Old Testament law: Deuteronomy 16:16, Exodus 34:23,24, Deuteronomy 31:11, Exodus 23:17, the dates of calendars have changed even the Hebrew / Jewish calendars. Moses through GOD established the beginning of the year to be the Passover, no calendar today honors that. Exodus 12:2, Exodus 12, Numbers 28:16,
Jesus honored these things, along with His parents (on earth) Luke 2:22,23, Luke 2:41-49, John 4:45, John 5:1, John 10:22,23, even those who opposed Jesus expected Jesus to honor the appointed days : John 11:54-57, John 12, Even facing His own brutal death: Matthew 20:17,18 , Mark 10:32,33,34 do you think HE knew He was the Lamb,: Luke 2:38, Luke 18:31, that was going to be slain for Passover? That's why HE told them, as HE obediently set his face to go? Luke 9:51,
Matthew 21
Micah 6:6-8,
John 4:21-24, 2Corinthians 6:2, 2Colossains 2:16,17, Hebrews 10:1-19, Matthew 18:20,
Genesis 2:7, interestingly here "formed, breathed life" is this symbolic of the Church the body of Christ to come? John 12:25, Genesis 3:22, John 5:26, John 5:24, John 3:36, John 6:48,54, Titus 1:2, Romans 8:6, John 5:39,
Is chapter 2, symbolic of the stewardship of GOD's Church? Genesis 2:15, Matthew 20:8, Luke 12:42, Mark 12,
Back to Genesis 1, "man appears to be collective for both" yes in name like human, humanity, humankind "man"
see even more interesting = Genesis 5:2,
GOD says distinctly female & male Genesis 1:27,
It appears it could be those created to multiply, fill the earth, subdue were away from the presence of GOD, again seeming to point to the symbolism in the garden "in the presence of GOD " His church. Genesis 3:8, Genesis 3:23-24, Genesis 4:14-16,
Genesis 2:17, spiritual death? Matthew 8:22, Luke 9:60, Matthew 22:32, Matthew 23:27,
In the forming of Eve, it appears also specific, spiritual & special with symbolism, Genesis 2:21-25, Genesis 6:1-3, Mark 10:4-9, 1Corinthians 6:15, Revelation 21:2,9, Isaiah 62:5, John 3:29-36, Matthew 22, Luke 12:36, Ephesians 5:30-32,
Jesus gave instruction, I'm not aware of scripture in the Psalms specified for that. But David who is accredited as author of many of the Psalms written in the Bible, was able to have an evil spirit leave Saul, by playing music. 1Samuel 16, however this seems different, because note: 1Samuel 16:14, 1Samuel 15, note 1Samuel 15:23,
Please read & study these:
Mark 1:34,39, Mark 3:14-15, Matthew 12:28, Luke 11:20, Mark 16:9, Matthew 8:16, Luke 4:14, Luke 8:2, Matthew 28:18-20,
Jude 1:2-10, note: Jude 1:9, Acts 19:13-17, Matthew 12:39-45, Luke 11:14-26,
Doug , you bring up a great point that almost no one teaches on , much less has a clue about. So you have provided a number of verses on "clouds" allow me to provide a few more that will open things up for you and all else who read this.
Psalms 104:3 " who maketh the clouds his chariot" .... that is the KEY to the clouds . A cloud or clouds plural are actually referencing his chariot and fleet of chariots in Psalms 68:17 "The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels:
the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place." 20,000 chariots would be a flying fleet of aircraft/spacecraft, as he comes down from heaven and maneuvers through the skies of earth. Look at Isaiah 66:15 "For behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his CHARIOTS....." this is at the second coming ! This clearly ties in with the armies in heaven which follow him in Revelation 19:14
That should open things up a little for you. A detailed study of the Mt of Transfiguration where a cloud comes with the Father in it bringing Moses and Elijah.... "and they feared (the disciples) as they (Moses and Elijah) ENTERED INTO THE CLOUD".. Like 9:34. Yeah, I bet they did. First off, Moses was resurrected - Jude 1:9. Elijah went up in a chariot in 2 Kings 2. They then return in one of these Cloud-Chariots with the Father to talk to Jesus before his death. This fulfills the prophecy Jesus gave the week before about some standing here not tasting death till they see the kingdom of God .... Matthew 16 end - Matthew 17:1-10Mark 9:1:10 Luke 9:26-36
As for the Ascension of Christ in Acts 1, it is likely the same cloud of the Mt of Transfiguration, as Jesus goes to sit on the right hand of the Father. This doctrine is virtually unknown to most all Christians, much less those that teach or preach to them. Thanks be to God I happened across a website a few years back where the late Patrick Cooke laid this all out in detail. Opened my eyes quite a bit.
I believe it's a daily decision effort. Referring to "pick up your cross daily & follow" Jesus, "dying to self", being "born again " we have to go from a symbolic crawling to walking. Luke 9:23, Luke 14:27, Matthew 10:38, John 8:24,
Learn to :
Deuteronomy 17:19, Isaiah 1:17,
Even fruit, isn't automatic, it takes time to grow.
Pruning, is there habits that need to be cut off? Even if it starts growing back, to trim again.
Luke 17:33, John 8:34, Romans 6, Romans 7, Romans 8:2,
Obviously, Peter, James and John see the kingdom coming at the Mt of Transfiguration. John especially, the Book of Revelation.
Compare all 3 passages of Matthew 17:1-9, Mark 9:1-9 and Luke 9:26-36.
