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In Mark 2 :27, Jesus said " the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabath"

What does this mean ?

Can this be te justification for Sunday fellowship ?

Some preach fasting as a command because Jesus said "when, thou fastest" Matthew 6:16-21,

Sometimes people & Church congregations fast for closeness with GOD, to feel HIS presence, & clarity on direction from GOD: Matthew 9:15, Mark 2:19,20, Luke 5:34,35, Ezra 8:21,23, Nehemiah 1:4, Nehemiah 1, (in context.), Daniel 9:2-3, 2Corinthians 6:4,5

Fasting & prayer to help deliver people from sin, addiction, mental illness, demonic oppression, Matthew 17:21, (context) Matthew 17:14-21, Mark 9:17-29,

1Samuel 7:3

1Corinthians 7:3-5,

Fasting for deliverance: 2Chronicles 20:1-30, Esther 4:3,16, in context: Esther 3:8-15, - Esther 4, Daniel 6:12-23, Joel 1:14, Joel 2:12,

Fasting in repentance, sometimes even after GOD's judgement : 1Samuel 7:2-17, 2Samuel 12:7-23, (do you think it was easier to except it because he was fasting? While others were perplexed?) 1Kings 21, note 1Kings 21:27-29, Jonah 3:5-10, Joel 2:15,

Also Isaiah 58,

Jesus fasted an extreme fast: Matthew 4:2,

When it says in: Matthew 10:8, Luke 10:9, Mark 16:17-18, can we do these things without fasting?

I believe there are too many scriptures about power in fasting, direction, deliverance & repentance to think lightly of.

Fasting is submission, Romans 13:7, Luke 20:25, Matthew 17:25-26,

Hopefully these are helpful

Bro Alex,

I agree with you that every day should be Holy to Christians, and we should try to walk with Christ each day of our lives.

Please keep in mind that the Sabbath is a GIFT that God gave mankind to show us that he loves us and cares for us. The 7th day Sabbath is primarily for mankind to rest our MIND and BODY, and to reflect on our blessings and have the time to really give thanks, without all of the worldly disruptions. It's a special day, to take a much needed break from our work, and the stress of living in this hectic world. God created us, and he knows our body and mind better than anyone - He created us. You can trust Him!

Mark 2:27

"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:"

GOD ordained that the Sabbath should be a blessing, and not a burden! I don't understand why so many Christian's today take this Commandment to be a burden.

Hebrews 4:9

"There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."

Hebrews 4:10

"For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."

So, God gave his people (Christian's a time to rest) a gift, that we should accept and use. This Sabbath is a gift from GOD, and not dissimilar to the gift that God gave us for Salvation. Why would Christian's accept "the gift of salvation" but not "the gift of the 7th Day Sabbath??? Both come directly from God!

God Bless.

Continued Hebrews 4

The Moral law contains the Love and legal code God has for His Universe and beloved children. It is;

Written in stone by God's own finger - Exodus 31:18, Deuteronomy 4:12-13, 9:10

Has always existed & will be kept throughout eternity and throughout all the universe - Psalm 111:7,8, Romans 5:19 refers to Adam sinning in the Garden of Eden

Jesus said He did not come to destroy it but to fulfil it - Matt 5:17 - 19

Jesus said 'If you love me keep my commandments' John 14:15 and that 'He is the Lord of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28 - yet never mentions it being dissolved or changed

God's people are commanded to keep the Commandments of God for all eternity & God's people are identified by it because they keep it out of love to God and by faith - Exodus 19:5, Ecclesiastes 12:13,14, Psalm 111:7,8, Revelation 14:12, 12:17

Lives in the heart of God's children - Psalms 40:8

We are judged by them - James 2:12

Blessed with access to the Tree of Life if you keep them by faith - Revelation 22:14

In reply to Chris and Giannis

Remember the Sabbath, and keep it holy is the 4th Commandment of God?

