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Thank you sister GiGi! I think that's why Paul says to comfort one another with these words from Thessalonians. Or as Jesus says of our Heavenly Father - I am not the God of dead but the God of the living in Mark 12:27 !

For we shall not taste death or even see death! John 8:51 !

Praise Jesus for His Death, His Burial, and His Resurrection - and thank you again GiGi for your love!

"I AM, THAT I AM," If i had my Exhaustive Concordance I could try & tell you the Hebrew, Greek, etc. It may be significant that HE, GOD ALMIGHTY says Exodus 3:15,

Exodus 4:5, Genesis 26:24, John 8:39, Matthew 3:9, Luke 3:8, Mark 12:26, Matthew 22:32, Luke 20:37, Acts 7:32,

Galatians 3:6,

1 Corinthians 13:8

2 Timothy 3:16,17

Romans 15:4

"Hope these scripture help.

no competition when these

are not my words. God's word

is free for all."- From The Messenger

1TIMOTHY 2:8

Proverbs 27:11

Mark 12:33

That's a great verse, but others might believe Acts 2:38 or Mark 12:30-31 is actually the heart and soul of the Bible.

You chose to put emphasis on belief which even satan and demons may believe. But other verse emphasize your actions such as repentance, confession, baptism, faith, love, or obeying God.

A small percent of Christians believe it's impossible for them to ever lose their salvation, despite whatever future sins they choose to commit, but the Bible doesn't say that. We can have assurance of salvation IF we follow Jesus Christ. It assumes that Christians (Christ followers) are actually following Christ and obeying Him!

This seems like a no-brainer, but should be stated, because there are indeed many Christians using their hope in salvation as an excuse to sin- as if they have an unlimited hall pass or something, ignoring the fact that sin is highly disrespectful to God, like spitting on Him, and assuming you know better than Him, and turning your back on Him. Think of a selfish and stubborn 4-year old throwing a tantrum in front of his parent.

They're told they're saved in sermons and that the race is already won and so they go commit all kinds of sins and try to enjoy themselves as they turn their back on Jesus. Some may even blaspheme the holy spirit, which the Bible clearly says is an unforgivable sin. The Bible also says to fear God- fear the one who can send you to hell. God is a loving fair God, but some people falsely assume He's a genie in a lamp there to serve you. Nope, it's the opposite. You are the servant... to righteousness. Romans 6:18, John 14:15. I don't hear this message very often and feel it's my moral duty to remind of this and to try their best to genuinely follow Jesus and to stay on course and avoid sin. Some may need to hear this today and it might be a perspective they've never heard.

2 Peter 2:20-21

God bless. Jesus is coming soon. The time is now to be prepared.

Brother S Spencer, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

1 John 3:2 (NOT GODS) I assume this is because of my response to Chris.

I BELIEVE that everyone on this site is here because God has CAUSED them to be here.

I BELIEVE all on this site are seeking TRUTH and God has CAUSED them to be here for that TRUTH.

We just SHARE God's Words; it's the SPIRIT that reveals the TRUTH.

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and ONE SPIRIT.....

John 4:24 God is SPIRIT....

There is only ONE SPIRIT (GOD)

Christ was the Firstborn of that ONE SPIRIT, being born again of that ONE SPIRIT we are Joint Heirs with Christ.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the FORM of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

Mark 12:20 .... The Lord our God, is ONE LORD.

2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass (mirror) the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same IMAGE from glory to glory, even as by the (ONE) Spirit of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined into the Lord is ONE SPIRIT.

Ephesians 4:4....ONE SPIRIT....

John 4:24 God is SPIRIT

Joshua 22:22 The Lord God of gods, the Lord God of gods .....

John 10:34 Is it not written in you LAW, I said, ye are gods

Matthew 5:17 ....but to fulfil (the LAW).

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods, the children of the most high.

Psalms 136:2 O give thanks to the God of gods: for his mercy endureth forever.

Hi Steve. A wine vat would be the receptacle for wine storage, as in a wine barrel or jar/urn. Whereas a 'winefat', I understand is where the juice of the grapes collects beneath the winepress. However, this meaning is violated in Isaiah 63:2, where the person is said to 'tread IN the winefat'; one wouldn't put his feet into the juice, rather in the winepress to tread the grapes. It's possible that the translators didn't consider the correct application in this instance, as in Mark 12:1. The Hebrew for winefat in Isaiah 63:2, renders it as 'winepress'. Thanks for that interesting question.

