In Luke 3:27, it says that wheat will be gathered into his garner. The garner would be the same thing as the threshing floor. What they would do is they would gather the crops in and they would grind it on the threshing floor, and the grain would separate from the chaff, and then they would take a shovel, a winnowing fork, a winnowing fan, and they throw it up in the air. And the grain would only travel a certain distance but the chaff would blow even further away.
By the time you got through with this process you got two piles. One goes into the barn, and the other one you burn. He is saying that's the way it is with Jesus, either you are going to get baptized with His spirit, because that's the name of His ministry. He will either baptize you with the Holy Spirit, or the fire of judgment. There are only two kinds of people, and only two ways to go. So the threshing floor was used to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Adam Sir there is something I've learned at times about myself and others, a man convinced against His Will is of the same opinion still, i.e. Or we will think and convince ourselves to be dead right and be dead wrong. This applies to anything.
Ann People reading into things what God calls in Romans 1 The imaginations of men, once individuals meaning myself also start going down the road I think it means this or that, it begins a slippery slope, in the temptations in luke Satan said to Jesus Christ If Thou Be The Son Of God, Jesus Christ Had no doubt Who He Was Or The Power and Authority He Had but if He would have Questioned or Doubted, we would never been redeemed. Alsp notice His Reply on all points, which should be our reply It Is Written. My perspective.
I'm going to kindly point out a contradiction in your words.
You wrote: "I did not make any comment on Scriptures I quoted in my post, because Scriptures explains Scriptures."
But in your comment you wrote this explanation: "There was a multitude of angels in the Garden of Eden and there was also a ruler in Eden, a Cherub. They all rebelled against GOD - the Word is GOD - and they corrupted themselves as is wwritten in..."
Then in the same comment you wrote: "John the Apostle brings us a deep revelation"
It seemed your major point was that you were *only* sharing scripture and not your own interpretation, but the only problem with that point is you did insert your own interpretation, not just once, but twice. Also, cherry picking scripture in itself in response to a point shows your own interpretation, because you used only limited selections of scripture.
You also wrote: "Your thinking and argument is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective."
How do you and only you claim to know God's perspective? You just completely made up something not even in the Bible- that eve had relations with satan and had kids, which is totally outrageous and not found in the Bible- only in your own head.
Your claim was refuted by scripture. You used 4 references that you misinterpreted and I shared 9 scripture references that refuted your interpretation.
Oseas My last perspective spiritually jesus Christ said judge not for thall shalt be judged also, not to go finding faults in others but check your first, also there is none good but God, these are scripture to. Over and out
In my post that you replied I only ask: What does the Word of GOD say?
I did not make any comment on Scriptures I quoted in my post, because Scriptures explains Scriptures. I work with the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. I do not know word more powerful than the Word of GOD.
GOD weigheth the spirits in balances. Your thinking and argument is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective. He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from above is above all, and what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth- John 3:v.31-32 .
Before or face the Word of GOD, the source you suggest for me to search is straw, it is insignificant, the witness of GOD is greater, understand? For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.
1 Cor.2:v.11 - What man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of GOD knoweth no man, but the Spirit of GOD. GOD has made ministers not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life.
According Proverbs 27:v.6, Faithful are the wounds of a friend or of the one who loves, than the kisses of the one who uses deceit.
James 5:v.19-20KJV
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
1Peter 4:v.17-18KJV
17 For the time is come that Judgment must begin at the house of GOD: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection
My advise is that you wipe out those thoughts with the Blood of Jesus. ANY VOICE that ACCUSES God of impropriety, is Satans Voice. Anyone that attempts to mislead others, is a demonic mouthpiece.
Let it go. Stay in here and learn scripture and Truth. Truth is a person; Jesus.
"I am the Way, the Truth, the Life. No one comes to the Father, but by ME."
Oseas, thanks for sharing your scripture and your interpretation of it. Yes, I read the scripture and believe it, but it does not say Eve had sex with satan. It is absolutely not there and not even close in my opinion.
It appears your primary source from which you hinge your theory is Jude 1:6-7. I encourage you to search 'What is the strange flesh in Jude 1:7?' on GotQuestions website. They did a thorough breakdown of this which I agree with.
I think the strange flesh in verse 7 is the unnatural homosexual behavior that took place within Sodom and Gomorrah, not relations with angels. Of course there was a visit from 2 angels there that the men wanted to have relations with, but they didn't know they were angels. Genesis 6:2-4. HEBREWS 13:2.
Secondly, the example of Jude 1:4-7 points out that God will punish those who disobey and deviate from God's plan for them.