Remember, Moses had died and God had buried him. Michael the archangel goes to get his body Jude 1:9
Elias (Elijah) was picked up by a chariot of fire 2 Kings 2:11-12.
They are returned by and re-enter a "cloud" where the voice of the Father is heard, Luke 9:34-35. Note the Father must have been in that cloud / chariot.
The clouds and chariots connection is found in Psalm 104:3 The clouds typify the chariots of the LORD which number 20,000 Psalm 68:17.. notice they are "as in Sinai", Moses time in Exodus. Of course the Cloud in Exodus performed as an aircraft / spacecraft as it came down from heaven and then did many aerial maneuvers.
When the second coming happens it is referred to many times as a "day of clouds" and in Isaiah 66:15 it involves "his chariots",
which is a fleet of at least 20,000 - Psalms 68:17.
Moses and Elias represent the Law and the Prophets, which is what Jesus came to fulfill - Luke 24:44 and they "spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem" - Luke 9:31
So then, Jesus makes the statement that there be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the kingdom of God... refers to the event of The Mt of Transfiguration event.
Obviously, Peter, James and John see the kingdom coming at the Mt of Transfiguration. John especially, the Book of Revelation.
Compare all 3 passages of Matthew 17:1-9, Mark 9:1-9 and Luke 9:26-36.
Remember, Moses had died and God had buried him. Michael the archangel goes to get his body Jude 1:9
Elias (Elijah) was picked up by a chariot of fire 2 Kings 2:11-12.
They are returned by and re-enter a "cloud" where the voice of the Father is heard, Luke 9:34-35. Note the Father must have been in that cloud / chariot.
The clouds and chariots connection is found in Psalm 104:3 The clouds typify the chariots of the LORD which number 20,000 Psalm 68:17.. notice they are "as in Sinai", Moses time in Exodus. Of course the Cloud in Exodus performed as an aircraft / spacecraft as it came down from heaven and then did many aerial maneuvers.
When the second coming happens it is referred to many times as a "day of clouds" and in Isaiah 66:15 it involves "his chariots",
which is a fleet of at least 20,000 - Psalms 68:17.
Moses and Elias represent the Law and the Prophets, which is what Jesus came to fulfill - Luke 24:44 and they "spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem" - Luke 9:31
So then, Jesus makes the statement that there be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the kingdom of God... refers to the event of The Mt of Transfiguration event.
The verse has to do with what Jesus was talking about. Lets see what he was saying :
Luke 9:23-27
23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
25nFor what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
Jesus was talking about those who wanted to follow Him. He warned them that one has to deny everything, even his own life, and suffer persecutions to be able to follow Him.
The reward for those that believe in Him and follow him all the way through all harsh circumstances met in life is been accepted in the Kingdom of God. So He said there are people standing there that either
1) will not die the (spiritual) death untill this Kingdom arrives on earth .He talks about tthe litteral Kindom of God arriving at the very end of this world
or 2) He may have implied that there were people standing there that will not die the physical death untill His Kingdom arrives (He means His ressurection when the saved ones were transferred from Ades to Heaven.
But since Jesus talks about coming with glory and angels the former explanation seems to the right one, though the latter may not be wrong either.
The previous verse gives the period of time in which this takes place. Luke 9:26. For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, WHEN HE SHALL COME IN HIS OWN GLORY, AND IN HIS FATHER'S, AND OF THE HOLY ANGELS.
In the preceding verses
Luke 9:28-35. we see a GLIMPSE of Christ in his glory that is mentioned. Also Peter makes mention of this event in 2 Peter 1:16-18. For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
I believe this takes place at his second coming. Look at Matthew's account.
Matthew 16:27. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; AND THEN HE SHALL REWARD EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS.
Revelation 22:12. And, behold, I come quickly; AND MY REWARD IS WITH ME, TO GIVE EVERY MAN ACCORDING AS HIS WORK SHALL BE.
Hiya Dora GBU....Yes I can explain that easily....When the Kingdom comes folks are gona be doing the works Jesus did and GREATER and the world is gonna see this and be DRAWN to Christs Kingdom wanting to forsake all and follow him...I WILL DRAW ALL MEN unto Me..meaning they are gona taste of DEATH impling selling everything and forsaking even their families....Remember Peter said we have forsaken all to follow you...Even the early Church sold everything and followed Jesus...And divided all their goods to everybody and anybody which is Death to their carnal minds that loves materialistic things and This life and wife and Children...The H.G. is gonna Regenerate himself in humanity...causing folks to DIE to the things of this world...Scripture says the slain of the Lord will be many....Outta of his mouth goes a Sharp Sword and he will smite the nations.
.....Jesus said he that loveth wife or Children more then me is not worthy of me....or MY kingdom...We will ALL taste of death and enjoy it...The manchild is the H.G. The Kingdom that is gonna be born in everybody and rule all this world... Joel 2 :28 I will pour out of my Spirit on ALL flesh...Your sons and daughterS are gonna prophesy....Even our Children are gona be DRAWN UNTO HIM...The whole family is gona be saved....If i be lifted up I will draw all men unto me...Thus all men will gladly taste of death for his KINGDOM.
.....Jesus said if a man forsake not all that he has he cannot be my disciple which is death to our carnal minds that loves materialistic things this life and family...homes etc...Money in the bank etc...Remember what Paul said I have suffered the LOSS OF ALL THINGS AND COUNT THEM BUT DUNG THAT I MIGHT WIN CHRIST ETC...Paul had died to the Flesh
.....Don't worry whats impossible with mans is possible with God.