Gen 2:2-3- And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The Sabbath was a Commandment before Mt Sinai and was kept and taught by Noah, Abraham, Moses and Israel, EVEN before the finger of God wrote the 10 Commandments. Gods Commandments are just that, Commandments not Recommendations. As for Col 2:16, notice it says'Sabbath Days" plural. This relates to all the Sabbath Days celebrated that no longer have any significance to God, that is why the Law of Moses was nailed to the cross, not Gods 4th Commandment. Throughout Gods Word He speaks about keeping His Commandments, this includes the 4th Commandment.

Fourth Commandment: Jesus set the example for us of keeping the seventh-day Sabbath ( Luke 4:16), as did the apostle Paul ( Acts 17:2). After Jesus' death, the author of the book of Hebrews confirmed that worshipping on this day continues to be expected of Christians ( Hebrews 4:9).

Jesus said " The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath

Mark 2:27,28

Matt 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

God bless

You're not off base but as Christians we can't shun the sinner. It's contrary to everything Christ Jesus preached and died for.

Mark 2:17,: When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

If our communication and outreach is only to the righteous (the brethren)...who's going to win the lost? I understand your frustration as persecution is part of our daily walk. But, if I think the unsaved have no right to eternal life...then how was I born again. Someone saw me as religious but unsaved and they shared the Word with me to Salvation. I was profane, I was a drunkard, I abused drugs, I cursed the things of God when I was unsaved.

Ask yourself, the what is the great commission and what am I doing to win the lost by shutting them out?

Mark 2 - the Sabbath

21 No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.

22 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.

23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.

24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?

25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?

26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?

27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Strict observance of laws and ordinances are not as important to the Lord as seeking and serving God with all your heart. In fact, many detailed Jewish laws do not even pertain to the Church, which is seen by Jesus' reference to not putting new wine into old bottles.

1. The text of the NKJV is copyrighted by Thomas Nelson Publishers, while there is no copyright today on the text of the KJV. If your KJV has maps or notes, then it may have a copyright, but the text itself does not.

2. There's nothing "new" about the NKJV logo. First edition prints have the pagan trinity which was used in the ancient Egyptian mysteries. It was also used by Satanist Aleister Crowley around the turn of this century. The symbol can be seen on the New King James Bible, on certain rock albums (like Led Zeppelin's), or you can see it on the cover of such New Age books as The Aquarian Conspiracy. (See Riplinger's tract on the NKJV.)

3. It is estimated that the NKJV makes over 100,000 translation changes, which comes to over eighty changes per page and about three changes per verse! A great number of these changes bring the NKJV in line with the readings of such Alexandrian perversions as the NIV and the RSV. Where changes are not made in the text, subtle footnotes often give credence to the Westcott and Hort Greek Text.

4. While passing off as being true to the Textus Receptus, the NKJV IGNORES the Receptus over 1,200 times.

5. In the NKJV, there are 22 omissions of "hell", 23 omissions of "blood", 44 omissions of "repent", 50 omissions of "heaven", 51 omissions of "God", and 66 omissions of "Lord". The terms "devils", "damnation", "JEHOVAH", and "new testament" are completely omitted.

6. The NKJV demotes the Lord Jesus Christ. In John 1:3, the KJV says that all things were made "by" Jesus Christ, but in the NKJV, all things were just made "through" Him. The word "Servant" replaces "Son" in Acts 3:13 and 3:26. "Servant" replaces "child" in Acts 4:27 and 4:30. The word "Jesus" is omitted from Mark 2:15, Hebrews 4:8, and Acts 7:45.

7. The NKJV confuses people about salvation. In Hebrews 10:14 it replaces "are sanctified" with "are being sanctified", and it replaces "are saved" with "are being saved" in I Corinthians 1:18 and II Corinthians 2:15.