Third, yes, the Bible has metaphors. Example: John 6:56. Eat flesh and drink blood. Have you literally given into cannibalism and eaten Jesus? And is that what it means? No, it's a metaphor. The bread symbolized it. Isaiah 64:8 - are you literally clay? Ezekiel 34:31 - are we a flock of sheep? Here's a simile: Matthew 10:16. 'as' sheep, 'as' serpents, 'as' wolves, which explains it's symbolic. So, when Jesus or God called humans satan were they actually satan or acting like satan? Jesus called Peter satan: Matthew 4:1. So, does that mean Peter was acting like satan or WAS satan? If he literally was satan why then did Jesus forgive him? Peter said he loved Jesus 3 times. Does satan love Jesus?
The other 2 verses you posted seem to serve confirmation bias for your theory, as they are general and are only used to reinforce the original misinterpretation.
Osseas why do you attack or condemn other individuals beliefs, is everything your sharing absolute. Do you expect all others to agree to what you see Biblically. This is for Bible comments I thought, not if you don't believe this or that your going to ----. Just saying. God Bless
There was a multitude of angels in the Garden of Eden and there was also a ruler in Eden, a Cherub. They all rebelled against GOD - the Word is GOD - and they corrupted themselves as is wwritten in Jude 1:v.6-7:
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate(celestial/spiritual estate), but left their own habitation (they left their celestial nature), he -GOD- hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment of this great Day. (the LORD's Day).
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner (IN LIKE MANNER OF THE ANGELS IN EDEN), giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE.
John the Apostle brings us a deep revelation: John 3:v.10-12
10 In this the children of GOD are manifest,and the children of the DEVIL:whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of GOD,neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning,that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain,who was of that wicked one(WHO WAS OF THE DEVIL, called SATAN),and slew his brother.And wherefore slew he him?Because his own works were evil,and his brother's righteous.
And JESUS said to the Jews: John 8:44-45
41 Ye do the deeds of your FATHER.Then said they to JESUS,We be not born of fornication;we have one Father,even GOD.
42 Jesus said unto them,If GOD were your FATHER,ye would love me:for I proceeded forth and came from GOD;neither came I of myself,but He sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech?even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your FATHER the DEVIL,and the lusts of your FATHER ye will do.He was a murderer from the beginning,and abode not in the truth,because there is no truth in him.When he speaketh a lie,he speaketh of his own:for he is a liar, and the father of it. Mat.23:33- Ye serpents,ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
More scripture on Jesus first coming ( Luke 3:1-6) Tiberius Caesar was emperor from 14-37 A.D. Pontius Pilate ruled from 26-36 A.D. so the fifteenth year of Tiberius would have been 29-31 A.D. start of John the Baptist ministry. Jesus was baptized, then Jesus went into the wilderness for forty days, tempted by Satan. Then His ministry started. They put John B in jail and later beheaded him. Not long after, in John 2, Jesus was in Cana of Galilee at the wedding and after in John 2:13, the Passover was at hand. This would place it just before spring of 29-31 A.D. maybe a month before the Passover.
( Daniel 9:26), "after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off". The 7 weeks, 49/48.3 years that are not counted. This was when the restoration and repairing of the walls, streets, and gates of the city of Jerusalem by Ezra and Nehemiah ( Nehemiah 2:8-17; 4:17). Troublous times when their enemies tried to stop the building ( Nehemiah 4:7) the first 7 weeks, 49 years, or 48.3 prophetical years of the prophecy. So, the main word here is after. The Messiah (Jesus) is cut off 7+62=69+3.5 years= 479.5 prophetical years with 3.5 years to go to 490 years 365-day years or 483 prophetical years
The other half of 9:26 tells us the people (Roman army) of the prince (Titus) "that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" 70 AD. Titus did not want to destroy the temple, he wanted to make it a Roman temple but the army (people) set it on fire and destroyed it.
( Daniel 9:27). Jesus was here 3.5 years confirming the covenant to the lost sheep of Israel. When Jesus was cut off (crucified) in the middle of the week, He caused the Levitical law sacrifices and oblations to cease, no more animal sacrifices would be accepted by God, Jesus said the worship of God will no longer be accepted at the temple ( John 4:19-24), and the veil rent in half, ( Matthew 23:31-38) covers the second half of verse 9:27.
Are you claiming that the Bible is wrong simply because you don't currently understand the genealogy?
That seems like quite a logical leap and most Bible readers would disagree with such an assumption. When something isn't understood is it normal to only focus on 1 verse, and disregard what dozens of scriptures consistently say?