Good day, Jesus after this event gave a glimpse of the future and the kingdom to John before he died which is the book of Revelation. There exists also the apocalypse of Peter which is not part of the 66 books, nor the Apocrypha.
Also to note the following verses have Jesus taking Peter, 1/2 brother James, and John on a sojourn to pray where they SAW Moses and Elijah and Heard a voice from heaven as our Lord was transfigured.
There be some standing here , those words are key , Jesus was talking about some one who was stood nearby listening to him . When you read the book of Acts and the account is Stephens death , you will see that this incident exactly fits with what Jesus says . This is why it's important to read the whole Bible , Old and New , any questions you have , the answers will be in there some where , you have to be patient and persistent in your reading and read the words carefully . Often the simplest answer is the correct one , enjoy it as it all unfolds for you , much love in Christ .
Hi Dora , I believe that this verse refers to Stephen in the book of Acts . Read the account of his death and you will see why I think that . Every question that the Bible poses it answers , you just have to keep reading .
Good question. I can offer an opinion on this topic.
I think it means that when Jesus returns or otherwise at the end of the world those who are alive will not taste death, because they're still alive and haven't died yet, and then the Christ followers will see the kingdom of God.
The phrase some standing here could mean people in the future may be standing in that same spot when Jesus returns. I saw that the basic English Bible interprets it as some who were standing there with Jesus (back then) wouldn't die before they see the kingdom of God. I think the former interpretation makes more sense.
There's a similar verse 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 that refers to the dead as those asleep. It says the dead in Christ will rise first, then those who are alive will then be caught up in the air with Jesus. Some call this event a rapture.
Matthew 24:36-42 is another passage describing these end time events. God bless...
The point of this scripture seems to be the " impossibility " that Jesus shows all things are possible. John 6:5-13,
Note: John 6:7 note the last part of that scripture says clearly "._._. is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little. "
Regardless of amount of money, even clear understanding of money amounts for time, inflation, price gouging, sales, shortage etc. Historical understanding doesn't say what GOD's scripture does about the message He is saying to us.
1st John 6:6 "And this he said to prove him, for he himself knew what he would do."
It was Philip Jesus was talking to: John 6:5, & Phillip who answered: John 6:7, his answer was about financial calculation, earnings, lack, almost as if money was the only answer he had. Remember it was to prove him. When we see " impossibilities" where's our faith & solutions?
Matthew 14:13-21, Matthew 15:29-39, Mark 6:30-44, Luke 9:12-17,
Jeremiah 48:13 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And Moab shall be ashamed of Chemosh, as the house of Israel was ashamed of Bethel their confidence.
Psalms 25:3 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Yea, let none that wait on thee be ashamed: let them be ashamed which transgress without cause.
Jeremiah 2:36 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Why gaddest thou about so much to change thy way? thou also shalt be ashamed of Egypt, as thou wast ashamed of Assyria.
Psalms 6:10 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Let all mine enemies be ashamed and sore vexed: let them return and be ashamed suddenly.
Psalms 31:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Let me not be ashamed, O LORD; for I have called upon thee: let the wicked be ashamed, and let them be silent in the grave.
Mark 8:38 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Jeremiah 2:26 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
As the thief is ashamed when he is found, so is the house of Israel ashamed; they, their kings, their princes, and their priests, and their prophets,
Luke 9:26 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
Jeremiah 8:12 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
Dear Gabriel, The Bible says in 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Jesus's blood is sufficient to forgive all your sins. You need to forgive yourself and surrender your troubles to Him-- Matthew 11:29 "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls." Take up your cross, deny yourself, throw off your own pain, and follow Him. Only then will you have peace.
Luke 9:23 "And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me."
Interesting question. Most excellent Theopholis in Luke 1:1-4 apparently addressed someone as a nobleman as to who the book was written to. The man who couldn't have demons cast out in Mark 9:29 addressed whichever disciples had a failed attempt to cast it out. The conversation when Jesus said you will see a man with an colt tied up and to ask his permission was recorded in Luke 19:30-34. Matthew 17:24-25 definitely shows Peter having a conversation with the tax collector. Then there is the verse in Luke 18:39 which could refer to the Disciples complaining or telling someone to be quiet; and similar references where they were mentioned to be trying to stop someone who was also doing healings and the like in Luke 9:50.
It seems most things were not too edifying that the disciples tried to do to interfere with what people were doing in Christ's presence. Sad commentary; but again before Pentacost many things were hidden from them. It seems there is no named individual who was mentioned; even with Christ until the trial immediately preceeding His death. We do see; however John the Baptist and his interaction which eventuallly caused him to be martyred. There were clearly interactions necessary to procure the healing of Peter's mother in law; and for Christ to give the Apostle John the care of His mother at His death.
Matthew 4:23, Matthew 9:35, Luke 9:1,2,11, 1Corinthians 12, Psalms 6:2, Matthew 10:1,8, Mark 9:23, Mark 9:14-29, Mark 16:17-18,
I have also noticed the Laws given Moses in Deuteronomy, Leviticus, etc. about what GOD said not to eat many of those proven to causes of health problems. I know someone that changed diet & cured her diabetes.
Peter and John saw this taking place and were thinking they should build churches; instead of just "being in the moment."