Additional scripture for you:

Matthew 3-7, Matthew 5, Matthew 5:20, Matthew 9:10-13, Matthew 9:14-17, Matthew 9:27-34, Matthew 12:14, Matthew 12, Matthew 15, Matthew 16, Matthew 16:6,12, Matthew 19:3, * Matthew 21, Matthew 22, Matthew 22:15, it appears they were wrongfully referring to the book of Tobet, in 1611 version, Tobit 3:7,8, Matthew 22:29,

* Matthew 23:2, whole chapter Matthew 23, Matthew 27:62,

Matthew 23:13,14,

Mark 2:16, Mark 2, Mark 3:1-6, Mark 7:1-23, Mark 8:11,15, Mark 10:2, Mark 12:13,

Luke 5:17-39, Luke 6:2-11, Luke 7:29-50, Luke 11:37-54, Luke 12:1, Luke 12:31, Luke 14:1-24, Luke 14, Luke 16:14-31, Luke 16, Luke 19:35-39,

John 1:19-34, John 3:1-21, John 7:28-32, John 7:43-53, John 8:3-22, John 9, John 9:15,16, John 11:37-57, John 12:19, John 12:42, John 18:3,

Acts 15, Acts 23,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study, I included several Chapters to read next to verses, to read within context, for better understanding

I see that both of your questions are about firstborn. I was always under the assumption that it was the firstborn child of mothers who were still giving birth (in other words just children) that died; of human and animal offspring. I suppose that could be conjecture on my part. Pharoah was kind of the last standout in a way; it doesn't appear that in the Exodus he personally went all the way out into the Red Sea and perished with the rest of his army.

As to the second question; you will find that repeated with Jacob and Esau as well. I am not aware of a firstborn son having a scriptural demand; but a cultural one as to obtaining the greatest blessings. Apparently Reuben and Manasseh had the same thing happen to them. God did a lot to turn things around from what was accepted as tradition; He looks on the hearts of men not outward appearances. He brings blessings and curses in regard to many things such as childbirth; results of war; food resources and other things based on obedience or disobedience. He has used women to prophesy in Judges (in that case to demonstrate that the victor in Sisera would be a woman) and Deborah and other women to prophesy and praise God. He has used children such as Samuel to rebuke the evil house of Eli and his sons (which God asked him to do the FIRST time he heard His voice audibly). He has used a donkey to rebuke a madman prophet Baalam who was able to see an angel of God which the man couldn't detect. He chose a sheepherder to be the King of Israel; the last of all the sons who his father had to be prompted to appear. And the ceremonial laws were preempted by the Divinity of Christ; who is the "Lord of the Sabbath" ( Mark 2:27-28). God is not a respecter of persons ( Romans 2:11). There is even a verse where women who didn't have male relatives asked for part of the inheritance ( Numbers 27:2-7). And one where those who ridiculed Moses Ethiopian wife were dealt with ( Numbers 12:1). Bible culture shock!

No Un-Repented Sins Are Forgiven.

We Must Repent / Turn From All of our wicked ways.

Matt.4:17 / Mark 2:17 / Luke 10:13

This morning I thought more on Lazarus & the parable of Lazarus, in thinking about it: maybe the parable/story was also about how the "Rich" in scriptural knowledge, not sharing or helping while Lazarus had "wounds the dogs would._." alone in his suffering, while the other had historical words of hope, healing, redemption, deliverance.

Just thinking: even though Lazarus in real life may not have been financially poor, his sister had been tormented by 7 demons, in front of the ' religious ' for they judged her openly, Lazarus who dwelt with his sister/s suffered.

Jesus walks in, delivers, redeems, forgives, restores & teaches GOD's words. Mark 16:9, Luke 5:17, Luke 5:29-32, Mark 2:14-17, Matthew 9:10-13, Luke 8:2, Mark 16:9,

John 11:2, John 12:1-11, Luke 7:36-50, Luke 8:2, believing Mary to be Mary Madgelene, & reading John 11:2, (as the only time Jesus feet were anointed with oil, & wiped by a Mary's hair)

Luke 16, interestingly in the Parable/story the "rich" man cried "Father Abraham, have mercy._.._" & "if they hear not Moses an the Prophets._."