The Bible clearly says Joseph became the husband of Mary. That is an undisputed fact as far as I'm concerned and says this in Matthew 1:20, Matthew 1:16, etc.
It sounds like the question is who was Joseph's father? Jacob or Heli? Luke 3:23 or Matthew 1:16.
It's evident that Joseph is Heli's son-in-law. In Jewish culture it is not unusual for the son in law to be referred to simply as the son of his father in law. This custom is used in other scriptures in the Bible too where calling someone a 'son' is an endearing term, especially son-in-law.
Also, the genealogy in Matthew wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list, but a subset. Luke gave the complete genealogy and traced Christ's lineage through Mary, while Matthew traced it through Joseph.
Rather than assuming everything we don't understand is an error and spreading this around like poison, wouldn't it seem prudent to first pray and ask God for wisdom for things you don't understand, research it further and ask open questions, before trying to discredit the Bible in public based on false assumptions. Just like the fake news we see in the media today, the corrections and retractions never get the full coverage as the original falsehoods, so just like here, people likely read your remarks and drew a negative conclusion in their heart based on a false assumption and that is really sad to see this especially on a Bible website where we should be seeking God to understand the truth, not spreading lies.
Just to reply to your question about Luke 3:23 & Matthew 1:16. The other verses in the OT I have no knowledge of.
As I have found this issue also and done some research and was lead to the answer. The generations from Babylon to Christ are to be fourteen as in Matthew 1:17. The way it is written is only thirteen if "Joseph", in Matthew 1:16, is Mary's "husband". First off we know something is up as the father of Joseph, Mary's husband, in Luke 3:23 is Heli. As that is his genealogy. In Matthew 1:16 it says it is Jacob.
In Matthew 1:16 what should be written is Jacob begat Joseph the "father" of Mary.
I don't know how this mix up happened as said it is only thirteen generations from Babylon to Christ as it is written. Which is wrong to the next verse. Changing "husband" to "father" makes the generations fourteen and in line with the next verse. Also we know Joseph's(Mary's husband) father is Heli not Jacob as stated.
One man had copies of original texts of "father" not "husband" for Matthew 1:16. In another language of coarse.
Luke 3:23 ( Matthew 1: 16) ( Could you please clarify what went wrong here? Also,see 2 Samuel 24:9 and 1 Chronicle 21:5 This is the text that I found most appealing. I have a few errors and issues, but all I want is for this to be cleared.
I hope this does not offend anyone. This prophecy that was given to Daniel, 70 weeks which is 70 7s = 490 years. This prophecy tells the exact year the Messiah (Jesus) arrives. ( Daniel 9:25) The 7 weeks + 3 score + 2 weeks = 69 weeks = 483 years leaving 1 week or 7 years that has been used with other verses in the Bible to create a theory about the end time.
In ( Luke 3:1-6) scripture tells us the year. Tiberius Caesar was emperor from 14-37 A.D. Pontius Pilate ruled from 26-36 A.D. so the fifteenth year of Tiberius would have been 29-31 A.D. start of John the Baptist ministry. This and the other Gospels are pretty clear with baptizing by John most likely in the fall, 40 days in the wilderness, choosing his disciples, the wedding with the wine and the first of three Passovers and his crucifixion at the third, placing it in the middle, 3 years into the 70th week.
Plain and simple math shows us if Jesus appeared in 69 weeks from the going forth of the commandment and He was cut off, crucified 3 years later that is in the middle of the 70th week. So, can you use this week at the end time? I will not post on Daniel 9:27, that will be too long, but hopefully what I have written will help your study. I made a post about what was determined in this prophecy yesterday. It has scripture you can read and decide for your own conscience the truth.
God Bless you Lauren for your kind reply. It truly gives me joy to help anyone with the Holy Scriptures if I am able. All glory to the Lord as the little ability I have is a Blessing from Him.
Just a couple verses to note for you with Salvation of the Lord:
Jonah 2:9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.
Luke 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Acts 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Hebrews 5:7-9 Who in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him that was able to save Him from death, and was heard in that He feared;
Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered;
And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him;
2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
I don't think I've posted this before but it is important and I just feel to state it to help others.
What came to me a while ago was that the generations from entering Babylon to Christ is supposed to be fourteen generations as per Matthew 1:17. When you count the three steps of fourteen generations starting from Abraham the first two are fourteen and the last one to Christ is only thirteen. It has been known some Jewish people use this to discredit Jesus of Nazareth being the Christ.