When dealing with one particular audience during his earthly ministry, our Lord Jesus Christ answered a question about the greatest commandment. He said, "Thou shalt love LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment" ( Mark 12:30). This is not an option or suggestion. The authoritative (not authoritarian) Lord gave a commandment. It was to be done. He then added, "And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these" ( Mark 12:31).

AJAX on Mark 12:29 You are correct.

The term Trinity isn't in the Bible. Neither is the word Bible in the Bible. The word rapture isn't in the Bible, and neither is the word Saturday in the Bible.

Never-the-less, the teachings of the doctrine of the Trinity do exist in the Bible. I challenge you to do your own study. Then you can explain how the Holy Spirit lives in a born again believer, the Lord Jesus stands at the right hand of the throne of God, and God the Father sits on the throne; all at the same time.



And is still be considered as One Triune God according to Scripture. God bless you and us all as we learn more of our God, King, and soon coming Lord Jesus Christ.

Hi Rodney;

God bless all the discussion and questions on this forum. Much has been said regarding the Sabbath day and its significance in our lives as children of God. However it wasn't until Moses received the 10 commandments was the law given regarding the Sabbath.

In all of the Book of Genesis, there is no mention of the word Sabbath. My question is "What day did Adam and Eve worship on?" Did God only come into the garden on the Sabbath to walk and talk with Adam? If Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day, is it their 7th day or God's seventh day. And what would Adam and Eve be resting from?

Remember God rested on the seventh day because He completed all of "creation." The word rested means He stopped creating. Did the Lord God do more creating on the eight day to day 13? Did He rest again on the 14th day? In Genesis 26:5 Abraham kept God's requirements, commands, decrees and laws. The verse tells us that Abraham was obedient, but it simply doesn't tell us which statutes and decrees were in effect in his day.

The Sabbath is a reunion between Israel and God as it is said,"It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel for ever" Exodus 31:16, 17

No where does the Bible indicate that the Sabbath was given to anyone except the Jews. Exodus 16:28, 29

The choice is still your own. Praying that this helps us all as we await the return of the Lord in His glory.

Sources:

Holy Bible KJV 1611

"The Sabbath and the Ten" by Michael Morrison, Grace

Communion International,Article Archive, archive.gci.org

Jubilees2:31, James Charlesworth, editor, The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha(New York:Doubleday, 1985) vol 2,p.58

Midrash Exodus Rabbah25:11(Soncino edition,p314); ibid.,p.74.

The one True God, Yahweh is spelled with a capital G, not a lower case g. And furthermore, God exists is three persons as stated in 1 John 5:7 quotes, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Genesis 1:26, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Notice how the Triune God is mentioned several times by references plural pronouns such as us and our; describing the Trijne Godhead.

Mark 12:36-37 quotes, "For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly."

John 1-5 quotes, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 1:14 quotes, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

John 19:30 quotes, "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

John 15:26-27 quotes, "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning."

The Father, Yahweh is God, Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. They are the same person.

Just to clarify: Jesus was quoting Moses' words in Deuteronomy 6:4, when Moses continued to utter the commandments & instructions to Israel that he received directly from God.

Hello, what is your motive for posting that God is one God? Christians have known this all along, because the Bible has always said that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one, not two, not three, but one. Just like the pulp, skin, seeds of an orange is one orange, not three oranges. Some people have a hard time comprehending, so they make up stuff and try to discredit and slander Jesus, for example, which is unthinkable, but that of course it's based on a clever lie from satan.

Who is most likely to trick everyone into assuming Jesus isn't who people say He is: God, or satan? The father of lies is behind so much of the new age and regressive movements we see today trying to manipulate and deceive people into believing falsehoods. I hope you're not part of this group, but I mention it so everyone is on guard for the false prophets who sometimes even post on this website. People should really pray hard and do deep soul searching before trying to slander God in Bible website. The day of judgment is coming. Even those who believe they're saved regardless of their actions will still face judgment before going anywhere. Some will cry out Lord, Lord. Fight the good fight, run the race well to the end. God bless.

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Brother Freeman,

No, I have never seen one instance where Jesus sided with men against his Father. Can you explain in further detail?

God Bless

You did not read or understand the text .

Verse v29 " The Lord our God is one Lord "

Notice the word "our" glad to be of service . He did not say I'm God . That would be opposite.

I don't know where you got that but it is false. Matthew 36:-40.

Freeman,

I agree, the 1st, and 2nd commandments - are the greatest of all. Amen.

As Christians we also can't ignore the other eight.

John 14:21

"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

Mark12.29

The most important commandment ! May stun some . But Jesus knows ...

Dear Steve,

That is a heavy situation you have found yourself in. Thank you for sharing and I'm sorry you haven't received a timely response from others like maybe you were hoping for.