Then Father God tells them, this is my beloved Son__Hear Him!
The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.
Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7
Isaiah 6:8
* Romans 1:20*
Colossians 2:9
Acts 17:27-30
1 John 5:7
John 10:30
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"
Genesis 1:1
The Father purposes
The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)
The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.
I do not want to offend you, but the word "Trinity". It is a word that the Catholic Church uses. The word used in the Bible approved by most all Churches is Godhead.
The word Triune simply means three.
When Chris returns, if you see him in here ask him about the Council of Churches; history,
I think you'll see what I mean if you look up those scriptures.
If I may give another understanding of why Jesus told Peter "Get the behind me Satan". We find this in Matthew 16:23 and Mark 8:33. It may seem that Satan was influencing Peter, but Satan wanted Jesus to be killed because that would stop Jesus the Messiah from setting up the kingdom on earth, God's plan was hidden, even from the disciples.
Everyone and the disciples thought when the Messiah came, He would set up the Kingdom and set up the new world order. Jesus told them several times He would be killed and be resurrected, Matthew 16:21Matthew 17:22-23Mark 8:31Mark 9:31-32Mark 10:32-34. In Luke 9:44-45 it was hidden from them until He was resurrected Luke 24:6-8, and later the Holy Spirit would bring all remembrance to them, John 14:26.
The understanding of those sayings was hidden, and Peter took Jesus aside and was saying surely God would have mercy and not let this happen. Jesus turned away and when He said what He did all the disciples heard what He said. The word Satan was originally a common noun meaning adversary.
The disciples were amazed Jesus was going to Jerusalem and they were afraid Mark 10:32. Even though they were told what was going to happen it was hidden they did not have a clue, they were still looking for Jesus to overthrow the Romans and set up the kingdom. That was the reason they all scattered when Jesus was arrested and Peter's denial, they all were devastated and shocked because the Messiah when He came was to set up the kingdom not to be killed.
Jesus' response to Peter and the disciples was drastic but it was a message relevant to them all, a message they all needed to hear to get them through what was shortly to happen. One other thing, when Jesus came it was for the lost sheep of Israel only, even after Pentecost it was still for the house of Israel until the mystery of the gospel of grace was revealed.
Jesus only lost one, Judas who He called the son of perdition, John 17:12.
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock
I WILL BUILD my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 1 Corinthians 10:4
[ Luke 9: the account of Jesus's Transfiguration]
28-29 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, Jesus took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
And as Jesus prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
Verses 33-35
And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three (CHURCHES) tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: NOT knowing what he said.
While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: HEAR HIM.
Mishael comment: it was the wrong time to start planning 3 Churches. In the verse from Matthew, it's clear that Jesus will build His Church. A church not made with hands.
Please read them again He didn't tell them not to follow Him. This was after John the Baptist was killed, they were already trying to kill Jesus. Time was upon them & it wasn't with fine accommodations. Luke 9:22, Luke 9:51-53,
Luke 9:57-58,
Luke 9:59,60,
Luke 9:61-62,
Look in Luke 10, Luke 10:2, He said the labourers are few, two guys had excuses, one guy Jesus gave him facts of hardship. It's interesting that after that Jesus said the labourers are few.
Being in the Presence of God - In Reply on Luke 9 - 4 years ago
Luke 9:29
And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
1 Chronicles 29:2
Now I have prepared with all my might for the house of my God the gold for things to be made of gold, and the silver for things of silver, and the brass for things of brass, the iron for things of iron, and wood for things of wood; onyx stones, and stones to be set, glistering stones, and of divers colours, and all manner of precious stones, and marble stones in abundance.
Comment: It wasn't a good moment for the disciples to go into "building program mode".
If Jesus, Elijah, Moses, and the Father are together; it's a good time to be on your face worshipping.
"......His wife sort of represents the parable where Jesus said that
he who turned his back on the plow was unworthy ( Luke 9:62)....
Those who are caught up with the cares of this life; and ensnared by riches will never produce fruit and therefore are unsaved according to the parable of the sower. "
Define "unsaved". Do you mean someone who heard the Gospel and rejected it right away or heard it and blew it off or are you talking about people who knew the truth and then totally chucked it and went back to their old, sinful ways?
Many "christians" have the appearance of Godliness (like going to Church every Sunday, or going to/having Bible studies,
or bragging about how much they fast and pray, or do good deeds to be seen by men, or get a high by "speaking in tongues"
or ......)
Matthew 7:20-23
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Just what is, "doing the will of my Father which is in heaven."??
There is an excellent tract called "Remember Lot's Wife" in the Chapel Library series. Well worth reading. 2 Peter 2:7-8 indicates that Lot was righteous; even if he wasn't at the maturity level of Abraham listed in Hebrews 11. Clearly; Lot was compromised offering his own daughters to appease those who wanted to molest the angels (who appeared as men). He and his wife; no doubt were enticed by the fertile land of the valley as opposed to where Abraham ended up in tents. He was hesitant leaving; and after the angels finally prodded him; he left town but wanted to stop short of the mountains. Finally; after God's patience was demonstrated-the event occurred and then he was afraid to remain where he originally requested and fled to the mountains.
His wife sort of represents the parable where Jesus said that he who turned his back on the plow was unworthy ( Luke 9:62). Those who are caught up with the cares of this life; and ensnared by riches will never produce fruit and therefore are unsaved according to the parable of the sower. As to her eternal fate; I am not entirely sure it can be determined.