After looking into this the answer was brought to light by a man who studied this. When we get to Matthew 1:16 we see "Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary". This is where this genealogy fails as the break between Jacob and Mary. We know this is not correct as the genealogy of Joseph the carpenter, husband of Mary, is in Luke 3:23. The father of Joseph is Heli not Jacob. The answer was found in original Scriptures of Matthew which was the only one of the four Gospels to be written in Hebrew. The word "husband" used in Matthew 1:16 is incorrect. As he had pictures of the Scriptures. It is the "father" of Mary. As Joseph was a normal name that her father and husband shared. Which in turn links the genealogy back up and makes it fourteen generations as it should be.
Again, I just felt to post this as to me it is important for us to know this. As the way it is written people can use it as a weapon against Jesus Christ.
Hopefully I have brought this to light for some as others may already know this.
Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem which was the son of Noe, Which was the son of Mathusula, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Luke 1 - 4 years ago
Respectfully,
Jesus was never "fully God & fully man" (that term is not found in scripture)
The man Christ Jesus is called the Christ, because he was annointed with the holy Spirit of his Father. This is the definition of the word; Christ - the annointed one.
When was he annointed? :
Luke 3:22
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
This is when the fulness of the Godhead (God the Father who is the Holy Spirit - John 4:24/ Leviticus 11:44) began to dwell in the body of His Son ( Colossians 2:9).
Not at His birth.
Yes, Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit (God the Father)-( Matthew 1:18) in the womb of a virgin.
But the Holy Spirit (God) did not begin to dwell in His Son until His baptism by John in the Jordan.. and only then did Jesus begin His 3.5 year ministry of miracles signs and wonders.
This is not my opinion, this is what the scripture declares.
OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Mark 3 - 4 years ago
Well praise the Lord if you have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ!
That's the first half of being born of water & Spirit Jesus spoke of in John 3:5 necessary to enter into the kingdom.
As to Christ being the Word, that is a lie from the pit of hell to get people to believe in a "pre-incarnate Christ" and a "trinity" (words not found in the Holy Scriptures), so that they don't know the Son of God, and He will tell them, "depart from me I never knew you" as you referenced in Matthew 7.
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Amen. How did God create everything? By His word. It doesn't say "and the word was Christ."
And the word was made flesh ( John 1:14).
God was manifest in the flesh ( 1 Tim 3:16)
Amen.
When was God manifest in the flesh?
Luke 3:22
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Amen.
When the Holy Spirit (God) descended upon and began to dwell in His Son, God was manifest in the flesh, and then Jesus began his 3.5 year ministry of miracles signs and wonders.
Which brings us to the root of our conversation. Murmuring or babbling (i.e. sha la la ba ba like you can hear in some "pentecostal/apostolic" churches) is not evidence of having received the Holy Ghost. However, as I said; the fake tongues do not invalidate the real thing. The Book of Acts shows forth that anytime someone received the Holy Ghost they spoke in another tongue (be it of men or angels). If you can show me, from the scriptures, an instance that someone received the Holy Ghost by "feeling peace" then I will gladly stand corrected, but I have not found any such scripture. I wouldn't trust a "personal experience" over what the word of God says.
Isaiah 55:1
Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Joseph was undoubtedly Jesus earthly dad. You are totally wrong about that. Read Matt 1. Jesus earthly genealogy starts with King David and also with Adam in Luke 3:38. Please stop thinking carnally and be inspired by the Holy Ghost.
In Luke 3:27, it says that wheat will be gathered into his garner. The garner would be the same thing as the threshing floor. What they would do is they would gather the crops in and they would grind it on the threshing floor, and the grain would separate from the chaff, and then they would take a shovel, a winnowing fork, a winnowing fan, and they throw it up in the air. And the grain would only travel a certain distance but the chaff would blow even further away.
By the time you got through with this process you got two piles. One goes into the barn, and the other one you burn. He is saying that's the way it is with Jesus, either you are going to get baptized with His spirit, because that's the name of His ministry. He will either baptize you with the Holy Spirit, or the fire of judgment. There are only two kinds of people, and only two ways to go. So the threshing floor was used to separate the wheat from the chaff.
I'm going to kindly point out a contradiction in your words.
You wrote: "I did not make any comment on Scriptures I quoted in my post, because Scriptures explains Scriptures."
But in your comment you wrote this explanation: "There was a multitude of angels in the Garden of Eden and there was also a ruler in Eden, a Cherub. They all rebelled against GOD - the Word is GOD - and they corrupted themselves as is wwritten in..."
