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Enoch was born through Cains history. He walked with God; one day God must've said, you come home with Me today. Enoch did not die. That's why people think he will be one of the Two Witnesses.

True and False.

There was an Enoch in Cain's Genealogy, yes, and there was an Enoch in Seth's Genealogy. They're were two different Enoch's. You'll notice how close Cain's genealogy matches up with Adam's Genealogy. This is done deceive to and is symbolic of not following the wrong line....

You'll notice Cain's bloodline in chapter 4. Many of Cain's offspring end in "Bal" Where else do we see Baal in the bible??

Which brings me back to the subject. The original poster ask if Cain was the offspring of Satan, not Adam. Since Cain is not in Adam's Genealogy, I would agree with his pastor's interpretation.

There's more scriptures on after the flood event. The demons actually rail on Satan for their loss. I may not have that til Saturday, because I have to take someone to the hospital; be their driver.

You can search 'inhabitants' and find some of them: the ones that are mentioned with satan.

You have a responsibility to search scriptures to make positive that your Pastor does not teach heresy.

I did my best, Lord Jesus. Please undertake this child, open his eyes to see Your Truth, and not someone else's.

You have no need that any man teach you, because if you are born again and received the Holy Spirit; He Is Your Teacher.

John 16

We are told over and over; Jesus said, FOLLOW ME.

As far as the bloodline of Cain, both him and Abel are listed in the generations of the heavens and the earth, and not with the generations of Adam, which, like you said, begins with Seth. Cain is given his own generational line. My pastor said that women can have twins from two different fathers and I checked it out and science says it can happen. That could explain an answer for Cain being the son of Satan and Abel being the son of Adam. I know that my family genealogy does not randomly put my two uncles in different genealogies because one is a murderer and the other was murdered. Why wouldn't they be listed under the generations of Adam like Seth is if they were Adam's children? And then Cain and Seth have two different generation lines. It makes sense to me only if they are two different seed lines, other wise what's the need?

Anyway, my pastor says that the reason Satan aimed his sights at the seduction of eve was two fold. It accomplished Adam to first partake in sin, getting him kicked out of eden, and then it disrupted the seed line that the Messiah would now need to come from, which is what Seth became.

My Pastor may be mistaken concerning all of this, but I think he is correct because I don't see how all the terminology relating to seduction, seed, birth pangs, separated genealogies, two fathers, and all other scripture relating to it points to something else or is because of eating forbidden fruit.

Plus, Jesus Christ is coming back looking for us to be chaste virgins. This can't be literal, so I think it relates to apostasy and idolatry which is the Spiritual version of being unfaithful to God, like adultery is for man and woman between each other. Do you see how it all seems to come full circle?

Plus if you look the giants survived the flood because it says "also after that" which as far as I see relates to being after the time of the flood of Noah. And I don't think a flood can kill angels. It was sent to get rid of the hybrid giants and evil man.

Mishael,

Thanks for your comments, questions and suggestions.

I believe that Abel brought a blood sacrifice because he was a "keeper of sheep" and Cain brought an offering "of the fruit of the ground" because he was a "tiller of the ground." The difference between the two offerings was that Abel brought his offering of the "firstlings of his flock, and of the fat thereof" while Cain's offering was common "fruit of the ground." Abel cared deeply about his offering to his Father and Cain cared less. I don't think blood sacrifice was set up by God for mankind for remission of sins at that time.

I think that Cain received a curse from God as a result of murdering Abel, not his disrespectful offering to God.

I am not sure if the thought that Eve and Adam were seduced by Satan is entirely an imagined thing because the NT says that Eve was beguiled, and that word in Greek means "wholly seduced." That means Adam was also, and the reason homosexuality began then also. And I guess the question might need to be asked is why Adam and Eve eating an apple would result in them being ashamed of their nakedness, or need clothes for covering their private parts, or separation of seed, or increasing birth pangs? To me, it seems to all add up and make sense.

