I wasn't born for soap but soap is made foe me - so plain.

Galatians 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. - Matthew 12:1, Mark 2:23, Luke 6:1 And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.

No where does it say Joseph, the husband of Mary died. And if he did, No where does it say that Mary the mother of Jesus remarried. I think you all are getting your Mary's mixed up. The wedding? It does not say who is getting married. You people are changing the words of God. I'll pray for you.

Joe-There are 2 Mary s Mary and Mary called Magdalene, or Madeline. Mary was the wife of Cleophas and Mary Magdalene was Mary s sister. Mark 15:40, 15:47 tells the identity of the 2 Mary s.

Ann - I read John 19:25 by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. as being 3 women Jesus's mother named Mary, his mother's sister also named Mary, and Mary Magdalena. The wife of Cleophas is Jesus's aunt not Jesus's mother.

The real SABBATH is the day mentioned in the Bible, the seventh -day of the week, Saturday. The Sabbath is the fourth commandment , Ex. 20:8-11. In the NT Jesus taught that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. Mark 2:27,28. We follow Christ teaching, as it was His custom He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath. Luke 4:16. John 14:15, Ezekiel 20:12,16,20, Rev. 22:14

New wine bursts wine skins.That doesn't happen with bottles. What happened to the original wine skins.

Randall... The point... Jesus chose his brothers to be his apostles. Cleophas and Alphaeus are the same person: Mary the wife of Cleophas or Alphaeus, was the mother of James, Simon and Thaddeus, and Joseph. Matthew 13:55 ... and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

It's possible because there can be more than one person named Judas or Thadeus. Do you not know many people named George? There is also another person in the Bible named Jesus. Look it up. Just because there is one instance of a person named Judas doesn't mean every person named Judas is the same person.

You are correct to say the Sabbath was changed. It was not changed biblically, neither did Christ change the Sabbath to Sunday. No where in the Bible will you find the word Sunday. Exodus 20:8-11, Mark 2:27,28, Luke 4:16. If we are followers of Christ, we will follow His example that He set for us. John 14:14 If you love keep my commandments.

Joe ... The Word of God does not come out and say who these people are. Matthew, James and Judas Lebbaeus Thaddaeus are the sons of Alphaeus. Mark 2:14, Matthew 10:3 James and Judas are also The Lord s brothers. How can this be? These can only be both Jesus brothers and the sons of Alphaeus IF Mary married Alphaeus, who is Cleophas, which Mary DID! John 19:25

You may be correct, BUT please provide chapter and verse to support your points. Unless you can show me the scripture: I can only believe the scripture - nothing else.

Everyday cannot be the Sabbath, because God created the earth in six days and rested on the seventh-day. Gen.2:1-3, Mark 2:27-28, Luke 4:16. Matt. 12:8

James and John, Zebedee s sons, are always mentioned together. Mary and Jesus brothers sisters travel with Jesus. NO Joseph. John 2:12, Mark 3:31, Mark 6:3. Mary is the wife of Cleophas. John 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. Cleopas KNEW all about Jesus because he married Mary. Luke 24:18, 22, 24, 31