As to the daughters; their fear was that perhaps the whole world was destroyed. They got their father drunk; which wasn't exactly the same as seducing them out of fear of no offspring. It is possible at that time also there was no rule set about having such relations; if it is a sin it is not on the level with their son in laws who likely were engaged to them only at the time and disgracefully acted like the angels were mocking them. It should also be remembered that the rampant sexual behavior probably made eligible men a rarity in that region.
In any case; this incident shows us that some escape as through the fire and others are wise enough to be taken out as Enoch and Elijah. May we be the same at the rapture. God knows what He is doing; thankfully all those who are in Him will be saved. Let us be careful not to lose our rewards- Rev. 3:11
Dear "Leigh" and Gigi, we must forgive if we do not also our unforgivable mind will be held fast and we ourselves will not be forgiven by God. That is what Jesus Himself says. Mark 11:25-26
We have also received help from the Holy Spirit who will guide us if we ask Him. John 16:13-15
Personally, i pray to got a gentle spirit, so that i do not overwhelm others with my claim in such moments. The disciples asked Jesus one day. Luke 9:54-55
So much injustice has been done to me, but i rarely take it up. That is, if i can refer to God's Word, i will gladly do so. :) Be happy dear friends, we have conquered the world in the Name of Jesus. He will never leave us. He does not first give a gift and take it back, as we humans can often do!
But on the other hand, we have a thief, a devil, a cunning liar who constantly tries and steals our gifts. That is why it is especially important to be vigilant, especially when we talk about forgiveness. For with unforgiveness also comes bitterness and hatred. This things are not in the kingdom of God, at all! So take back up gift of grace you received, so that you reveal all that does not come from the Lord. 2 Timothy1:6-8
Stay blessed in His holy Name Jesus, love u all in Christ. Matthew 25:14-30
Jesus honored these things, along with His parents (on earth) Luke 2:22,23, Luke 2:41-49, John 4:45, John 5:1, John 10:22,23, even those who opposed Jesus expected Jesus to honor the appointed days : John 11:54-57, John 12, Even facing His own brutal death: Matthew 20:17,18 , Mark 10:32,33,34 do you think HE knew He was the Lamb,: Luke 2:38, Luke 18:31, that was going to be slain for Passover? That's why HE told them, as HE obediently set his face to go? Luke 9:51,
Matthew 21
Micah 6:6-8,
John 4:21-24, 2Corinthians 6:2, 2Colossains 2:16,17, Hebrews 10:1-19, Matthew 18:20,
Hopefully these are helpful
Genesis 1:27, notice: Genesis 1:26,28,29,
Genesis 2:7, interestingly here "formed, breathed life" is this symbolic of the Church the body of Christ to come? John 12:25, Genesis 3:22, John 5:26, John 5:24, John 3:36, John 6:48,54, Titus 1:2, Romans 8:6, John 5:39,
Is chapter 2, symbolic of the stewardship of GOD's Church? Genesis 2:15, Matthew 20:8, Luke 12:42, Mark 12,
Back to Genesis 1, "man appears to be collective for both" yes in name like human, humanity, humankind "man"
see even more interesting = Genesis 5:2,
GOD says distinctly female & male Genesis 1:27,
It appears it could be those created to multiply, fill the earth, subdue were away from the presence of GOD, again seeming to point to the symbolism in the garden "in the presence of GOD " His church. Genesis 3:8, Genesis 3:23-24, Genesis 4:14-16,
Genesis 2:17, spiritual death? Matthew 8:22, Luke 9:60, Matthew 22:32, Matthew 23:27,
In the forming of Eve, it appears also specific, spiritual & special with symbolism, Genesis 2:21-25, Genesis 6:1-3, Mark 10:4-9, 1Corinthians 6:15, Revelation 21:2,9, Isaiah 62:5, John 3:29-36, Matthew 22, Luke 12:36, Ephesians 5:30-32,
1Corinthians 13:9-12, James 1:5, Ephesians 3:4,
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Jesus gave instruction, I'm not aware of scripture in the Psalms specified for that. But David who is accredited as author of many of the Psalms written in the Bible, was able to have an evil spirit leave Saul, by playing music. 1Samuel 16, however this seems different, because note: 1Samuel 16:14, 1Samuel 15, note 1Samuel 15:23,
Please read & study these:
Mark 1:34,39, Mark 3:14-15, Matthew 12:28, Luke 11:20, Mark 16:9, Matthew 8:16, Luke 4:14, Luke 8:2, Matthew 28:18-20,
Jude 1:2-10, note: Jude 1:9, Acts 19:13-17, Matthew 12:39-45, Luke 11:14-26,
Mark 6:7-13, Luke 9:49-50,
Matthew 10:8, Mark 16:17,
Matthew 17:14-21, Mark 9:17-29,
James 1:2-7, Luke 11:1-13,
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Psalms 104:3 " who maketh the clouds his chariot" .... that is the KEY to the clouds . A cloud or clouds plural are actually referencing his chariot and fleet of chariots in Psalms 68:17 "The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels:
the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place." 20,000 chariots would be a flying fleet of aircraft/spacecraft, as he comes down from heaven and maneuvers through the skies of earth. Look at Isaiah 66:15 "For behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his CHARIOTS....." this is at the second coming ! This clearly ties in with the armies in heaven which follow him in Revelation 19:14
That should open things up a little for you. A detailed study of the Mt of Transfiguration where a cloud comes with the Father in it bringing Moses and Elijah.... "and they feared (the disciples) as they (Moses and Elijah) ENTERED INTO THE CLOUD".. Like 9:34. Yeah, I bet they did. First off, Moses was resurrected - Jude 1:9. Elijah went up in a chariot in 2 Kings 2. They then return in one of these Cloud-Chariots with the Father to talk to Jesus before his death. This fulfills the prophecy Jesus gave the week before about some standing here not tasting death till they see the kingdom of God .... Matthew 16 end - Matthew 17:1-10 Mark 9:1:10 Luke 9:26-36
As for the Ascension of Christ in Acts 1, it is likely the same cloud of the Mt of Transfiguration, as Jesus goes to sit on the right hand of the Father. This doctrine is virtually unknown to most all Christians, much less those that teach or preach to them. Thanks be to God I happened across a website a few years back where the late Patrick Cooke laid this all out in detail. Opened my eyes quite a bit.