Proverbs 27:17 - this verse comes to mind as we often need support from each other and to get other perspectives, so I'm glad you have risked to share your story in hope to get new others' input.

I have prayed about this and I'd like to share my impression.

"my wife has become a victim of my sins"

I don't believe you caused your wife's condition. My mother had the same condition as do millions and it's already hard enough to deal with, but if we attempt to blame ourselves we only worsen an already unpleasant situation. We need to be loving and nurturing to ourselves so we have love left over to give to others. Mark 12:31. So, please don't blame yourself and instead be extra gentle with yourself and give yourself a break, that way you have more love to give others a break too. We all have limited days on earth and should make the most of it and focus on the good- especially in regards to relationships, helping others, using our gifts, etc.

"Are my prayers lost?"

God hears your prayers. It does take faith/belief and genuine motives. Mark 11:24. James 1. God bless you.

Greetings in Jesus' name, Chris.

Please forgive me not replying sooner, but I didn't see you had addressed your message to me due to the abbreviation.

A.

So concerning Isaiah 28:11-12. If this is not prophesying of the Holy Ghost as you claim; then why does Paul quote it in 1st Corinthians when speaking about the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues?

1 Corinthians 14:21-22

21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Jesus himself said that those who believe will speak in other tongues: Mark 16:17

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

B.

As per your claim that the apostles believed in a "trinity" of gods, that is heresy. Every Jew (including Jesus) was taught from an early age on that there is only one God in reciting the Shema ( Deut. 6:4) Jesus quoted it in Mark 12:29:

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The LORD our God is one LORD:

Paul (also raised as a devout Jew under Gamaliel) also understood this:

1 Timothy 2:5

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1 God + 1 man (in whom God dwelt - 2 Cor 5:19) does not = 3 "gods".

Research the pagan trinity of babylon (Nimrod, Semiramis & Tammuz) and how Constantine united pagans and "christians" @ the same time he was slaughtering Christians because they were just growing stronger the more he had them killed.

Numbers 23:19

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

God did not become a man. God is a Spirit ( John 4:24).

Jim,

In Mark 12:17, Jesus said render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.

They were trying to trap Jesus about paying taxes. Jesus asked who's image was on the coin. They said Caesar's.

So what was Jesus saying?

In Genesis 1:26, it says that God made man in His image. Do you see where this is going? Jesus is telling them if that is Caesar's money and he wants it, give it to him. It is worldly. It is part of his system, so give it to him.

But you are made in the image of God. Give Caesar his money, and give God what is due to Him.

I hope this helps!

No.

Ezekiel 27 & 28 describes the King of Tyre as making himself a "god" and was called a "cherub" and referenced "Eden, the garden of God" This Cherub was "perfect" in beauty, faultless in his ways from creation onward until unrighteousness was found in him. Ez 27:3, 28:12,15

Isaiah 42:12 Reference the God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Joseph, David, Josiah, Ezekiel, John the Baptist, Jesus, the Apostles, etc. This Almighty God of Israel is the creator of all living things. In Psalms 83:18 he is called Jehovah God.

If you look in one of the earliest King James Bible of 1611 you'll see that name. Most modern translations have removed that name and substituted it with Lord claiming since the original pronunciation was lost it makes sense to remove it as if the Almighty doesn't exist. Also the divine name Jehovah or Adhonai or Elohim in some translation appears in the Tetragrammaton close to 7000 times so removing the name removes the knowledge and understanding of the Almighty and creates confusion. He just wasn't a tribal God in Isaiah 54:5 it says "....He will be called the God of the whole earth." Psalm 124:8 Jehovah is called the maker of heaven and earth.

Jesus who was a Jew also recognized the God of Israel as being Jehovah or Yahweh. Remember the Jewish clergy during the time of Jesus wanted to bring charges against Jesus in order to put him to death for blashemy so any of worship or acknowledgement he gave to any other god would have given them this opportunity. Plus Genesis 17:1, Isaiah 45:18, Psalm 83:18 refers to Jehovah God being one God. Deuteronomy 6:4,5 also call Jehovah one Jehovah. This is in harmony with Mark 12:29, Romans 3:29-30, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:4-6, 1 Timothy 2:5 all these scriptures refer to one God.

For Jesus to believe in multiple gods or a triune god would be paramount to apostasy for a Jew and thus grounds for death. Also Roman Zeus was a triune god and existed during this time.