Then in the same comment you wrote: "John the Apostle brings us a deep revelation"
It seemed your major point was that you were *only* sharing scripture and not your own interpretation, but the only problem with that point is you did insert your own interpretation, not just once, but twice. Also, cherry picking scripture in itself in response to a point shows your own interpretation, because you used only limited selections of scripture.
You also wrote: "Your thinking and argument is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective."
How do you and only you claim to know God's perspective? You just completely made up something not even in the Bible- that eve had relations with satan and had kids, which is totally outrageous and not found in the Bible- only in your own head.
Your claim was refuted by scripture. You used 4 references that you misinterpreted and I shared 9 scripture references that refuted your interpretation.
Scripture debunked your own claim. God bless...
Adam
In my post that you replied I only ask: What does the Word of GOD say?
I did not make any comment on Scriptures I quoted in my post, because Scriptures explains Scriptures. I work with the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. I do not know word more powerful than the Word of GOD.
GOD weigheth the spirits in balances. Your thinking and argument is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective. He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from above is above all, and what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth- John 3:v.31-32 .
Before or face the Word of GOD, the source you suggest for me to search is straw, it is insignificant, the witness of GOD is greater, understand? For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.
1 Cor.2:v.11 - What man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of GOD knoweth no man, but the Spirit of GOD. GOD has made ministers not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life.
According Proverbs 27:v.6, Faithful are the wounds of a friend or of the one who loves, than the kisses of the one who uses deceit.
James 5:v.19-20KJV
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
1Peter 4:v.17-18KJV
17 For the time is come that Judgment must begin at the house of GOD: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen
Let it go. Stay in here and learn scripture and Truth. Truth is a person; Jesus.
"I am the Way, the Truth, the Life. No one comes to the Father, but by ME."
It appears your primary source from which you hinge your theory is Jude 1:6-7. I encourage you to search 'What is the strange flesh in Jude 1:7?' on GotQuestions website. They did a thorough breakdown of this which I agree with.
I think the strange flesh in verse 7 is the unnatural homosexual behavior that took place within Sodom and Gomorrah, not relations with angels. Of course there was a visit from 2 angels there that the men wanted to have relations with, but they didn't know they were angels. Genesis 6:2-4. HEBREWS 13:2.
Secondly, the example of Jude 1:4-7 points out that God will punish those who disobey and deviate from God's plan for them.
Third, yes, the Bible has metaphors. Example: John 6:56. Eat flesh and drink blood. Have you literally given into cannibalism and eaten Jesus? And is that what it means? No, it's a metaphor. The bread symbolized it. Isaiah 64:8 - are you literally clay? Ezekiel 34:31 - are we a flock of sheep? Here's a simile: Matthew 10:16. 'as' sheep, 'as' serpents, 'as' wolves, which explains it's symbolic. So, when Jesus or God called humans satan were they actually satan or acting like satan? Jesus called Peter satan: Matthew 4:1. So, does that mean Peter was acting like satan or WAS satan? If he literally was satan why then did Jesus forgive him? Peter said he loved Jesus 3 times. Does satan love Jesus?
The other 2 verses you posted seem to serve confirmation bias for your theory, as they are general and are only used to reinforce the original misinterpretation.
God bless...
What does the Word of GOD say?
There was a multitude of angels in the Garden of Eden and there was also a ruler in Eden, a Cherub. They all rebelled against GOD - the Word is GOD - and they corrupted themselves as is wwritten in Jude 1:v.6-7:
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate(celestial/spiritual estate), but left their own habitation (they left their celestial nature), he -GOD- hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment of this great Day. (the LORD's Day).
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner (IN LIKE MANNER OF THE ANGELS IN EDEN), giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE.
John the Apostle brings us a deep revelation: John 3:v.10-12
10 In this the children of GOD are manifest,and the children of the DEVIL:whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of GOD,neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning,that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain,who was of that wicked one(WHO WAS OF THE DEVIL, called SATAN),and slew his brother.And wherefore slew he him?Because his own works were evil,and his brother's righteous.
And JESUS said to the Jews: John 8:44-45
41 Ye do the deeds of your FATHER.Then said they to JESUS,We be not born of fornication;we have one Father,even GOD.
42 Jesus said unto them,If GOD were your FATHER,ye would love me:for I proceeded forth and came from GOD;neither came I of myself,but He sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech?even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your FATHER the DEVIL,and the lusts of your FATHER ye will do.He was a murderer from the beginning,and abode not in the truth,because there is no truth in him.When he speaketh a lie,he speaketh of his own:for he is a liar, and the father of it. Mat.23:33- Ye serpents,ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Part 2
More scripture on Jesus first coming ( Luke 3:1-6) Tiberius Caesar was emperor from 14-37 A.D. Pontius Pilate ruled from 26-36 A.D. so the fifteenth year of Tiberius would have been 29-31 A.D. start of John the Baptist ministry. Jesus was baptized, then Jesus went into the wilderness for forty days, tempted by Satan. Then His ministry started. They put John B in jail and later beheaded him. Not long after, in John 2, Jesus was in Cana of Galilee at the wedding and after in John 2:13, the Passover was at hand. This would place it just before spring of 29-31 A.D. maybe a month before the Passover.