If the tree of the knowledge of good and evil bringing forth literal fruit that is both good and evil, and this is all Satan has to work with, how hard would it be to resist him? It looks like Satan beguiles Eve with the subtle twisting of the words of God, and probably not a piece of fruit. That's just what seems to make sense to me.

It might be that Eve was tempted with the ability to "as gods" become closer to God, and this closeness would be a result of experiencing this thing called "evil" the her and Adam were unaware of. I believe that Satan was the most beautiful creature Eve had ever seen, and it made seduction easier.

Genesis 4:16-26

Is Cains' genealogy. It ends with Seths birth.

The bloodline of people that eventually would give birth to the Son of Man, Jesus; came through Seths branch of the Geneology.

Reading genealogies in the Bible truly tells a story that is often missed. Generally women were not recorded, unless their story intertwined with Jesus's story.

You can Google Charts of Abraham's genealogy ( which was made from the Bible); Jesus's, and others. They generally follow after the story of someone's life ends, in the Bible.

Enoch was born through Cains history. He walked with God; one day God must've said, you come home with Me today. Enoch did not die. That's why people think he will be one of the Two Witnesses.

I lean more towards, "The Law and the Prophets" of the Old Testament: which would be Moses and Elijah. But I could be wrong too. The whole world will see them on the Internet.

Mishael

That's why we have the first Commandment then the second commandment so don't love anyone more than God.

Because we didn't come from Cain but from Seth.

You need to get a Bible With center of page Reference Columns (tiny alphabet letters). It gives you additional information about each scripture that has one or more.

Abel brought a BLOOD sacrifice to God. (For without the shedding of blood there is no remission for sin).

Cain didn't think about that. He had PRIDE in his offering and felt that was good enough for God. He disrespected God. God rejected his offering and as a result Cain was cursed.

Cains response is to murder Abel.

Adam and Eve were married by God. God performed the first marriage. All Hebrew marriages after that were performed the same way.

Leaves were their idea of quick clothing. Adam knew they had sinned by eating the fruit. It has nothing to do with what someone imagined that Eve (a married woman) did with Satan. He tempted her with food and then power. The very same way he tried to tempt the Lord, Jesus Christ; after 40 days of fasting.

There is no scripture that says Eve and Satan had relations. Adam was heartbroken that Eve had eaten of the fruit and he took a bite because he loved her; he didn't want to be separated from her.

First thing God does is curse Satan. Then He prophesies a future day (at the cross) Genesis 3:15 about her seed: Jesus, bruising satans head.

Then came the prophesy that she and all women would suffer in childbirth.

Back to Cain: Jesus's bloodline DID NOT come through Cain. Eve had another son named SETH, with Adam. By all means go Google a genealogy chart on Jesus so you can see it with your eyes. His bloodline is in the Bible Also. Your Pastor was mistaken.

We, as Gods children bear a solemn responsibility to verify every scripture ourselves, from the KJV Bible...that the Pastor issued on the teaching. If we don't read scriptures slow, and look up all those Center Of Each Page Reference Columns; we may miss out on a gem of Truth.

Take another look at it and tell me what you think.

Mishael

After the flood, they were no more. They had no BODY to make babies with. Ever since then, they have had no fleshly body; big, little, giant, petite.

DEMONS are invisible. They gain illegal access to humans, who give that illegal access. But demons are invisible body cannot produce (can I say it?) fluids.

Unless you are discussing spiritual warfare ?? Why are you focusing on this? I'm curious.

Thanks for your responses,

My Pastor said that not only the fallen angels procreated with the daughters of Adam, but that the result of the act between Satan and Eve was Cain. This seems to make sense to me because God then separates the seed of Satan from the seed of Eve and pronounces issues with birth for Eve and all women after that. Why else would God talk about these things. And when God went to talk to Adam and Eve after they sinned, they wrapped fig leaves around their loins, not their mouth if they ate an apple. It seems to all fit.

They all died in the flood (drowned): The fallen angels that followed Satan.