First, the verse, you are in question is Mark 12:30 if we think about what Jesus says it is really simple you have to love the Lord with all of yourself. If your mind is not focused on the Lord then the rest of yourself will wander. With all the false preaching and people following these false preachers you have to stay focused on the word and the Lord. The lord already knew what today would be like so he put mind so we would not be lead astray. Stay focused on the Lord study your bible and pray. I hope this helps any more questions please feel free to ask or reach me in my email. Thank you.

When the Jews were subject to the Romans, I believe they would have had the same question and this was Jesus answer to them at the time.

Mark 12:14 "And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?" 15 Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see [it]. 16 And they brought [it]. And he saith unto them, Whose [is] this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's. 17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Yes the effects of sin has left a crimson stain indeed

Paul wrote, there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:6 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:29

That's ok though. Let them. It's humility. Pride tells us not to but pride is the sin of Lucifer.

My comments about the parable of the sower and his seed as found in Mat. 13. That good seed is the living Word and God shows us the END RESULT of the Sower and his PRECIOUS SEED IN Rev 12. That Woman is the good ground THE WORLD where the good seed was sown .She was impregnated by the good Seed which is the Words of God thats y she has the substance of things hoped for the Evidence of things not seen (THE FETUS ) OF Christ which is the H.G. the Kingdom. She was in pains and Sorrows to be delivered of her Child the H.G. Even in the natural when a woman is pregnant she has the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen ( the fetus ) Thats what is gona happen to the Whole WORLD remember Jesus said the field was the WORLD where that good seed is gona be sown, in the hearts of humanity . Jeremiah saw the whole WORLD in travail and birth PAINS . Infact 27 times in the O.T. the prophets saw the world in travail and birth PAINS , Its gona happen after the Book is opened, we will all sing a new song about Christ and his precious seed the New Covenant. God is gonna put his words/LAWS in our hearts and minds MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO SIN AS THEM THAT ARE BORN OF GOD CANNOT SIN. REV 12 : 10 NOW IS COME SALVATION AND The KINGDOM OF OUR GOD AND THE POWER OF HIS CHRIST ( HER CHILD ) Yes there can be a fetus of Christ, my lil children of whom i travail in birth again till Christ is formed in you, the fetus is simply the H.G. that we feel moving in our hearts . That good seed is the living Word of God that he is gonna sow in our hearts and minds thus we are the WOMAN the Church that is gona have a baby Christ that CHILD OF PROMISE. Unless ya receive the Kingdom of GOD as a lil Child Jesus said. Thats y the Sower OF THE GOOD SEED wants to sow his seed in our hearts that we might be bornagain of an incorruptible seed EVEN BY THE WORDS OF GOD thus the manchild that is gona be born in us. Thats how the manchild will rule ALL NATIONS he is gona be born in ALL MEN GB

By all means Rodney. I would look forward to further discussion on this or related matters. Every blessing.

Hi Chris. I hope you dont mind me comparing verses with you as i believe it is crucial we get to the bottom of this .please let me knw if we may continue corresponding .reason being this is a process and a few random verses wont give us a clear understanding of who the true Creator is . Please advise .

Kind Regards

Rodney

Hi Rodney, I did post a reply to your similar request yesterday. Maybe you haven't seen it, or you might be looking for further comment from others. I do hope you get other views to help you with your enquiry.

Rather, than repeat what I wrote earlier, I would add here: that the early Church may have picked the First Day of the Week as the day to come together to worship the Lord in remembrance of their Saviour's resurrection on that day, as well as a show of further segregation from the Jewish Law. Of course, the Sabbath was being adhered to by the Jews, & indeed by Paul in his ministry to them (as in Acts 17:2). But it appears that believers no longer observed the Sabbath for worship (maybe it was still a day of rest though), but they came together on the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7), now being referred to as the Lord's Day ( Revelation 1:10).

In ministry in Pakistan, Friday is the Muslim's rest day & for a more dedicated worship & preaching in the mosque. As Christians, we had to fall in line with this day & so our corporate worship time in a Church Fellowship fell on a Friday. Some Churches still held a Sunday service, though that was not well attended, as most were required to work. So, any day that is selected can be used as a corporate day of worship, seeing that for the Christian, every day is alike to come before the Lord; but as ordered by the Lord, one day in the week still needs to be set aside as rest, for the health & recuperation of the mind & body. So I find it strange that an insistence for a Christian having to observe a Saturday Sabbath as necessary, as the Jews do, when that is not only meaningless for us but also demonstrates one placing himself back under the Law. I also wonder how well that believer observes the Sabbath: does he refrain from buying, or working in the garden, or dealing with an urgent repair job at home?

To your other question on observing the correct day of rest from the days of Adam & Eve, I wrote about this earlier.