( Daniel 9:26), "after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off". The 7 weeks, 49/48.3 years that are not counted. This was when the restoration and repairing of the walls, streets, and gates of the city of Jerusalem by Ezra and Nehemiah ( Nehemiah 2:8-17; 4:17). Troublous times when their enemies tried to stop the building ( Nehemiah 4:7) the first 7 weeks, 49 years, or 48.3 prophetical years of the prophecy. So, the main word here is after. The Messiah (Jesus) is cut off 7+62=69+3.5 years= 479.5 prophetical years with 3.5 years to go to 490 years 365-day years or 483 prophetical years
The other half of 9:26 tells us the people (Roman army) of the prince (Titus) "that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" 70 AD. Titus did not want to destroy the temple, he wanted to make it a Roman temple but the army (people) set it on fire and destroyed it.
( Daniel 9:27). Jesus was here 3.5 years confirming the covenant to the lost sheep of Israel. When Jesus was cut off (crucified) in the middle of the week, He caused the Levitical law sacrifices and oblations to cease, no more animal sacrifices would be accepted by God, Jesus said the worship of God will no longer be accepted at the temple ( John 4:19-24), and the veil rent in half, ( Matthew 23:31-38) covers the second half of verse 9:27.
RLW
Are you claiming that the Bible is wrong simply because you don't currently understand the genealogy?
That seems like quite a logical leap and most Bible readers would disagree with such an assumption. When something isn't understood is it normal to only focus on 1 verse, and disregard what dozens of scriptures consistently say?
The Bible clearly says Joseph became the husband of Mary. That is an undisputed fact as far as I'm concerned and says this in Matthew 1:20, Matthew 1:16, etc.
It sounds like the question is who was Joseph's father? Jacob or Heli? Luke 3:23 or Matthew 1:16.
It's evident that Joseph is Heli's son-in-law. In Jewish culture it is not unusual for the son in law to be referred to simply as the son of his father in law. This custom is used in other scriptures in the Bible too where calling someone a 'son' is an endearing term, especially son-in-law.
Also, the genealogy in Matthew wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list, but a subset. Luke gave the complete genealogy and traced Christ's lineage through Mary, while Matthew traced it through Joseph.
Rather than assuming everything we don't understand is an error and spreading this around like poison, wouldn't it seem prudent to first pray and ask God for wisdom for things you don't understand, research it further and ask open questions, before trying to discredit the Bible in public based on false assumptions. Just like the fake news we see in the media today, the corrections and retractions never get the full coverage as the original falsehoods, so just like here, people likely read your remarks and drew a negative conclusion in their heart based on a false assumption and that is really sad to see this especially on a Bible website where we should be seeking God to understand the truth, not spreading lies.
Just to reply to your question about Luke 3:23 & Matthew 1:16. The other verses in the OT I have no knowledge of.
As I have found this issue also and done some research and was lead to the answer. The generations from Babylon to Christ are to be fourteen as in Matthew 1:17. The way it is written is only thirteen if "Joseph", in Matthew 1:16, is Mary's "husband". First off we know something is up as the father of Joseph, Mary's husband, in Luke 3:23 is Heli. As that is his genealogy. In Matthew 1:16 it says it is Jacob.
In Matthew 1:16 what should be written is Jacob begat Joseph the "father" of Mary.
I don't know how this mix up happened as said it is only thirteen generations from Babylon to Christ as it is written. Which is wrong to the next verse. Changing "husband" to "father" makes the generations fourteen and in line with the next verse. Also we know Joseph's(Mary's husband) father is Heli not Jacob as stated.
One man had copies of original texts of "father" not "husband" for Matthew 1:16. In another language of coarse.
Hope that helps.
God Bless.
I hope this does not offend anyone. This prophecy that was given to Daniel, 70 weeks which is 70 7s = 490 years. This prophecy tells the exact year the Messiah (Jesus) arrives. ( Daniel 9:25) The 7 weeks + 3 score + 2 weeks = 69 weeks = 483 years leaving 1 week or 7 years that has been used with other verses in the Bible to create a theory about the end time.