They had no bodies any longer. That's when they became invisible. Ephesians 6.

They could get into unprotected, unrighteous humans; but they cannot procreate anymore.

Evil human beings can let their bodies be possessed by demons: as in witches.

Born again people can be Oppressed, but NOT possessed. The need prayer of agreement to be relieved.

Hi Mishael, just noticed your reply about Genesis 6 giants/Nephilim. If you don't think they're from angels and humans, then what do you think that verse means?

No....and no. Humans in heaven will be like the angels. There will be no marriage, dating or anything like that.

If you opt to stay on earth....it's going to be burned with fire (as in cleansed).

Our Christian walk is step by step - day by day.

There are many good comments by some folks here, so I won't say too much as it would probably be redundant.

I would like to suggest reading Psalm 73 with regards to our worldly enemies who we perceive as getting away with their sins.

"Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end." Psalms 73:17

Their end is eternal damnation.

Can angles and humans have children?

Are these children the giants of Genesis 6:2-4?

Sabboth is Saturday.

To FRED SCANLAN

Please remember that the sons of God have come for the pulling down of this world's 'Strongholds', religion being the strongest of them all ( 2 Cor. 10:4; Luke 11:21-23).

When it comes to the Medical Profession, please know that the believers live by faith, as the true and living God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob is their guide in all things. Remember how God took care of a host of 2m people for forty years. He fed them and provided them with water and other essentials. Even their shoes and garments didn't wear out. Also remember that out of the original group that crossed the Red Sea only Joshua & Caleb crossed the Jordan River. All the rest died in the wilderness, while only the new generation crossed the Jordan.

Rather than speaking from personal experience, we believe that the most effective way to be taught and to come to the understanding of 'The Chastening of the Lord' is by the Word of God itself

CHASTENING

Deut. 8:5

Job 5:17-19; 6:1-10; 23:10; 33:19

Psalms 6:1-10; 17:3; 30:1-12; 38:1-21; 94:12-14; 102:1-28; 116:1-19; 119:7,67,71

Proverbs 3:11

Isaiah 26:16

1 Cor. 11:32

Hebrews 12:5,6

James 1:12

1 Peter 1:7

Rev. 3:15-21

AFFLICTIONS

Psalms 34:19; 132:1

Isaiah 48:10

Acts 7:10; 20:23

2 Cor. 6:4

Col. 1:24

1 Thess 3:3

Hebrews 12:5-12

Rev. 3:18

SICKNESS AND HEALING

Exodus 15:26

Psalm 6:2

Isaiah 30:26

Jer. 30:17

Eze. 34:16

Hosea 6:1

Mal. 4:2

Matthew 10:8

Mark 2:17

Luke 5:31

James 5:15

1 Peter 2:24

Rev. 22:2

RELYING ON DOCTORS AND MEDICINE



2 Chr. 16:12,13

Job 13:4

Psalms 34:19; 108:12

Isaiah 30:1-3

Jer. 17:5-7,14

Hosea 5:13

Mark 5:25-29

Luke 8:43

MADE PERFECT THROUGH SUFFERING

Job 5:18; 23:10

Psalms 50:5; 119:67,71

Isaiah 48:10

Jer. 31:18

Hosea 5:15; 6:1

Romans 8:17

2 Cor. 4:17

Hebrews 2:10; 5:7-9; 12:10,11

1 Peter 4:1,12; 5:1,9,10

Rev. 3:19

Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

In His Service.

Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada

On 'BORN OF GOD' - 'BORN AGAIN

Most people on this website claim to be so-called Christians, but in truth are they followers of Jesus Christ or do they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Rev. 12:9)?. Most of them also claim to be so-called 'Born Again', which means 'Born of God', but are they, or is it a form of self-transformation ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15), while in truth they are wearing the wrong garment ( Psalm 6:8; Matthew 7:20-23; 9:16; 22:2-14; Mark 2:21; Luke 5:36)?