John 11, & John 12,

He became our righteousness ( 1 Cor. 1:30). I would state that perfect fulfillment was completed at that point. Christ lived His whole life as the perfect Man; in obedience and submission to His parents; partaking in the synagogue activities expected of a rightous Jew at that time. He showed through His actions and scripture that mercy should accompany activities on the Sabbath; and since He was Lord of the Sabbath certain ceremonial rites could be bypassed by both Him and His disciples. The law itself and its standards still are in effect; although it is in society for the unrighteous. We are given the new standards as to how to behave with our motives; as Christ preached regarding lust and anger. Ephesians 2:15 is interesting in that Christ abolished the law; so to speak as far as us receiving the due wages of sin; that is eternal death.

It is interesting that at the time: Christ said the weightier matters were to be looked after; with the rest NOT being undone ( Luke 11:42). It was not yet time to abandon Judaism until the work on the cross was accomplished. In fact; until heaven and earth go away not one "jot or tittle" of the law will expire ( Matthew 5:18). This; clearly refers to all things EXCEPT that which the New Covenant ( Heb. 9:15; etal) abrogates. That is; exceptions are ceremonial laws ( Acts 10:14-16) and the Sabbath Day ( Mark 2:27-28). It appears that because of Christ fulfilling Pentacost; or the eight day ( Leviticus 23:15) fifty days after the Passover; or Good Friday when Christ was in the tomb made Sunday the new day of rest. The early church appeared to meet the first day of the week.

Therefore; we should love the law as admonished in Psalm 119. Only through Christ can we do good works ( Eph 2:10). Only by fulfilling the first couple commands as summarized by Christ can we desire His ways and demonstrate any love towards what is against our flesh nature. May we daily trust the Spirit and die to the flesh. Agape. RP

Mark 2:27 "And He (Jesus) said unto them, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath:" 28 "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

Jesus became our sabbath. The word sabbath taken back to it's prime (Strong's concordance 7676 from 7673)in the Hebrew means 'to rest.'

Jesus speaking in Matt 11:28 "Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." 29 "Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls." 30 For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light."

When we stay in the Word and walk in His light we keep the sabbath daily which gives us restful peace knowing the world has no power over us as we wear the armour of God.

Hello, I'd like to offer a counter position. That's great that you're convinced that Christians aren't bound to observe the Sabbath, but is God convinced? He deliberately wrote "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy" as the 4th of the 10 commandments and the Sabbath is Saturday. We should honor God everyday, but the Bible absolutely does say to make Sabbath (Saturday) a holy day. And if someone doesn't think the ten commandments apply, then what else doesn't apply and how do you choose what applies exactly.

6th commandment says do not kill, but I don't hear anyone trying to reverse that command.

Mark 2:27-28 - Sabbath made for man

Mark 3:4 - its ok to do good on the Sabbath

Colossians 2:16 - don't let others judge you

Matthew 5:17 - law not abolished, but fulfilled. (some still interpret this as abolished, although it just said it wasn't.)

These verses seem to clarify the intent of the Sabbath, but I don't see any verses saying to disregard the Sabbath completely and do not remember it or keep it holy. Those who apply the law is fulfilled to it would also need to apply it equally to do not kill and other commands, but I doubt that God thinks its ok to kill. God bless.

Jesus Christ is God:

Deity is the only explanation for all that He was and all that He did.

(1) He was pre-existent with the Father. "The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made" ( John 1:2, 3, KJV). (Also see John 17:5 and Colossians 1:17.)

(2) He is the Son of God.

His enemies admitted: "He...said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God" ( John 5:18, KJV).

Peter confessed: "And we believe and are sure that thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" ( John 6:69, KJV).