Learn to :
Deuteronomy 17:19, Isaiah 1:17,
Even fruit, isn't automatic, it takes time to grow.
Pruning, is there habits that need to be cut off? Even if it starts growing back, to trim again.
Luke 17:33, John 8:34, Romans 6, Romans 7, Romans 8:2,
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Compare all 3 passages of Matthew 17:1-9, Mark 9:1-9 and Luke 9:26-36.
Remember, Moses had died and God had buried him. Michael the archangel goes to get his body Jude 1:9
Elias (Elijah) was picked up by a chariot of fire 2 Kings 2:11-12.
They are returned by and re-enter a "cloud" where the voice of the Father is heard, Luke 9:34-35. Note the Father must have been in that cloud / chariot.
The clouds and chariots connection is found in Psalm 104:3 The clouds typify the chariots of the LORD which number 20,000 Psalm 68:17.. notice they are "as in Sinai", Moses time in Exodus. Of course the Cloud in Exodus performed as an aircraft / spacecraft as it came down from heaven and then did many aerial maneuvers.
When the second coming happens it is referred to many times as a "day of clouds" and in Isaiah 66:15 it involves "his chariots",
which is a fleet of at least 20,000 - Psalms 68:17.
Moses and Elias represent the Law and the Prophets, which is what Jesus came to fulfill - Luke 24:44 and they "spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem" - Luke 9:31
So then, Jesus makes the statement that there be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the kingdom of God... refers to the event of The Mt of Transfiguration event.
Compare all 3 passages of Matthew 17:1-9, Mark 9:1-9 and Luke 9:26-36.
Remember, Moses had died and God had buried him. Michael the archangel goes to get his body Jude 1:9
Elias (Elijah) was picked up by a chariot of fire 2 Kings 2:11-12.
They are returned by and re-enter a "cloud" where the voice of the Father is heard, Luke 9:34-35. Note the Father must have been in that cloud / chariot.
The clouds and chariots connection is found in Psalm 104:3 The clouds typify the chariots of the LORD which number 20,000 Psalm 68:17.. notice they are "as in Sinai", Moses time in Exodus. Of course the Cloud in Exodus performed as an aircraft / spacecraft as it came down from heaven and then did many aerial maneuvers.
When the second coming happens it is referred to many times as a "day of clouds" and in Isaiah 66:15 it involves "his chariots",
which is a fleet of at least 20,000 - Psalms 68:17.
Moses and Elias represent the Law and the Prophets, which is what Jesus came to fulfill - Luke 24:44 and they "spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem" - Luke 9:31
So then, Jesus makes the statement that there be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the kingdom of God... refers to the event of The Mt of Transfiguration event.
The verse has to do with what Jesus was talking about. Lets see what he was saying :
Luke 9:23-27
23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
25nFor what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
Jesus was talking about those who wanted to follow Him. He warned them that one has to deny everything, even his own life, and suffer persecutions to be able to follow Him.
The reward for those that believe in Him and follow him all the way through all harsh circumstances met in life is been accepted in the Kingdom of God. So He said there are people standing there that either
1) will not die the (spiritual) death untill this Kingdom arrives on earth .He talks about tthe litteral Kindom of God arriving at the very end of this world
or 2) He may have implied that there were people standing there that will not die the physical death untill His Kingdom arrives (He means His ressurection when the saved ones were transferred from Ades to Heaven.
But since Jesus talks about coming with glory and angels the former explanation seems to the right one, though the latter may not be wrong either.
GBU
On Luke 9:27.
The previous verse gives the period of time in which this takes place. Luke 9:26. For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, WHEN HE SHALL COME IN HIS OWN GLORY, AND IN HIS FATHER'S, AND OF THE HOLY ANGELS.
In the preceding verses
Luke 9:28-35. we see a GLIMPSE of Christ in his glory that is mentioned. Also Peter makes mention of this event in 2 Peter 1:16-18. For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
I believe this takes place at his second coming. Look at Matthew's account.
Matthew 16:27. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; AND THEN HE SHALL REWARD EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS.
Revelation 22:12. And, behold, I come quickly; AND MY REWARD IS WITH ME, TO GIVE EVERY MAN ACCORDING AS HIS WORK SHALL BE.
I hope this helps,
God bless.