For answers to the above questions we invite you to peruse the earlier Comment below.

Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

In His Service.

Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada

Sandra,

Concerning the 7th Day.

Most people use Sunday because they can't shake customs and traditions.

You are following the Sabbath day requirement because you feel compelled to.

The 7th day was established for ALL of mankind back on the 7th Day of Creation ( Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Exodus 34:21, etc. etc.) and was never abolished.

( Mark 2:27-28) "And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath."

If we believe in the Father and His only begotten Son, then we have Christ in us every day, not just one day per week. This new understanding is an enhancement of the 7th day, not the abolishing of it. It was made to last forever.

This is a day that God BLESSED and SANCTIFIED! Christ always honored the Sabbath. The Apostles kept the Sabbath after the death of Christ; look at Acts 13:14, 27, 42, 44, Acts 16:13, etc.

Pentecost is a holy SABBATH day; i.e. a day of rest.

In Acts 17:2 and Acts 18:4, Paul is continually feeding the people Scripture on the SABBATH.

Christ never abolished the Sabbath.

God never said anything concerning that fact, and if He wanted that day changed, He would have made it abundantly clear.

Have you considered looking at the Dead Sea Scrolls?

The Book of Enoch, in particular, reveals a 364 day solar priestly calendar.

52 (weeks) x 7 = 364

The calendar begins after the Spring Equinox.

Look at the first book of Enoch; specifically, ch. 72, and ch. 82 (column 27) are words concerning the ancient solar calendar.

I agree we are not under obligation of the old jewish traditional laws of the old testament like the various sabbath feasts, sacrifices and rituals etc. But it is a gigantic stretch of the imagination to apply this also to cancel the 4th commandment. Only Jesus or God can cancel one of the commandments. The commandments were written in stone, and will stand forever. God did not put the old Jewish ceremonial laws in stone - big difference.

God's law is the 10 commandments.

Luke 16:17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Jesus observed the Saturday sabbath while here on earth. Yes, he performed many things to heal and help others on the Sabbath. In doing so he was teaching all of us that we are to help others on the sabbath. When Jesus was accused of breaking the sabbath he instructed that certain things could be performed on this day. He DID NOT say to his accusers that the sabbath is no longer effective. To the contrary, he acknowledged it!

Mark 2: 27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Why would Jesus say that he is Lord of the Sabbath if there is no longer a Sabbath?

I'm not willing to follow the crowd today - that think there are only 9 commandments.

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in there at: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

God Bless.

Hi Sandra,

The best possible way to have a better understanding about which day is the right one and why most people go to church on Sunday, is to go back to the book of Daniel. Understand the kingdoms of Babylon, Medo Persia, Greece, Rome and how the activities of the "little horn" that has a mouth and eyes and speaking blasphemy against the Most High.

What is blasphemy? Mark 2:7 "Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?"

The little horn according to Daniel 7:25 - "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."

According to Exodus 20, the 4 commandment "Remember to keep the seventh day holy..." Exodus 20:8-11. The commandment has not changed, even Paul solidifies the same in the new testament, "we establish the law" Romans 3:31.

The little horn has usurped the prerogatives of God and in doing so he established his day, Sunday, as the day of his authority. The last day deception will be about the day of worship. Those who love God, & His law, will choose Saturday Sabbath as the day of His authority, but those who choose the devil's representative here on earth (the anti Christ) will choose Sunday sabbath (as they call it) as the day of his authority. It all boils down to in whom we rest (sabatismos), come what may. Even at the risk of losing our lives we trust the One who is able to resurrect us from death, Matthew 10:39