In ( Luke 3:1-6) scripture tells us the year. Tiberius Caesar was emperor from 14-37 A.D. Pontius Pilate ruled from 26-36 A.D. so the fifteenth year of Tiberius would have been 29-31 A.D. start of John the Baptist ministry. This and the other Gospels are pretty clear with baptizing by John most likely in the fall, 40 days in the wilderness, choosing his disciples, the wedding with the wine and the first of three Passovers and his crucifixion at the third, placing it in the middle, 3 years into the 70th week.
Plain and simple math shows us if Jesus appeared in 69 weeks from the going forth of the commandment and He was cut off, crucified 3 years later that is in the middle of the 70th week. So, can you use this week at the end time? I will not post on Daniel 9:27, that will be too long, but hopefully what I have written will help your study. I made a post about what was determined in this prophecy yesterday. It has scripture you can read and decide for your own conscience the truth.
May the Holy Spirit guide your study.
RLW
Just a couple verses to note for you with Salvation of the Lord:
Jonah 2:9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.
Luke 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Acts 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Hebrews 5:7-9 Who in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him that was able to save Him from death, and was heard in that He feared;
Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered;
And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him;
2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Have a wonderful Blessed day Lauren.
john 12:37-40 therefore they could not believe, because esaias (god's words on his tongue) saith .....
luke 22:67 art thou the christ? tell us. and he said (god's word's) unto them, if i tell you, ye will not believe.
these words came out of god's mouth and god said his words would not return unto him void.
isaiah 55:11
philippians 1:9 for unto you it is given in the behalf of christ, not only to believe on him ....
no one can believe unless god's causes them to believe.
john 6:29 .....this is the work of god, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent....
2 thessalonians 2:11 and for this cause (unbelief) god shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
2 timothy 2:13 if we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
luke 3:13 ... exact no more than that which is appointed to you.
jeremiah 46:17 ....pharaoh king of egypt, is but a noise; he hath passed the time appointed.
psalms 102:20 to hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those appointed to death.
job 23 :14 for he performeth the thing that is appointed for me.....
1 peter 2:8 a stone of stumbling, a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient, whereunto they were also appointed.
there but by the grace of god, go i.
I don't think I've posted this before but it is important and I just feel to state it to help others.
What came to me a while ago was that the generations from entering Babylon to Christ is supposed to be fourteen generations as per Matthew 1:17. When you count the three steps of fourteen generations starting from Abraham the first two are fourteen and the last one to Christ is only thirteen. It has been known some Jewish people use this to discredit Jesus of Nazareth being the Christ.
After looking into this the answer was brought to light by a man who studied this. When we get to Matthew 1:16 we see "Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary". This is where this genealogy fails as the break between Jacob and Mary. We know this is not correct as the genealogy of Joseph the carpenter, husband of Mary, is in Luke 3:23. The father of Joseph is Heli not Jacob. The answer was found in original Scriptures of Matthew which was the only one of the four Gospels to be written in Hebrew. The word "husband" used in Matthew 1:16 is incorrect. As he had pictures of the Scriptures. It is the "father" of Mary. As Joseph was a normal name that her father and husband shared. Which in turn links the genealogy back up and makes it fourteen generations as it should be.
Again, I just felt to post this as to me it is important for us to know this. As the way it is written people can use it as a weapon against Jesus Christ.
Hopefully I have brought this to light for some as others may already know this.
God Bless.
Luke 3:36-38
Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem which was the son of Noe, Which was the son of Mathusula, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Jesus was never "fully God & fully man" (that term is not found in scripture)
The man Christ Jesus is called the Christ, because he was annointed with the holy Spirit of his Father. This is the definition of the word; Christ - the annointed one.
When was he annointed? :
Luke 3:22
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
This is when the fulness of the Godhead (God the Father who is the Holy Spirit - John 4:24/ Leviticus 11:44) began to dwell in the body of His Son ( Colossians 2:9).
Not at His birth.
Yes, Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit (God the Father)-( Matthew 1:18) in the womb of a virgin.
But the Holy Spirit (God) did not begin to dwell in His Son until His baptism by John in the Jordan.. and only then did Jesus begin His 3.5 year ministry of miracles signs and wonders.
This is not my opinion, this is what the scripture declares.
That's the first half of being born of water & Spirit Jesus spoke of in John 3:5 necessary to enter into the kingdom.