.....Jesus said he that loveth wife or Children more then me is not worthy of me....or MY kingdom...We will ALL taste of death and enjoy it...The manchild is the H.G. The Kingdom that is gonna be born in everybody and rule all this world... Joel 2 :28 I will pour out of my Spirit on ALL flesh...Your sons and daughterS are gonna prophesy....Even our Children are gona be DRAWN UNTO HIM...The whole family is gona be saved....If i be lifted up I will draw all men unto me...Thus all men will gladly taste of death for his KINGDOM.
.....Jesus said if a man forsake not all that he has he cannot be my disciple which is death to our carnal minds that loves materialistic things this life and family...homes etc...Money in the bank etc...Remember what Paul said I have suffered the LOSS OF ALL THINGS AND COUNT THEM BUT DUNG THAT I MIGHT WIN CHRIST ETC...Paul had died to the Flesh
.....Don't worry whats impossible with mans is possible with God.
Also to note the following verses have Jesus taking Peter, 1/2 brother James, and John on a sojourn to pray where they SAW Moses and Elijah and Heard a voice from heaven as our Lord was transfigured.
Respectfully,
Good question. I can offer an opinion on this topic.
I think it means that when Jesus returns or otherwise at the end of the world those who are alive will not taste death, because they're still alive and haven't died yet, and then the Christ followers will see the kingdom of God.
The phrase some standing here could mean people in the future may be standing in that same spot when Jesus returns. I saw that the basic English Bible interprets it as some who were standing there with Jesus (back then) wouldn't die before they see the kingdom of God. I think the former interpretation makes more sense.
There's a similar verse 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 that refers to the dead as those asleep. It says the dead in Christ will rise first, then those who are alive will then be caught up in the air with Jesus. Some call this event a rapture.
Matthew 24:36-42 is another passage describing these end time events. God bless...
27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
Can you explain/expound please?
Note: John 6:7 note the last part of that scripture says clearly "._._. is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little. "
Regardless of amount of money, even clear understanding of money amounts for time, inflation, price gouging, sales, shortage etc. Historical understanding doesn't say what GOD's scripture does about the message He is saying to us.
1st John 6:6 "And this he said to prove him, for he himself knew what he would do."
It was Philip Jesus was talking to: John 6:5, & Phillip who answered: John 6:7, his answer was about financial calculation, earnings, lack, almost as if money was the only answer he had. Remember it was to prove him. When we see " impossibilities" where's our faith & solutions?
Matthew 14:13-21, Matthew 15:29-39, Mark 6:30-44, Luke 9:12-17,
Note Matthew 15:32-33,
In each account Jesus had healed all the sick.
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And Moab shall be ashamed of Chemosh, as the house of Israel was ashamed of Bethel their confidence.
Psalms 25:3 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Yea, let none that wait on thee be ashamed: let them be ashamed which transgress without cause.
Jeremiah 2:36 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Why gaddest thou about so much to change thy way? thou also shalt be ashamed of Egypt, as thou wast ashamed of Assyria.
Psalms 6:10 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Let all mine enemies be ashamed and sore vexed: let them return and be ashamed suddenly.
Psalms 31:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Let me not be ashamed, O LORD; for I have called upon thee: let the wicked be ashamed, and let them be silent in the grave.
Mark 8:38 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Jeremiah 2:26 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
As the thief is ashamed when he is found, so is the house of Israel ashamed; they, their kings, their princes, and their priests, and their prophets,
Luke 9:26 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
Jeremiah 8:12 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
Luke 9:23 "And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me."
God Bless you!
Repent= the act of leaving what GOD prohibited & returning to what HE commanded.
Revelation 2:5, Matthew 3:2, Luke 13:3-9, Exodus 20:14,
Where does it say to be sorry, because of our trespass?
Remember the woman: John 8:1-12, Psalms 130:4,
James 2, Matthew 25:31-46, Ezekiel 33:11,
Luke 9:23, Matthew 16:24, Mark 8:34, Romans 8:13, Matthew 10:28, Colossians 1:10-23, Ephesians 5:1-20, Jude 1:24-25,
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It seems most things were not too edifying that the disciples tried to do to interfere with what people were doing in Christ's presence. Sad commentary; but again before Pentacost many things were hidden from them. It seems there is no named individual who was mentioned; even with Christ until the trial immediately preceeding His death. We do see; however John the Baptist and his interaction which eventuallly caused him to be martyred. There were clearly interactions necessary to procure the healing of Peter's mother in law; and for Christ to give the Apostle John the care of His mother at His death.
I have also noticed the Laws given Moses in Deuteronomy, Leviticus, etc. about what GOD said not to eat many of those proven to causes of health problems. I know someone that changed diet & cured her diabetes.
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Jesus was talking to Moses and Elijah
Peter and John saw this taking place and were thinking they should build churches; instead of just "being in the moment."
Then Father God tells them, this is my beloved Son__Hear Him!
The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.
Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7
Isaiah 6:8
* Romans 1:20*
Colossians 2:9
Acts 17:27-30
1 John 5:7
John 10:30
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"
Genesis 1:1
The Father purposes
The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)
The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.
I do not want to offend you, but the word "Trinity". It is a word that the Catholic Church uses. The word used in the Bible approved by most all Churches is Godhead.
The word Triune simply means three.
When Chris returns, if you see him in here ask him about the Council of Churches; history,
I think you'll see what I mean if you look up those scriptures.
Blessings, Mishael
If I may give another understanding of why Jesus told Peter "Get the behind me Satan". We find this in Matthew 16:23 and Mark 8:33. It may seem that Satan was influencing Peter, but Satan wanted Jesus to be killed because that would stop Jesus the Messiah from setting up the kingdom on earth, God's plan was hidden, even from the disciples.