Jesus affirmed: "I and my Father are one" ( John 10:30, NIV).

(3) He was sinless, as only God can be.

Jesus challenged His enemies: "Which of you convinceth me of sin?" ( John 8:46, KJV).

Peter testified: "...Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth" ( 1 Peter 2:21, 22, KJV).

Paul stated: "For he...made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him" ( 2 Corinthians 5:21, KJV).

(4) He forgives sin, as only God can.

The Scribes said: "Who can forgive sins but God only?" ( Mark 2:7, KJV).

Jesus said: "But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins..." ( Matthew 9:6, KJV). (Also see John 8:11.)

Peter wrote: "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed" ( 1 Peter 2:24, KJV).

(5) He performed miraculous works.

He healed the sick: Matthew 8:9-13; Luke 4:31-44; 5:12-15; John 4:43 to 5:16; and other references.

He fed the hungry: John 6; Mark 8, etc.

He raised the dead: Luke 7:11-18; John 11:1-46.

Jesus Christ Became Man:

"And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us...full of grace and truth" ( John 1:14, KJV). (See also Philippians 2:7, 8.)

Hi Donna.

Thanks to Brother Chris I did some more research on why Jesus referred himself as the son of man in certain instances.

Part 1.

Jesus' favorite designation, in referring to Himself, was the "Son of Man." The Gospels record some seventy-eight times that Jesus used this title for Himself. For example, when He asked His disciples the question about His identity, He said,

Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am? ( Matthew 16:13).

Though the Bible does not define its exact meaning, the title "Son of Man" probably refers to the fact that Jesus was perfect humanity. He, as God, came down and lived among us as the perfect human being. By doing this, He fulfilled the Law of Moses and did what no other human being was able to do. By using this title, He is identifying with the people He had come to save.

It Is Connected With His Earthly Life

The title is connected with the earthly life of Jesus.

But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins - he said to the paralytic ( Mark 2:10).

Jesus said

So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath ( Mark 2:28).

Jesus also said.

And Jesus said to him, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head ( Matthew 8:20)

Jesus gave the reason for His coming to earth.

For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost ( Luke 19:10).

It Is Connected With His Sufferings

"Son of Man" is also connected with the sufferings of Jesus on behalf of humanity.

And he began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again ( Mark 8:31).

This Speaks Of His Exaltation And Rule

The title "Son of Man" also has to do with his exaltation and rule over humanity.

When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory ( Matthew 25:31).

Hi Bob. As Adam as written, the Word of God cannot be changed at will. And it does us well to look at the matter more closely for clarification.

You shared from Ruth 2:2. When we look at the word in the original language, Hebrew, we see the word, 'shibboleth', which generally means 'grain', but is translated as 'corn', which was the generic name given to all types of grain (wheat, barley, rye, etc.), as used in 'ye olde England'.

And as a side note that may be of interest to some, and as a Bible reader, you might be aware of that word, 'shibboleth'. We see it in Judges 12:1-6; the story is given about the escaping Ephraimites (the enemy) who were trying to avoid Jephthah's annihilation of that army. They were trying to sneak past Jephthah (Israel's Judge) but were found. So Jephthah, in trying to ascertain their bloodline, whether they were imposters, asked them to say the word 'shibboleth', but they weren't able to pronounce the word correctly & said 'sibboleth'. So for a rather insignificant 'corny' word, many lives were lost as they failed the test.

And the same meaning is seen in the NT, eg. Mark 2:23, where the word for 'corn' is 'stachus' (= heads of grain) in Greek & for 'cornfields', the word is 'sporimos' (field of grain). So we should appreciate that sometimes when we read a word in the Bible, we need to understand it in terms of, in which period was it written & how was it understood by those readers. To bring every word into today's usage sometimes can present us with problems that can only be overcome by going back to the original languages.