As to Christ being the Word, that is a lie from the pit of hell to get people to believe in a "pre-incarnate Christ" and a "trinity" (words not found in the Holy Scriptures), so that they don't know the Son of God, and He will tell them, "depart from me I never knew you" as you referenced in Matthew 7.
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Amen. How did God create everything? By His word. It doesn't say "and the word was Christ."
And the word was made flesh ( John 1:14).
God was manifest in the flesh ( 1 Tim 3:16)
Amen.
When was God manifest in the flesh?
Luke 3:22
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Amen.
When the Holy Spirit (God) descended upon and began to dwell in His Son, God was manifest in the flesh, and then Jesus began his 3.5 year ministry of miracles signs and wonders.
Which brings us to the root of our conversation. Murmuring or babbling (i.e. sha la la ba ba like you can hear in some "pentecostal/apostolic" churches) is not evidence of having received the Holy Ghost. However, as I said; the fake tongues do not invalidate the real thing. The Book of Acts shows forth that anytime someone received the Holy Ghost they spoke in another tongue (be it of men or angels). If you can show me, from the scriptures, an instance that someone received the Holy Ghost by "feeling peace" then I will gladly stand corrected, but I have not found any such scripture. I wouldn't trust a "personal experience" over what the word of God says.
Isaiah 55:1
Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
From the very beginning in the bible, water separates or divides from something: Genesis 1: 6, 7.
When God set apart people for himself, he used water to separate you from something to bring you into something else.
In the old testament, Moses and the priest had to wash with water to be sanctified for service.
Want to show how many scriptures(not all) are showing how important baptism is!
Ezekiel 36: 24 - 27:
God takes the unclean, sprinkles clean water on them, and they shall be clean. Puts his Spirit in them and calls them his people!
New Testament:
John the Baptist baptized with water, also baptized Jesus that the scriptures would be fullfilled:
Matthew 3: 11, 16.
John 1: 26 - 33.
Luke 3: 16, 21.
Matthew 28:19:
Teach all nations to baptize in Jesus name.
Mark 16:16:
He that believes and is baptized shall be saved.
Luke 24: 47 - 49:
Beginning at Jerusalem, repentance and water baptism(remission of sins) preached in Jesus name among all nations.
John 3: 5 - 7:
Jesus taught you must be born again of water(baptism) and Spirit.
John 13:10:
Jesus washed his disciple's feet with water, calling them clean.
John 19:34:
Jesus dead on the cross; soldier pierced his side, out came BLOOD and WATER.
Note:
1 John 5: 6, 8:
Jesus came by WATER and BLOOD.
There are 3 that bear witness in the earth: Spirit, water, and blood. These 3 agree in one.
One what? - One new birth.
Continued next text.
Acts 2:38:
Baptized in water for remission of sins to be saved. Jews first, then gentiles.
Note:
2: 41:
3000 souls were baptized to be obedient.
Acts 8: 36 - 39:
Philip baptized eunuch in water.
Acts 9:18:
Apostle Paul is baptized.
Acts 10: 47, 48:
Peter baptized Cornelius and his family.
Acts 18: 8:
Chief ruler of synagogue believed on the Lord(many with him) got baptized.
Acts 19: 1 - 6:
Paul baptized certain disciples in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Continue to water baptism part 2.
From the very beginning in the bible, water separates or divides from something: Genesis 1: 6, 7.
When God set apart people for himself, he used water to separate you from something to bring you into something else.
In the old testament, Moses and the priest had to wash with water to be sanctified for service.
Want to show how many scriptures(not all) are showing how important baptism is!
Ezekiel 36: 24 - 27:
God takes the unclean, sprinkles clean water on them, and they shall be clean. Puts his Spirit in them and calls them his people!
New Testament:
John the Baptist baptized with water, also baptized Jesus that the scriptures would be fullfilled:
Matthew 3: 11, 16.
John 1: 26 - 33.
Luke 3: 16, 21.
Matthew 28:19:
Teach all nations to baptize in Jesus name.
Mark 16:16:
He that believes and is baptized shall be saved.
Luke 24: 47 - 49:
Beginning at Jerusalem, repentance and water baptism(remission of sins) preached in Jesus name among all nations.
John 3: 5 - 7:
Jesus taught you must be born again of water(baptism) and Spirit.
John 13:10:
Jesus washed his disciple's feet with water, calling them clean.
John 19:34:
Jesus dead on the cross; soldier pierced his side, out came BLOOD and WATER.
Note:
1 John 5: 6, 8:
Jesus came by WATER and BLOOD.
There are 3 that bear witness in the earth: Spirit, water, and blood. These 3 agree in one.
One what? - One new birth.
Continued next text.