Everyone and the disciples thought when the Messiah came, He would set up the Kingdom and set up the new world order. Jesus told them several times He would be killed and be resurrected, Matthew 16:21 Matthew 17:22-23 Mark 8:31 Mark 9:31-32 Mark 10:32-34. In Luke 9:44-45 it was hidden from them until He was resurrected Luke 24:6-8, and later the Holy Spirit would bring all remembrance to them, John 14:26.
The understanding of those sayings was hidden, and Peter took Jesus aside and was saying surely God would have mercy and not let this happen. Jesus turned away and when He said what He did all the disciples heard what He said. The word Satan was originally a common noun meaning adversary.
The disciples were amazed Jesus was going to Jerusalem and they were afraid Mark 10:32. Even though they were told what was going to happen it was hidden they did not have a clue, they were still looking for Jesus to overthrow the Romans and set up the kingdom. That was the reason they all scattered when Jesus was arrested and Peter's denial, they all were devastated and shocked because the Messiah when He came was to set up the kingdom not to be killed.
Jesus' response to Peter and the disciples was drastic but it was a message relevant to them all, a message they all needed to hear to get them through what was shortly to happen. One other thing, when Jesus came it was for the lost sheep of Israel only, even after Pentecost it was still for the house of Israel until the mystery of the gospel of grace was revealed.
Jesus only lost one, Judas who He called the son of perdition, John 17:12.
Hope this helps
God bless,
RLW
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock
I WILL BUILD my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 1 Corinthians 10:4
[ Luke 9: the account of Jesus's Transfiguration]
28-29 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, Jesus took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
And as Jesus prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
Verses 33-35
And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three (CHURCHES) tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: NOT knowing what he said.
While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: HEAR HIM.
Mishael comment: it was the wrong time to start planning 3 Churches. In the verse from Matthew, it's clear that Jesus will build His Church. A church not made with hands.
Luke 9:57-58,
Luke 9:59,60,
Luke 9:61-62,
Look in Luke 10, Luke 10:2, He said the labourers are few, two guys had excuses, one guy Jesus gave him facts of hardship. It's interesting that after that Jesus said the labourers are few.
It doesn't say they didn't follow Him.
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And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
1 Chronicles 29:2
Now I have prepared with all my might for the house of my God the gold for things to be made of gold, and the silver for things of silver, and the brass for things of brass, the iron for things of iron, and wood for things of wood; onyx stones, and stones to be set, glistering stones, and of divers colours, and all manner of precious stones, and marble stones in abundance.
Comment: It wasn't a good moment for the disciples to go into "building program mode".
If Jesus, Elijah, Moses, and the Father are together; it's a good time to be on your face worshipping.
Stii, Jesus didn't scold them.
Mishael
he who turned his back on the plow was unworthy ( Luke 9:62)....
Those who are caught up with the cares of this life; and ensnared by riches will never produce fruit and therefore are unsaved according to the parable of the sower. "
Define "unsaved". Do you mean someone who heard the Gospel and rejected it right away or heard it and blew it off or are you talking about people who knew the truth and then totally chucked it and went back to their old, sinful ways?
Many "christians" have the appearance of Godliness (like going to Church every Sunday, or going to/having Bible studies,
or bragging about how much they fast and pray, or do good deeds to be seen by men, or get a high by "speaking in tongues"
or ......)
Matthew 7:20-23
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Just what is, "doing the will of my Father which is in heaven."??
I'm confused.
His wife sort of represents the parable where Jesus said that he who turned his back on the plow was unworthy ( Luke 9:62). Those who are caught up with the cares of this life; and ensnared by riches will never produce fruit and therefore are unsaved according to the parable of the sower. As to her eternal fate; I am not entirely sure it can be determined.
As to the daughters; their fear was that perhaps the whole world was destroyed. They got their father drunk; which wasn't exactly the same as seducing them out of fear of no offspring. It is possible at that time also there was no rule set about having such relations; if it is a sin it is not on the level with their son in laws who likely were engaged to them only at the time and disgracefully acted like the angels were mocking them. It should also be remembered that the rampant sexual behavior probably made eligible men a rarity in that region.
In any case; this incident shows us that some escape as through the fire and others are wise enough to be taken out as Enoch and Elijah. May we be the same at the rapture. God knows what He is doing; thankfully all those who are in Him will be saved. Let us be careful not to lose our rewards- Rev. 3:11
We have also received help from the Holy Spirit who will guide us if we ask Him. John 16:13-15
Personally, i pray to got a gentle spirit, so that i do not overwhelm others with my claim in such moments. The disciples asked Jesus one day. Luke 9:54-55
So much injustice has been done to me, but i rarely take it up. That is, if i can refer to God's Word, i will gladly do so. :) Be happy dear friends, we have conquered the world in the Name of Jesus. He will never leave us. He does not first give a gift and take it back, as we humans can often do!
But on the other hand, we have a thief, a devil, a cunning liar who constantly tries and steals our gifts. That is why it is especially important to be vigilant, especially when we talk about forgiveness. For with unforgiveness also comes bitterness and hatred. This things are not in the kingdom of God, at all! So take back up gift of grace you received, so that you reveal all that does not come from the Lord. 2 Timothy1:6-8
Stay blessed in His holy Name Jesus, love u all in Christ. Matthew 25:14-30