Mathew 12:1 (corn)

Mark 2:23 (corn)

Hi Kim,

You can go to church anytime. The Sabbath Day has always been the last day of the week - Saturday.

God gave us the Sabbath Day to rest our bodies and minds. We should also use the day to give thanks to our creator, and help others as Jesus showed us how to observe this day. God did not just give his Sabbath Day commandment to Israel - it was made for man - please see scripture below:

Mark 2:27

"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:"

Jesus said that the sabbath was made for man! All mankind!

God gave us the 10 commandments including the 4th to help us live our lives in a law abiding manner. His commandments are good and just!

Those that say we can ignore God's Commandments are ignoring much bible scripture, including all the commands from Jesus/God.

Read and believe!

We know from Job 1 that he was a righteous man who feared God (reverence, honor).

We see that Jobs kids liked to party. Job would go to church and offer burnt offerings for ALL of them (verse 5) continually; meaning every time they partied, Job went the next day to cover any sin.

Meanwhile, Satan had obtained permission to test Jobs trust in God and his faith. God had confidence in Job. He allowed it.

Between Eden and the Cross of Jesus's Crucifixion; Satan still had Adams Dominion, Power and Authority to use it. Jesus took it away from Satan later. Satan IS NOT HUMAN. He has no right to even be on earth.

So Satan is like a spy. He sees what we do and figures out our weak areas. He saw Job making sacrifices for his kids and suspected some doubt, fear, over-protection. He purposed to strip Job of everything he loved. He stirred up an F5 tornado and killed the kids, homes, meat animals, crops. All Job had left was a wife with a razor sharp tongue. Satan afflicted Job with skin disease and painful sores that weeped pus.

Satan does that stuff whenever he sees an opening in our faith. He sneaks around, uses familiar spirits to dig up dirt on us and our ancestors. He's evil. Family=familiar

Jobs wife tells him to curse God and die. His so-called friends drag his character and habits through the dirt he sits in.

At the end, God tells of His majesty, works, power and might. He OWNS storehouses of snow, hail & rain. Do we ever pray for rain in drought? pray for the snow to spread out over great distance so it's less dangerous? Ask for tornadoes to get away from your town? Pray for the hail to be tiny?

Jesus GAVE US Authority over Satan, evil spirits, weather, wicked politicians even. We have all that Adam lost. Jesus suffered greatly to give us the authority and the POWER OF THE NAME OF JESUS. We are told to BIND (arrest) the evil; we are to LOOSE the blessings, the healing, the finances, a better job, tell the weather to be still.

Hi Adrian. I believe that is correct in so far as, that sickness, pain & suffering come to all of us without exception, because we are a spiritually & morally fallen race. The moment we are born into the world with sin's nature having taken root & hold upon us, sin's course ultimately leads to death. And in that process of a gradual weakening & failing of our body's organs, we prove that in spite of any spiritual re-birth or discipline to holy living, ultimately the sin that grips our body will have the last word. I know that all this sounds very morbid but all of us are subject to the same end: that which is the outcome of sin ( Romans 6:23; James 1:15; Romans 5:12).

Yet, you might be thinking of a person's particular suffering or sickness (e.g. Job - which was a specific instance of God's Permission given to Satan to test Job's character & faithfulness; & maybe God stills allows this today- I can't tell). Yet we also know that God does discipline His child who wilfully continues in sin, not receiving correction ( Hebrews 12:5-11; Revelation 3:19; 1 Corinthians 11:32; Psalm 94:12,13). But His discipline comes in various ways & degrees of severity, as a father would mete out to his erring child. So the bottom line could be expressed as: if we were NOT sinners, living in all purity & holiness before God, there would be no physical sickness coming upon us, nor would there be need for any correction or discipline by God or man. But we should be cautious in trying to interpret every sickness or hardship being the result of some spiritual or moral failing - not always, but sometimes - each one will know in his heart from whence this comes.