I think the Lord is saying during these times is to work and fear not for he will be with you, as in chapter 2:4-5. The Lord is calling his people to be holy, 2:13-14 Then said Haggai, If one that is unclean by a dead body touch any of these , shall it be unclean? And the priests answered and said, It shall be unclean. (I believe he is speaking of fornications) Then answered Haggai, and said, So is this people, and so is this nation before me, says the Lord; and so is every work of their hands; and that which they offer there is unclean. No matter how much a person goes to church if they do not get their hearts right, that which they offer there will be unclean. In Matthew 15:19 For out of the HEART proceed EVIL thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. ***( Jesus said these are evil thoughts)*** Jesus said in Matthew 15:17-18 Do you not yet understand, that what so ever entered in at the mouth, goes into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things that which proceed out of the mouth come fourth from the HEART: and they defile the man. Matthew 9:3-4 And, behold, certain of the Scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth. And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, wherefore think ye EVIL in your HEARTS. Once again in Mark 2:6-8 But there were certain scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their HEARTS. Why does this man speak blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God only? And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said to them, Why reason these things in your HEARTS? Mark 3:4-5 And he said to them is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath days or to do EVIL. But they held their peace. And when he looked round about him with ANGER, BEING GRIEVED FOR THE HARDNESS OF THEIR HEARTS, he said to the man stretch fourth your hand. and he stretched it out, and his hand was restored whole as the other. READ PROVERBS 4:23 about the heart, I hope this helps someone.

Dear Dan,

I'm replying to your comment on the sabbath. While I agree that it would seem strange to follow only 9 of the 10 commandments, Jesus did treat the commandment about the sabbath differently than the others and there is scripture evidence that suggests the sabbath is not equal to the other commandments.

The reason is Jesus was accused of breaking the sabbath himself! If he were alive today and you saw Jesus heal someone or do some 'work', would you accuse and judge Him of it? That's what the Pharisees did and Jesus rebuked them. So, Jesus made a clear point that it's ok to do good work on the sabbath. Mark 2:27. There are also interesting verses like Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14:5. This shows the original reason Israelites needed to observe the Sabbath: Deuteronomy 5:15.

So, did Jesus fulfill the sabbath or did he not?

Praise and worship are key in Old Testament wars. Read over in Chronicles about King David. That's how we do it. The Holy Spirit is ready to bestow His gifts, for ministry. You have to pray, ask, And receive. Then study what that gift is for. Again.. read your Bible. Get a Strongs Concordance. It's faster.

This is living Church outside the walls guys; gals. Our government is going to try to distract us by removing our statues (to demoralize us.) They are going to persecute the church for being resistant to gay agendas, abortion agendas, racial agendas, co-Ed school agendas: they have all these strategies to divide us and keep us in little boxes.

These days are truly the last days. Our target is to pray to the Lord of the Harvest to send Workers into that Harvest, to COMPEL the unsaved to come to Jesus now. Before it's to late. This door of opportunity will be closed by the Rapture (caught up into the clouds). Don't get hung up on rapture not being a Bible word.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Is the correct name to Google. 2 Peter 3:12, BE LOOKING FOR JESUS. Stop arguing about this, ok?

If you aren't looking up for Jesus, then you my friend are a Sadducee. They didn't believe in the Resurrection so they are "sad you see"... awaiting hell.

Read the Gospels and memorize how Jesus taught his disciples. Google the stories of people that are evangelizing in beautiful orderly crowds; witnessing to people they meet.

Be encouraged. You are truly seeing God do something new. If you don't sense that trumpet call in your spirit? Maybe turn off the tv and really start seeking Jesus's direction for you. If your mind feels kinda cloudy when you read the Bible, it may be hindering and harassing demons spirits. Bind them and cast them into outer darkness, in Jesus name. Keep it up till they give up and move on to something easier.

We win! Jesus is with us. He will protect us with angelic protection. Don't focus on anything other than JESUS.

Mishael

Everyone read up on Jesus's last week before the Cross. That's where we are.

The "Religious" scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees, and leftover Zealots were intent on wiping out Jesus's teachings, he Himself, and protecting "their" fine Temple with all its wealth and artifacts, etc. intolerant of anything Jesus said about it being torn down. We're the same spirit. We argue continually about deep doctrinal issues that don't tell others a reason to be born again and follow Jesus.