John 9, here is an example of blindness where no-one had sinned. Hopefully this is helpful too

As it states,.. God took away his wall of protection, but job never quit , an he never lost faith, nor blamed or cursed God ,.. an in the end as we read God doubled all his blessings,.. hence, never quit , keep the faith,.. make that stand ,..

peace

With reference commentary in Mark 2, specifically the comment which says " sin is the cause of all our sickness and pains" I understand Job was an upright man yet still he suffered. I dont think all suffering is because of sin but I am kindly asking for someone to shed some light on this? Thanks

Hi Sister Donna,

Jesus tells us in scripture below that God made the sabbath for man:

Mark 2:27

"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:"

Jesus doesn't say the sabbath was made just for the Jews, or for just Israel. The scripture is plain - the sabbath was made for man!

Man can say anything to bend and twist the bible scripture. People ignore and twist bible scripture regularly - to fit their worldly lifestyles.

Read the bible scripture for yourself and believe it!

God Bless.

Hi Debbie Hendryx . Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. That means if you put your faith in him you have a constant Sabbath. The phrase "the Lord of the Sabbath" is found in Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, and Luke 6:5. In all three instances Jesus is referring to Himself as the Lord of the Sabbath or, as Mark records it, "The Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath" ( Mark 2:28).

So the Sabbath is still in effect, but it is only made perfect when we accept Jesus.

Genesis 2:2-3 , Ezekiel 46:1, Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2, Luke 4:16, Luke 4:31, Luke 6:1, Luke 13:10,

Isaiah 58:1-14, Exodus 20:8, Exodus 20:10-11,

Exodus 31:13,14,16, Leviticus 16:31, Leviticus 19:3, Leviticus 19:30, Leviticus 23:1-8, Leviticus 24:8, Leviticus 25:2, Leviticus 25:4, Leviticus 25:17, Jeremiah 17:19-27, Lamentations 1:1-7, Isaiah 1:11-17, Isaiah 56:1-8, Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 22:26,

Amos 8:4-8, Mark 2:27,

Matthew 12:8, Matthew 12:1-27, Mark 3:1-11, Luke 6:6-11, Luke 13:11-17, Luke 14:3-6, Luke 14:12-24, Luke 23:3-56, John 5:1-16, John 7:22-24,

Colossians 2:8-17,

James 2:1-26

It's always beneficial & stimulating to receive comments as yours, Modesto, reminding us that its only through the Gospel of God's Son, Jesus Christ, that Light has dawned into our hearts & released us from the clutches & deceptions of that wicked one. And truly, Satan has "blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." ( 2 Corinthians 4:4). But if they should, in faith, step out of that great darkness & get a glimmer of that pure holy Light, their hearts will be opened & that 'Light will shine in their hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.' (v6).

But even as Jesus said in Mark 2:17, "They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." Until the sinner knows that he is a sinner, away from God, destined for Hell, he has no need for "The Physician". The Lord calls these to come to Himself - the righteous (resting on their self-righteousness) don't receive the invitation; but when they realize that their "righteousnesses are as filthy rags", the Physician is ready, ever-waiting to smother them with His Love, healing balm & reception as His very Own. Thank you for your worthy thoughts.

Hi Brad, Classically thinking, repent is a turning away from one's rebellion to and unbelief in God towards seeking God for forgiveness of unbelief, rebellion, and all sin. So one who has repented in the biblical sense is one who has heard the gospel of Jesus and believed it as the answer for salvation of one's soul and trusting Jesus for all of this. As David said, If you confess with your mouth and believe in you heart that Jesus is LORD, you shall be saved. After one repents, confesses, and believes the gospel and in Jesus, the new believer will claim that Jesus is truly God who is the Savior and LORD (God and Sovereign over the person) to the person individually and personally in a new redeemed relationship with God, who is the Creator of All.

Bless you for asking. It is always good to rethink the basics of our faith and find the best words we can to relay the truth of Scriptures concerning salvation.