We are looking at a massive move into APOSTASY at this very moment. People need to be born again and Delivered from demons that hold them back from understanding how to live born again until Jesus returns! Does anyone in here know how to sniff out demon Fruits and cast them out in Jesus name and send them into outer darkness? Ephesians 6. Demons are invisible; only their fruits give them up.

Have you ever gone to church and sat in on a Deliverance Service? Where people pray for the oppressed of demons, to be set gloriously free??

There's MAINTENANCE to be taught on how to keep yourself free from demonic reappearances. If they don't furnish the fleshly body that Houses the spiritual man inside, demons will try to get their old house back. People have to be so full of Bible that no demon will stick a claw back into that place. Maintain! Every time a swear word flies out of your mouth or you watch sensual themes on tv, that's a demon trying to reclaim you! Turn it off and read your Bible.



If you want to know what Satan's next strategy is against the Body of Christ, turn on the news!!

Where's the Watchmen? Where's the Gap Standers? The intercessor prayer teams? People with the gift of prophesy from the Holy Spirit who is our captain on earth? Where are those with the gift of a Word of Wisdom? We need all of the Holy Spirits gifts working together right now in the Body of Christ Jesus. We need our Praise and Worship teams in their Places!

Mishael

It helps me to hear you say this. I miss Billy too. I still encourage myself on his sermons on youtube. Friday I saw a story on the news; how the young Christians in Portland were taking evangelism out into the streets. They see that Jesus is the answer for the violence and frustration.

They're not protesting. They're lifting up Jesus. We have to intercede for them. Jesus is doing something new.

I would love to see that happening in here too. Pastors need to see the real hunger for living the Church out in the streets.

They have questions that require useful answers. Not miles upon miles of church history. Not Splitting hairs on which way is the right way, the right Bible, the right spin on doctrine. They are crying out to just know the real Jesus and what he did and taught for 3 years!!

This is the final push. We're living the last days of Jesus's life on earth.

Our government=the Pharisees and Sadducees are closing our churches, forbidding us to sing; planning to take away our tax exempt status away. Churches in Europe are being Closed and sold off to become restaurants or play lands.

I thought it was evil exploding. I cried out, why is this happening?!? And then, maybe it was a light....God is in on this. He's closing our hideaways and refuges of wood and stone. We will see something new every day! Satan is taking it to the streets; and God is urging us to do also but to do it with praise, worship, witnessing His Love right on a public sidewalk. Lifting up Jesus. I do not think we need to go near to what the rioting, burning, vandalizing crowds are doing!!

I see this move of the Lord beginning in the highways and byways, smaller towns, and moving ever closer to the cities that are taken over by 'zealots' who are using BLM's banner to perpetuate their real agendas. Destruction, Hatred and chaos ARE ALWAYS THE FRUIT OF SATAN.

We cannot be a part of that!! Lift up Jesus and He will draw people to Himself. This is like Jericho sorta.

The first words to simon and Andrew were to follow me and I will make you fishers of men! Fishermen of men! This is the message that indeed, as you say is not being spoken. Christ is the way . Why are repeating Christs words so difficult? Why is the church not inviting people to be baptised and saved, no more alter calls. Not unlike Pastor Billy Graham! Baptism should be like when John Baptised Jesus in the Jordan river. People should be called like never before! Pastors ,deacons, elders, young and old should be shouting out the name of Jesus! Jesus always said, never be afraid! Preach the gospel, in and out of season, always! The marriage is ready! call everyone from the hi ways and byways. Indeed his kingdom is at hand,Jesus wants all men to be saved. The marriage is ready! The church today is stuck! Stuck with their idea that perhaps there is another way of salvation, a salvation based on works! Perhaps it thinks its vial doesn't need to be full, that it can share its oil with another mans idea, and still be ready when Christ arrives? Based on an idea that there is something else that needs to be done! We need to exalt Christ, our redeemer from sin and eternal death. There is salvation in none other ,but the blood of Jesus Christ!